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Mars Rover Spirit May Never Wake From Deep Sleep

astroengine writes "After repeated calls from NASA to wake up Mars Exploration Rover Spirit from its low-energy hibernation mode, mission control is beginning to realize the ill-fated robot may never wake up again. After getting stuck in a sand trap in Gusev Crater and then switching into hibernation in March, rover operators were hopeful that the beached Spirit might yet be saved. Alas, this is looking more and more unlikely. In a statement, NASA said: 'Based on models of Mars' weather and its effect on available power, mission managers believe that if Spirit responds, it most likely will be in the next few months. However, there is a very distinct possibility Spirit may never respond.'" Related xkcd strip, in case the headline wasn't anthropomorphic enough for you.

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  1. On the bright side... by Titoxd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Those were the longest 90 days ever. Good job to everyone all around, although I imagine it will be a bit weird for the rover team to all of a sudden not have a rover to take care of...

    1. Re:On the bright side... by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      As it turns out, declining the Mars endorsement on their AAA coverage was a fatal mistake.

    2. Re:On the bright side... by tkdog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, "ill fated" indeed. How about "amazingly resilient and long lived" instead? These two missions have been amazing, lasting well beyond what they could have possibly hoped for at launch.

  2. Well, just send the sys admin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    He can go reboot it, right? I know it is the weekend, but it's obviously part of his job duties.

    1. Re:Well, just send the sys admin by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Funny

      Seriously, why don't we just send a guy to give the rover a push?

      The technology is there, that we don't send a man there is just a matter of politics.

      And, one of better plans I heard was to send a crew there with an one- way ticket (initially). For any multi-stage flights, the amount of gear, fuel and complexity rises expotentially with the number of stages: every stage has to include the oomph needed to carry not only the payload, but also all the gear+consumables for subsequent stages. Cutting that number by half would reduce the costs and difficulty to a manageable level -- and, you can use the freed space to include a lot of survival and scientific gear and still end up at a tiny fraction of budget needed.

      The crew would sit there, play with their toys, and when they get bored, use 5000 years old technology to build things from local materials. A while later, there would be a next crew (or even an unmanned craft) with no survival gear but just the engines needed for takeoff and return -- it may be possible to produce fuel locally -- perhaps using nuclear power to produce energy for the reactions needed if it can't be gathered in an easy way. The second crew would either stay on Mars or go back together with the first one.

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  3. Or the onion article by Wolvenhaven · · Score: 5, Funny
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  4. This ought to be good. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm gonna sit back and watch a bunch of male geeks get all teary eyed about some robot.

    "Just my allergies, I hate summer".

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  5. RIP little buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sad that people are taking so little notice. The two rovers may be the greatest achievement of mankind to date. Lasting this long is beyond heroic. They may be robots but they have both shown a stubborn determination that is impressive for man or machine. He'll be missed and I think we all wish his brother well. They'll be decades going over the data generated but the two lonely robots, one now apparently sleeping for all time.

    1. Re:RIP little buddy by clarkkent09 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The two rovers may be the greatest achievement of mankind to date.

      I vote for curry as number one, that's easy. Then it gets a bit harder but I suspect there is a looong list of mankind's achievements ahead of a robot stuck on Mars.

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    2. Re:RIP little buddy by dtml-try+MyNick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wish I could mod you up 10 times.

      The majority of people haven't got the slightest idea that A: these robots even exist and B: even if they do what kind of achievement it is.
      The scale and precision of this operation is mindboggling.

      The distances, the numerous variables and sensitivities involved is something that I, as just a layman, can't even begin to comprehend.

      But I can sit back, read and watch about it and for once be proud of the human race. Be in awe what good and positive things, however hard they might be, we as humans can accomplish if we really set our minds to it.

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    3. Re:RIP little buddy by nacturation · · Score: 4, Informative

      The two rovers may be the greatest achievement of mankind to date. Lasting this long is beyond heroic. They may be robots but they have both shown a stubborn determination that is impressive for man or machine.

