Slashdot Mirror


Android Outsells iPhone In Last 6 Months

tomhudson writes "Despite all the hype about Apple's latest iPhone, Android has sold more in the last 6 months (27% of all smartphone sales) than Apple (23%). The gains for Android are coming at the expense of RIM (still #1 at 33%, down from 45% a year ago), Windows Mobile (11%, down from 20%) and the iPhone (down from 34% at it's peak 6 months ago). If the current trend continues, Android is expected to be #1 within the year."

37 of 514 comments (clear)

  1. Already #1 in the US market by SilentSage · · Score: 5, Informative

    Boy Genius and Engadget are circulating a report that says that Android has already overtaken Apple and RIM in the US. Android devices collectively represented a 34% share of the US market in the quarter, and with growth of 851% Android became the largest smart phone platform in the country.

    1. Re:Already #1 in the US market by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot of that has to do with the fact that Nokia doesn't ship their best phones to the US. And really it's been a recent phenomenon for any good phones to make it to the US. Admittedly, that's largely because it's much more common in other parts of the world for people to have multiple phones or be willing to put up with beta gadgets.

      The smartphone market in the US is consequently just starting to get going. And it shouldn't be shocking that Android with it's increasingly diverse set of options would be overtaking the iPhone and it's limited selection.

    2. Re:Already #1 in the US market by mark72005 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One reason is that there are many more Android devices out there than anything else.

      Blackberry has what, 4 current lines. iPhone only has one, most of the time. There are numerous Android phones on every carrier, pretty much.

      And even people who want the iPhone can't get the latest one without spending a month on a waiting list, or I think their numbers would be higher. (Though this applies to Android in some devices like the Droid X or the HTC EVO).

      It's most telling that Palm is flatlining and Windows Mobile has lost half of its already meager market share in the past year.

    3. Re:Already #1 in the US market by unix1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Notes:

      - numbers are for new devices only (not total market share)
      - does not include iPhone 4 - not a lot of people would buy an iPhone 3 in Q2 when new model was expected shortly

      More interesting will be Q2 and Q3 totals combined when Q3 numbers are available. Then put BB6 and WP7 in the mix by year's end and it will get really interesting.

    4. Re:Already #1 in the US market by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IN THE QUARTER. In the quarter. It's the biggest platform IN THE QUARTER.

      Rather than admonishing other people to read your links, please read the story that you're talking about. They haven't caught up to anyone yet, they're just selling faster.

      Ignore the 851% figure because it's meaningless. If I sell 1 phone in my first quarter and TEN phones in my second quarter, that's a growth of 1000% per quarter! All it tells us is that Android didn't have much market penetration before and it's up now.

      In the end, this isn't news. There are MANY manufacturers using Android as a platform and only Apple using iOS as a platform. Apple is tied to the most hated major network in America, and Android isn't. The actual question is 'what took them so dang long?'

    5. Re:Already #1 in the US market by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Eh? Android does support ActiveSync. It just that prior to 2.2, it didn't enforce all the corporate security policies of ActiveSync. See Feature Enhancement Request 4475 and see this article for a summary of related changes in 2.2.

      2.2 seems to address most of the password/security policy issues with ActiveSync. I have 2.2 running on my Nexus One, but don't use Exchange server, so can't comment here.

      For Droid owners, the update to 2.2 is supposed to come out officially this week, though I'm pretty sure there are unofficial 2.2 ROMs out there already. So basically, what you are talking about is no longer an issue, or at least not a particularly significant one.

    6. Re:Already #1 in the US market by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > It's most telling that Palm is flatlining and Windows Mobile has lost half of its already
      > meager market share in the past year.

      Are you counting people who own phones that were sold with Windows Mobile, but are now running Android (like the HTC Touch HD2)? The HD2 debacle will go down in tech history as one of Microsoft's worst marketing/business decisions in history. Here's a phone that was eagerly embraced by Microsoft's few remaining enthusiasts, even as their friends and peers ran for the door marked "Android", only to get its owners metaphorically kicked in the balls by Microsoft on what was probably the lamest pretense for non-compatibility *ever* (it had four buttons instead of three).

      Microsoft could hardly have done a better job of driving its few remaining friends into the Android camp if they'd personally rebranded MSDN as an Android portal & given a free Nexus One to everybody who attended a Microsoft event in 2010.

