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NSA and the National Cryptologic Museum

Schneier writes "Most people might not be aware of it, but there's a National Cryptologic Museum at Ft. Meade, at NSA Headquarters. It's hard to know its exact relationship with the NSA. Is it part of the NSA, or is it a separate organization? Can the NSA reclassify things in its archives?" There's some interesting stuff in the comments about the building's reason for existence (window views a nearby NSA building?) and some stuff they have (an Enigma machine!).

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  1. Went there last year by otis+wildflower · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Very cool museum, I think I even saw Brian Kernighan there talking to what looked like young VC types.. Here's some pics I snapped..

    http://www.thoughtcrime.com/NSA%20Museum/Site/NSA%20Museum%20visit.html

    We had a Storagetek silo like the one on display at my current corp, but spec'd out with LTO3 or LTO4.. I'm thinking NSA had one just like it but 10+ years earlier (and with older tape tech of course)..

    1. Re:Went there last year by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Informative

      I was in Kingson Ontario over the weekend and discovered the Military Communications and Electronics Museum on a Canadian forces base. Hadn't planned on going or even heard of the place before -- we just drove by and decided to stop. Among other things they had an Enigma machine.

      I would highly recommend stopping there if you happen to be in the area. Admission was free, though we opted to make a donation.

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    2. Re:Went there last year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only thing what was driving me nuts a a foreigner was the wording they used to describe everything:
      The Russians where always "spying" on America, the Americans where always doing "reconaisance" on Russia.

    3. Re:Went there last year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Canadian signals corps (don't recall the official name) is based in Kingston despite having a significant number of their staff posted to Ottawa.

    4. Re:Went there last year by capnchicken · · Score: 1

      Really cool pictures, glad I got to scroll through them all before probably gets slashdotted, I'm definitely going to visit now. Seems like a lot of Museums have enigma machines it's cool to see that they have three different types there, along with a lot of cool 80's type spy gear.

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    5. Re:Went there last year by v1 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      And in school, it's called "cheating", but in the military it's referred to as "gathering intelligence".

      Love those dichotomies. Usually caused by a prejudiced perspective by the people describing the action. Assign the exact same description to both actions, but at the end tack on " that helps us" or "that hurts us", and poof, you need to pick between different words despite the actions being identical. That bit on the end doesn't have any bearing on the action when taken from a neutral perspective.

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    6. Re:Went there last year by nomorecwrd · · Score: 1

      You know what they say, history is written by the winners.

      Or in this case, clearly depends on the beholder.

    7. Re:Went there last year by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      To my surprise, since I went to the link, "The Museum: 10,000 square feet of display area with over 5,000 items to view". It seems well worth the visit.

      That is really cool. I think on my next trip in the area, I'll go take a peek. Nice of you to make a donation, that would be my first thought as well. I woulda thought that NSA has a slightly larger budget for their museum than the CF so, the Canadian museum would be much smaller.

    8. Re:Went there last year by TheHonch · · Score: 1

      What was Viet Cong doing there?

    9. Re:Went there last year by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Somehow I've managed to miss that one despite visiting Kingston several times. I'll have to make it a stop next time I'm there.

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    10. Re:Went there last year by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They got a sizable donation from us because it was our last stop before crossing the border back into New York and we opted to give them all of our Canadian money rather than go to a currency exchange to get it changed back. I gave them $35 and change, my buddy did almost as much. Also spent some money in the gift shop.

      I always walk away with a better feeling when I give my money to a museum than the usual tourist traps that one visits when on vacation.

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    11. Re:Went there last year by internewt · · Score: 1

      Cheers for sharing your photos, but that webpage totally unnecessarily needs javascript.... it's just some photos.

      Anyway, a quick look at the source revealed where the pictures are, and as your server allows directory listing it is possible to browse the pictures without JS (albeit without thumbnails):
      http://www.thoughtcrime.com/NSA%20Museum/Site/NSA%20Museum%20visit_files/

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    12. Re:Went there last year by dhiraz · · Score: 1

      I went there a few years ago. It is very cool. I was expecting it to be kind of lame, but quite the opposite. They have an enigma and a purple machine. I am into WWII stuff and at the time worked with ONI/NSA, so I was into it, but I think even if you aren't it's cool.

    13. Re:Went there last year by plcurechax · · Score: 1

      The military group (Communications and Electronics Branch) is based in Kingston, and is sometimes called the forth element (in addition to Navy, Army, Air Force) as they are a combined cross-element branch, while the Communications Security Establishment (CSE), which is the civilian SIGINT group, is based in Ottawa (Leitrim near airport). While they are civilian, often military personnel serve within the CSE.

      I'm not sure if they C&E Branch are now the CF Joint Signal Regiment (CFJSR), which falls under Canadian Operational Support Command (CANOSCOM) or not.

    14. Re:Went there last year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Canadian signals corps (don't recall the official name) is based in Kingston despite having a significant number of their staff posted to Ottawa.

      CSE (or CSEC) is the Canadian version of NSA (eh?).

      For all we gripe out our omnipresent watchdogs, their museums are awesome, and I'm glad they're able to disclose as much as they can. (Deep down inside, I think I just envy them for having (and building!) really cool tech for years before any of us mere mortals see it :)

    15. Re:Went there last year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you need that non-neutral perspective. In school, cheating hurts the child's ability to learn the material, in the military gathering intelligence helps the military operate. From the child's perspective, he or she is helping himself/herself operate, from a foreign government's perspective, the military is hindering their ability to operate. Using different words lets you recognize that the same action isn't appropriate (or beneficial) in different circumstances.

