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HP Board Sued Over Hurd Departure

Stoobalou writes "A shareholding company launched a lawsuit against Hewlett-Packard's board of directors earlier this week, claiming they bungled their fiduciary duties over the departure of CEO Mark Hurd. 'The HP board put shareholders' finances at risk by not telling them about the sexual harassment inquiry, and then later rewarded Hurd with an estimated $40 million severance package, the suit said. The board also failed to adequately police insider trading by HP executives, allowing Hurd and chief financial officer Cathie Lesjak to sell off HP stock in the midst of the inquiry, according to the suit, which was filed in California Superior Court.'" HP is also facing increased scrutiny from the unrelated bribery probe that began earlier this year when their Moscow offices were raided.

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  1. You don't get it by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Calm down HP shareholders. HP sucks because HP sucks. They've come a long way from the days when they made the best adding machines (and laser printers) in the world. Too bad most of it has been downhill. I just downloaded a 400MB file as, apparently, a driver for my printer. Then I found out that honestly it was 400MB of bloat and god knows what other hidden "features" that I "opted into" when I downloaded it. Good thing Microsoft had a copy of the real driver available through Windows Update.

    HP sucks, and Hurd's departure has nothing to do with it.

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    1. Re:You don't get it by godefroi · · Score: 4, Funny

      But how are you going to get special offers for ink and other supplies?

      WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE INK CARTRIDGES?

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    2. Re:You don't get it by cosm · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not necessarily. Retail PC's have some of the smallest profit margins, much of the bloat you see is there because its one of the few ways they can still get money (through the bloat providers). HP is no different that the majority of mainstream manufacturers. If you go to your local Best Buy, and pull the side of the case of a random sampling of machines, you will find that the only difference between most of them is the case. Internals tend to come from the same Chinese manufacturers owned by the same Japanese companies filled with investors from the same globalist corporations. Singling out HP in your "sucks" rant is a bit unfair, because these practices tend to be SOP for the majority of PC manufacturers.

      My advice. If you have any inkling of hardware knowledge, download the PC Gamer Building Bible, get out your Phillips, and enjoy the fruits of your labor. And if your doing the "family support" thing, reformat their machine for them with a clean OS install, setup a back-up routine, and install some LogMeIn free. Your headaches will slowly go away.

      A side anecdote, when I used to work at Circuit City, our managers would push us to sell an "Optimization Service" on brand new desktops and laptops, a service whose sole purpose was to remove the 3rd party bloat. I have never clicked uninstall more in my life (except for times I accidentally allowed an apple software update, sorry fanbois but dammit if they wont try to install their Bonjour, Itunes, and QuickTime on every machine on the planet to the grave.).

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    3. Re:You don't get it by Gr33nNight · · Score: 5, Informative

      You downloaded the wrong driver. You can download the entire printer driver suite which is 400 megs or just the plain vanilla driver which is around 5 megs. Not HP's fault you can't read.

    4. Re:You don't get it by retchdog · · Score: 1, Informative

      I once downloaded a ton of drivers to prepare to install my HP printer on ubuntu. I plugged the device in and braced myself for an hour+ of tedium and headache. Within half a minute, ubuntu autodetected the printer and printed a flawless test page.

      HP is clearly doing something wrong with software. You can play market-will-bear tricks with ink and supplies, without screwing the driver/interface.

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    5. Re:You don't get it by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Isn't it easier to just nuke and pave? I've found it's safer, more reliable and faster to just reinstall the OS from clean media using the machine's license code.

    6. Re:You don't get it by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm very familiar with HP's printer drivers, and generally they don't make the driver itself available separately.

      This is particularly true of multifunction (printer, fax, scanner) devices. I don't think I've ever seen an HP driver for a multifunction device that wasn't bundled into their 400mb piece-of-shit document management software.

      It's been a while since I installed HP drivers, but the standard practice was to download the suite, unpack it somewhere, and dig until you find the inf and sys files for the printer. Then you can just install it manually.

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    7. Re:You don't get it by Ephemeriis · · Score: 3, Informative

      You downloaded the wrong driver. You can download the entire printer driver suite which is 400 megs or just the plain vanilla driver which is around 5 megs. Not HP's fault you can't read.

      It honestly depends on the printer.

      Some of them don't offer a "basic" driver download... And even some of the "basic" driver downloads are inordinately large.

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    8. Re:You don't get it by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here is the driver for an entry level multifunction printer. Look under "HP Deskjet Basic Drivers"

      Thinking more of business grade devices? Here is the driver for a business grade multifunction printer. Again, look under "HP Officejet Basic Print and Scan Driver"

      I'm sorry to say it, but you are empirically wrong.

    9. Re:You don't get it by FreonTrip · · Score: 1

      Easier, yes, but according to the agreement(s) you agree to when starting the PC for the first time that might invalidate the PC's warranty. That kind of greasy dickery is hardly beyond them.

    10. Re:You don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "basic" driver for the entry level printer is 38 MB, and for the business grade printer is 135 MB. That's one seriously big INF file.

      And just because you found two printers that have "basic" downloads, doesn't mean all their printers have them.

