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Study Says Your Personality Doesn't Change After 1st Grade

A study authored by Christopher Nave, a doctoral candidate at the University of California, says that our personalities stay pretty much the same from early childhood all the way through old age. From the article: "Using data from a 1960s study of approximately 2,400 ethnically diverse schoolchildren (grades 1 - 6) in Hawaii, researchers compared teacher personality ratings of the students with videotaped interviews of 144 of those individuals 40 years later. They examined four personality attributes - talkativeness (called verbal fluency), adaptability (cope well with new situations), impulsiveness and self-minimizing behavior (essentially being humble to the point of minimizing one's importance)." This must explain my overriding need to be first captain when we pick kickball teams at the office.

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  1. Not true by stanlyb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes and no. Yes, it does not change, in fact it does not change since your first day, simply because your DNA is already setup, and ready to go. And NO, it does change, if you are willing to learn.

    1. Re:Not true by AnonymousClown · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes and no. Yes, it does not change, in fact it does not change since your first day, simply because your DNA is already setup, and ready to go. And NO, it does change, if you are willing to learn.

      A couple of years ago, I bumped into an old friend that I lost touch with. Long story short, he said that I am a completely different person than the guy he met 15 years ago. I believe I am an outlier, though. I spent over a decade and almost $70,000 of my own money on personal growth.

      A person can and does change when they want to.

      On the other hand, I was told by a professional that I really didn't change, per se, and that the old person was really a "false self" and that I becoming the real "me".

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    2. Re:Not true by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does this mean I've just been a jerk since the first grade? No wonder I don't like my inner child.

    3. Re:Not true by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

      $70,000 of drugs and hookers would change anyone's personality.

    4. Re:Not true by oldspewey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I spent over a decade and almost $70,000 of my own money on personal growth.

      I'm trying really hard not to be cynical here, but how does somebody spend $70K on personal growth? I've had the occasional habit throughout my life of being a bit of a rube, and spending money on "experts." My observations so far have been:

      1. People who claim to be able to help other people are generally very good at helping themselves, and not really very good at helping others
      2. Unless you are committed to change, there are no people, systems, books, or retreats that are going to do a damned thing no matter how expensive they may be
      3. Numerous people in my life who care about me would have had me stripped naked and publicly flogged - for my own good of course - before I got anywhere close to spending $70K on "personal development"
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    5. Re:Not true by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Depends, 70k in education would be personal development money. And depending upon what you spent it on, that could be money well spent. Or it could be pissing it down a hole as well. Really depends.

      Also, if being stripped naked and publicly flogged is your thing, you can get a lot of that action for 70k.

    6. Re:Not true by jockeys · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I spent over a decade and almost $70,000 of my own money on personal growth.

      I'm trying really hard not to be cynical here, but how does somebody spend $70K on personal growth?

      college?

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    7. Re:Not true by Belial6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The question of whether people are shaped by nature or nurture is easy. The answer is "yes".

    8. Re:Not true by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That may be a realistic figure, but that doesn't make it reasonable.

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    9. Re:Not true by INT_QRK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Having raised a significant number of children to adulthood and through college, I feel qualified to contribute the following anecdotal observations to such a debate: (1) each child arrives shrink-wrapped with his/her own unique personality from birth, with high-order traits ranging from fussy to content, alert to no-so, timid to adventurous, more verbal to more physical, etc.; (2) that basic personality evolves through childhood and is shaped by experiences and interactions with parents, siblings, and childhood friends; (3) in retrospect one can see (or at least rationalize) the evolution, but such evolution seems by no means so smooth or constraining as portrayed by such studies; and, most significant, (4) such studies appear every bit as absolutely worthless in any practical sense as nearly all books on child rearing. Yes, as a new parent I went to classes, read books and even "coached" ridiculously with "he-he-hoo-hoo's" with the best of them. I rushed the first baby to the doctor at every sniffle or fervor, and fretted every "percentile" comparison chart entry by every "peeds" nurse. By the 3rd, 4th and 5th kid, one progressively realizes that most of the anxiety is worthless. As a parent, one can only do what one can do and hope for the best. Any experienced parent will eventually throw away all parenting books and ignore most psychological studies unless medical in nature and directly relevant to a specific issue. But then again, even social scientists need to eat, I guess...