      The simplest example I have is the difference between fermentation and rotting. Fermentation is beneficial, rotting isn't, but they're basically the same process. Something to think about the next time you eat blue cheese.

    16. Re:Went there last year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somehow I've managed to miss that one despite visiting Kingston several times. I'll have to make it a stop next time I'm there.

      ay ya rude boy at be comin ere an not seein da spyyyy museum ya

      Ya do be thinkin af Kingston Jamaica does ya, bumbaclart? Ya don't be comin ta dis ere island wi'out missin da prime attractin's

    17. Re:Went there last year by Tarsir · · Score: 1

      Those dishonest bastards! Differentiating between similar activities with different motivations and results! Next thing you know they'll try claiming that 'murdering', and 'killing in self defense', actually describe different things! Clearly this is just one step away from double-plus-ungood mind-control through language engineering.

    18. Re:Went there last year by grandpa-geek · · Score: 1

      I was in Kingson Ontario over the weekend and discovered the Military Communications and Electronics Museum on a Canadian forces base. Hadn't planned on going or even heard of the place before -- we just drove by and decided to stop. Among other things they had an Enigma machine.

      I would highly recommend stopping there if you happen to be in the area. Admission was free, though we opted to make a donation.

      The National Cryptologic Museum is near the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and MD-32. If you take the B&W Parkway a few more miles to BWI Marshall airport, there is a military electronics museum near the hotels adjacent to BWI Marshall. I visited that museum once. They have old radars and communications equipment on display.

    19. Re:Went there last year by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      How many museums let you encode a message on their Enigma though?

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    20. Re:Went there last year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I wonder if they have any of the devices I repaired in the '80s. KY-3, STU-III, KW-26, KG-13. I'd love to get documents on the KY-3 and emulate it using a DSP and FPGA. Yes it would be easily possible to do that securely but it has a aurally interesting startup sound when synchronizing and the audio quality is good but there is an added component which makes it unique.

    21. Re:Went there last year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes....they have many crypto devices of that era on display.....

  2. I know it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a foreigner I know this museum.
    I was actually detained by de NSA for fotographing the NSA building itself.

    I'm still waiting for them to send back my CF card...

    1. Re:I know it... by xerio · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not to be an ass. But you only have yourself to fault for that. Seriously. What were you thinking?

  3. Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by capnchicken · · Score: 1

    There is also an Enigma Machine at the museum of science and industry in Chicago right next to the sub, I don't know of any other displays off the top of my head that could by at a museum solely dedicated to cryptography.

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    1. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by Sovetskysoyuz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Canadian War Museum has one too, for those who are closer to Ottawa than Maryland.

    2. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by jmcharry · · Score: 1

      I think the Smithsonian has one on display also. What I found interesting at the NSA museum was that they had a prewar commercial model that was marketed in England. It had fewer rotors than the later military versions.

      Most of the stuff in the museum when I was there was WW2 era, notably excepting part of an old Cray computer. I don't think there is much danger of any of it being reclassified.

    3. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      There is also an Enigma Machine at the museum of science and industry in Chicago right next to the sub, I don't know of any other displays off the top of my head that could by at a museum solely dedicated to cryptography.

      In the UK there's Bletchley Park

    4. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Naval Academy Museum in Annapolis has one as well.

    5. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by langelgjm · · Score: 1

      They also have a big Polish "bomba" (Enigma decrypting device) IIRC. Also, when I went, the place was empty and one of the guys working there encouraged me and my friend to play with the Enigma machine, so that was pretty cool.

      They have examples of phones that did voice encryption from the 1960s or 1970s... you can listen to decrypted audio and it's all garbled but still intelligible.

      Neat little museum - not well known, but definitely worth checking out if you happen to be in that part of Maryland or you're in the DC metro area.

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    6. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an enigma machine YOU CAN USE. At least there was several years ago when I was there.

      I've seen several other enigma machines (e.g., at the Computer History Museum), but they have been strictly hands off.

      There are also several very early cipher machines such as a bit of the Colossus (arguably the earliest digital computer), decoding machines for the Japanese Purple code, and so on. It's an astonishing museum, very much worth the 20 minute drive from DC.

    7. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      There's also one at the International Spy Museum in Washington DC.

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    8. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Cherokee to Japanese dictionary?

    9. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by vxice · · Score: 1

      "Is it part of the NSA, or is it a separate organization? Can the NSA reclassify things in its archives?" slashdot now brings you fox news. It is a very interesting place, I have been several times. There is no cost to go and it has many items about the history of cryptology. Such as the mentioned enigma as well as a Japanese world war two encryption machine. Mostly however it is just posters explaining various things, it is worth a visit if you are in the area but I would not expect more than an hour out of the visit. They do have a gift shop, who doesn't these days, with NSA branded items such as shot glasses, shirts and my personal favorite a magic eight ball. And please if you are going to put something on slashdot editors please have useful information, I'm sure you could have googled a quick description of the place.

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    10. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by grikdog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They should add a Blackberry banned from the United Arab Emirates. Presumably just a fast streaming cipher of some kind? AES is pretty fast, so that just leaves the key generation. More to the point, why would UAE presume the Blackberry was crackable? Because the NSA insists on half-baked security in older phones?

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    11. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Navajo code talkers are usually associated with the Pacific Theater in WWII. Cherokee were used in WWI. Conflating the two doesn't help the joke...

    12. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by isaac · · Score: 2, Informative

      When I last went to the National Cryptologic Museum (2002?) they had at least a half-dozen Enigma machines on display, including the rarer 4-rotor Kriegsmarine version. But the really cool thing was that besides the ones behind glass, they had one in the open that you could actually use.
      They even had some scratch paper and golf pencils nearby for writing out and passing encrypted messages.