    11. Re:You don't get it by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      This.

      Drivers are usually around 30MB now, but the print software (usually needed to take advantage of scanners, faxes) is the bloat.

      And I work there making those software packages.

    12. Re:You don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're trying to prove a universally quantified statement with an example. You need to brush up on your logic.

    13. Re:You don't get it by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      This is very helpful!

      Can I post here the next time I am having trouble finding a driver?

      I'm currently using a SAMSUNG 610N.

      it's frustrating because it assumes your I.P. address will NEVER change.

      Of course a few time a year there is a power outage and the addresses change so then I have to manually tweak the driver with th new IP address.

      Hmmm. Perhaps i need to put the printer and the router on a UPS. Of course then I might forget the fix.

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    14. Re:You don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True that... It took them just over five years to release a software patch such that their PhotoSmart series drivers recognizes when a printer has a duplexing receiver installed. So you'd get this annoying bogus error every time that says "Automatic double sided print module not installed", yet it'd still work if you clicked the option that forced it to continue. Honestly, they should have done some QC on that shit before they even put those printers on the market. But nooooo.

      The only reason HP gets away with it, is because all the other consumer grade photo ink jet printers are just as crap-tastic in equally annoying ways. If somebody entered that market with an actual quality product through and through, a lot of companies might be forced to wake up.

      Oh and HP does have some light "business use" drivers without bloat, but be prepared to forgo some of the scanner/fax features on your multifunction printer. Which seems a bit contrary to the point of having those features.

    15. Re:You don't get it by StayFrosty · · Score: 1

      You could set a static IP on your printer. Alternatively you could set a static DHCP lease on your DHCP server so the printer always gets the same IP address. Why the hell would you would have a print queue set to an IP that changes is beyond comprehension.

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    16. Re:You don't get it by alc6379 · · Score: 1

      Easier, yes, but according to the agreement(s) you agree to when starting the PC for the first time that might invalidate the PC's warranty. That kind of greasy dickery is hardly beyond them.

      Sorry that's just not true. Computer companies are bound by the terms of their warranties to make sure their hardware works. If you've installed another OS, or wiped what was there, they still have to troubleshoot and/or replace parts.

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    17. Re:You don't get it by TheRaven64 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      If you're not still living in the '80s, you probably have a higher-level networking protocol that does autodiscovery, so there's no need for the printer to have a fixed IP address.

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    18. Re:You don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE INK CARTRIDGES?

      Did you know that with Genuine HP Ink Cartridges, you get blacker blacks and fuller color?

      Find out how by visiting HP.com or talking with your nearest reseller.

      At HP we're all about innovation!

    19. Re:You don't get it by AVryhof · · Score: 1

      That's why I wish you could install CUPS + gimpprint/HPLIP/etc. as a printer driver for windows and let it handle the rest. Linux printing used to be pretty painful, but for the last 5 years or so, it's been a walk in the park compared to the Windows printer driver nightmares I have been facing.

      (things involving rebuilding the print spooler, USB Printing support, deleting certain registry keys and changing values for others)

      With the same printers under Ubuntu, I just plug it in, add a new printer in the control center and it works.... even network printers!

    20. Re:You don't get it by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      If you are using windows XP (can't comment on other systems since I don't use them much on machines that need to print) then the manufacturers tools will likely autodiscover the printer initially but once you've installed it a "port" will be created pointing at the printers IP and the driver will be set up pointing to that "port".

      So if you want it to keep working you need to get the printer onto a fixed IP (either by configuring a static IP on the printer or by configuring a fixed MAC to IP mapping on the DHCP server).

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    21. Re:You don't get it by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, my current router doesn't seem to offer fixed address as an option. Perhaps I need to replace it. It is fairly old (6 years?).

      The computers are XP, Vista, and Win7.

      They are fine- the printer is an issue tho it is easy to address when things reboot.

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    22. Re:You don't get it by StayFrosty · · Score: 1

      In that case you should be able to set the static IP right on the printer. Make sure the IP you set is on the same subnet as the rest of your machines but outside of the DHCP server's scope. On most home routers, setting an IP with the last digit as less than 100 will accomplish this.

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    23. Re:You don't get it by StayFrosty · · Score: 1

      Next up, why does my web server stop working every time my router reboots? Taking the 5 extra minutes to set a static IP is worth it considering the hassles these "higher level networking protocols" provide along with their functionality. Seriously, what are the disadvantages of a static IP that make the hassles of Avahi worth it?

      Protocols like Avahi, Bonjour, or whatever your platform of choice uses are great for initially discovering the printer, but to use this to dynamically generate a port every time the driver is loaded or every time a print job is sent is an insane waste of resources. This woule be especially apparent if you have several printers of the same model on the network and have not changed the unique ID. By the time you go in through the printer's interface to set the hostname, you may as well set a static IP. Setting the port to the printer's hostname would be a better solution if the IP must be dynamic.

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    24. Re:You don't get it by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I'll give that a shot. It looks like the printer has a static ip setting.
      Going to wait until I'm rested since I'll probably have to update the drivers one last time.