    10. Re:Not true by P0ltergeist333 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I spent over a decade and almost $70,000 of my own money on personal growth.

      I'm trying really hard not to be cynical here, but how does somebody spend $70K on personal growth?

      My guess would be L Ron Hoover's First Church of Appliantology.

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    11. Re:Not true by Darinbob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was certainly not a curmudgeon in the first grade!

    12. Re:Not true by default+luser · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm a changed person from when I was in high school. Back then, I was an asshole who craved attention - so I egged people on and played the victim card. I was loud and obnoxious, but I actually wasn't very happy.

      Fifteen years later, you wouldn't recognize me. I've made an active effort to bury my asshole urges - they're still there, but I don't give in to them very often. Also, I've found reasons to love myself (work out regularly, accomplish career goals, meet new friends, etc.), and that's made me a happier person. It's a lot easier to bury your asshole streak when you have real confidence and a smile on your face.

      I don't think your personality is just coded in your genes - I think your personality is partially a survival mechanism developed in-response to the people around you. My sister and I had completely different personalities growing up, but now we're very similar - same genes, but different personalities at different stages of life. I think your genes have an influence, but it is your willpower that makes the final determination - and early in life, when you have no awareness of your "self," you create your personality blindly in response to external stimuli.

      If the story is correct, and most people have the same personality as they did when they were 6 years old, I feel sorry for them. When you are 6, you have no idea what is really going on in the world, but you are forced to form a personality anyway. It's sad to think that people feel they cannot change something so important in their lives...because they can, if they really want to.

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    13. Re:Not true by twitchingbug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is everyone slamming this guy for spending 70k on himself? It's his money, obviously he thought it was worth it. Sounds like he is a better person for it all around. I applaud you, sir. Not everyone is as brave as you are. Not everyone has the strength to face their own demons.

    14. Re:Not true by PatHMV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, but.... as the (by far) oldest of a family of 7 kids (12 years between me and my closest sibling, 29 years between me and the youngest one), I have some experience in this area myself. The thing with your insight about the anxiety of the new parent being useless is that there are also a fair number of studies which show that birth order DOES make a difference in the personality of children. I think there is plenty of room to wonder whether the lessening anxiety you describe (like the old joke... first kid, the pacifier falls on the floor, you sterilize it before giving it back; 2nd kid, you rinse it off then stick it back in his mouth; 3rd kid's lucky if you wipe it off before you give it back) does have a significant impact in how the child develops.

    15. Re:Not true by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      there are also a fair number of studies which show that birth order DOES make a difference in the personality of children. I think there is plenty of room to wonder whether the lessening (parental) anxiety you describe...does have a significant impact

      It could also have just as much to do with having older siblings.

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    16. Re:Not true by stupkid · · Score: 2, Funny

      I spent over a decade and almost $70,000 of my own money on personal growth.

      That's a lot for "male enhancement". :p

    17. Re:Not true by Weirsbaski · · Score: 2, Funny

      I spent over a decade and almost $70,000 of my own money on personal growth.

      I'm trying really hard not to be cynical here, but how does somebody spend $70K on personal growth?

      college?

      scientology?

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    18. Re:Not true by ppanon · · Score: 2, Informative

      More to the point, there's evidence that subsequent births affects the womb and hormonal mix in ways that affect child development and personality in at least one significant way. So it wouldn't be surprising if it had other developmental effects.

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    19. Re:Not true by Ihmhi · · Score: 2, Funny

      So you're like, what, the fourth or fifth oldest kid in your family?

  2. How many of those kids .. by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 3, Interesting

    took acid later in life?

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    1. Re:How many of those kids .. by Abreu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or how many suffered a deeply traumatic experience later...?

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    2. Re:How many of those kids .. by Steauengeglase · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Namely Middle School for boys and High School for girls.

  3. That's absolutely right! by e065c8515d206cb0e190 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I still pull girls hair and play with my wiener.

  4. Not true by XPeter · · Score: 2, Funny

    In 1st grade... I was quiet and geeky.

    10 years later... I'm still quiet and geeky.

    Damnit.

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  5. Hawaii? by suso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hawaii, yeah that's a pretty typical place, I'm sure it being studied in Hawaii won't skew the results.