      I've seen a number of Enigmas behind glass but had never laid hands on one until visiting this museum. I hope it's still set up this way and they haven't removed the hands-on enigma.

      -Isaac

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    13. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by DrgnDancer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also interesting and relevant is that a Navajo to Japanese dictionary wouldn't help. The Code Talkers used a code within a code, with their language being only the first layer. They also used a combination of standard military/intelligence community "talking code" (basically obscuring the meaning of phrases by referring to code words instead of places, people, or operations), and the simple fact that they had to reinterpret the language to include all the modern warfare technology and techniques they were imparting, to make most of the Code Talk incomprehensible to even native Navajo speakers. While not Code Talkers were ever captured alive, a number of regular Navajo troops were, and none could ever decode the signals Japanese intelligence forced them to listen to.

      The Navajo that originally developed the Code Talk were clever on a number of levels. It really was a nearly perfect code. The only way to decode it would be to find a fluent speaker of the language (rare as Hell outside the tribe) who also happened to be an expert on codes and decoding messages (practically unheard of outside of the Code Talkers themselves).

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    14. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by cslax · · Score: 2, Informative

      And the Jeffersonian Cipher, as well as early copies of a bunch of old coding books. It's a terrific museum staffed primarily by ex-NSA people.

    15. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by cslax · · Score: 1

      As well as the fact that there was language gaps, such as there being no word for plane in Navajo. So they used "big eagle flying" or something to that effect.

    16. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by cslax · · Score: 1

      It is. Pencils and all.

    17. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by rapiddescent · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do any of the museums let you play with the enigma?

      I was lucky enough to play with a Kommando 3+reverser dial enigma. The first thing I did was press L L L L L L L L L L L ... L which mightly impressed the librarian who looks after the collection of old crypto gear. An enigma will never lightup the same character as the key pressed. This enigma was owned by some organisation that I forget and rarely had a drooling nerd giving it the once over.

      The point is that there are lots of hidden away secret caches of old crypto equipment that are kept as momentos from successful operations and never see the light of day. Of course, like the enigma itself, there are crypto units that are not disclosed because they have been cracked and are still in use by the public. The banking system used enigma until the 1950's even though the UK could decrypt messages effectively a decade before. (do you believe that collossus was really shut down?)

      Typical german quality though, the woodwork on the case was fabulous and even 70 years later the lid shuts perfectly. The woodwork had inlaid coloured wood in it not unlike an ornate coffee table; I can only suppose that later enigma were a bit more rushed into production. The wee light bulbs had frosted ends so that cold russian front fingers can unscrew and change the bulbs. Although, if a bulb did go then some poor operator would have to carefully unscrew each bulb and test it in a little tester bulb slot. The operator would then have to do the crypto exercise again because the dials would have to be reset. Every key on the keyboard worked with a smooth action, not unlike a well oiled 1970's typewriter but they had quite a large depression so you could never have touch typed on this. I imagine soldiers on the front lines would have been trained for accuracy rather than efficiency so they probably typed with 1 finger and recorded each lit up character with a pencil and pad one at a time.

      It was really heavy. Given that this was a Kommando unit then it probably was lugged about in comms vehicle (I wasn't told the back story) but I doubt that these were used in a ditch on a battlefield.

      In my excitement, I can't remember of each dial rotated, or parts of the dial rotated on each keypress - there was a solid clunk and the sound of mechanical movement on each keypress; I would imagine that this would rotate the cipher on each keypress to make it harder to crack. The box had different dials in it - presumably from other machines or replacement units. Each had gears on it and neat wiring - and weighed about 2 lbs.

    18. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by Jonathan_S · · Score: 1

      There's also one at the International Spy Museum in Washington DC.

      However it's just on display behind glass. At the crypto museum the enigma is accessable and they let you use it. Much cooler, IMHO.

    19. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by overThruster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know what the rules are at the museum but the NSA had a booth at the RSA conference this year and they brought an Enigma with them. They allowed me to use it and it seemed to be in full working order. Dials rotated and the keys made the lights come on. You could even open it up and see the internal mechanism. It was an amazing experience to physically touch a piece of history like that--one of the highlights of the conference for me. A colleague of mine who is fluent in German was reading the instructions which mentioned that there was a printer that could be used with the device--something I hadn't heard before.

      We owe a great debt to the code breakers at Bletchley Park like Alan Turing and Gordon Welchman and the Poles like Marian Rejewski who paved the way for them. Not only did they help win WWII and save countless lives, but they also planted the seeds for modern computer science in the process.

    20. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by colfer · · Score: 1

      The Military Aviation Museum in Virginia Beach has an Enigma, along with a misinformed computer demo. There must have been thousands of Enigma machines captured. Wikipedia says 100,000 manufactured, including commercial ones. It also has a picture of the Enigma display at the Natl Cryptologic Museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Enigmas.jpg

      The machine was cool - no numbers, no punctuation - the narrated explanation was perfect, up until the demo, which was a simple substitution cipher: the same letter always meant the same other letter! Somebody's Dilbert boss took over in the media shop! The program had already explained the cipher did not repeat.

    21. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not banks, embassies. Countries not rich enough to enjoy a substantial independent crypto capability were encouraged to use surplus Enigma units because the British could crack them if necessary.

      The replacement rotors are intended as a security feature. The setup for a particular period of time (often a day) specifies which of the labelled rotors should be used and they behave differently so this functions as part of the key. Unfortunately this part of the system in fact opened a vulnerability.