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    25. Re:You don't get it by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I guess I have a different perspective as a laptop user. I often print on different networks and whenever I do, I always browser for the nearest printer, select it, and press print. My OS caches the last few printers in a list, so I can easily select one (by name, not IP - the IP is rediscovered every time) that I've printed to before.

      I don't really know what you mean by 'use this to dynamically generate a port every time the driver is loaded' - changing the IP address of the destination printer is just a matter of the driver passing different parameters to connect(). There's no 'insane waste of resources,' it's just a matter of sending a few service discovery packets, with a total bandwidth usage of under 10KB - much less than the size of a typical print job.

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    26. Re:You don't get it by FreonTrip · · Score: 1

      I meant in terms of software support, but thanks for calling me on that.

  2. HOW much of a golden parachute? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this is insane. totally insane amount of money. none of us here, likely, will ever see even 1/100 of that amount of money on our lifetimes.

    keep giving CEO's those huge salaries even after they have done wrong and you'll keep attracting the WRONG PEOPLE to the position.

    pretty simple. want honest ceo's? stop giving them a theif's booty for a paycheck. if you make the job just a bit more than what the rest of us make, maybe we'll see some honest people taking those jobs for a change.

    (never met a ceo that I didn't have to count my hands after I shook his.)

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    1. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that a 40 million dollar severance package for sexual harassment is "insane". I would be willing to sexually harass some-one for HALF that amount, thus saving the shareholders 20 million dollars.

      Boards of directors, shareholders, and children alike can learn a lot from my conservative leadership style.

    2. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Better idea - sue the shareholders suing the board of directors for further damaging the company with their lawsuit. Then watch the legal system swallow it's tail and do an Ouroborus.

    3. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you radically underestimate how many people on here will collect $400 000 over their lifetimes, in savings etc. I'll grant that not a lot of people will get a single payout like that, but then, I bet some will when they sell a house to move somewhere cheaper.

      I also expect that there are some really rich fucks that read slashdot who will see 40 million in their lifetimes. Though I can easily believe that none of them will read this particular thread.

    4. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by HarvardAce · · Score: 1

      none of us here, likely, will ever see even 1/100 of that amount of money on our lifetimes.

      You're off by an order of magnitude...1/100 of $40 million is $400,000. Even someone making $5/hour working full time for 40 years will make $400,000.

      want honest ceo's? stop giving them a theif's booty for a paycheck.

      Like the CEO of Citigroup, who earned $128,751 last year (source)? Or maybe you would prefer the outgoing CEO of Bank of America last year, who made $32,171 (source). Of course, the outgoing CEO of BofA also got a nice package worth tens of millions of dollars on his way out, so that's probably a bad example.

      The bottom line is that neither company has done very well, and the amount of money a CEO is paid doesn't seem to be inversely related to the quality of the CEO as you seem to claim...

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    5. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you radically underestimate how many people on here will collect $400 000 over their lifetimes, in savings etc. I'll grant that not a lot of people will get a single payout like that, but then, I bet some will when they sell a house to move somewhere cheaper.

      I also expect that there are some really rich fucks that read slashdot who will see 40 million in their lifetimes. Though I can easily believe that none of them will read this particular thread.

      Woz qualifies as a really rich fuck who reads (and comments on) Slashdot. Although I'm not sure I think he's a fuck.

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    6. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You do realize Hurd saved HP billions of dollars, right? He turned that company around.

      Frankly, $40mil is not a bad deal for what they got.

      The only real downside is he acted like a dumbass and they had to fire him to save face. They still need his help over there.

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    7. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 0
      40 Million payout. 1/100th of that payout is 400K.

      Frankly, I have about 1/2 of that in accounts now at 40. I plan on having about 1/20th of that by the time I retire in 25 years. That said - the guy was fired for cause - why are you paying him off with a golden parachute. If I wrote a fraudulent expense report for a few hundred dollars, I expect I would be fired and the police knocking on my door asking some questions about my behavior.

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    8. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by cowscows · · Score: 1

      CEO's are paid in ways other than just a salary. Even the ones who get a big fat yearly paycheck still tend to make even more off of stock options and such. To pretend that the CEO of Bank of America was living on 32k is silly.

      And while it's true that $400,000 isn't that much over the course of a lifetime, I think the grandparent's comment was true in the sense that most people will never see a lump sum of anywhere near that. They certainly shouldn't expect it as a severance package if they lose their job.

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    9. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by zero_out · · Score: 1

      The average lifetime earnings of someone with just a HS diploma is about $1.2M. 1/100th of $40M is $400K.

      Remember, Steve Jobs never even attained a Bachelor degree, and how much does he make? Bill Gates? I don't know that either of them participate here on /., but Steve Wozniak does (or at least did within the last two years), and he didn't earn his Bachelor degree until 10 years after founding Apple.

      This may be a bit off topic, but you really need to be careful about using absolute, blanket terms, especially when you're trying to argue a point. In general, I agree that CEOs are making a LOT more money than they should. When someone I know very well was laid off from HP a year ago, their severance package didn't come anywhere close to $40M, and that person is absolutely disgusted by this.

    10. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by smellsofbikes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (never met a ceo that I didn't have to count my hands after I shook his.)