    It probably won't because the results sound right, but still, in the interest of science, I would have been more satisfied if they would have done the study in more than one area of the country/world.

    I was also annoyed by my 1st grade teacher not teaching us the Cyrillic and Japanese alphabet as well as the Latin one.

  6. Re:Nature vs Nurture by Da+Cheez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only if personality were set at conception. This is saying that personality is set well after first grade. The personality formed by that stage of life could be due to nurture or nature. It's only nature that makes it stick after it's been set.
    Just my .02 cents.

  7. Still prefer to be alone.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I distinctly remember my Second Grade class and how much I preferred to be alone. We had group reading assignments but I didn't enjoy them, nor did I enjoy many other group activities. In Fifth grade I had a psychological assessment (for Gifted/Advanced students, but I was nothing special). The report, which I read many years later, said that I was quiet, quite shy, but had exceptional command of language, and so on. This was before autism was readily diagnosed, and I suspect that had I been tested 15 years later, I would be labeled mildy autistic.

    In college, though I was involved in many groups, I still preferred to run off by myself. Fast forward 20 years and it's still the same. I'm involved in a sports team, clubs, etc., but it's almost as if I'm pretending. I do the team activities, give talks, am involved in film making (one of the most extroverted activities I can imagine). People tell me that I am a great speaker and they feel that I relate well, but even to this day I approach conversations in a methodical way: listen, confirm understanding, ask questions, repeat. This pretense is precisely because I enjoy being alone and I found it much easier to pretend to be well-adjusted and sociable than to just tell everyone how I really felt.

    1. Re:Still prefer to be alone.. by Abstrackt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I distinctly remember my Second Grade class and how much I preferred to be alone. We had group reading assignments but I didn't enjoy them, nor did I enjoy many other group activities. In Fifth grade I had a psychological assessment (for Gifted/Advanced students, but I was nothing special). The report, which I read many years later, said that I was quiet, quite shy, but had exceptional command of language, and so on. This was before autism was readily diagnosed, and I suspect that had I been tested 15 years later, I would be labeled mildy autistic.

      In college, though I was involved in many groups, I still preferred to run off by myself. Fast forward 20 years and it's still the same. I'm involved in a sports team, clubs, etc., but it's almost as if I'm pretending. I do the team activities, give talks, am involved in film making (one of the most extroverted activities I can imagine). People tell me that I am a great speaker and they feel that I relate well, but even to this day I approach conversations in a methodical way: listen, confirm understanding, ask questions, repeat. This pretense is precisely because I enjoy being alone and I found it much easier to pretend to be well-adjusted and sociable than to just tell everyone how I really felt.

      It's sad that introverts have to pretend to be extroverts to get by in so many situations. You're not maladjusted or broken just because you don't want to be surrounded by people at all times, despite what people might say. I'm a strong introvert (I don't hate being around people, it just drains me) but I love giving speeches or acting because it lets me bring my thoughts and emotions out in a way that doesn't directly involve interaction with others. At the end of the day, nothing makes me happier than getting the hell out of the office where everyone and everything is clamoring for my attention and reading a book or playing a game of chess with a stranger online.

      If you're looking for a good read, I'd like to recommend Introvert Power by Laurie Helgoe. It is a self-help book but it provides some very interesting insights into how you operate, it will make you feel a bit better about it as well as offer ideas on how to deal with the rest of the world. The short version is this: introverts make up approximately half the world's population, setting up a quiet space in your home will go a long way (earplugs work wonders at home and the office, seriously), and it's okay to stay home instead of go out.

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  9. About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've been waiting for somebody to answer the age-old question:

    Were you born an a-hole or did you work on it your whole life?

  10. Re:I have 100% changed. by hedwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I tend to agree as well, I've gone through massive swings in personality and interest over the years. It took a lot of work, but I am very different than I was back then. There probably is an element of truth in that inertia is likely set by that point. In that one tends to have to fight if one doesn't want to be type cast permanently. There's a lot of reinforcement that goes on and a lot of pressure not to rock the boat by changing.

  11. You insensitive clod! by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not every first grader has a $70,000 allowance.

    OTOH, this may explain Charlie Sheen.

