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Rare Sharing of Data Led To Results In Alzheimer's Research

jamie passes along a story in the NY Times about how an unprecedented level of openness and data-sharing among scientists involved in the study of Alzheimer's disease has yielded a wealth of new research papers and may become the template for making progress in dealing with other afflictions. Quoting: "The key to the Alzheimer's project was an agreement as ambitious as its goal: not just to raise money, not just to do research on a vast scale, but also to share all the data, making every single finding public immediately, available to anyone with a computer anywhere in the world. No one would own the data. No one could submit patent applications, though private companies would ultimately profit from any drugs or imaging tests developed as a result of the effort. 'It was unbelievable,' said Dr. John Q. Trojanowski, an Alzheimer's researcher at the University of Pennsylvania. 'It's not science the way most of us have practiced it in our careers. But we all realized that we would never get biomarkers unless all of us parked our egos and intellectual-property noses outside the door and agreed that all of our data would be public immediately.'"

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  1. This is real science. by Raelus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop trying to replace it with a capitalistic mockery of science.

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    1. Re:This is real science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is one of the reasons the field of astronomy has made such amazing advances. There is no money to be made in figuring out how the universe works so everyone is very open about their work.

    2. Re:This is real science. by immakiku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. Back in the day Science and math was shared freely through notes and letters among intellectuals. The scientists of that era actually achieved their potentials for the most part.

      In our time, we have much better ways to communicate, yet our abilities are stifled far below maximum potential because of what appears to be petty reasons

    3. Re:This is real science. by Moridineas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Back in the day Science and math was shared freely

      Back in what day?

    4. Re:This is real science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The mess we have where potentially-useful information is kept secret and proprietary, in the name of profit or even just potential profit.

    5. Re:This is real science. by AltairDusk · · Score: 5, Funny

      FITLER THIS!

      Fitler? Did Hitler buy a gym?

    6. Re:This is real science. by TheEyes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The patent craziness.

      For some bizarre reason, the US, the EU, and many other places have decided that it's okay to patent basic concepts: human and animal genes, business methods, math (also known as software patents), etc, rather than the end-stage products that patents were originally meant to cover. As a result, many fields of innovation are grinding to a halt, as people scramble to place roadblocks and paywalls across the road of innovation. Biology can't go anywhere because dozens of different groups have patents on basic testing procedures and even the genes themselves. Computer programmers can't get anywhere because programming has become a minefield, where bits arranged in certain ways can suddenly see you being sued for millions of dollars.

      The moment the walls are lowered, even for a short period in a limited field, great things can be accomplished in a short amount of time, but the exceptions will remain exceptions if the non-innovators keep thinking there's profit to be made in continual delay.

    7. Re:This is real science. by bunratty · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Back when Tycho Brahe refused to give Kepler access to his observations of the night sky and Darwin didn't publish his ideas until decades after he first had them. And when Mendel fudged his data about heredity and Millikan threw away data he didn't like about the charge of an electron. Oh, wait.

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    8. Re:This is real science. by Atrox666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Since public sharing of information saves lives, not sharing is tanamount to murder or at least negligent homicide.

      Intellectual Property kills.

    9. Re:This is real science. by dan828 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not that Darwin didn't want to publish his ideas, he shared them with his friends readily enough. He just didn't want to deal with the religious and political shit storm that his work was going to cause. It wasn't until he was about to get scooped by Wallace that his friends convinced him to jointly present a paper with Wallace.

    10. Re:This is real science. by xMilkmanDanx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      +9000

      all fundamental science should NEVER be patentable. mother nature has prior art

    11. Re:This is real science. by immakiku · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In those cases the reasons are all personal, whereas now the hiding and protecting of research seems codified into our society.

    12. Re:This is real science. by Khyber · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "There is no money to be made in figuring out how the universe works"

      Teleportation? Possibility of warping space to move around the galaxy? No money, what?

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    13. Re:This is real science. by bunratty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're greatly exaggerating by saying biology and computer programming can't get anywhere because of patents. It's rare to have a problem with software patents. When there is a problem, it makes the news on Slashdot. And then again the next week. And the month after that.

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    14. Re:This is real science. by immakiku · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ideas are patented, but actual research is still hidden until it's profitable. Even then the research is not 100% made public. Compare this to the RFC style progression of research in which people had no reservations about participating.