      I have. His name was Dave Packard. Back when HP was a real company they used to have company picnics and sometimes he'd come out to the Colorado picnic and help cook hot dogs. He didn't NEED to cook hot dogs, but it gave him a chance to talk to everyone, including the people whose jobs consisted of winding transformers or running the sheet metal stamps... back when HP actually MADE stuff.

      Of course, he was proud of the fact that as CEO he made less than five times the starting salary of an engineer, because he felt it was his duty to the company that employed him to put money back into the company rather than into his pocket.

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    11. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Da_Biz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think both Warren Buffett and Peter Drucker (ostensibly, two luminaries in the business world) have both railed against excessive executive compensation.

      Warren Buffett was even booted off of several executive comp committees a few years ago for having this nebulous value.

    12. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by sjames · · Score: 1

      For 35 million dollars, I'll be willing to not cook the books, falsify expenses, or screw any contractors or interns. I'll even be willing to lose a few rounds of golf so their clients can somehow feel good about themselves. Hell, if they act now, I'll do it for 29 million.

    13. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Da_Biz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Many CEOs of Fortune 100 or 500 companies are compensated heavily in stock options. Proponents of this theorize that this ties company performance more closely to CEO compensation.

      I theorize that, structured wrong, this causes CEOs to engage in focusing on near-term benefit rather than long-term stability and sustainability.

    14. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 1

      Frankly, I have about 1/2 of that in accounts now at 40. I plan on having about 1/20th of that by the time I retire

      I don't know whether to channel math nazi or grammar nazi.

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    15. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by HarvardAce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      CEO's are paid in ways other than just a salary.

      The links I provided include in their figures these "other ways" that CEO's are compensated. While you could argue about the dollar amount of these forms of compensation, the companies that compile these sorts of data are fairly accurate in the present-day value of these alternative forms of compensation. Obviously, while his awards and salary may only have been $32k this year, I'm sure he is continuing to make money on compensation from prior years, whether it is through vesting or market appreciation of his options/grants/etc. Heck, even if he put $10 million of his compensation from last year into a savings account that paid 1% he'd still be making $100,000 a year off of it.

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    16. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For 35 million dollars, I'll be willing to not cook the books, falsify expenses, or screw any contractors or interns.

      And I'd be willing to screw the contractors *and* interns for FREE (as in beer)!

    17. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Rary · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People like Dave Packard are different from most CEOs. The main difference is that he built the company.

      CEOs who actually built the company are more likely to care about the long term health of the company and its employees. Career CEOs, on the other hand, care about the short term illusion of health, or, more accurately, the money they can pocket based on that illusion before pulling the ripcord on their golden parachute and moving on.

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    18. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't that the money was given after the termination, but that it was agreed upon PRIOR to hiring Hurd and that the contract didn't stipulate a zero bonus clause if the termination was due to misconduct. Even then, boards can do stupid things like allow a "consensus" resignation which technically skirts the definition of a "termination" allowing the CEO to make off with the contractually guaranteed severance bonus despite the malfeasance.

    19. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by eulernet · · Score: 1

      His name was Dave Packard.

      Dave Packard ?

      Sorry, I have no idea who this Packard is...

    20. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      this is insane. totally insane amount of money. none of us here, likely, will ever see even 1/100 of that amount of money on our lifetimes.

      1/100th of $40 million is only $400,000. Assuming you work for 30 years (most of us will work more) you'd have to make less than $14k per year to make less than that - WELL below the poverty line.

      Just being pedantic for the sake of doing so ;).

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    21. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Do you mean it will be un Hurd of.

    22. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 2, Funny

      He turned that company around.

      I hate to defend the guy, but you have to admit that he knows how to make money. True, he did it by bludgeoning the staff, but from a strictly Wall Street point of view, he was definitely worth the salary.

    23. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by gangien · · Score: 1

      adam savage reads /. though i'm not sure if he has over 40 million.

    24. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by yttrstein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What it causes, directly, is insider trading. Proponents of heavy stock option compensation as opposed to heavy cash compensation are criminals, and should be treated as such.

    25. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I'll race you to the bottom - 20 million.

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    26. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      14k is well below the poverty line? Someone should have told that to me when I was making 10k/year...

    27. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      The poverty line is a defined number.

      It was possibly a little off for the $14k value if you're single. In 2009 the poverty line in the US was defined at $11,161 per year for a single person. For a family of 4 it is $21,756 per year. If you were at $10k per year though, unless it was quite a while back, then you were indeed under the poverty line (assuming you're from the US - the figure varies by location).

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    28. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by jewishbaconzombies · · Score: 1

      That's why you won't pull in those numbers. Nice guys finish last - and don't make good CEOs. Look around. Every CEO regards themselves as leading a war of some kind and are basically sociopaths.

    29. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      I'm from Canada, the poverty line is actually something to the tune of 15-30% higher here most of the time I believe.

      Sadly it wasn't THAT long ago, on the other hand I don't miss it, but I wouldn't have considered myself poor at the time either... maybe I'm just better with my money than most.

