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Having Too Much Information Can Narrow Your Focus

CeruleanDragon writes "This excerpt sums up Dave Pell's article at NPR pretty well: 'Google's Eric Schmidt recently stated that every two days we create as much information as we did from the beginning of civilization through 2003. Perhaps the sheer bulk of data makes it easier to suppress that information which we find overly unpleasant. Who has got time for a victim in Afghanistan or end-of-life issues with all these tweets coming in?' It's a valid point. If it's not tweets or Facebook posts, it's lengthy forum arguments or reading news articles from the time you walk in the door at work until you're ready for bed at night, and realizing you didn't actually accomplish anything else. Sometimes too much information can get in the way of living and can bury otherwise important things."

144 comments

  1. reading news articles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reading news articles...like this one. Now we just need a lengthy forum argument and we'll have a perpetual motion machine!

    1. Re:reading news articles... by icannotthinkofaname · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Now we just need a lengthy forum argument and we'll have a perpetual motion machine!

      Good idea! I'll start:

      Vim > Emacs

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      Let q be a radix > 1. I am in ur base-q, killing 10 d00ds.
    2. Re:reading news articles... by skids · · Score: 1

      Keep it topical: "Death Panels O NOZ!"

  2. I used to collect money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... now I collect information. What's wrong with that?

    1. Re:I used to collect money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      information makes you smarter and less likely to be a good slave to the spiritual barenness that is western materialism.

    2. Re:I used to collect money... by tuxgeek · · Score: 1

      Depends greatly on the information

      If it's from fox news corp, that will only make you neurotic and paranoid

      If it involves somehow improving your life such as how consumption of GMO products can damage your health, then that will be good for you as far as avoiding one more carcinogen

      --
      "Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself." Mark Twain
  3. Too early. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I will come back to the thread later, when there are several hundred comments to read.

  4. every so often, you have to turn off the toys. by swschrad · · Score: 4, Funny

    perspective is import... OOOHHHH, shiny.

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    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
    1. Re:every so often, you have to turn off the toys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My grandparents got a color TV before my family did. We'd go to their house and glom onto to the set. My grandparents sighed. Then they told my dad to buy any color TV he wanted and they would pay for it. We weren't so dazzled at the grandparents house anymore, so they got to spend time with their grandchildren. They could have just ruled no TV watching at their house. My grandparents were clever, compassionate people.

      Technology, like people, become socialized as they mature, but we're the one's who adapt. Which is to say we become accustomed to its qualities and uses. Books are a socialized technology - we "know" them very well. We knew scrolls before that. We knew how to enter content, consume content, and archive content. We knew how to delete content. This helped shape what we considered "knowledge" and the socio-political power of harnessing control of it.

      We'll learn how and when to use this and future technologies, but we do need to wear ourselves out before then. Like a much-desired birthday present that becomes part of your life six months later.

      I'm not a Coward - I just don't know if I'll post here again, so why bother to create an account. Call me @Maggid

  5. realizing you didn't actually accomplish anything by xMilkmanDanx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    sounds like a day in the life of average slashdotter. honestly this is too many days of my life lately. I think I'll go write some code.

  6. TV? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's not Tweets or Facebook posts, it's lengthy forum arguments or reading news articles from the time you walk in the door at work until you're ready for bed at night, and realizing you didn't actually accomplish anything else

    RIght, because before the information explosion on the internet, people never watched TV from the time they walked in the door until they were ready for bed at night, accomplishing nothing. The newest shiny toy is always a distraction, if you aren't going to learn to overcome being distracted, there will always be a new thing to ruin your productivity.

    And if you disagree with me, by golly, I'll stay here and argue with you until the sun goes down if I have to!

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    Qxe4
    1. Re:TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody is wrong on the internet!

    2. Re:TV? by willabr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "The civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny failed to take into account man's most infinite appetite for distractions." Aldous Huxley

    3. Re:TV? by CrashandDie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's another thing that makes me go "duh", even more than the TV argument.

      Books.

      I recently had a discussion with a friend who was amazed that these days, there was so little censoring in the 100+ page media. He wondered if our governments (or corporations as he now calls them) were getting sensible.

      I've always been amazed at this train of thought. Books don't require censoring anymore. There are so many books coming out, every single day, that it would be impossible for the public at large to have a "big thought" pierce through the cloud of utter bollocks that is being printed. Books had a very big potential for spreading ideas around the world; or at least countries.

      Everyone can get a book published and printed. Heck, I have two books in print, and three which are currently being "worked on" -- and I went the old way, with a publishing house taking me under their wing, and I have some semi-monk semi-guru who tries to inspire me on a weekly basis.

      Today, you'd be hard pushed to find anything remotely interesting or exposing novel ideas. It seems to me that as a whole, the amount of information is only a repercussion of a more general trend: people don't give a shit. After having to deal with mortgage, picking up the kids and dealing with an ego-driven sadistic boss, people don't want to care, they don't want to think.

      Does this mean that there has been a shift in the way people think, or the fact they want to unwind? No, not at all.

      The only real difference, is that now, through the limited costs of publishing things around the world, the crap you used to hear at the local pub now comes right into your inbox, or some idiot in Vermont has enough free time to actually write a whole book around it.

      The dynamics haven't changed one bit. Only how the media presents itself, and how the crap flows down the drain.

    4. Re:TV? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1, Funny

      Haha!

      Oblg.: http://xkcd.com/386/

    5. Re:TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "TV"? You forgot the "Tropes" part.

    6. Re:TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      best xkcd ever!

    7. Re:TV? by JustOK · · Score: 1

      Fucking books, how do they work?

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      rewriting history since 2109
    8. Re:TV? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      Besides I don't think it's harmful to be addicted to reading slashdot or facebook updates. It's perfectly normal and healthy. Now where's that "F" icon so I can share this interesting article with a bunch of "friends" I've never met?

      FB is probably like CB Radio
      - a fad that will die out in a few years when
      people realize what a gigantic waste of time it is

      --
      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    9. Re:TV? by ThisIsForReal · · Score: 1
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      -THE END-
    10. Re:TV? by hedwards · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, this is probably correct. It's been known for some time that sales end up going down in stores that offer too many choices. People will develop a strategy of just randomly grabbing a bottle of ketchup, picking the habitual brand or not buy any at all. More than a few choices tends to lead to paralysis and nobody ends up selling their item. I don't personally think that it's a stretch to extend that to information which only costs the time it takes to find and evaluate it.

      It's worse now because we have some degree of control over it. When I was a kid and we only had a couple channels, that wasn't a problem, we could flip channels or turn it off, that was about it. These days though, we've got a ridiculous number of sources available and it's far more than the take it or leave it that we used to have. We can't really default to a whatever's on approach and end up with anything other than static.