    15. Re:This is real science. by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Real patent problems almost never to never make news. They are about people dropping research outright, without ever getting to the point of infringing patents, because of simple FEAR or infringement, or because when they start, the lawyer tells them to drop it because of the aforementioned risk. Number of such cases dwarfs the cases that actually progress to level of getting actual patent problems.

      Yes, it is this bad. What you see on slashdot doesn't count as a tip of an iceberg - it's more of a few ice crystals from the tip of the iceberg at best.

    16. Re:This is real science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Makes you wonder why U of East Anglia (et al) wouldn't share the global warming data.

    17. Re:This is real science. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, the real reason is institutional. Scientific careers are made by holding your cards close to your chest for as long as possible, then publishing impressive conclusions while still keeping your most important data either cryptic or unstructured. The "business model" is a mess, and it isn't about the misinterpreting boob, it's about the people who *would* understand your work.

      This story (about the breakthrough in Alzheimer's work) is a very good one to spread around, because it will produce some strong pressure to follow suit in other medical fields. Once enough of the right people start to realize that we could make serious in-roads against cancer if a collaborative approach was taken, the forces to change the status quo will become unstoppable.

    18. Re:This is real science. by Nemyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Current business is "make money within 6 months or GTFO".

      Yeah, I'm exaggerating, but not by a whole lot. Even in the best of cases, things like extrasolar planet discoveries, the LHC or other "fundamental" science don't have applications within 10 if not 20 or 50 years, maybe more. They're of no use to business even though business will thrive on it in the future.

    19. Re:This is real science. by dpilot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Has the cynic in you heard about the new prostate cancer vaccine? They've decided to charge $90k for it, because that's the average cost of treatment for prostate cancer, and people should be willing to pay just as much to avoid the treatment as they would to have it. I'm not kidding.

      **Pardon me, it's not $90k, it's $93k. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-04-30-prostatevaccine30_ST_N.htm
      Reading TFA, the vaccine is a very patient-specific thing, and didn't mention the equivalent-cost pricing. I heard that part on the radio.

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    20. Re:This is real science. by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe that's because various scientists and researchers don't want to deal with the headache and pain that comes along with some misinformed boob misinterpreting valid data and ranting about how it's proof the the researcher/scientist is a fraud and criminal. The whole climate change debate thing comes to mind. When climate researchers' data did get out in the open, various news sources jumped all over the researchers like a pack of ravenous wolves. Hell, there was literally an army of bloggers who were actively seeking any nit they could find to discredit the research.

      Can you point to a case where this was a serious problem as opposed to benefit? The case of climate change is not a good example because it is a high stakes game. You would expect, with the sort of claims that are made there, greater scrutiny of those claims, the people who made them, and the processes by which they arrived at those conclusions. That scrutiny includes a bunch of boobs with blogs. If the scientists (who I might add seem in large part publicly funded) can't weather that, then maybe we should get a crop who can.

      Also, hiding data is a symptom of "fraud and criminal acts". When someone is hiding data, I can't distinguish between the cases of "fear of illegitimate persecution" and "fear of legitimate persecution".

  2. I share my data all the time... by Palestrina · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...but I sometimes forget where I put it.

  3. Warning, the storey is closed off! by sackvillian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My new definition of irony:

    A story on great leaps in progress being made because of openness being closed off behind a paywall.

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    1. Re:Warning, the storey is closed off! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      My new definition of irony:

      A story on great leaps in progress being made because of openness being closed off behind a paywall.

      Well, it's not a paywall. Registration is free.

      That said, it is still annoying.

    2. Re:Warning, the storey is closed off! by Surt · · Score: 3, Informative

      BugMeNot is your friend.

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  4. Uh, wow by Rijnzael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's great to see that they suspended profit and property motive for the pursuit of something that can improve the lives of humanity as a whole. It's a nice change, even if temporary, against the backdrop of patented genes, seeds, and the like in our day and age.

    *At least that's what it sounds like, I don't have an NYTimes login and don't have interest in one, so I didn't RTFA.

  5. This is great news, and a great step forward. by Red_Chaos1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now all we need is for this to become the norm.

    Quite frankly I don't understand how it has been allowed for things like genes and sequences and such to be patented, and I think the notion that such things can be patented is ridiculous. But who am I, other some peon somewhere, right?

    1. Re:This is great news, and a great step forward. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      But who am I, other some peon somewhere, right?

      Actually, according to my cursory scan, you're a collection of Patented Nucleotide Sequences #47862, #32981, #441998, and #90210. A representative will be by shortly to either receive payment or present you with a Cease and Desist Existing order, and to conduct a more thorough scan for additional IP violations.