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  12. Very Very old news by cellocgw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hasn't anyone besides me seen the 7-UP series?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_Series

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  13. Re:I have 100% changed. by clifyt · · Score: 3, Informative

    "I was an extreme introvert...I'm meeting plenty of random people all the time"

    Wait? How does this disprove or prove your introversion and or change to extroversion?

    People think not being around others is introversion...and it isn't. It is where do you get your energy from. An extrovert will find energy by being around people in ANY activity...not just ones that are hand chosen. An introvert generally has to be in their comfort zone before they can deal with others...they are able to gain more energy from their comfort zone that they may now expend on being around others.

    I am a HUGE introvert...and I was a stage performing / touring musician for years. Being an introvert, it make aquiring people skills a little harder, but I made them...and when I did I was able to seem very outgoing under certain circumstances.

    BTW -- the sports you list? Very introvert friendly...they are all about being able to focus on you internally, and less about the external.

    That said, personality generally is set early on...but people can make a concerted effort (or even a situational one) and change with time. If you were in one of my grad courses, my profs would have used you as an example of not knowing what introversion and extroversion are...then again, unless you are in the field, I wouldn't expect someone to require in depth knowledge (and yeah, the standard def is pretty accurate for 90% of what people use it for).

  14. Re:I have 100% changed. by thePig · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The point might be that - your behaviour at 40 is the same as your behaviour at 5. The in between stages are not considered - since people do change a lot through the years. But in the end, you mostly reach your behaviour back at 5.

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  15. Re:Oh Yeah? by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your wife may not have changed at all. It may be just that her environment changed, and thus her completely consistent reactions to the new environment makes it look like she changed.

    I am going to make a big assumption here, so please excuse me if I am wrong. I assume that your wife was previously fat. REALLY fat. I will also assume that she lost a HUGE amount of weight from that operation.

    There is a common misconception that women are 'natural nurturers'. This isn't the case. Women (like men) have a tendency to be self serving. Making things about them. It is extremely common for that self serving attitude to be confused with being nurturing. This happens because women are generally given higher social status if they are 'good mothers' than if they are not. People look for all sorts of way to get personal gain. Frequently that gain is social status.

    The more attractive a woman is, the more attention she will receive from men. The more money and goods that will be given to her, and all around the easier it will be for her to find things other than her kids to fulfill her sociopathic tendencies.

    I don't know your wife, so I cannot say whether this is really true of her or not, but having a woman who goes from fat and centered on her kids to skinny and ignoring them fits plenty well in the hypothesis presented in the summary.

  16. Temperament vs. Personality by DCheesi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Temperament doesn't change; that is, your basic innate tendency to react one way or another. However, personality is more than just temperament; it also includes emotional scars, life lessons, and the results of concerted effort to control your innate tendencies.

    Basically, a naturally timid individual will never become a natural daredevil --though s/he might learn to fake it very well. In fact, sometimes people learn to fake it so well that they even manage to fool themselves, with the truth only revealed once the constant strain of impulse-denial and self-deception finally gets the better of them.

    But it's also possible to truly moderate one's responses, given the right life experiences and lots of hard work. It's not a matter of becoming the opposite of what you are, more of learning to rein in your natural responses when possible, and to compensate for what can't be controlled. You may not ever become, say, more extroverted than Mr. Popularity, but you can still make strides toward the middle of the spectrum, sometimes enough to make your old self seem like a completely different person.

  17. Re:Just had my 20th High School Reunion by bhartman34 · · Score: 2, Informative

    And for the vast majority of those people, all you ever had in common with them was that you were forced to occupy the same physical structure for 7 hours every day.

    The fact that you went to the same high school often (although maybe not always) indicates that you share at least a socioeconomic background and a cultural background (e.g., middle class kids go to public school, rich kids go to private school). The fact that you were in the same building also probably meant that you lived in the same neighborhood, knew the same people, etc. But after high school, most of those ties are at least at risk.

  18. Re:Perhaps... by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have known many women that followed that same path. They were generally sociopaths when they are young, and wanted the baby for selfish reasons. Some of them skip the bible thumping stage, but that seems to be a 50/50 mix. Just count yourself lucky. A sociopath ex-wife that ignores their kids is DRAMATICALLY better for you and your kids than a sociopath parent that sees personal benefit in using the kids.