    11. Re:TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      smbc kills xkcd

    12. Re:TV? by astar · · Score: 1

      Fact worship involves a sort of an epistomological bias. Sometimes useful, like most things. But things often get to a point that claiming you need one more fact in order to act or decide or whatever is nutty. So we generate a lot of facts. But if we managed a lot of profound concepts, then things would be impressive. Hmm, think of the difference in science between adding one more digit to a constant and coming up with an Einstein trick like a fundamental principle of the universe. The digit may "prove"the principle, but will not generate the principle. And my use of the word "prove" is a silly adaption to maybe your empiricism bias.

         

    13. Re:TV? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is probably correct. It's been known for some time that sales end up going down in stores that offer too many choices. People will develop a strategy of just randomly grabbing a bottle of ketchup, picking the habitual brand or not buy any at all. More than a few choices tends to lead to paralysis and nobody ends up selling their item.

      If I am going shopping for ketchup, it is because I need ketchup, I'm not going to not buy it just because there are twenty varieties to choose from.
      Don't people use shopping lists any more?

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  7. That's OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of that info is worthless junk anyway, like the inane stuff in Facebook and similarly stupid sites.

  8. On the other hand by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When faced with an engineering problem, I can dip into the vast sea of information at my fingertips and instantly find answers instead of spending all day flipping through hardbacks at computer literacy, bullshitting with local sales reps to try and get copies of data sheets faxed to me, or just plain wasting time figuring out something out that's already been solved. This leaves me more time to work on the interesting stuff, or fart around on Facebook if I feel like it. I'm failing to see the downside. If you're a distractible person you can be even more distracted if you want to. If you're a productive person you can be even more productive if you want to. More information, please.

    1. Re:On the other hand by mangu · · Score: 1

      More information, please.

      Agreed. It's not only that we have more information, we have more easily accessed information.

      Instead of wasting time looking for information generated by humans, I can devote my time to looking for information hidden in nature.

    2. Re:On the other hand by robot256 · · Score: 1

      Instead of wasting time looking for the right information, I can waste time absorbing the wrong information!

    3. Re:On the other hand by GSV+Eat+Me+Reality · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you're a distractible person you can be even more distracted if you want to. If you're a productive person you can be even more productive if you want to.

        Or, if you're subject to both tendencies, you can suffer from Extreme Informational Cognitive Dissonance Syndrome and eventually end up playing Tetris all day.

        Yes, one can suffer from both at once. As an example, it's like spending four intense hours searching forums trying to find that one variable setting you need to make xorg work properly, then you promptly get distracted by an youtube video someone sent you in your email, and forget to finish the build for two days.

        This is of course just a hypothetical situation, nothing of the sort has ever happened to anyone...

    4. Re:On the other hand by tycoex · · Score: 0

      I can relate to that 100%

    5. Re:On the other hand by jmvq9 · · Score: 1

      Agreed - I can't find a loophole in using WolframAlpha to facilitate finding integrals, derivations, or a Taylor series that makes me feel like all this information is too much. Besides, when information was 'less', didn't that mean fewer people controlled the flow of information thereby minimizing the market place of free ideas? For a founding concept of Democracy, I find it nearly Medieval to show such longing for the days of information underflow. But I suppose I can see the quaintness of times gone by. "My head feels warm and I can't keep food down, maybe tomorrow I'll load up the buggy and visit Old Man Merlin for a magic cure."

    6. Re:On the other hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I can devote my time to looking for information hidden in nature."

      And by "information hidden in nature", you mean "porn."

  9. Bull. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The bulk of information created before the advent of the Printing Press has been lost. We only have fragments of data from the Roman Republic and Western Empire. Same goes for a host of empires and states.

    We create more bytes of data and more copies of data while we track things much closer, we really don't know what was created before. We don't know all the works of art, mundane information and data saved by the Romans, Greeks, Han, Aztecs, Maya, Egyptians or Celts, or any of the thousands of other civilizations.

    1. Re:Bull. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We create more bytes of data and more copies of data while we track things much closer, we really don't know what was created before.

      You know, that makes me wonder how much of all this data that we're assuming is going to create a "permanent" archive is really going to be permanent.

      I remember hearing about this kind of information overload back in the days when we backed up data on 200MB magnetic tapes. Those tapes got stacked in closets, pile upon pile, and nobody's ever going to look at most of them ever again.

      I wonder if in 250 years people are going to say the same thing about our culture that you said about the pre-printing press days. A lot of books were printed that are gone forever. Magnetic coatings on mylar tape have flaked off. I've got a drawer full of old external drives. I'd bet that in 10 years if I were to plug one in, assuming there were still USB ports on computers then, that at least one of those drives is going to fail.

      I'm not saying digital information isn't more persistent than print on vellum or impressions on clay cylinders, but at some point somebody has to care about that information if it's really going to be available to future generations. Look how many films from as late as the 1970s have already deteriorated and are lost. I just heard someone talking about the archives of the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. Apparently, John Lennon and Paul McCartney were on together once in the early 60's. But because some production manager decided that tape was too expensive not to re-use, there are no copies left to see except about 2 minutes of 8mm film someone shot off of his TV set (at a different frame rate, too).

      Even when you have a "permanent" record, at least today, it's not really permanent unless someone cares enough to maintain it.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    2. Re:Bull. by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Additionally, although we create a huge amount of data on a daily basis how much of it is actually stored past a year or two? How much of it will ever be seen again?

      I generate several dozen gigabytes in log files every week, but with logrotate that data is going to be destroyed automatically. I expect that statistic includes an awful lot of information that is similar.

      As for your example, I am sure your right that there was a Roman citizen who owned a tavern and kept some sort of logs during his course of business never to be seen again. Or perhaps destroyed for the same reasons we might today.

    3. Re:Bull. by Naturalis+Philosopho · · Score: 1

      While the time scale involved when talking about human civilization prior to 2003 is large, the increase in human population over the past two decades is an even larger factor. Consider that there are currently 6% of the people alive today that ever lived and died, in the entire history of humanity (really, look it up. That's 1/16 of the people in a 1/52,000yr time slice.), and you begin to realize the scale of what we produce, not just in information, but also in material. Factor in that writing materials weren't even invented for about 47,000 yrs of that history, and the knowledge of how to write (let alone alphabets and the very concept of writing) hasn't been widely known throughout most populations, and it becomes easier to realize that, yeah, those twitter posts add up.

    4. Re:Bull. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There was alot of tape destruction and data loss in early TV, like pretty much the entire DuMont network, a ton of black and white stuff from the 40s, 50s and 60s.

      Sure I create a ton of data during a day, but alot of those numbers are artificially high, I go out and google search and get hits back, all those google logo, ads on the side, those go millions of times a day, so is that "information" created each time it's uploaded and then downloaded?

      So would information created in 1500 include the audio information of a town cryer? And how do we measure that bandwidth?

      Saying things like "we create more information every hour than the Roman Empire did during the entire reign of Augustus" is kind of nonsense on a number of levels. /. in 2300
      More p0rn is created every nano-second than was ever downloaded from 2000-2010.