    22. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by leenks · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The banking system used enigma until the 1950's even though the UK could decrypt messages effectively a decade before. (do you believe that collossus was really shut down?)

      Collossus wasn't used to crack Enigma - it was used to crack messages from Lorenz machines, which were more complicated than Enigma. The amazing thing is that the cryptologists at Bletchley were able to figure out the way the machine worked having never seen one (indeed, they didn't see one for over 2 years after cracking it) due to an error by a machine operator. But yes, I do believe it was really shut down and evidence destroyed - that's why it took so many years of painstaking reconstruction from photographs and human memory to rebuild one of the things...

      The dials on an Engima rotate btw rather than parts inside of them. Each rotation of the wheels causes different pathways through the rotors to be used, thus changing the output - IIRC you can see the wiring inside some of the rotors at both the NSA museum, and the equally amazing Bletchley Park Museum in the UK (http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/)

    23. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by FullBandwidth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They have more than one Enigma - in fact they have several working machines out in the open (no pun) that you can operate yourself which is way cool. Several varieties in cases, including a Japanese model. Some displays about the Navaho code talkers; African-American code quilt; some antique books on cryptology; bunch of common networking cryptos (KG-46s and the like, including remnants of a space-based one that was recovered from a launch vehicle failure); crypto-enabled cell phones. And of course an instance of the Cryptologic Bombe - the enormous electromechanical WWII machine that was used for brute-force Enigma cracking (based on the work of Rejewski, Turing, and the others at Bletchley Park). And, in the gift shop, you can get some cool stuff with the NSA logo on it ... walk into your next meeting with all your notes in a nice NSA folder and see what kind of comments you get!

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    24. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by tropo3050 · · Score: 1

      I went to the NSA museum in 2008, and they had *two* working enigmas, out, that you could use to send messages one to the other. So yes, yes they do let you play with them.

    25. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Well, it repeated after 16900 characters (and I realize that is de facto "not repeating", mentioned after the part I quote below).. or am I misunderstanding you?

      From wikipedia's article on the enigma machine:

      the machine had a period of 26 × 25 × 26 = 16,900 (not 26 × 26 × 26 because of the double stepping of the second rotor).

    26. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by bernywork · · Score: 1

      And me without mod points... *MODS!*

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    27. Re:Ok, Enigma machine ... what else by Brandee07 · · Score: 1

      Do any of the museums let you play with the enigma?

      They do let you play with one of the Enigmas at Ft. Meade, and even have a pad of notepaper next to write down your plaintext and encoded messages.

      What they don't let you play with is the limited run Japanese enigma machine, with kana printed on the keys. Apparently the Germans made a couple for the Japanese, but it didn't really catch on and they were never really used.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Japanese-enigma.jpg

  4. There's a reason... by Leebert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most people might not be aware of it

    Yes, because it's hidden down a road with potholes large enough to lose a small semi in. And to get to it, you need to all but drive up to the scary looking gates of the NSA before turning down said hidden road.

    1. Re:There's a reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't they fixed the road to the shell station (somewhat after the scary gate)? I suppose there might still be potholes after that. Apparently it is more important to buy gas than to go see history.

    2. Re:There's a reason... by Leebert · · Score: 1

      To be honest, I haven't gone all the way back there in years, but I do know that coming out of the Shell Station on my motorcycle and navigating around the potholes always makes me nervous. :)

      But yes, they realigned the road a couple of years ago, so it's in pretty good shape from the middle of the Shell to the NSA gate.

      I was trying to make a (humorous) point that it's a museum that's really tucked away, and you have to know it's there. So it's no surprise that its existence isn't widely known. Though I *think* there's actually a sign on the B/W Parkway now.

    3. Re:There's a reason... by Chowderbags · · Score: 1

      But at least they've got security through obscurity!

    4. Re:There's a reason... by cslax · · Score: 1

      I believe the sign is only one direction though (North). Maybe it is because I never come south to pass Ft. Meade, but I haven't seen a sign on the southbound parkway.

    5. Re:There's a reason... by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 3, Funny

      To get to the museum, you have to take the Route 32 exit towards Fort Meade, which actually ends at the employee entrance, if you accidentally miss the turn (to either the museum or the visitor entrance), you end up at the scary gates to the base, who then make you pull into a special area, where you are then surrounded by scary looking Chevy suburbans (atleast that was the case for me, I missed the exit...) who then search you vehicle, get all your information and run a background check, and if all goes well, escort you to the correct exit and send you on your way...

      Moral of the story.. don't miss the exit...

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    6. Re:There's a reason... by ushering05401 · · Score: 1

      Moral of the story.. don't miss the exit...

      So a background check, physical inspection, and the reason you are there (interest in cryptography).

      This is a clear case of miss the exit and get a job interview ;)

  5. Virtual Tour by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

    The NSA has a virtual tour of the place on their website. Not exactly an immersible VRML experience or anything, but pretty nice none the less. There are also some nice videos in the flash frame on the main page, including a pretty cool overview of the 2009 CDX contest between the various military academies. The Press release for 2010 notes that Navy won this year (apparently in 2009, NSA Red Cell hacked Navy's website to say "we heart army" as one of their first actions, which probably had them motivated a little bit more this year).

    They actually have a lot of publicly available information and seem to be making great steps towards demystifying their image and trying to un-do some recent damage. They're not anything like 'Enemy of the State'.

    1. Re:Virtual Tour by KingOfTheMoon · · Score: 1

      The Virtual Tour background image is a flag with three stars in the blue, and what looks like morse in six stripes. Hmm.

      dah dit dah dit dit dah
      dit dah dit dah dah dit
      dah dah dit dah dah
      dah dah dit dah dit dit
      dah dah dah dah dah
      dit dit dit dah dit dah dit

      Sorry, I don't know how to get around the "junk charachter" filter with regular morse symbols.