    30. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suing your shareholders would make owning the stock toxic and send its value through the floor. Actually that's an interesting approach to blackmail. Then again a suit that frivolous on its face would never make it up the steps and would be followed by an immediate board ouster, so it's more like a Blazing Saddles hostage situation...

    31. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by sjames · · Score: 1

      You better either get the beer up front or at least have a look at the interns first.

    32. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course, he was proud of the fact that as CEO he made less than five times the starting salary of an engineer, because he felt it was his duty to the company that employed him to put money back into the company rather than into his pocket.

      Not to disagree with the rest of your post, but there is a reason very large shareholders (like founders, or family members of founders) pay themselves up to as little as $1 in salary. It's called tax-avoidance.

      If you take Ross Perot for instance, I recall he was paying himself almost nothing in salary, but that's because he would have paid a much higher tax bill otherwise. Overall, I think the book "Millionaire Next Door" said that Ross Perot succeeded in paying only 6% of taxes from the money he was making himself each year. And I'm not just speaking of capital gains/dividend taxes, if I remember correctly Ross Perot was able to funnel a lot of his money out of EDS untaxed through: trust funds, selling equity, tax-deferred municipal bonds, and various other means.

    33. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      here in the bay area, I have seen so few 'long term' ceos. ie, in one company for a long time. they all move around and even founders get bought out and move on. very typical here in the valley.

      never met dave packard and maybe he was an ok guy; but the fact that you 'saw him serve hot dogs' is far from sufficient proof that he's not off stabbing some other corp guy in the back after the food is over.

      I'm not saying that ceo's are all evil at the start; but the job *makes* you that way. I also don't believe its currently possible for a president or leader of a country to stay honest during his reign in office. its just that too much power corrupts. corrupts ALL. and ceo's (american ceo's at least) have WAY too much power. they are only human. and giving any one man that much power is a huge mistake.

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    34. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by hitmark · · Score: 1

      also known as pump&dump.

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    35. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by complacence · · Score: 1

      Easy workaround: Give them non-tradable stock?

    36. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by alexo · · Score: 1

      Frankly, $40mil is not a bad deal for what they got.

      They paid him a salary + stock options for what they got.
      They paid him an additional $40M (plus stock options?) for conduct unbecoming.

    37. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by ppanon · · Score: 1

      More to the point, I expect stock option compensation also allows them to dodge income taxes. They probably pay capital gains tax on the price differential when they exercise the stock options, instead of higher income tax percentages on an equivalent income. No wonder they're willing to keep their official income within the lowest tax bracket if the really big paycheck is deferred income that's taxed far lower than the regular employees.

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    38. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      There's a simple solution to this, which I've described before. Hold the stock in trust and only allow it to be traded after a certain number of years, e.g. 10% of it per year (cumulative), so you can trade all of the stock awarded in one year after ten years. The company needs to be in good shape for several years after they leave for them to profit.

      If you're going to hire sociopaths, you need to make certain that their interests align with yours.

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    39. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by CrashandDie · · Score: 1

      Actually, Adam claimed he didn't have $20k to put in a massive obsession of his (own his own dodo skeleton), and he also said that he doesn't read slashdot comments, for the same reason he doesn't read the Discovery boards, as he doesn't "want to put himself up for that kind of abuse".

    40. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Unless he plans to spend it all.....

      Of course, he was referring to 1/2 of the $400k and 1/20 of the $40m.

    41. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by gangien · · Score: 1

      while i could believe he doesn't read the comments, how could he not have 20k..

    42. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is insane. totally insane amount of money. none of us here, likely, will ever see even 1/100 of that amount of money on our lifetimes.

      keep giving CEO's those huge salaries even after they have done wrong and you'll keep attracting the WRONG PEOPLE to the position.

      pretty simple. want honest ceo's? stop giving them a theif's booty for a paycheck. if you make the job just a bit more than what the rest of us make, maybe we'll see some honest people taking those jobs for a change.

      (never met a ceo that I didn't have to count my hands after I shook his.)

      On the other hand, look at Palm - a company with several great ideas (the original Palm PDA was a delight to use) ruined because of bad management. It is popular on Slashdot to whine about how unfair the compensation system is for C*O vs. the engineers, and every time a C*O screws up people wonder why he got paid as much as he did. But a bad CEO can absolutely run a company into the ground. A good CEO can boost a companies profits like crazy.

      And these packages and golden parachutes are often written into their contract. Programmers/Engineers are dime-a-dozen and most are replaceable (there are exceptions of course). The technicians don't get to negotiate their compensation like CEOs do - especially when the whole organization is made/broken by their decisions. If a CEO threatens for a raise/quit or something similar, the money will be found. Lets see some /.ers try to pull that off...

      The engineers don't really decide the fate of the company - and they can be easily replaced. That is why the C*O get paid a lot.

    43. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Hold the stock in trust and only allow it to be traded after a certain number of years, e.g. 10% of it per year (cumulative), so you can trade all of the stock awarded in one year after ten years. The company needs to be in good shape for several years after they leave for them to profit.
      That would work if it wasn't for things like short selling and put options :/

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    44. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Macrat · · Score: 1

      Woz qualifies as a really rich fuck who reads (and comments on) Slashdot. Although I'm not sure I think he's a fuck.