    5. Re:Bull. by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The article confuses "data" with "important recorded stuff". Long before Twitter people would say "I'm going to lunch now". People used to have long discussions in person without the internet being involved. People crunched lots of numbers too. The difference is that now it's recorded and saved.

      What is more accurate is to say that "we're archiving more useless data now than we ever used to before".

    6. Re:Bull. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      And the bulk of the people alive today create no digital or analog data.

      One doesn't need to have writing to have information or culture.

    7. Re:Bull. by EdIII · · Score: 1

      /. in 2300: More p0rn is created every nano-second than was ever downloaded from 2000-2010

      Really? Well, from 2000-2010 we have generated a LOT of porn. That is a LOT of girls naked and fucking. According to your future statistic, that means there will be, in just one day, 10 trillion times more naked chicks fucking .

      That means my odds of getting some of that had to increase by at least 1/2%. Future is looking good....

    8. Re:Bull. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're on /., so let's make a quick calculation...

      0 * 1.005 = 0

      Not "looking good" to me.

    9. Re:Bull. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      that means there will be, in just one day, 10 trillion times more naked chicks fucking .

      Are you packet-sniffing my DSL line?

      I admit, my attention-span has diminished, but I don't think I've ever gone over 2 trillion.

      Wait, are we counting up-skirt and fetish videos?

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    10. Re:Bull. by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Of course. The really important stuff will get saved. Some of the background noise will also survive, just due to the curiosity of historians and archivists. The rest will be flushed or just lost with time. Status quo - no change over what we have from past generations. The only difference is that our population is so much bigger, and our archival methods so much better, that the sheer quantity of saved data is bound to be much higher. But the idea that EVERYTHING we generate will be archived forever? Please. If I thought that was the case, I'd be much more careful about the comments I make on here :)

    11. Re:Bull. by lorg · · Score: 1

      ... and the bulk of the once that do create something create nothing of lasting worth, most likely.

    12. Re:Bull. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      True, but the degree of care is much, much lower. At the last count, my home server could hold the whole print collection of the Library of Congress (10TB). That's pretty much every brain splurge anyone got published as the deposit requirements hit pretty fast. In compressed form, the entire English wikipedia is ~6 GB or less than 1/1000th of that. At that point nobody has to really care about the one text, just if anybody is interested enough to keep the archive alive.

      Spotify carries 8 million tracks, if we say 5MB/track then that's 40TB. Okay, my server couldn't handle that alone but it'd be no problem for someone who's a fan of rock to have every rock song ever. I think you have to seriously consider the possibility that in the future, we'll have more storage space than the effort it takes to produce something worthwhile to fill it with. And by that I mean every book, photo, song and video consciously made, even all the notorious home videos. Just not every CCTV recording "nothing" 24/7.

      After all, even if you gave me near infinite capability to record my own life, I'd have rather limited interest in running around with a photo or video camera all the time, or do band practice or write books. My production tops out, while the true limits of our storage capability are still unknown. Hell, if we got rid of copyright so we could trivially pool all our storage of public media then most people's storage capacity would already be excessive today. I haven't got 10TB of self-produced stuff and never imagine I will.

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      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    13. Re:Bull. by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The other thing not mentioned is that the metric of data 'size' has in fact little relationship to the information value of the message.

      A single-page newspaper ad from 1905 stored digitally is maybe what, 18k bytes if stored?
      A 30-second TV spot today, that contains approximately the same informative value, in 1080p is 8 megs?

      So yes, the 'modern' data is nearly 500x the old datasize, but the amount of useful information conveyed is the same (OK yes, for those splitting hairs there is more actual information conveyed in the 30 second tv ad, but the color of the sky in pixel X - while necessary for the image - isn't 'useful' to the message).

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      -Styopa
  10. no argument here by magarity · · Score: 1

    it's lengthy forum arguments
     
    I didn't argue in a forum today.

    1. Re:no argument here by Jeek+Elemental · · Score: 1

      yes you did

    2. Re:no argument here by robot256 · · Score: 1

      no he didn't, it's us doing the arguing. isn't that obvious? :P

    3. Re:no argument here by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      He claimed there was no argument here, yet as I live and breath, there is an argument here!

      Why did you lie to us magnarity, why?

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      Security is mostly a superstition... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. - Helen Keller
  11. sort of like Huxley's distopia by FudRucker · · Score: 5, Interesting
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    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
    1. Re:sort of like Huxley's distopia by HuguesT · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link, excellent stuff.

      However I think both Orwell and Huxley were right. Both "brave new world" and "1984" are upon us right now.

    2. Re:sort of like Huxley's distopia by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      RE:"Orwell and Huxley were right"

      yup, i see elements of both.

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      Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
  12. Herbert Simon by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    In an information-rich world, the wealth of information means a dearth of something else: a scarcity of whatever it is that information consumes. What information consumes is rather obvious: it consumes the attention of its recipients. Hence a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention and a need to allocate that attention efficiently among the overabundance of information sources that might consume it.

    -- Herbert Simon (1916 - 2001)

    1. Re:Herbert Simon by endymion.nz · · Score: 1

      Seems like a convincing argument to get people to stop reading and go back to the coal face.

      --
      mediocrity rules, man
    2. Re:Herbert Simon by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Given that in capitalism it's always the scarce good which is paid for, shouldn't we get paid by the information providers for giving them part of our attention? :-)

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    3. Re:Herbert Simon by psithurism · · Score: 1

      Given that in capitalism it's always the scarce good which is paid for, shouldn't we get paid by the information providers for giving them part of our attention? :-)

      We do get paid. Some of my friends did some sort of "watch adds, make $5 an hour" 'job' through highschool. But most information sellers still tend to barter: "We'll let you hear about important happenings in your area, right after these commercials!" Unfortunately the people who want to buy our attention often only wish to let us learn how to give them their money back or otherwise waste our time and money.

      Information is plentiful, but _good_ information, relevant or enjoyable to me is a scarce commodity and often hard to find through all the other info, so I still often pay for it.

    4. Re:Herbert Simon by tee-rav · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The price to keep a person on task is high; the price to distract one is relatively low.

      We are selling our attention whenever we're on the clock.

      When we're recreating, it's different: Capitalists, having made a big enough bunch of us look at some shiny content they own, then sell other Capitalists the right to divert our attention with their ads.

      Good, well-placed ads distract people and keep them on task long enough to spend their money.

    5. Re:Herbert Simon by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
      I look at it as a convincing argument for IT to present information to everyone in a manner that is concise, that more information is not necessarily better, as it distracts the information consumers from the main task of running the business (because they are hip-deep in information that is not pertinent).

      Just as large quantities of spam reduces the usefulness of email, large quantities of irrelevant information reduces the usefulness of the information provided by our corporate information systems.