    7. Re:Already #1 in the US market by bonch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sure people in the comments will conveniently ignore those facts, especially the one about not including iPhone 4 sales. Many analysts say the iPhone 4 leak hampered 3GS sales because customers were waiting for the new model. Also, it's bizarre to be comparing an OS to one device. It's more accurate to compare Android to iOS, which would then include the iPad.

      iPhone 4 + iPad = more than Android, sorry.

    8. Re:Already #1 in the US market by sznupi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...but then ignoring non-phone Android devices is fine?

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
    9. Re:Already #1 in the US market by mlts · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, none of the big names ship their best phones to the US, sadly enough, except for Apple. One can just look at the phones offered in markets like South Korea or Japan to see what should be here in the US. Those places, there is actual broadcast TV that people can easily watch (without being dependent on the data bandwidth.)

      Until Apple came out with the iPhone and woke people up in the US, when I showed them what a smartphone was able to do, the response was mainly, "who cares about Bluetooth or E-mail. I just want a phone that is thin and makes calls. Any more and that is what a laptop is for." Ironic how things change. It wasn't that long ago when everyone was lusting after RAZR models and people with smartphones were either geeks or corporate execs.

    10. Re:Already #1 in the US market by unix1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's more accurate to compare Android to iOS, which would then include the iPad.

      No, it's a valid comparison - the category is smartphone OS market share, which is a perfectly valid and meaningful category.

    11. Re:Already #1 in the US market by DJRumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That was exactly my point and Windows vs. Mac is a good example. This is about as relevant as saying that Windows sells more OS in a quater than Mac. It's just kind of a 'duh' statement. Although Apple is extremely popular in the smartphone segment, they are only a single company. They can't hope to compete with every other smartphone vendor releasing an Android phone.

      This would be significant if it was a 'Droid X outsells iPhone' headline. Instead, they are grouping a slew of hardware models together into one big group who happen to all use the same base OS, and then comparing them to a handset that only comes on a single piece of hardware from a single vendor.

    12. Re:Already #1 in the US market by vipw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point of market share reports isn't like a sporting even where you cheer for your favorite team (fanboyism), but to help people understand the big picture of what is happening in the market.

      For example: I need to migrate an enterprise application to a handheld computer platform, and this report makes me think I should start hiring engineers with knowledge of android instead of iOS or Windows Mobile developers.

    13. Re:Already #1 in the US market by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      true that the Android platform is becoming dominant. But it is interesting (admirable?) that the iPhones are still by far the most popular smartphone devices.

      Great for Android/Google/HTC/Motorola/Samsung, but certainly nothing to worry about for Apple.

      And Apple may be the biggest individual seller of desktop computers (it was for a while, ISTR, don't know if that's still true) but the fact that MacOS has far less penetration than Windows means that MacOS is far less attractive for many application developers.

      If the same thing happens with the mobile space, it will make native iOS apps less attractive to developers than other choices. Which has a feedback effect, as the decrease in iPhone-specific apps will reduce the incentive to buy into the platform for the apps.

    14. Re:Already #1 in the US market by Liquidrage · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In one corner you have Apple+ATT, and in the other Motorola + HTC + Samsung + LG + (like 10 other smaller manufactures) + Google + Verizon + Tmobile + Spint/Nextel + (like 10 other smaller carriers)

      That's just not a winning fight for Apple. And even if they added other carries, the other carries are already selling the other devices. Apple's 1.5 product releases a year won't keep up. The installed user base won't keep up. The innovation won't keep up. I'll be honest, people keep talking about an iPhone on Verizon. I just don't see it happening. Verizon seems to be doing pretty good with Android right now.

      So why it's not a valid comparison or whether it is or not, doesn't matter. The end game right now is bad for apple.

  2. After almost 20 years by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Turns out Linux doesn't suck and it is good for something mainstream after all. I still haven't seen the real "year of the Linux desktop" but Android has already given us a year of the Linux phone, and we barely even realized it.

    --
    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    1. Re:After almost 20 years by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You may consider putting your hopes into MeeGo with this. It's planned to be an OS that will function in both netbooks (and notebooks) and smartphones, and just might smuggle linux onto desktop through the back door.

      Or at least get it decent games and applications finally making it a worthy opponent of windows, rather then one that is constantly playing catch up, and never having any good games supported natively.

    2. Re:After almost 20 years by Microlith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, how dare we prefer an OS on our mobile devices that shares technologies and toolkits with our desktop instead of a unique, incompatible Java implementation from a single source.

  3. Higher demand after iPhone 4 release in Q3 by Xemu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The numbers for the iPhone are of course going to reflect that the apple crowd has been holding off and waited for the new generation iPhone 4. The numbers for Q3 will be more interesting.