  6. Can the NSA reclassify things in its archives? by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, they can. Classification typically lapses after 25 years unless reviewed and extended, and while it's easy to extend classification, in practice it lapses on a lot of stuff. That doesn't mean they put it on a website or in the museum, but it's open to FOIA requests at that point.

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    1. Re:Can the NSA reclassify things in its archives? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      Beyond that, NSA is the classifying authority in and of themselves. They can declassify documents on their own authority if they feel the documents no longer require the protection. Of course they rarely chose to do this, but they legally can. Mostly you're right though, the automatic declassification after 25 years is probably how 99.9% of declassification happen.

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    2. Re:Can the NSA reclassify things in its archives? by woodsrunner · · Score: 1

      'Have heard this is why the original ice cube trays used for the development of Jello Shots by Tom Lehrer can neither be confirmed or denied although documented in Wikipedia.

  7. Old news... by dtmos · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:Old news... by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Wow, they're good! Took 17 years before I even heard about the place!

  8. Great museum... by Rod+Chapman · · Score: 1

    It's a great museum. They have lots of historically significant crypto devices, including 5 or 6 enigmas machines of various types. They also have several "used" supercomputers, including a Cray Y-MP, and a the wonderful-looking Connection Machine CM5.

  9. 1000 times better than the lame spy museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know you are in the right place when the receptionist informs you that you can use the Enigma machine while you wait for the next tour group to start. Dig around in their library and look for books printed on line paper, that's the stuff you won't find anywhere else. Oh yea, the tour guides are also recruiters if you think you got what it takes.

    1. Re:1000 times better than the lame spy museum by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree more. I laughed pretty hard when I first heard about the Spy Museum. "We've already got something far better than that in this area, and it's free."

    2. Re:1000 times better than the lame spy museum by recharged95 · · Score: 1

      And you get to see real (but old) field stuff. And airplanes!.More close to Air & Space vs. the Spy Museum.

      And it's much different from the spy museum, which that place eventually pushes hollywood references, aka faked stuff.

    3. Re:1000 times better than the lame spy museum by leenks · · Score: 1

      The spy museum is good fun though :-)

  10. It certainly used to be NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About 15 years ago the NSA guys on exchange would brag that they has an Enigma on display and all the CSE had was the Cray loveseat.

  11. No suprises here by krzysz00 · · Score: 1

    The NSA has one of the largest cryptographic collections in the world IMHO. So, it's not much of a surprise that some of the "old stuff" is in a museum.

  12. My cousin works there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have a live family of bigfoots living in cages in the basement.

    1. Re:My cousin works there by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      That's classified you insensitive clod.

  13. Museums by thoth · · Score: 4, Informative

    The National Cryptographic Museum is where an old motel used to be (Colony 7 motel) and is a pretty cool place to visit. The Enigma works and you can spin the rotors, type, and encrypt/decrypt messages.

    Nearby is the National Vigilance Park, which has some cold war recon aircraft on display.

    Being a geek you might as well do the multi-stage geocache which starts at the NVP. The NVP and nearby "unclassified" parking lot have a view of NSA buildings, and typically NSA police are quite visible patrolling the area.

    And if you have time, cruise up to the BWI area and visit the National Electronics Museum.

    1. Re:Museums by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      Ha! The National Electronics Museum is where I've gone with my dad a few times for a gathering of hams. While he's listening to the speakers, I wander around the exhibits. The addition of the thermal imaging is neat, as well as a few of the (limited) hands on exhibits in the beginning.

      Not a great place as far as things go, but certainly interesting to visit for an hour or two.

      --
      We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    2. Re:Museums by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I second the National Electronics Museum, it is a very interesting museum with some very cool displays. My kids love to play with the IR camera setup there.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    3. Re:Museums by metamatic · · Score: 1

      Geocaching outside the NSA? Oh, yeah, that sounds like a fabulous idea. I'll jump right on that next time I want the inside of my ass examined with a flashlight.

      --
      GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
    4. Re:Museums by jd · · Score: 1

      My main objection is that the curator was interviewed by Slashdot many years ago but the interview results were never published. Damn bastards probably classified it.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
  14. Opening hours are not very friendly by azgard · · Score: 1

    I would like to get there with a colleague during our upcoming business trip (if it will be approved - we are Czechs working for American company with office near Washington). However, the opening hours in the museum are quite unfriendly - basically only during the week (we will be at work), plus 1st and 3rd Saturday in month for 4 hours. We hope we will get on Saturday there, will have to plan accordingly.

    1. Re:Opening hours are not very friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm - two guys from the Czech republic. My suggestions would be to NOT go in together. NSA has already recorded all your cell phone calls, emails, SMS, Facebook and Twitter posts. If they suspect ANYTHING about either of you, you'll be whisked off to some foreign intelligence center for "further interrogation". So, I'd go in one at a time, and if the first guy comes out OK, the second guy should go in.

      Also, try to stay with a fairly big crowd inside. It'll make it more difficult to snatch you when no one is looking.

      - G.O.

    2. Re:Opening hours are not very friendly by azgard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you are joking.

      I doubt U.S. government would want something from us. First, we have already been to U.S. 2 years ago (on a similar business trip). Second, most of the U.S. secrets (I mean industrial) have been already outsourced to other countries, including mine (consider our company). So, all in all, I think two foreigners visiting a museum are pretty harmless to U.S. national security.