      Herbert Simon has some very excellent writings and opinions on this topic.

    6. Re:Herbert Simon by endymion.nz · · Score: 1

      It should be presented with a concise overview. Linked to that there should also be as much relevant detail as can be collected economically.

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      mediocrity rules, man
  13. Interesting idea... by tool462 · · Score: 1

    Now let me just jump straight into reading the comments, and ignore the article all together.

  14. ADHD? by KnightBlade · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah it gives a new meaning to ADHD. You start reading something on slashdo.... Hey ars technica is reviewing tha.... oooo gotta retweet thi.... dammit! I missed my vanpool. It almost happened.

    1. Re:ADHD? by AnonymousClown · · Score: 1
      That really happens to me :( I'll be reading a technical article or something and as I'm flipping to a tab with the diagram or something, I look to see what the market is doing, what's posted on /., post some 2-bit opinion on /., then over to Digg to post another 2-bit opinion or fuck with someone, then to see news, then I realize I just pisses away 30-40 minutes and then I'm back to the article and looking at the diagram.

      Then, the article mentions another diagram or I have to look up a term and round and round I go.

      I'm supposed to be reading about some heterosexual radio receiver or something like that right now.

      For some reason I concentrate on books better.

      --
      RIP America

      July 4, 1776 - September 11, 2001

    2. Re:ADHD? by KnightBlade · · Score: 1

      Ok, that's too much information. What was I doing again? :P

  15. Re:realizing you didn't actually accomplish anythi by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the longest time I couldn't understand why anyone would troll the Slashdot news articles. It's relatively easy to get positive mods on your comments if you can post something half intelligent in the first few minutes of an article going up, as long as you write in a clear and concise manner.

    Except today I realized something;
    No one upmodded my comments, so there weren't as many responses to my comments. There weren't as many responses so I didn't visit slashdot as much. I didn't visit slashdot as much and I actually got some coding done today.

    It all makes perfect sense to me now. By having a lower karma on /., I'd be a better employee. I'm surprised it took me so long to see it.

  16. A walk through the forest is informationally rich. by amanicdroid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The world is an information-rich place. It was before we showed up and after we leave. The only difference we make is that we intentionally record data.

    When you walk on the beach your interpret the sound waves of information as noise because you're unable to comprehend any deeper meaning than the existence of waves crashing nearby.

  17. Having Too Much Information Can Narrow Your Focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OOOHHHH, shiny.

    I'm sorry. What were we talking about again?

  18. finding/processing the information isn't free by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One problem is that "information" is largely supposed to make things easier by giving you access to something that was already done: someone else already went out there and collected meticulous information on frog populations, so it's easier to get access to that information than go out and count frogs yourself. But as information multiplies, sometimes it really is easier to just count the damn frogs instead of making sense of the voluminous and often inconsistent frog literature.

    Diderot noticed this in 1755, in a famous passage:

    "As long as the centuries continue to unfold, the number of books will grow continually, and one can predict that a time will come when it will be almost as difficult to learn anything from books as from the direct study of the whole universe. It will be almost as convenient to search for some bit of truth concealed in nature as it will be to find it hidden away in an immense multitude of bound volumes."

    1. Re:finding/processing the information isn't free by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Presumably indexes, catalogs and the like weren't invented until 1756?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:finding/processing the information isn't free by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      He was right, but we've coped with it, though at some cost.

      We must specialize to a high degree. It's far more difficult to be a polymath now than in the 18th century. This greatly reduces the amount of information that must be dealt with.

      We must rely on experts and tradition to dictate what we read. Tradition and experts say that there are only a handful of long-form prose fiction works from the 18th century that are worth reading, and damn near all the rest are complete shit. Unless one wishes to specialize in 18th century literature, one's best bet is to simply trust the experts and read those select few works. Most people don't read all the defining works in a math or science field to learn about it; they read a much smaller number of modern textbooks that have been (ideally) written to transmit that knowledge as efficiently as possible. Only when they reach the top levels of a small branch of it will they start getting most of their new knowledge from original papers and such.

      In short, information overload killed the classical education by making it impractical. It's one of the ways we've paid to have all the nice things around us.

    3. Re:finding/processing the information isn't free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's far more difficult to be a polymath now than in the 18th century.

      Really? I disagree.

      I say that the most difficult part of learning is not in finding answers, but in knowing which questions to ask. Google et al are excellent for both purposes. Today's polymath can learn a new trade, vocation, whatever far more quickly and accurately than one could in times past, simply because he has much better access to information, both good and bad, from which the good can be kept and the bad discarded.

      For example, say one wants to learn how to make soap. Within one day of searching on Google, without having to leave the house, travel, or talk to anyone, you can find all the information you need--forums, articles, PDF ebooks from the 1800s describing the state of the art of the trade as it existed then. After this all that's left is to read, absorb, and digest. Without leaving your chair you can place and pay for an order of all the materials you need to get started.

      If you were learning soap making in the 1800s, sure, you had the resources available to do that, but they were a lot more scattered and required more work to collect. I guarantee it'd take you a lot longer to reach the same level of expertise in any trade then that is still practiced and known today.

      Now I used the example of soap making because that is a trade I recently started learning. I'm also a master level computer programmer, gardener, mechanic, marketer, businessman, and satellite communications technician. There are a number of other trades I am still learning or plan to learn when resources are available, but I'm only in my mid 20s and I'd say I'd already qualify as a polymath.

      Of course personal anecdotes don't equal data, but I assure you it is just as easy to become a polymath today as it ever was, if not easier.

  19. Cynically Translated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You don't care sufficiently about issues I care about, and I believe popular social media is the culprit!

  20. Re:realizing you didn't actually accomplish anythi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +5 Irony

  21. so what? by Major+Downtime · · Score: 1

    "...reading news articles from the time you walk in the door at work until you're ready for bed at night, and realizing you didn't actually accomplish anything else. " - hmmm, as long as the people signing the paycheck don't realize that i didn't actually accomplish anything else and slashdot keeps feeding me news and lengthy forum arguments i don't mind :-)

  22. That's why I bought a boat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only communication device I carry with me on Lake Michigan is my emergency VHF radio.

    1. Re:That's why I bought a boat by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A boat being a hole in the water that you pour money into.

      For those of us who can't afford such things, we are in the process of discovering that finding information is no longer the valuable skill that it used to be; now the skills are in demand are in filtering the info to get to what is useful. And that seems to mostly be a matter of anti-informing: deliberately choosing to be ignorant about things that just don't matter.

      Of course there is the problem of determining what does matter. But that was probably always the case.

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      Will
  23. Don't read this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...you've wasted another moment in your life. Could've become a millionaire, but oh well.

    1. Re:Don't read this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To save time, I make it a point to never type more than 64 keyst

  24. People saw this coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This isn't news. The book is called Future Shock.

  25. Narrow? by catbutt · · Score: 1

    Don't you really mean the opposite?

