RIM's Encryption 'Too Secure' For Indian Government's Taste
climenole writes "Research in Motion, the creator of the widely used enterprise-cum-consumer BlackBerry device, has an uncertain position in India. The Indian government's internal security and intelligence services cannot break the encryption of the device, which makes countering terror threats and national security matters difficult — especially for a region which faces constant threats and attacks from domestic Maoist insurgents and extremist Islamic groups." Does it make you wonder how much safer everyone would be if parkas, mailing envelopes, cash, and superglue were all evaluated on the same basis?
What about sending email with GnuPG?
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So they don't care.
Wow, I haven't seen a dupe this bad in a long time. The story is still on the front page. Add to it the story of being detained at the border, Verizon changing router passwords, and the hacker tapping phones for $1500, and today is privacy Sunday, eh guys?
Qxe4
How can we can keep private, secure communications from being blocked?
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While perhaps commendable for its honestly, a policy of implying that concern for individual privacy is a "left-wing bias" is arguably not the best of strategies...
The problem is that, when wide snooping infrastructures are in place, organizations other than the native government learn to listen in.
Remember the Greek phone-tapping fiasco?
What's the matter, are you an Indian-government apologist, or something? The title summarizes exactly what the Indian government wants.
It's not left-wing, either: neither the right nor the left in America wants the government to control communications (I'm not talking about congress people, of course).
Qxe4
That doesn't make it okay.
That Anonymous Coward guy is pretty annoying. Can we have the government censor him or something?
Try Fox News.
It's fair and balanced, with non of the media's liberal bias.
There is no clear cut solution to this. On the one hand people want privacy for their communications and they don't want people or the government being able to read what they are sending. On the other hand, the Indian government also has to worry about extremist threats from many groups based inside the country against the government and its people. Intercepted information from known or suspected terrorists could be used to prevent attacks if the government can decrypt it. If the blackberry has an encryption that the government is capable of breaking, then the people won't be happy because they will worry about the government listening in. Then of course if extremists use the blackberry with RIM's encryption to send information and plan and launch an attack and kill tons of innocent people, then the people be pissed about how they government should have been able to prevent this. Its not a right or wrong answer as to how to go about this I doubt there will ever be a solution where both sides can be happy, where the government can protect its people from extremist attacks and the people can have their privacy as well.
Unfortunately, the smart extremists will keep away from communications methods the government can monitor. India's government basically just publicly told terrorist groups that if they want to safely organize a bombing or assassination, they should use a Blackberry.
That Anonymous Coward guy is pretty annoying. Can we have the government censor him or something?
Well it certainly is not a right wing bias!
In actual fact, possly no unnacountable, large and secretive organisation is 100% keen on individual privacy. Corporates are much better at lying about it though. They are less bothered by FOI requests.
I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
Am I really the first to point this out? The proper word there is "cum", not "come". Come on, people! Latin!
-David
India wants a RIM NOC in their country like the Chinese got.
"The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money" - Thatcher.
Is that the very secure nature of the Blackberrys is precisely why the US government loves the things so much. They are RIM's biggest customer. They love all the security features BBs have, and love the Exchange integration.
I'm sure all terrorists use Blackberries. After all, it's a high-income job, right?
Boo-fucking-hoo.
Stay out of people's lives.
..to a server outside the country.
Or is it that most people when using other smartphones don't know or just don't bother to use the SSL versions of these services.
Any communications product, vendor, or service that can't be backdoored by government(s) will be banned.
Dude, where's my packet?
You are ignorant my dear friend...
Your emails, messages and communications are regularly analyzed by DOD for keywords. You won't even realize the amount of money and effort US agencies spend on network analysis, and the amount of funding available for such projects.
What disses me off is so much hypocrisy by American companies. They would co-operate with US federal agencies and provide the required data discretely, but would keep cribbing when other agencies ask for the same.
You won't even realize the amount of money and effort US agencies spend on network analysis, and the amount of funding available for such projects.
That is true, I don't realize the amount of money and effort US agencies spend on this stuff. Do you have numbers, or are you just making stuff up?
Qxe4
Try Fox News.
It's fair and balanced, with none of reality's liberal bias.
FTFY
It is an Indian English issue.
"Tea Boy cum Houseboy cum cleaner wanted"
"My head is paining me" 'pain' used as a verb
"he is not lifting the instrument" 'He is not answering the phone"
2 BHK flat wanted 'BHK' = bedroom + hall + kitchen
Organization: alphabetical, sometimes numerical or messy
Indian government have been trying to find a solution for this for last 2 years with BB. Now there is urgency as BB has set up infra in China and all Indian calls will be routed via this infra. I am all for privacy but I will prefer Indian govt snooping on my data rather than china. And, as others have said, there is a legitimate requirement for Indian Govt to monitor all communications.
Does it make you wonder how much safer everyone would be if parkas, mailing envelopes, cash, and superglue were all evaluated on the same basis?
Well, before they start messing with things like parkas, I hope they take a moment to remember Why Raincoats are Yellow...
You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
> That is true, I don't realize the amount of money and effort US agencies spend on this stuff. Do you have numbers, or are you just making stuff up?
- DARPA grants from their tactical and strategic technology offices alone exceeded $40 million for network analysis related projects involving 8 universities. Data for these varies from emails to social network nodes.
- US military projects to IBM are worth above $100 million this year. A big fraction of these deals with data analysis.
- ONR sanctioned more than $10 million for analyzing networks
- US airport names screening heavily relies on mining information, and is a huge project.
- DOD, FBI and CIA all have initiated large projects dealing with network analysis.
Further, if you have to gauge the funding levels for network analysis check out the new faculty recruits in most big universities.
In America, Govt officials address you as Sir.
In India, you've to address Govt officials as Sir.
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Well, India is in good company. It appears that the United Arab Emirates will ban Blackberries starting in October because the government can't eavesdrop through the encryption, and Saudi Arabia may do the same.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/infotech/hardware/BlackBerry-to-open-code-for-security-check/articleshow/6249666.cms
Btw, India is indeed in the right company. Things are no different for US.
If your point is what about other encryption services (including GPG, PGP, TrulyMail, etc.) then you are right. There is nothing someone can do to prevent EVERY way of keeping messages private. The fact that RIM is talking about (or has already) given the keys to the kingdom to some governments clearly shows that they *can* knock off some tools, but not all of them. If your point is only for GPG than I agree with JSlope that it is way too difficult for the non-technical user to configure. Luckily, there are other tools which are much easier to setup and use.