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    2. Re:This is great news, and a great step forward. by Nemyst · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wouldn't that be called Cease and Decease?

  6. Almost like an Onion article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Scientists attempt to actually better society, are surprised to find that it works"

  7. It's not just Science... by Gaian-Orlanthii · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...it's a Sudden Outbreak Of Common Sense. How come no-one else tagged it thus?

  8. This is what I was always taught science was like. by meerling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sharing of data and ideas to further the cause of science and humanity.

    Then greed took over and corrupted it completely.

    It's nice to see a gleam of the dreams of progress can still exist somewhere.

  9. Now crossing a patent office desk: by AltairDusk · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Method of patent free knowledge sharing between scientists."

  10. Re:This is what I was always taught science was li by Frans+Faase · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think it was also governments who decided that science should be made profitable and not being fully paid by taxes, especially when the costs for science seems to increase more and more. Many scientist nowadays, have no other way then to depend on fundraising, and that can only be done effectively with writing papers. In some fields, for example computer science, there are areas where people put all their energie in writing papers with actually no content, just speculations and promisses. There are incrowds who only visit their own conferences and go on producing papers after papers with no real results at all.

    I have been following research around Alzheimer's Disease in the past four years, because my wife has Early Onset Alzeheimer's Disease (she is only 53), and also in this area, I have encountered papers that present no result, but only talk about a potential application of a certain mechanism, which sole purpose seems to be fund-raising. And in a sense, I do not object against those papers, because if there is one disease that does not receive enough funding, it is Alzheimer's Disease. The costs of Alzheimer's Disease for society as a whole is probable of the same order as that of all forms of cancer together, but only a fraction of the amount of research that is put into cancer is put into Alzheimer's Disease. Especially in western countries, with a relatively large percentage of people over the age of 65, the costs for Alzheimer's Disease are becoming a great burden.

  11. Re:This is what I was always taught science was li by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course science has never been perfect, but the state of science as we know it today is a peace dividend of the post-Soviet era. That includes the anemic state of space exploration.

    Once upon a time, everything was all about the US vs. the Soviets. Anything decision more complicated than choosing the "Soviet" or "US" was quaintly labeled "multilateral" and dismissed as vaguely tacky and uncooperative. In those days, there was a huge contest to see which form of society was the society could produce the most sustainable progress. We don't get this in modern civilization struggles because Communism had this doctrine of historical determinism. Communism (the communists said) would usher in a golden age for humanity, a society so perfect that history itself would become obsolete.

    So, it was very important to show which economic and political system had the biggest progress balls. Can *you* go to the moon? Can *you* create wonder drugs that horrible diseases? Can *you* discover the fundamental laws of the universe? And we spent a lot of public money on this creative machismo contest. Well, not that much really when you look at what we got out of it, but a lot when you look at how much we're willing to spend to Benefit the Progress of Mankind [tm] today.

    And then, we won.

    Suddenly, the contest wasn't all that important any longer. We had all this expensive to keep running research capability, and no reason to spend the money. And somebody came up with a creative idea that was almost like money for nothing. We'd be able to sustain the growth in our research infrastructure without growing our public investment in it.

    It's hard to realize this today, but the concept of university research institutions as primarily IP generating engines was novel in 1980. It even seemed almost a bit obscene, because only a few years prior academic research was ostensibly all about Benefiting the Progress of Mankind [tm].

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  12. Abundant science needs a funding paradigm shift by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 4, Informative

    Something I wrote on that begins: http://www.pdfernhout.net/open-letter-to-grantmakers-and-donors-on-copyright-policy.html
    "Foundations, other grantmaking agencies handling public tax-exempt dollars, and charitable donors need to consider the implications for their grantmaking or donation policies if they use a now obsolete charitable model of subsidizing proprietary publishing and proprietary research. In order to improve the effectiveness and collaborativeness of the non-profit sector overall, it is suggested these grantmaking organizations and donors move to requiring grantees to make any resulting copyrighted digital materials freely available on the internet, including free licenses granting the right for others to make and redistribute new derivative works without further permission. It is also suggested patents resulting from charitably subsidized research research also be made freely available for general use. The alternative of allowing charitable dollars to result in proprietary copyrights and proprietary patents is corrupting the non-profit sector as it results in a conflict of interest between a non-profit's primary mission of helping humanity through freely sharing knowledge (made possible at little cost by the internet) and a desire to maximize short term revenues through charging licensing fees for access to patents and copyrights. In essence, with the change of publishing and communication economics made possible by the wide spread use of the internet, tax-exempt non-profits have become, perhaps unwittingly, caught up in a new form of "self-dealing", and it is up to donors and grantmakers (and eventually lawmakers) to prevent this by requiring free licensing of results as a condition of their grants and donations. "