    1. Re:Narrow? by SomeJoel · · Score: 1

      You know, I wasn't sure either, so I looked it up on Wikipedia. That was hard to understand, so I googled it and got this answer from Answers.com. But that left me even more confused, like wondering why that entry would be filed under "Sports Science and Medicine". I then looked for a book on google books to aid my understanding. And apparently a narrow focus is a necessity for good business, as well as "animals in the wild". This was especially disconcerting because I didn't even know animals cared at ALL about good business.

      All in all, I just don't know what to think about it anymore.

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  26. Re:Fuck Islam! by Itninja · · Score: 3, Funny

    You want to have fuck all three of those things? I mean one is ethereal, one is a long-dead man, and one is a religion. But hey, what rings your bell man. I am sure there are many Muslims who may not swing that way, but who appreciate the thought. How can one person have so much love in their heart?

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  27. Loads of useless information by albinobluerhino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the major things that annoy me about networking services like Facebook and Twitter is the amount of useless information that is generated. Just generating information is not good enough, it needs to be useful, beneficial.

    1. Re:Loads of useless information by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a matter of vocabulary.

      Until it is useful, it is only data. When it becomes useful, it becomes information.

      Information is data that has value in reaching an informed opinion or making an informed decision.

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      Will
  28. Oh Great.... by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Who's got time for a victim in Afghanistan or end-of-life issues with all these Tweets coming in?' It's a valid point. If it's not Tweets or Facebook posts, it's lengthy forum arguments or reading news articles from the time you walk in the door at work until you're ready for bed at night

    Now some jackhole Senator is going to start campaigning about how Slashdot is responsible for civilian deaths in Afghanistan, the current economic crisis, and the elderly having inadequate welfare just to cover up his latest sex scandal. Way to kill off the competition NPR. =P

  29. most facts are unimportant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "... Sometimes too much information can get in the way of living and can bury otherwise important things."

    Too much information always gets in the way. Napoleon Hill was the original mass-market "motivational speaker". He dedicated his life to teaching a science of success. One of the key aspects of Hill's philosophy is to focus on one's "definite major purpose" in life. What are you doing with your life? Some people are artists, others look to promote public health, others are builders or teachers.There are as many purposes as there are people.

    This excerpt comes from Napoleon Hill's 9-cd package, "Your Right To Be Rich".

    (Accurate Thinking)
     
    ... Now there are two major steps in accurate thinking and they
    are, first of all, separate facts from fiction or hearsay evidence.
    That's the first step before you do any thinking at all you must
    find out whether you're dealing with facts or fiction, real
    evidence or hearsay evidence.

            And if you're dealing with fiction or hearsay evidence it
    behooves you to be exceptionally careful and keep an open mind and
    not reach a final decision until you have examined those facts very
    carefully.

    And second, separate facts into two classes: important and
    unimportant.

            Now what is an important fact? You'll be surprised when I tell
    you that the vast majority of facts that we deal with - I'm talking
    about facts now, not hearsay evidence, not hypotheses - the vast
    number of facts that the majority of us deal with day in, day out
    are relatively *unimportant*. Why?

            Well let's see what an important fact is then you'll know why.
    An important fact may be assumed to be any fact that can be used to
    advantage in the attainment of one's major purpose or any
    subordinate desire leading toward the attainment of one's major
    purpose. Now that's what an important fact is.

            The vast majority of people spend more time on irrelevant facts
    that have nothing whatsoever to do with their advancement than they
    do on facts that would be of benefit to them. Curiosity people,
    people that meddle in other people's affairs, gossipers, and all
    that sort of thing. Putting in a lot of time thinking and talking
    about other people's affairs, dealing with petty small talk and
    petty facts, in other words, dealing with unimportant facts.

            -Napoleon Hill, Your Right To Be Rich, Disc 6, Track 16-17

    I've cut down on the amount of crap I read online since I heard this little bit a month ago.... I kind of keep current, but I don't care about minutiae like I used to, and when I catch myself reading about something that doesn't matter for me, I either start practicing my speedreading, or just close the tab.

    1. Re:most facts are unimportant by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Napoleon Hill was the original mass-market "motivational speaker".

      Did he live in a van down by the river?

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      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  30. Attention by ryanisflyboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was listening to an interview on NPR while in my car. The point made was that most human beings have to work to pay attention, and can be easily distracted. It does not come naturally. As an example they explained that listening to the radio while driving made you a poorer driver. This is because most people's brains are incapable of processing that much information at one time. Just as this was said I started hearing car horns behind me. I had switched my attention from driving to the radio interview about paying attention while driving. I had stopped at a green light.

    I believe that most of us have a physiological limit of how much sensory input we can process at once, and how fast we can switch our full attention from one task to the next. The distractions I have right now: the blackberry dinging, the "new mail" flag popping up, the "bell on screen 1" messages, gathering status of several simultaneous running jobs, and writing this post. Something has to be tuned out or lots of work is completed with little progress. I often use music (without lyrics) to drown out distractions, simplify the amount of messages going to my brain, allowing me to pay attention to one task at a time. I usually do this when the "background noise level" is so severe I finally recognize what is happening.

    This is why I love /. Summaries for the weak minded and highly-distracted, like me!

    1. Re:Attention by Spinalcold · · Score: 1

      The brain has become amazingly adapt at siphoning out irrelevant information. We process incredible amounts of informations without know it, every colour, shape, distance, pitch, hertz, etc, etc, hell the brain processes every time our clothes move as we walk. Association is what the brain is trained to do (hence making robots to identify is incredibly hard), so we discard hordes of information every second; each letter I type I disregard (unless it underlines saying I suck at spelling).

      Now we have a new tool; cellphones, IM's, laptops, and ewww....facebook... It is just another tool, I'm sure when early man came up with the idea of a wheel he obsessed with it. Eventually this will all become background as we learn to filter out rubbish. A lot of us have learned to filter that out already, I check my email but if I have a IM pop up, I usually just glance at who it is and finish what I'm doing.

      Or it's possible that the over population and lack of natural selection (by that I mean, the less 'fit' humans no longer die easily) selecting those who can focus upon the task handed to them has changed this. Regardless, I think this is a bunch of bunk. We could always be distracted if we wanted to just listening to nature, now it's the technology age and we haven't wrapped our brains around the social impact of it. We will learn to filter out irrelevance like we do the wind.

  31. What was precious by scarcity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is now worthless by plenty.

    There is more value in one essay from Plato, than in all the blogs and comments that are writ each day.

    This one included.

  32. Mischaracterization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We may be creating a ton of data, but that is not the equivalent of a ton of information. And even a lot of that is probably information in such a limited scope (ie, access records to your cats blog page) that in the macro sense it is just noise.

  33. Data Information by blair1q · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or is that Information Data?

    Whichever, Schmidt has it wrong.