      BTW. The U.S. is actually a nice place. There is more corruption in our country anyway. I think most Americans are overreacting to government powers, even though I agree that the situation is getting worse there (especially the class divide).

  15. There's great stuff there!!! Go see it! by vsigma · · Score: 5, Informative

    even if it looks like a converted old school Howard Johnson motel of sorts! They actually have a lot of interesting stuff on display, besides an actual enigma machine that you can play with!

    Interesting details that I noticed when I went this past summer:
    1) My car (and phone!) GPS suddenly drops dead and gets nothing in terms of signal.. it's like we drove off the planet or something! The onboard GPS had to resort to using car instrumentation data to give us a rough guesstimate of where we are - which we thought was really funny!
    2) There's a sign by the main entrance to the NSA there that basically says don't even think about taking any pictures, even of the sign itself that says don't take any pictures!! Note: You make a left right at the main entrance to the parking lots to follow the side road to the museum while passing a permanently parked fighter jet and a gas station right before you get to it. It's really non-descript!
    3) At the gift shop - we decided to buy a few things and charged it on the credit card.. when we got home and looked at the receipt - it doesn't even say NSA museum - it had some totally different name to it!
    4) Also, they had a totally cheap and reasonable soda and snack machines tucked to the side of the entrance once you walk in! Totally surprising - but nice ;)

    and Incidentally, if you're thinking about going to the spy museum in downtown washington DC - *DON'T DO IT!* - it's an absolute travesty and waste of i think it was like $15? The NSA museum blows it away in terms of information and goodies to be seen - and WAYYYYYYYYYyyyyy cheaper too! The spy museum in DC is for kids. The NSA museum is for true Geeks!

    1. Re:There's great stuff there!!! Go see it! by joedoc · · Score: 1

      1>> Well, one should expect this when one is within shouting distance of one of the most secure buildings in the world. The same thing sometimes occurs near other buildings in the DC region. But Fort Meade? You're lucky you get stuff on your car radio.

      2>> I work at that big five-sided building a few miles up the road from the NSA site. I was working a recent Saturday and on my way into the building, I spotted a small contingent of tourists from a friendly foreign nation (at least I hope they're still friendly) happily snapping away at group shots with the building in the background (including an entrance area). Also being captured in the photo was a large sign that said "Photography Prohibited", along with an image of a camera with the circled red line (I thought that was the international symbol for "NO"). I noticed one of the building's uniformed security personnel approaching, and helpfully pointed out the sign to the photographer. One of the group spoke a little English, at least enough to explain what was up...apparently, they just didn't see the sign.

      What's ironic about this is that there's a heavily-visited memorial park right outside the building, and photos are permitted there...even if you're facing the building itself. My guess is that those signs have been there for a long time (the memorial only opened in 2008), and they're still itchy about people photographing entrances and access point to the building.

      3>> Don't porn sites do this as well? Their gift shop management is likely contracted out.

      4>> Subsidized with your tax dollars. I worked in a secure building with access restricted to certain people, and the soda machines in there sold canned brand-name drinks for fifty cents. In the "open" building across the parking lot, they were a buck.

      --
      Joe Dougherty, Florida, USA
      The words I thought I brought, I left behind. So, never mind.
    2. Re:There's great stuff there!!! Go see it! by Firemouth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Klinger: "The what-a-gon?"

      Col. Potter: "The PENTAGON! Weird looking building. Four walls and a spare. Monument to Murphy's Law."

    3. Re:There's great stuff there!!! Go see it! by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      If the stories further up are true, it looks like converted Motel because it is ;-)

      --
      I don't need a million points of light, just two points of multi-mode fiber and a 10 Gig-E router.
    4. Re:There's great stuff there!!! Go see it! by jtseng · · Score: 1
      --

      Sanity.html - Error 404 not found

    5. Re:There's great stuff there!!! Go see it! by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      4) Also, they had a totally cheap and reasonable soda and snack machines tucked to the side of the entrance once you walk in! Totally surprising - but nice

      Subsidized with your tax dollars.

      Are you sure? I've known places to have soda/snack machines that were "totally cheap and reasonable" compared to usual costs that weren't subsidized at all, they just were priced to cover maintenance on the machine plus the bulk purchase cost of the goods sold, rather than priced to make a profit.

    6. Re:There's great stuff there!!! Go see it! by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 1

      4>> Subsidized with your tax dollars. I worked in a secure building with access restricted to certain people, and the soda machines in there sold canned brand-name drinks for fifty cents. In the "open" building across the parking lot, they were a buck.

      Not necessarily subsidized. They may simply be declining to mark it up all that much. Typical retail prices are 50% over wholesale, give or take. Running a soda machine at-cost to keep the workers happy makes sense. But you can't do that in the "open" area without increasing costs substantially; if the people working in the area are constantly dropping by to buy discount soda, you'll get a lot of complaints from area retailers (you're hitting their bottom line), and you now need to refill the machine far more frequently or let it go empty, which means you need to pay for refills more often, or you don't provide the benefit to your workers.