    And then again, who cares, it's just a phone.

    --
    Tell your friends about xenu.net
    1. Re:Higher demand after iPhone 4 release in Q3 by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not just a phone. It is determining how portable device will be used by the mainstream. Locked down, or open? The ability to load your own music and ring tones, and app, or only loading what you are allowed ..at a price, of course.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:Higher demand after iPhone 4 release in Q3 by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And how many non-geeks really care about such a thing?

      You do realize that you're posting it on a website titled "news for nerds", right?

      Anyway, which model dominates does affect you as a geek, because it defines how much you will have to shell out for an open phone, how many applications will there be for it, etc.

  4. Not to trivialize these facts... by dingen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...but hasn't the iPhone sales been slow the past 6 months due to anticipation for the new model coming out last month?

    --
    Pretty good is actually pretty bad.
  5. If this trend continues... by BorkBorkBork6000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this trend continues, Android will have 100% of the market in just over 8 years!

    I love linear extrapolation.

    1. Re:If this trend continues... by Kitkoan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Is there any single phone model that is selling as well as the iPhone these days?

      Last year the Motorola Droid was selling more then the iPhone 3GS... and now with the Droid X coming out it's quite possible that it can outsell the iPhone 4...

      --
      Attention... all grammer nazi"s! Is they're anything; wrong with: my post,
  6. I wonder how much of this you can blame on AT& by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 3, Informative

    Or rather, the exclusivity deal between AT&T and Apple.

    Anecdote: I had lunch over the weekend with a friend who lives in a part of the country that AT&T doesn't cover at all. He and his wife had seen other peoples' iPhones while travelling outside of that area, and all things being equal, would have preferred to buy iPhones, but couldn't. (Yes, they could have bought one someplace else, sucking up a useless contract, jailbreaking, etc., but come on -- that's not a real option for most people.) They ended up getting Android phones instead.

    AT&T's commercials assert that it covers 97% of Americans, but if you live in or spend much time in one of the areas (more than 3% of the map) it doesn't cover, the iPhone loses by default even if Apple's marketing is successful.

  7. Yawn... by illumin8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yawn... These are sales from January to June - before the iPhone 4 was released. People were intentionally holding off purchases because they knew iPhone 4 was coming out. Wake me up if they outsell iPhones for the next 6 months.

    --
    "When the president does it, that means it's not illegal." - Richard M. Nixon
    1. Re:Yawn... by ADRA · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IPhone_sales_per_quarter_simple.svg

      Yep, the market really cooled off in Q1/Q2 in bated anticipation...

      --
      Bye!
  8. Re:Bring tha hate, bring tha noise! by SerpentMage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am sorry, but this comparison is pretty crap.

    RIM = 1 company
    Apple = 1 company
    Android = oodles of companies...

    Its comparing apples to oranges here.

    Of course you do see that Android is doing well. Something that I expected and it will continue. This is why I question RIM's, Microsoft's and Nokia's sanity of trying to go against either Apple or Android.

    Though I wonder how long Android will do well. Here is the thing, people buy gadgets, but upgrade devices. With the iPhone 4 people upgraded. With RIM people upgraded. Nokia less so, and Android is an open question mark. I don't know either way and only time will tell.

    --

    "You can't make a race horse of a pig"
    "No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
  9. Re:Bring tha hate, bring tha noise! by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, the iPhone wasn't even close to being the #1 Smartphone in the US. That honor goes to Blackberry. So why compare to Apple? Ah, because it's cool to hate on Apple.

    Slightly different markets. People have Blackberries for business, mostly. iPhones and Android phones are more personal consumer use products.

    If we're going to ignore the business/personal distinction, then I'm going to hate on Macs for doing terribly in the business server market. You just can't win! :)

  10. Re:I wonder how this factors in... by crow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My employer-provided phone is an HTC EVO 4G (Android). I could have chosen a Blackberry or an iPhone (or even Windows Mobile). And I work for a large Fortune-500 company. Corporate America is opening up to the new options.

    (My company is large enough that they've outsourced the phone purchasing to some other company that specializes in it. I went to that company's web site, selected the phone that I wanted from the list that had been approved by our IT department, and they shipped it directly to me. All said, it seems like a very good system, especially compared to some of the other services that have been outsourced.)

    Android 2.2 is supposed to take Exchange integration a step further, letting corporate IT wipe the phone if it's reported as lost or stolen, as well as allowing corporate security policies to be enforced. So expect Android to compete even more heavily with Blackberry once 2.2 comes out.