    We're producing reams of data. Its information content is probably log(log(O)) as great as its data content, since log(O) is pretty much how information and data relate in the first place, and we're keeping what seems like exponentially more data than we would have thought to save in the pre-nearly-free-storage days.

  34. Global Warming by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So this explains why the Global Warming groups hide their data/programs.

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  35. Priorities by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who's got time for a victim in Afghanistan or end-of-life issues with all these Tweets coming in?

    What a shame. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Tweets are twaddle.

    Perhaps we're all easily distracted - or need to be distracted. Perhaps wars half a world away or end-of-life issues are too sad, distant or abstract, to be a priority for thought, but they are there and they are real.

    As I've mentioned before: I know the world simply disappeared for me when my wife was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer in November 2005. All I could see and hear was her for the next seven weeks until she died in my arms. Twenty years together and a simple headache changed the course of two lives forever. Now I have trouble seeing or hearing anything. The future is gone and my star shines no more.

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    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
  36. tl:dr by dwbassett42 · · Score: 1

    See subject.

  37. The need for open source sensemaking tools by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    See my comments in this thread here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1746980&cid=33177866 in the article on the CIA developer going open source. One point I make is that the USA spends literally billions of dollars on developing ways for people in the intelligence community to make sense of a deluge of information; why should such tools not be FOSS and available to every person to help think through complex issues and improve their local community? See also Doug Engelbart's aspirations for Augment. I am working on such FOSS tools here as I have spare time:
      http://sourceforge.net/projects/pointrel/

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  38. Dark Nights of the Soul by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry to hear that. This is what little help I can provide:
        "Dark Nights of the Soul: A Guide to Finding Your Way Through Life's Ordeals" by Thomas Moore
        http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Nights-Soul-Finding-Through/dp/1592400671
    "When it comes to spiritual growth, we humans are solar-seeking beings; eager for the bright lights of clarity and the bliss of illumination. Paradoxically, we all need to walk through the shadow of the dark night in order to discover a life worth living, according to psychotherapist and spiritual commentator Thomas Moore. Unlike depression, which is more of an emotional state, Moore calls the dark night a slow transformation process, which is fueled by a profound period of doubt, disorientation and questioning. Ultimately, a journey into the dark night will reshape the very meaning of your life. As a self-proclaimed "lunar type," Moore is comfortable leading his clients and readers into the shadows, where ambiguities and mysteries lurk around every corner. He describes the dark night journey in stages, starting with feeling distant from your life even as you continue to go through the motions. The second phase is "liminality," meaning living on the threshold between the known self and the unknown self. This is perhaps the most uncomfortable phase as the dark night may "take you away from the cultivation and persona you have developed in your education and from family learning," he explains. After dwelling in this murky darkness, there's a stage of "re-incorporation," in which one integrates the profound inner transitions into daily life. Like a tour guide to the underworld, Moore leads readers through all these phases, offering tools and rituals for making the journey more tolerable or at least more meaningful. He also speaks to the many arenas and stages of life in which we might find ourselves stumbling through the dark, with chapters on marriage, parenting, sexuality, creativity and health. The scope is ambitious, and at times the structure seems disjointed--but this is perhaps Moore's best contribution since Care of the Soul, proving once again that he is a wise and formidable spiritual teacher. (Gail Hudson)"

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    1. Re:Dark Nights of the Soul by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

      tl;dr

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:Dark Nights of the Soul by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      LOL. :-)

      More long stuff by me: :-)
      "Post-Scarcity Princeton, or, Reading between the lines of PAW for prospective Princeton students, or, the Health Risks of Heart Disease "
      http://www.pdfernhout.net/reading-between-the-lines.html
      "Beyond a Jobless Recovery: A heterodox perspective on 21st century economics"
      http://knol.google.com/k/paul-d-fernhout/beyond-a-jobless-recovery
      "[p2p-research] Rebutting Communiqué from an Absent Future (was Re: Information on student protests)"
      http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch_listcultures.org/2009-November/006005.html

      Mostly boils down to get your vitamin D, eat whole foods, appreciate nature and community and the infinite, and be nice and cooperative and sharing and curious, and have both roots and wings as Henry Ward Beecher said. :-) Or essentially, as Robert Fulghum said:
          "All I really need to know I learned in Kindergarten (or by homeschooling :-)"
          http://www.peace.ca/kindergarten.htm
      (Well, at least if you use sprouted grains or other whole foods to make the cookies mentioned there and also make your own almond milk. :-)

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      A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  39. Re:A walk through the forest is informationally ri by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I think more or less this guy is just whining that people don't pay attention to what he thinks is important. I see no evidence that people aren't capable of paying attention to important things anymore. However not everyone considers everything important the same as everyone else. Also there's the simple fact that when talking about bad news, after awhile you get dull to it and you don't want to hear anymore, you want an escape. I certainly remember that on 9/11. After watching the news on it for a few hours I had to tune to Comedy Central, one of the few networks doing regular programming. While I certainly felt the events were important, I couldn't handle any more. It was overwhelming, I needed some escapism and something to try and make me laugh.

    Something else he's missing is that with the increase in information has come an increase in our ability to sift and filter. So while there are mountains of information out there, you can filter it to only what it important to you much easier. It isn't as though you are forced to wade through irrelevance, unless you want to.

  40. Plato. He does nothing! by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Next time you encounter a problem you think that you might find a solution to by googling for someone else's already existing solution - just read Plato instead.
    You wouldn't want to use some worthless solution someone "writ" on a forum or a blog somewhere, now would you?

    And tacking on that "Hey, my comment is worthless too..." is the same thing as asking loaded questions.

    BTW, this particular post's monetary value may be only 17004 dollars, 8250 Euros and 99147 Yen, but its cultural value is priceless.

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    1. Re:Plato. He does nothing! by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      BTW, this particular post's monetary value may be only 17004 dollars, 8250 Euros and 99147 Yen, but its cultural value is priceless.

      Wow, your rates are way off. Better fix em before someone takes advantage of you and buys your post for only 8250 euros, or, even worse 100k yen!

      It should be 17004 dollars, 13263 euros, and 1,458,433 yen.

      Or, if you truly feel it's only worth 8250 euros, then it should be 10560 dollars or 905,685 yen.

      I can't imagine you'd only think it's worth 100k yen, that's barely 1,000 dollars.

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      Security is mostly a superstition... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. - Helen Keller
  41. Server farm fans = crashing waves by Pezbian · · Score: 1

    your interpret the sound waves of information as noise because you're unable to comprehend any deeper meaning than the existence of waves crashing nearby.

    I hear that, loud and clear (no pun intended, ever). I remember when I tried to make the most quiet computer possible and found that, while the computer was dead-quiet, I couldn't concentrate worth a damn. Years later, I discovered that while my teen years had me throwing way too many fans in a computer because it was the hip thing to do at the time (loud meant fast in 1997), I got a whole lot more done because the noise drowned out the other sounds around me.