      Beyond that, referring to it as "subsidized" makes it sound like the government is unusually wasteful with money in this instance. Compared to private industry, they're actually being fairly cheap. I'm a software developer (as are a lot of NSA employees). I'm private sector, and every job I've worked in has provided free drinks (including name brand soda) at the very least, and they often provide snacks, candy, and the occasional after work get together with free wine or beer. The federal government pays less than most software development jobs in the private sector (from talking with friends that have had offers from private sector and the feds, the feds always offer about 15-30% less, even when the fed job might actually require more skills), the benefits are less generous (my last two private sector jobs came with automatic health care where my co-pay for just about everything was $5-10 with no deductible, while fed employees have to pay a percentage of their health care and usually have higher co-pays and/or deductibles), and in the case of a jobs requiring clearance, you don't even get public acknowledgment of your contributions. There are three major benefits to working for the federal government:

      1. It's harder to get fired (but by no means impossible)
      2. Their education benefits are more generous (private sector often pays for night classes, but the feds will give you time off with full pay for a limited amount of graduate work)
      3. Pay raises are more reliable (a bad year for a private company might mean stingy 2% or less raises all around, but the feds give guaranteed cost of living adjustment, and step promotions are automatic every few years)

      Yes, the feds are less flexible, so sometimes they'll have more people working for them than they need and will have a hard time trimming (though that's what contractors are for; pick up more when you need 'em, drop 'em when you don't). But the cost per software developer to the feds is far less than most reasonable private sectors companies (Microsoft, financial firms, etc.) pay. Even if the feds *were* losing a few cents a can on soda (and I doubt it; soda is cheap, people have just been duped into thinking it should cost $0.75-$1.00 a can), they're still making out like bandits.

      --
      $_ = "wftedskaebjgdpjgidbsmnjgcdwatb"; tr/a-z/oh, turtleneck Phrase Jar!/; print
    7. Re:There's great stuff there!!! Go see it! by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      1>> Well, one should expect this when one is within shouting distance of one of the most secure buildings in the world. The same thing sometimes occurs near other buildings in the DC region. But Fort Meade? You're lucky you get stuff on your car radio.

      Why do they need to do active jamming? If the entire building is essentially a SCIF, what the risk? Nothing can leak out.

      --
      With the first link, the chain is forged.
    8. Re:There's great stuff there!!! Go see it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm working in a secured building right now and they want to charge a buck and a quarter for bottled water. :P

  16. great place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    i went there in 2000, on a trip from the UK. was driving though MD and saw signs to Fort Meade. got lost and ended up rocking up at the main NSA entrance. halfway through security i said "christ, im only here for the museum". at which point the friendly guards laughed and pointed me in the right way.

    of course, this was before "the accident". had i been doing that a year later i'm guessing my stay at the NSA would have been considerably longer....

    how times change. i genuinely long for the old days before the U.S got broken and chose to take the world down with it.

  17. Been there done that... by BobBoring · · Score: 1

    I have the tee shirt to prove it.

    Lots of interesting cold war information there too. Most Americans don't know how many service men died collecting sigint during period from after WWII until the late 1980's

  18. Enigma... by MojoRilla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is cool that they have Enigma machines, but they aren't the only place, even in the US. I recently saw two Enigma machines at The Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, that were captured on the U505 sub. See wikipedia for more locations.

    1. Re:Enigma... by cslax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference is you can play with the one in the NSA museum, and they encourage it.

  19. Worked at NSA... by rclandrum · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The absolute best job I ever had was a codebreaker at NSA in the mid 70's when I was with the Army Security Agency. Critical mission, challenging brain-straining job, and the most advanced computers on the planet to play with. Have never been to the museum but imagine it would bring back some memories. Most people immediately think "Oh boy, Enigma!", but that is only the most public of the items, and not necessarily the most interesting. My proudest possession is the Dundee Orange Marmalade jar that I still keep on my desk. You either know what that means, or you don't.

    1. Re:Worked at NSA... by lemur3 · · Score: 1

      My proudest possession is the Dundee Orange Marmalade jar that I still keep on my desk. You either know what that means, or you don't.

      Clearly we either know or we don't... but does this mean you aren't gonna tell us?

      If not.... why mention it?

    2. Re:Worked at NSA... by rapiddescent · · Score: 1

      I keep my pencils in one of those - but then, I'm actually Scottish.

    3. Re:Worked at NSA... by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1

      ... or you look it up in Wikipedia.

      --

      -WolfWithoutAClause

      "Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"
    4. Re:Worked at NSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr. Callimahos was a very interesting character.

    5. Re:Worked at NSA... by DemingBuiltMyHotRod · · Score: 1

      Ahh... The Dundee Society strikes again!

    6. Re:Worked at NSA... by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 1

      It's not hard to figure out. A quick Google search for:
      Dundee Orange Marmalade jar NSA
      came up with this link, right on the NSA's website.

      --
      $_ = "wftedskaebjgdpjgidbsmnjgcdwatb"; tr/a-z/oh, turtleneck Phrase Jar!/; print
    7. Re:Worked at NSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! I have a huge old circuit board from an old agency IBM from the 70s somewhere around here. BTW, many of the museum volunteers are retirees from up the road.

      BTW, not only will your GPS suddenly go a bit wonky in the area, but some brands of cars have their car fob type electronics go a bit wild. In the past, they've also fried local garage door openers.

    8. Re:Worked at NSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You invoke the name of Mr. Callimahos and Dundee! The secret handshake has begun! It's old home week! I took flute classes from him back in the day.

    9. Re:Worked at NSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My proudest possession is the Dundee Orange Marmalade jar that I still keep on my desk. You either know what that means, or you use Google to find out.

      FTFY.

  20. I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's the typical "NSA is evil, make sure to wear your tinfoil hat, go there and get put on their most wanted list" rants?

  21. It's the Twilight Zone by kurt555gs · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have been there twice. Really interesting to any geek that likes computer history. One time I got into the museum and remembered I forgot to lock the doors on my truck. I mentioned it to an employee there and he said, "Oh, I wouldn't worry. It's being watched".