      You'll have to ask Kathy Griffin about that.

    45. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone whose company just got purchased by HP, I have to wonder if you realize how Hurd "saved" HP money. Everything I've seen so far is just screaming that he "saved" money by focusing on the short term. He's cut all sorts of things that are great for the bottom line this quarter, but are going to be long-term killers.

      Of course, I guess it doesn't matter for him. He's got his pile and he's gone.

    46. Re:HOW much of a golden parachute? by wrook · · Score: 1

      Actually, focusing on near-term benefit is the best case scenario. Offering stock options merely destabilizes the stock. In order to maximize the profit from your stock options you really want to drive the price down when the options are being granted and drive it back up when the options are being sold. Even with full disclosure and trading windows in place it is quite easy to time announcements (or stuff your sales channels or whatever) to get the effect you want. I invite you to track stock price against stock option granting in any large company.

  3. this is backdoor regulation by alen · · Score: 1

    the government can't tell public companies how to pay their employees and officers. but governments are huge share holders in public companies via their pension funds and are now using them to sue or force regulation that they can't via the legislature.

    1. Re:this is backdoor regulation by godefroi · · Score: 1

      What regulation are they looking to impose? It's not clear at all to me...

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    2. Re:this is backdoor regulation by Third+Position · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but being a major shareholder is a legitimate position from which to have a say in how a company conducts itself. Maybe the problem is that governments should be prohibited from owning interests in public and private corporations.

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    3. Re:this is backdoor regulation by alen · · Score: 1

      paying employees bonuses or severance packages in this case

    4. Re:this is backdoor regulation by localman57 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting thought. What, then, should the government do with various savings accounts such as pensions? (Think in terms of smaller municipal or state retirement management agencies, not Federal, so we don't end up in an argument about the federal reserve, or national debt). In order to earn a return, the money must be "doing" something. Should we literally stack up $100 bills and store them in a warehouse? Or as an alternative, perhaps treasury bonds would be the other non-corporate option?

    5. Re:this is backdoor regulation by godefroi · · Score: 1

      Seems implausible. If you were a major shareholder, and you wanted to effect chance, you would, y'know, vote.

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    6. Re:this is backdoor regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting thought. What, then, should the government do with various savings accounts such as pensions?

      Convert the pensions to 401k.

    7. Re:this is backdoor regulation by locallyunscene · · Score: 1
      So gov't money should be forced to be illiquid? Sounds like a recipe for economic disaster.

      Also your "Third Position" mission Statement:

      The American Third Position exists to represent the political interests of White Americans, because no one else will.

      I guess this is the logical conclusion for the minarchist and bigoted parts of the Tea Party.

    8. Re:this is backdoor regulation by HarvardAce · · Score: 1

      Maybe the problem is that governments should be prohibited from owning interests in public and private corporations.

      Whether or not that is true, I think classifying a pension that covers people who happen to be government workers as "government" is a bit of a stretch. Pensions should have a fiduciary responsibility to the people who hold the pension, so any activity such as the lawsuit in the story should be driven by that responsibility, and should not be abused as a way for the government to interfere in private corporations. I haven't gone deep into the details of this particular case, but it seems like a legitimate gripe that has some similarities with the government initiatives by coincidence rather than indicating some subversive attempt by the government to control private interests.

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    9. Re:this is backdoor regulation by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      I knew some doofus would bring out that line. lol. and it isn't even Tuesday!

    10. Re:this is backdoor regulation by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about?

    11. Re:this is backdoor regulation by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      references to Tea party bigots, though in retrospect it appears as though you aren't tossing all Tea Party peeps in the same bucket. My apologies for the knee jerk. I'll have a doc check that out. heh.

    12. Re:this is backdoor regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting thought. What, then, should the government do with various savings accounts such as pensions?

      Convert the pensions to 401k.

      Having a 401k as your only retirement savings sucks because you end up taking on all of the market risk. If the market tanks just before you're planning to retire, then you can't retire.

    13. Re:this is backdoor regulation by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

      Ah, no problem. The Tea Party gets a lot of flak, but I do want to like it. I think the fact that it is so populist is both its strength and weakness in that it sucks in all of the populist undercurrents.

      Personally I would love to see the bigots move to the "Third Position" and have the Tea Party or Libertarian Party proper replace the Republican Party. That might force the Democratic Party to actually be Social Liberal and follow New Keynesian policy instead of the bastardized economic policy both parties compromise on.

    14. Re:this is backdoor regulation by nomadic · · Score: 1

      All, or almost all, pensions are actual discrete funds that are invested in the stock market; the problem with government pensions is they are not subject to the (rather strict) requirements of ERISA regarding how well-funded they have to be, which is why we're seeing so much trouble these days with public pensions, while most private pensions are in better shape.

    15. Re:this is backdoor regulation by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Yes, but being a major shareholder is a legitimate position from which to have a say in how a company conducts itself. Maybe the problem is that governments should be prohibited from owning interests in public and private corporations.

      Can you not read? GP said that governments have an interest via pension funds in corporations, and pension funds *are* major shareholders.