    I now have a ten node renderfarm I like to work right next to. It was built to be quiet by server standards, but with almost a hundred fans, it's still loud enough to drown out most of the airplanes that fly over in the process of landing at the airport three miles away.

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    In a world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king--and the two-eyed man is a heretic.
  42. Sturgeon's Law still applies by Liambp · · Score: 1

    Sturgeon astutely pointed out that 90% of everything is crap. In this era of information overload it has become impossible to sensibly sort out the good 10% from the crap 90% so the only rational solution is to narrow your focus to the first few non-crap pieces of information you happen to stumble upon. We nerdy types often berate non techies for the non-optimal way they use technology and yet for the vast majority of people life is just too short to figure out the "best" way to protect your files against antivirus or the quickest way to rename a group of files. It is entirely rational that most people latch on to the first method they stumble across which sort of works and stick with it.

    1. Re:Sturgeon's Law still applies by daveime · · Score: 1

      90% of our entire lives is composed of crap, and has been since long before Twitter and Facebook.

      People spend hours and hours every day, gossiping about who said what, who did what, blah, blah, blah. The content of most conversations consist of talking about oneself, or talking about some third party, what you did yesterday, what you will do tomorrow.

      It's ALL noise ... the only difference is its now digital noise, whereas before it was analogue noise.

  43. wrong metric by Surt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We RECORD more information. Information has been produced in rough proportion to the population at pretty much the same rate as ever.

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    "Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
  44. To be fair... by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We probably spend more time thinking about victims in Afghanistan than we did before we had the Internet.

  45. Re:Fuck Islam! by Nethead · · Score: 1

    I think he just has a crush on Cat Stevens.

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  46. Who has time for a victim in Afghanistan? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    60-70 years ago, who heard of Afghanistan? Who heard about a victim in a city one state away, let alone had time for victims in the same city?

  47. pandora88004 by pandora88004 · · Score: 0

    rosetta stone rosetta stone rosetta stone language rosetta stone language rosetta stone spanish rosetta stone spanish abercrombie and fitch abercrombie and fitch Abercrombie Fitch Abercrombie Fitch Abercrombie Clothing Abercrombie Clothing pandora pandora pandora schmuck pandora schmuck pandora armband pandora armband tiffany tiffany tiffany jewellery tiffany jewellery tiffany rings tiffany rings

  48. Narrow Focus by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    Sometimes narrow focus is a good thing. Just because there is all of that information available does not mean that it is good or reliable. When we learn which sources are consistently reliable we can focus on them and ignore the unreliable ones. Thus we have narrowed our focus in a positive way. I'm assuming here that the choice of reliable sources is made intelligently and objectively (as is humanly possible) and not just cherry picked to suit personal/subjective outlooks. Of course I did not read TFA. Doing so would have been way too wide angle. Fish-eye almost.

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  49. Having too much DATA can distract you from info by rcamans · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We do not create much information each day. Information is actually useful stuff.
    What we create tons of each day is useless data and distractions from reality.
    Tons of BS and actual anti-information (lies and errors).
    Tons of anti-data.
    Tons of anti-reality.

    Like for instance the title of this thread...

    or most anything else on slashdot...

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    1. Re:Having too much DATA can distract you from info by rcamans · · Score: 1

      The best example of anti-information currently available is of course from our federal government, courtesy of wikileaks. Yes, I am talking about the afgan war documents. And the feds were feeding that crap to themselves.
      Yum yum

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  50. When people say "TMI"... by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

    I really focus on very few things only.........

  51. Infowhosits by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

    > every two days we create as much information as we did from the beginning of civilization through 2003

    Bollocks. We create none; information is ordered matter and/or energy. It can only be transformed. We may be making more of it more readily accessible to ourselves, but it was energy before that, matter before that, etc. If we created information directly there'd be less problem with carbon dioxide now and Google wouldn't be planning an arctic climate data center just for the cold air. And don't bother with the narrow viewpoint caused by belief in thermodynamics instead of understanding; if entropy ruled locally you'd have gone from egg and sperm to waste.

    Information can interact and generate apparently simplistic structures etc. out of complex dynamics, just as you appear to be a body rather than the similar set of complex dynamic interactions that you are. Don't confuse apparent structure with underlying dynamics or emergent properties with actual physical manifestation. Information metabolism.

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    "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
  52. Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't create more information now, we share more information now. We have always created mass amounts of information. We have just recently found an infinite forum to post the information. If a tree falls in the woods, does it make information?

  53. Well, by mr_da3m0n · · Score: 1

    I have ADHD you insensitive clods.

    Okay seriously, because of that condition, reading that article just made me think "No shit, sherlock". Because I get that on a much smaller scale, so it felt pretty obvious to me ;)

  54. Ignorance is strength... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...or something like that.

  55. Having Too Much Information Can Narrow Your Focus by infolation · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reducing my information intake is precisely why I never RTFA.

  56. False premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who decides what's important? Sure. The politically correct opinion would be that some victim in Afghanistan is at least if not more important than the local news from my own town and as such I should pay attention to it. I think this is wrong. Of course that suffering is very bad and deserves attention, but TO ME it is just not important because it does not have anything to do with me, not even remotely. I'm willing to bet that deep down most people feel this way to some degree. I'm just more honest about it than most.

    I always hate it when there happens some disaster in a far away place and it's the only thing the tv news covers for a week, or more. Yes. I know something terrible has happened. Now stop harassing me about it.

    The great thing about the current system is that we can sift through information to filter out the things we're interested in. There's no shame in that.

  57. 'comma' != 'equal' by denzacar · · Score: 1

    You see me using an 'equal' sign, AKA ' = '? Maybe you should check out this story.
    That particular post was worth 17004 dollars AND 8250 Euros AND 99147 Yen.

    This one is worth 5672 dollars, 4571 Australian dollars and 65001 Cuban pesos (in the form of 3-pesos Che bills).

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  58. Also true in technology by hessian · · Score: 1

    I experience this often: if you go looking for information on a procedure, like tethering a smart phone, you find not one reputable source with all the answers, but hundreds or thousands of competing similar answers.

    Each of these misses some vital piece of the information, but has the rest.

    It's like life needs an editor or an ego to take in all this great information, filter out the crap and fix the errors, and produce one definitive solution.

    Instead we have informational chaos.

    1. Re:Also true in technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      when you find out the missing piece you are supposed to put up a HOWTO, or leave a comment, edit the wiki, etc. That's how it works.
      Excuse the world for not presenting you with the exact information you were looking for in the precise format you needed.

  59. Re:A walk through the forest is informationally ri by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

    The difference is that the brain accepts the sound of crashing waves as background information that requires little thought.
    The argument is that there is now so much information that "demands" thought, that it overwhelms us, and we start "dropping packets"... including packets containing important information.