    --
    * Carthago Delenda Est *
  22. Get a group together by braindrainbahrain · · Score: 1

    The day I went, a few years ago, I was fortunate because there was a busload of visitors there the same day (Daughters of the Revolution? Young Republicans? I don't know who they were). They had an official museum tour guide who gave a lot of history and details about what was in the exhibits, way more than was available on the displays alone. I was able to tag along and listen to it all. If at all possible, I urge you to see about getting a group together (through your workplace, school, boy scout troop, whatever) and getting such a guided tour.

    On another note, before the group got there, the museum had a few visitors. All of them with haircuts which leads me to believe they were military in civvies, and all of them discussing the exhibits in whispers!

  23. I broke the museum once by goltz20707 · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, I didn't break *in* -- I broke the museum. I was standing near an exhibit of a tape library robot, busily moving tapes around, and the control panel was right out there where anyone could fiddle with it. I pushed a button -- I don't remember which one -- and the robot arm reset to its rest position and stopped. I moved away from the exhibit before anyone saw me. A week later the museum closed and didn't reopen for almost a year. So that must have been one important tape library. Sorry.

  24. My connection by TheSync · · Score: 1

    My parents stayed at the Colony 7 hotel on the first night of their honeymoon...

  25. Made in the USA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I went there. My wife tried to find a shirt with the NSA logo that was made in the US. They don't sell them.

    I guess I when I was there in 2001 it was before they put an Enigma in for folks to play with.

  26. We were there in 2006, I think by jddj · · Score: 1

    It's a great idea to get a tour from a dosant. Ours was ex-NSA, and the commentary is was fantastic. There's more than one Enigma there, and also the American version of the Cryptographic Bombe, which broke the 4-wheeled Enigma code. Brings a whole new meaning to "brute force computing".

  27. Part of the NSA? by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 1

    "Is it part of the NSA, or is it a separate organization?"

    If you don't know the answer to the simple puzzles, why would you bother to go and look at the complex ones? :)

              -Charlie

  28. I'm not really a crypto geek, but... by sgage · · Score: 1

    ... when I visited my brother (he lives in Arlington, VA) last year he insisted we visit the museum. I said "sure, why not". I was really glad we did. Lots of great history there, and lots of hardware, too. As a previous poster said, you are able to and encouraged to play with an Enigma machine. Great photos and artifacts and whatnot. I was surprised just how interesting and informative it was - highly recommended to anyone visiting the area.

  29. They are at MathFest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am at MathFest 2010 in Pittsburgh right now, and there is an NSA / Cryptological Museum booth. They brought an Enigma machine from 1943 and let us play with it. Also: free pencils. Yay!

  30. cool place, actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't read all of the comments, but I'll chime in as an Anonymous Coward.

    Once upon a time, the museum was a hotel. The agency grew, and worries were put forward about um....people in the hotel and their location in re the new buildings. Ahem. The stories we've heard...

    So, the building was purchased and made into a museum. Cool place, we like to take visiting relatives there. They do indeed have an Enigma machine. I'm pretty sure they have a Purple machine as well. (yeah, I can google it, but why?)

    For those of us Anonymous Cowards who are...shall we say...residents of the area, we were astounded when they put up an exit sign for the agency and also one for the museum. Amazing for those of us used to not admitting it exists.

    1. Re:cool place, actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The convenience of a motel close to work was not lost on employees who needed to "work late". Ultimate conversion to government property came when the former owner didn't care to invest in plumbing/electrical/fire safety updates to meet county and state codes...and the current owner took advantage of the opportunity to purchase...

  31. My family has donated some cool gear to this by DCFusor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Enough to take a 3/8" thick book to show the pictures of. My Dad, who worked for NRL, did a lot of the early development work on vocoders. Not the crypto parts, just the parts that render speech into fewer bits for later encryption. So if you go there, look for the vocoders, and the EVA (electronic voice analog) which I myself had a part in developing -- long before there were IC computers things like this were a little tricky. It ran in the family, I wound up writing codecs and protocols that are now used in cel phones and online. The EVA played from a chart we drew on with conductive ink -- a multichannel analog memory on velum we played back by rolling a wirewound power resistor over it. The traces had information on pitch, noise, formant frequencies and Q's and so on -- this thing played back speech that sounded like the original speaker and only needed a few hundred bits/second to work (making the crypto a lot easer for obvious reasons). If you needed to edit the chart, you'd just take an exacto knife, knock off the silver paint, re paint, and good to go. It was fun playing with chart speed and direction to make the speaker talk fast, slow or backwards without changing anything else about the sound. The analyzer that produced the bits in the first place took two large racks of boards based on Ge transistor my Dad designed and built -- and he was a good tech too, it's purty. We really didn't have opamps then, other than Philbrick tube types (not suitable for airplanes or tanks) so for making formant filters for speech generation, we used some special inductors that could be tuned with a current, made by UTC. By varying the current, you could change the inductance via a non linear u in the special core material, without changing Q too much, they were cool, and I still have a mini vocoder that runs off a joystick and switch/pot input we used on some of our early rock and roll recordings. (we didn't give NSA all the good stuff...) Some of the other cool stuff is miniature radios, some things we found we don't even know what they are, some special navy comm system things, signal analyzers and so forth. Only a geek could love some of this. We had so much when Dad died (plenty to keep my busy for the rest of my own life if I only played with just that, which I don't) we gave it to NSA so other people could admire it. Enjoy! Now I do other things -- www.coultersmithing.com

    --
    Why guess when you can know? Measure!
    1. Re:My family has donated some cool gear to this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I might have believed it if you didn't plug some wacky site at the end.

  32. yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Schneier's popularity must be going down as this is not even news much less new news. Yes it is a nice place and one day I would like to look at the 40+ year old hardware they have there, but why would I?