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  4. You say fiduciary, I say felatio, by Bocaj · · Score: 1

    let's just call the whole thing off. Seriously? I'm guessing they couldn't care less if CEOs where raping interns as long as they get a heads up early enough to dump the stock.

    1. Re:You say fiduciary, I say felatio, by localman57 · · Score: 1

      They do care. Because, generally speaking, you want your stock to go up, rather than having an opporunity to dump it just before it falls. Yeah, yeah, yeah, short-selling and all that, but in that case you're talking about speculators, not the BOD.

    2. Re:You say fiduciary, I say felatio, by jd · · Score: 1

      It depends on the company. Some companies are designed to self-destruct. The stock sky-rockets in value because that's what happens with high-risk companies, the directors bail before the shit hits the fan, the money then acquired is used to start up the next such company. Yes, there are companies that are designed specifically for this purpose. More often, it's a shell company that is not specifically designed to fail but does take on all of the really high-risk activities on behalf of the parent company. As such, it is bound to fail eventually. However, because it is high-risk, speculators buy the stock because it'll have the highest yield. I believe the name given to such companies are "the dogs". Again, if the BOD dump their stock the moment they suspect everything is about to implode, they can make a very tidy profit.

      The whole Enron fiasco was one of those two - hard to say which. What gets me most about the fallout from that is that such practices were commonplace long before Enron and still are commonplace. If you've a 409K plan report handy, look it over. High yield is always high risk, low yield is always low risk. When a company takes a dangerous gamble, it will either result in gigantic profits or a gigantic mess. Now, it's logical for all companies to take some leaps of faith, but when you see very specific companies only taking such gambles and other companies never doing so, you can see that things aren't quite.... what you'd expect.

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    3. Re:You say fiduciary, I say felatio, by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      exactly. higher stock price generally affects long term positions and longer term options, so short dumps are that great of a benefit to persons paid in options.

  5. Am I the only one... by easterberry · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who read that as "herp derpature"? Because really, that's an equally valid headline.

  6. Not a problem!! by SEE · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just replace Hurd with Linux!!

    1. Re:Not a problem!! by LaminatorX · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just as soon as it's finished.

    2. Re:Not a problem!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just replace Hurd with Linux!!

      So instead of Hurd fucking around with interns, you'll have interns fucking around with Linux?

      (Posting anonymously because it seemed funnier when I though it up.)

    3. Re:Not a problem!! by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's pretty sad when i read the title and went "But Hurd isn't even out yet!"

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    4. Re:Not a problem!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty sad when i read the title and went "But Hurd isn't even out yet!"

      Is the "sad" part that you misunderstood the title, or that you used the word "yet" in that sentence?

  7. boards and ceos scratch each other's back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's one business process they'll never outsource to India.

    1. Re:boards and ceos scratch each other's back by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      exactly. Hurd is on the board of Yahoo, and it is likely that other CEOs are board members at HP, or that HP board members are board members at other companies.

      It is corporate incest.

    2. Re:boards and ceos scratch each other's back by complacence · · Score: 1

      That's why it's good that people from "outside" (well, a shareholding company) sued. If only it wasn't such an idiotic case. I'm not saying Hurd was doing everything right, but there are far more people out there who did really, really bad things, and no one sued then.

      Why doesn't this whole suing people who fucked over the shareholders, fucked over the company itself, fucked over customers, government, environment, basically fucked over everyone except their close circle of "friends", and then the company and shareholders again via severance package-- why doesn't it happen much more often, as in every single time it's clear they did something against the law and morality, and still walk away with remuneration and the next executive job already in their pocket?

  8. Come on people, get it right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the last time, it's not HP/Hurd.

    It's GNU/HP/Hurd.

  9. The Hurd Mentality by aapold · · Score: 2, Funny

    They voted unanimously? That's the way I hurd it went down.

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  10. Insider trading? And a lack of ethics? by Even+on+Slashdot+FOE · · Score: 1

    In our stock market? Gasp!

  11. Oompa mow mow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hurd hurd hurd
    Hurd is the word
    Don't you know about the Hurd?
    Everybody knows that the Hurd is the word

  12. GNU/Hurd???? by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Funny

    I almost choked when I red the headline .. "Someone was actualy using Hurd???"

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    1. Re:GNU/Hurd???? by lennier1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Glad I'm not the only one who was immediately reminded of the "Duke Nukem Forever" of the Linux world.

    2. Re:GNU/Hurd???? by jd · · Score: 1

      It was the only OS they could get to work with the very strange hardware in the director-droid brains.

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    3. Re:GNU/Hurd???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the "Duke Nukem Forever" of the Linux world.

      You mean "the GNU world" or at least "the Free Software world".

  13. You would that that it is a good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I mean who wouldn't want the Turd to depart?

  14. Re:HE WAS NOT FIRED FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT! by localman57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah. And Bob got fired for using the company email for personal use. This isn't the criminal system where crimes have specific elements that must be met, leading to a specific range of senteces. If a corporation wants to fire you, they fire you, then go looking for a way to justify it.