  11. Re:Bring tha hate, bring tha noise! by GameMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's an excellent way to compare them. The strength of platforms like iPhoneOS, Android, WindowsCE, etc. is that you can run the same apps across all of the devices. The more devices there are out in the population, the more enticing it is for developers to develop for them. The more developers there are developing for a platform, the more decent quality apps there are, and the more decent quality apps there are the more people will want to buy into the platform. It's a cycle that accelerates at an increasing rate as the install base increases. It's what has made the Apple app store so successful up to this point and will work the same way for Android.

    --

    Rules of Conduct:
    #1 - The DM is always right.
    #2 - If the DM is wrong, see rule #1
  12. Re:I wonder how this factors in... by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Funny

    And I work for a large Fortune-500 company.

    Are there any small Fortune-500 companies? What definition of "small" covers, "we have annual revenues in excess of $4 billion"?

  13. Re:I wonder how much of this you can blame on AT&a by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the exclusivity with ATT hurts the market share.

    It's a shame that AT&T held a gun to Jobs head to force Apple to sign an exclusive agreement with them.

    And finally, when you have multiple HW manufacturers and multiple carriers it's seems that it would be easier to get a larger base established.

    And most important: multiple sources for applications.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
  14. Re:I wonder how much of this you can blame on AT&a by tagno25 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    AT&T's commercials assert that it covers 97% of Americans, but if you live in or spend much time in one of the areas (more than 3% of the map) it doesn't cover, the iPhone loses by default even if Apple's marketing is successful.

    97% population does not cover 97% land area, it probably is closer to 60% or less land area.

  15. Re:Bring tha hate, bring tha noise! by recoiledsnake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nonsense. Windows Mobile = oodles of companies and it still fails.

    --
    This space for rent.
  16. Re:What are you smoking? by bm_luethke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wrong.

    I have a Motorola droid. I plug a USB adapter into the phone and my computer, swipe the status bar down, and tell it to mount the SD card. I then get a removable drive on my PC. I opened my music directory, selected all my songs, right-clicked and selected copy. I then opened my SD card, created a directory called "music", and copied my MP3's there. Never once did I have any need to root my phone for that one so I can certainly load my own music and I do not need iTunes or some other application to get anything through, it is just a standard USB drive. Ring tones required an app from the Android market, I picked one called "Ringdroid" IIRC. I then can open any MP3 I have and one of the menu choices is "set as ringtone", if I press that choice it .... sets it as my ring tone. I still haven't rooted my phone at all. I can also check or uncheck a security feature that allows me to install unsigned applications, that still doesn't require root. So as far as I can see everything the person you are responding to says they can do one can regardless of what you may have heard.

    Some manufacturers do have some applications you can't remove - Android is Open Source and people are allowed to extend it in ways they see fit and that includes that. However Android itself doesn't. Some manufacturers have also chosen to require rooting for other common functions too - again it is Open Source so they can modify to their hearts content. There are people who want a phone with no "dangerous" options and are fairly locked down (as many iPhone users say they want to be) and Android can accomodate that - indeed Motorola's answer to signing ROM's on the Droid-X is "If you want an extensible phone, purchase a different model" for that very reason. Android itself is open and it isn't hard to find currently sold models that are near as "free" (as in speech) as the nexus one is.

    Maybe last you heard was from another Apple user that wishes Androids were not selling like they were? Or at the least you believed someone that was *very* misinformed and you should take what they say from now on with a large grain of skepticism as they were easily fooled.

    --
    ------- Sorry about the spelling, I suffer from two problems. Dyslexia makes it difficult to spell well, lazy makes it
  17. Re:A couple things by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Informative
    Seems you didn't go back to the source and read the article, since, as is common around here these days, the summary got it wrong again. Even CNN Money got it wrong, including with their correction. Their actual numbers have no mention of 20% anywhere. To quote Yankee Group's correction of their own data:

    So what is the right statistic for Android owners? The honest answer is that we don’t know. You’ll note in the excerpt above, we were careful to say “Google-branded Android phone owners”.

    The numbers actually ended up being that 77% of iPhone owners intend to purchase another iPhone for their next phone, one third of ALL smartphone owners plan to buy iPhones for their next phones, 36% of Google-branded Android owners (e.g. Nexus One) plan to buy an iPhone for their next, and 32% of Google-branded Android owners plan to buy an Android for their next phone.