      Speaking of which: http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/

      "On June 28, 2010, Voyager 2 completed 12,000 days of continuous operations since its launch on August 20, 1977. For nearly 33 years, the venerable spacecraft has been returning unprecedented data about the giant outer planets, the properties of the solar wind between and beyond the planets and the interaction of the solar wind with interstellar winds in the heliosheath. Having traveled more than 21 billion kilometers on its winding path through the planets toward interstellar space, the spacecraft is now nearly 14 billion kilometers from the sun. Traveling at the speed of light, a signal from the ground takes about 12.8 hours to reach the spacecraft."

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    4. Re:RIP little buddy by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sad that people are taking so little notice. The two rovers may be the greatest achievement of mankind to date. Lasting this long is beyond heroic. They may be robots but they have both shown a stubborn determination that is impressive for man or machine. He'll be missed and I think we all wish his brother well. They'll be decades going over the data generated but the two lonely robots, one now apparently sleeping for all time.

      If we restrict our attention to space matters, the Apollo program was a greater achievement. If we don't restrict our attention at all, then there are a vast number of greater achievements, for example, the creation of the US university system or modern public sanitation. Also the attention the rovers receive is quite adequate. For example, there are a large number of stories on Slashdot about them.

      I'm being a killjoy here because I think we need to keep things in context. The MER project has been very popular and performed well above official expectations. However, it's worth remembering that we have in the past done a lot more. It doesn't have to be manned exploration, but there's a lot more that humanity could be doing with respect to Mars than token science missions every couple of years.

    5. Re:RIP little buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "The majority of people haven't got the slightest idea that A: these robots even exist and B: even if they do what kind of achievement it is."

      I wouldn't have believed that a couple of months ago, but I recently went back home to visit family and attend a high school reunion. When people asked where I was working I would tell them the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, feeling that just saying JPL would be a little presumptuous. Quite often I would get a blank look even at that. Then I'd say "NASA," which seemed to help. Then I'd say that probably our most well known mission would be the two rovers we currently have on Mars. More blank looks.

      Not that I blame them. It's just that I overestimated the popular knowledge factor of the rovers.

  6. I should have such ill-fate by sphealey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > "After repeated calls from NASA to wake up Mars Exploration Rover
    > Spirit from its low-energy hibernation mode, mission control is beginning
    > to realize the ill-fated robot may never wake up again.

    I would wish to have such ill-fate as exceeding my predicted lifetime by a factor of 10x and accomplishing 20x more than believed possible within that lifetime.

    sPh

    1. Re:I should have such ill-fate by countertrolling · · Score: 2

      A pessimist is never disappointed..

      I do believe the 90 days was the minimum expected lifetime...

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  7. "ill-fated?" by Joehonkie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think "ill-fated" is a term you would use for something that performed far beyond expectations.

    1. Re:"ill-fated?" by jd · · Score: 2, Informative

      One of the biggest problems with any such mission is the radiation levels. Even space-hardened chips can't survive indefinitely, Mars offers no serious protection and a Rover can't carry a whole lot of shielding. Another problem, peculiar to Mars, is its infamous dust devils - which, if I understand correctly, are about the size of Earthly hurricanes and pack the punch of a tornado crossed with a sandblaster.

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  8. Re:Awwwww... by Dee+Ann_1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It ~did~ make me cry...

  9. Re:Awwwww... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For that reason, one of the best XKCD strips ever. Not every comic is gold, but this one is pure gold on a number of levels.

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  10. Die in my sleep by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can't think of a better way to go...

    R.I.P.

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    1. Re:Die in my sleep by KlaymenDK · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I die, I'd like to go peacefully in my sleep, like grandpa.

      Not screaming and panicking, like his passengers. (badum-tish)

  11. Human nature by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was involved with this project when the rovers where still being built. When you build or are otherwise involved in something you really believe in like this you can't help anthropomorphizing them.

    To most its just a machine, a worthless hunk of metal, but to those who put there hearts and souls into this program those rovers are almost as precious as children. Its part of human nature to imbue objects with an identity, a soul, just look at how people treat cars, plans, boats, etc..