  15. Status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, in light of all this, are they 'beleaguered' yet?

  16. Hey! by Jethro · · Score: 1

    That's GNU/Hurd!

    Oh wait.

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  17. lolol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just always assumed that HP was short for Herrrrp derrrP. Seems i'm not that far off.

  18. 1/10th of a gallon per person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 1 billion gallons figure, distributed across 40 years and the population, works out to about 1/10th of a gallon per person per year.

    harrumph

    1. Re:1/10th of a gallon per person by localman57 · · Score: 1

      The 1 billion gallons figure, distributed across 40 years and the population, works out to about 1/10th of a gallon per person per year.

      harrumph

      Wrong thread, dude...

  19. Hurd's Next Move by MrTripps · · Score: 1

    If we have learned anything from former HP CEO's that leave in disgrace is that they have a rosy future ahead in California politics.

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  20. Not the real story... by 787style · · Score: 1

    What people keep glossing over is the fact this man resigned for improper filing of expense reports. What CEO do you REALLY think files their own expense report? No director level or VP level executive does, they have admins who perform this task for them. Hurd couldn't fill out an expense report on a bet. He was forced out.

    1. Re:Not the real story... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      What people keep glossing over is the fact this man resigned for improper filing of expense reports. What CEO do you REALLY think files their own expense report? No director level or VP level executive does, they have admins who perform this task for them. Hurd couldn't fill out an expense report on a bet. He was forced out.

      The CEO would have to sign off his own expenses though.

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  21. Re:HE WAS NOT FIRED FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, he was fired for internal politics because other higher-ups wanted him to go. The fraudulent expense reports were just the justification for a decision made separately.

    The money in question amounted to $20k, which he offered to pay back. The severance amounted to $40m. Unless you want someone gone for other reasons, you don't worry about $20k when it comes to someone you pay $40m to leave.

    Don't you normally fire people who steal from you?

    Yes...but do you normally give them 2,000 times the amount they stole in severance?

  22. This is just an elaborate plot! by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    This is a plot by Richard Stallman to get GNU Hurd back in the news again.

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  23. And in a related story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gnu.org was sued for a missing Hurd.

  24. Slashdot needs a "business" section... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    ...for articles like this.

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  25. Suit will be thrown out quickly by rssrss · · Score: 1

    The Michael Eisner -- Disney Company -- Michael Ovitz saga Here, was more egregious than this. The court held that the directors were within their rights to let Ovitz yank the rip-cord on his golden parachute. I don't see why this case would be different.

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  26. I guess i'm behind the times. by kiljoy001 · · Score: 1

    I honestly thought they were talking about gnu/hurd and wondered why they were suing HP of all people.

  27. Extremely confused board of directors by Y-Crate · · Score: 1

    "But we thought people wanted Hurd to be finished?"

  28. He's not the worst HP CEO by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

    At least the market capitalization of HP went down by about ten billion dollars for this departure.

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  29. Re:HE WAS NOT FIRED FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was fired for falsifying expense reports. You know theft, and my bet is it was grand theft since it was a CEO sized expense report. The board should have toold Mr Hurd, RESIGN NOW, with nothing or we are referring this to the DA for prosecution. Mr Hurd could then either enjoy his golden parachute in jail or left. Since grand theft is probably more than a year in jail, that means the big house in cali. Places like San Quentin where you get to be put on fire fighting lines in your spare time. Personally, I hope the suit wins. It would be nice to see a board held to their fudiciary requirements.

  30. Hurd is working right now! by mangu · · Score: 1

    As I understood from TFA, they gave Hurd the boot. So, finally, someone is booting it, it's working!

  31. I have one word for that ... by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then again a suit that frivolous on its face would never make it up the steps and would be followed by an immediate board ouster

    SCO.

  32. Hurd saved them? by DesScorp · · Score: 1

    You do realize Hurd saved HP billions of dollars, right? He turned that company around.

    Frankly, $40mil is not a bad deal for what they got.

    The only real downside is he acted like a dumbass and they had to fire him to save face. They still need his help over there.

    Hurd came in at precisely the right time. Fiorina may have been hated at HP, but the Compaq merger was completely her idea, from top to bottom, and it's far more responsible for HP's market position than anything Hurd did. I didn't even agree with it at the time, but in hindsight, it accomplished exactly what she thought it would. And Fiorina has to be laughing her ass off right now about this.

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  33. Hurd left? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's old GNUs.

  34. Re:HE WAS NOT FIRED FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT! by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    He was fired for falsifying expense reports. You know theft, and my bet is it was grand theft since it was a CEO sized expense report. The board should have toold Mr Hurd, RESIGN NOW, with nothing or we are referring this to the DA for prosecution. Mr Hurd could then either enjoy his golden parachute in jail or left. Since grand theft is probably more than a year in jail, that means the big house in cali. Places like San Quentin where you get to be put on fire fighting lines in your spare time. Personally, I hope the suit wins. It would be nice to see a board held to their fudiciary requirements.

    This is a good point, actually. Hurd should have never been allowed to leave with that huge a chunk of money. Ask him to leave with nothing or sue him for grand theft. It makes sense. But of course, BODs always look out for their own. Always.

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