    I sent a longer version to the Markle Foundation in 2001, two years before this open partnership on Alzheimer's started:
        http://www.pdfernhout.net/on-funding-digital-public-works.html
    Maybe it helped? :-)

    By the way, adequate vitamin D and eating organic whole foods heavy on vegetables, fruits, and beans (with a few selected supplements like B12 and DHA) may help delay Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia greatly; see:
    http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml
    http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cat-alzheimers-disease.html

    So, the answers are out there even without people cooperating to make some magic bullet. The cooperation through basic publications and the hard work of a few key people like Dr. John Cannell and Dr. Joel Fuhrman putting together such information has made huge difference. Now if just more people would pay attention to these findings -- but unfortunately there is not much profit in emphasizing getting mdoerate sunlight exposure (or taking cheap supplements) and eating right, so that is another part of the partadigm problem of a for-profit health care and R&D system.

    Moderate exercise and some other things can help too (see Dr. Andrew Weil for the bigger picture of the holistic side fo health, though his nutrition advice is not quite as good as the above links) but again, there is not the huge profits in that as, say, doing triple bypasses.

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  13. Forget the mother nature arguments... by Coppit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If it's publicly funded, shouldn't the research results be publicly available?

  14. Heterodox economics by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow, that all sounds pretty neat and mostly a lot of "hard fun".
    http://www.papert.org/articles/HardFun.html

    And related:
    "Mortgage Free!: Innovative Strategies for Debt Free Home Ownership"
    http://books.google.com/books?id=U8olv7h0of4C
    "How to Survive Without a Salary: Learning How to Live the Conserver Lifestyle"
    http://books.google.com/books?id=ImmgMBhdeHkC
    "Life After the City: A Harrowsmith Guide to Rural Living"
    http://books.google.com/books?id=Fmq19Hv1fqYC

    We live in a somewhat passive solar home, and do a bit of organic gardening (but we can't bear to cut down the beautiful trees where we are to have a bigger spot to garden or more sunlight, although I agree with you about the economics of that -- plus, doing stuff outdoors also saves on entertainment expenses and, as you allude to, gym memberships. :-)

    Karl Marx and his fans (like Simon Clarke in "The Global Accumulation of Capital and the
    Periodisation of the Capitalist State Form")
    http://www.riff-raff.se/en/furtherreading/clarke_global.php
    predicted an extension of credit to keep capitalism going just before it collapsed (whatever one can say about his proposed cures, a lot of Marxian diagnosis of problems with capitalism was accurate).

    Someone just recently sent me this summary about Simon Clarke's writings: "The stages he addresses and ultimately rejects as being too vaguely defined to be considered as true periods are: Mercantilism, Liberalism, Imperialism, Social Democracy, and Monetarism. He identifies (in 1992 or before) monetarism as either being a new phase or (as it turned out) a reassertion of free-market Liberalism that will cause overaccumulation, the solution to which will be imperialism and extension of credit, which will only delay a deeper recession or depression. That's nearly a 20-year-out economic prediction that turned out to be very accurate! (Granted, he didn't offer dates, but he predicted some of the most critical events.)"

    I'm adapting the following from a reply on that.

    Just one more datapoint on that predicted "extension of credit":
    "Debts Rise, and Go Unpaid, as Bust Erodes Home Equity"
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/business/12debt.html?src=me&ref=business
    as "capitalism hits the fan" (a talk by a Marxist economist)
    http://www.capitalismhitsthefan.com/

    So, agreeing with others, it is a good diagnosis by Marx and fans, up to a point, but poor prescription for current day events, as this essay says from 1971 by Murray Bookchin (someone more into decentralization):
    "Listen, Marxist!" by Murray Bookchin
    http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bookchin/listenm.html

    A fan of Charles Fourier suggested to me that everything good about Marx came from the earlier Fourier. And Fourier was more into self-reliant living (though at a village level).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fourier

    Here is a document I put together forty years after Murray Bookchin wrote, and two hundred after Charles Fourier:
    http://knol.google.com/k/paul-d-fernhout/beyond-a-jobless-recovery
    The document suggests that there are four majo

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