    Sprite and Opportunity carried more than just a bunch of electronics to Mars, they carried the dreams and hopes of all those who choose join it in its journey.

    To those, like myself, who consider the rovers to be more than the sum of their parts it will be a very sad day when Sprite is officially listed as dead. And to those who would laugh at us because they can't care for anything beyond themselves or limit their love to only humans, I pity you.

    1. Re:Human nature by _Stryker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ummm, isn't it named Spirit, not Sprite? Are you sure you were really involved with this project when they were "still being built"?

    2. Re:Human nature by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apparently you weren't there when they renamed the rovers after the soft-drink advertising fell through. Someone managed to save costs though and only redo the lettering just a little bit.

    3. Re:Human nature by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 3, Funny

      Whoops! My bad.

      I am going to get (deservedly) ripped for this aren't I?

      I plead diminished capacity, I was only on my first cup of coffee.

    4. Re:Human nature by E-Sabbath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One day, it will wake up again. We just need to get physical access. I say we build a museum around each of them.

  12. Sigh! by camperdave · · Score: 3, Informative

    Spirit isn't stuck in the sand. It's hung up on a rock. The wheels cannot get any traction.

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    1. Re:Sigh! by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Informative

      Spirit isn't stuck in the sand. It's hung up on a rock. The wheels cannot get any traction.

      Partly right, partly wrong. She's hung up on a rock because she got stuck in stand - and attempts to drive out only dug her in deeper until she became hung up on a rock.

  13. Disney|PIXAR by MadGeek007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like a plot for a Disney|PIXAR movie. WALL-E meets Sleeping Beauty?

  14. Forgive me by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have you tried turning it off and on again?

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    1. Re:Forgive me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yah, but now there are 100's of nudes of spirit on the net. Stupid Dell Support.

  15. Re:It was inevitable. by nschubach · · Score: 3, Funny

    Those Martians never stood a chance.

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  16. the re-write by ChipMonk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone re-captioned it, and Randall Munroe is hosting it.

    I think they both work.

  17. Re:It was inevitable. by oddaddresstrap · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If only all NASA missions were this successful
    If they were all successful, it would mean we weren't pushing the envelope, weren't making mistakes and weren't learning from them.

  18. Re:reasoning for wheels by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was software. But I did ask someone about that when I was at JPL a few months before they arrived on another job.

    In short; to use treads you already have to have wheels. Wheels are more reliable, less total moving parts and are lighter. If a rock or enough sand were to get between the drive wheel and tread it disables the tread. On Earth a tank has the horse power and a crew to deal with it. Ever notice how even modern tanks always carry extra tread links with them?

    Tread probably would have prevented Spirit from getting stuck in the sand trap it's in now, but they would have also ended the mission at a much earlier date. Don't forget that Spirit had been dragging one of its wheels even before it became stuck in the sand.

  19. Re:Awwwww... by v1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hope one day someone can go rescue all these poor little waifs

    Wasn't it in Total Recall where one of the shots zoomed past one of the rovers on Mars on its way to zoom in on one of the complexes there... complete with a plaque or something beside it?

    I'd think if we ever were going to go to mars and bring back samples etc, that thing deserves some space in the trunk. I'd love to see it in a museum here, it's so much more than just history.

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  20. Grr, both summary and story are misleading by ScottMaxwell · · Score: 5, Informative

    We never particularly expected to hear from Spirit before this coming October +/- 1 month, making the suggestion that we're "beginning to realize she might never wake up again" more than a little misleading. According to our best models, the energy levels on Mars are just barely reaching the point where Spirit might wake up for even a few minutes a day, and hearing anything from her at this point would be a great stroke of luck. Have patience. She's there.

    I understand that NASA is trying to manage expectations, but their way of doing it is bad management that needlessly demoralizes the team. My own personal expectation is that we damn well will hear from Spirit, and after a certain recovery period she'll be moving on Mars again.

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