  60. So basically, we should stop reading slashdot? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He has a valid point. More information != better informed. I could spend all day following celeb drivel and not know what days it is.

    BUT I object to the "caring about some victim in Pakistan". I can be very well informed, and still not give a shit. Why does being informed having to mean I should care? There are plenty of rich muslim nations, let them donate some for a change. They wanted their own Red Cross, let it take care of their own. You see, being well informed means knowing that the Red Moon isn't all that well organized and Muslim nations that insisted it be created are very poor donors (pledges mean nothing, money actually paid out counts).

    So, if Iran doesn't care, why should I?

    Being well informed I also know that any money I donate personally in such a country will not reach the people I intend it to go to. An uninformed person might think ten bucks goes to feed a starving family. An informed person knows it goes to some tribal chiefs new car.

    It is tricky isn't it? An uninformed person doesn't have a bleeding heart because they don't know about it. An informed person heart isn't bleeding because he knows the background.

    Perhaps what the article writer wants is to have people informed JUST enough so they agree with his vision of the world. After all, someone who thinks exactly like me must be very well informed and highly intelligent. If a person who thinks exactly like me was a blittering idiot... well that just isn't possible. I might be thought to be a blittering idiot and clearly I am not!

    Just what is living a life. What is an accomplishment? If a person enjoys twittering, then isn't that living the life he wants to life? Some say an achievement is to go forth and reproduce. If you haven't got a dozen kids or more, you are failing. But because someone else thinks that, does that mean everyone should think that.

    Life is futile. No matter what you do, you die and the way our society works we need more passive people then revolutionaries. If everyone made a difference in the world, we would never get done reading the newspaper.

    99% of people life in their own small part of the world, barely touching the rest of it. They collect matchboxes or know every soccer match ever played and then they die and it is gone. They mattered in their own little world but in the global scheme of things? Not so much. That is life. Learn to accept it or run for president... and what will Clinton and Bush be known for? Getting bush in and global war. I think someone scoring 1000 tweets is a lot less harmful.

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    1. Re:So basically, we should stop reading slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, if Iran doesn't care, why should I?

      Are you a tribalist or a humanist? A universalist or a sectarian? What does Iran have to do with the plight of a girl in Pakistan? What does Iran's attitude have to do with your attitude? etc.

    2. Re:So basically, we should stop reading slashdot? by u38cg · · Score: 1
      Perhaps you should try looking up information before sounding off with a thinly veiled rant. The Red Cross is the same thing as the Red Crescent. Each country has its own organisation and structure, and there are two separate umbrella organisations that co-ordinate international effort as required. There are three main symbols for the Red Cross - the cross itself, the crescent moon of Islam, and a red lozenge symbol used by the Israelis. There are also a couple of defunct ones as well. As for where your money goes, that's a lazy argument to justify inaction. It is not that hard to find a responsible charity that will use money effectively.

      Of course, a really well informed person would know enough economics to campaign for the abolition of Western farm subsidies and the freeing of international trade so that these countries could actually become rich enough to cope with natural disaster without having to put out the begging bowl.

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    3. Re:So basically, we should stop reading slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So your saying what?

  61. Don't bother, honestly. by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 1
    The REAL big picture of this story, from wikileaks: "The proposed PR strategies focus on pressure points that have been identified within these countries. For [Insert Country Here] it is the sympathy of the public for Afghan refugees and women.".

    FTFA: "reality of what is happening — and what can happen — in a war that affects and involves all of us. I would rather confront readers with the Taliban’s treatment of women than ignore it.". Time Managing Editor Richard Stengel.

    I will come back to the thread later, when there are several hundred comments to read.

    Not much to write about an article claiming that we should be looking at the big picture while in reality deviously trying to obscure the real big picture by appealing to our emotions and instincts to care and protect. As many scientists need to know - It's hard to put emotions aside, and look at the raw numbers to see just who is hurting most and why. That is the only way to look at the "big picture", not this crap story which is doing the opposite.

    BTW, here is another CIA Red Cell PR campaign, this time directed at Americans more than anyone else, appealing to the almighty $.

  62. Search by neoshroom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One problem is that "information" is largely supposed to make things easier by giving you access to something that was already done: someone else already went out there and collected meticulous information on frog populations, so it's easier to get access to that information than go out and count frogs yourself. But as information multiplies, sometimes it really is easier to just count the damn frogs instead of making sense of the voluminous and often inconsistent frog literature. Diderot noticed this in 1755, in a famous passage:

    "As long as the centuries continue to unfold, the number of books will grow continually, and one can predict that a time will come when it will be almost as difficult to learn anything from books as from the direct study of the whole universe. It will be almost as convenient to search for some bit of truth concealed in nature as it will be to find it hidden away in an immense multitude of bound volumes."

    I disagree. What we actually find is that paragons are held up and improved upon and our search skills have exceeded what Diderot expected. Diderot foresaw in a library of a billion books that if you wanted to know how tall the local mountain was, it may actually be faster to simply go to the local mountain and plot it's height than to actually wade through all those books for the precise piece of information.

    However, in reality, it didn't end up like that at all. We type "What is the height of Blue Mountain?" in Google and the first link spits out "2320 feet." It isn't faster at all to go examine nature for myself. If anything in spite of increased information our speed of going through books has been amplified to an even greater degree.

    And as for frogs. There probably are paragon studies of them, best-done studies. There are also probably studies where people spent 20 years studying local frog populations and things do time-consuming and in depth that it would take a whole life to replicate, but which can be called up on a whim in seconds.

    Diderot was really, really wrong.

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  63. The Shockwave Rider by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    "It's not because my mind is made up that I don't want you to confuse me with any more facts.

    "It's because my mind isn't made up. I already have more facts than I can cope with.

    "So SHUT UP, do you hear me? SHUT UP!"

    The Shockwave Rider by John Brunner

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  64. Low quality information has negative value... by syousef · · Score: 1

    ...because you have to sort out the garbage from the truth after you narrow down what you're looking for. and that requires effort. That doesn't mean all information is low value or has negative value. Take a look at the Internet. I might google specialist information, but i'm much more likely to go to a specialist source such as arxiv for astronomy or pubmed for medical literature because I know that information is higher quality than every nut job's take on Relativity or Immunology.

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  65. Bus accidents by Sqreater · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I haven't heard about any bus accidents in India lately. Have they stopped driving buses in India? I'm concerned about the current lack of such information coming out of India.

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  66. Much of Patrick Troughton Dr. Who is lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Look how many films from as late as the 1970s have already deteriorated and are lost." - by PopeRatzo (965947) * on Friday August 13, @07:04PM (#33246972) Homepage

    See subject-line above, & the BBC lost a LOT (iirc, most of in fact) the entire Dr. Who series during the Patrick Troughton years (with that actor portraying "the Good Doctor") of the mid 1960's & into the early 1970's are gone/lost (1964-1973) as well as a good deal of the original actor's episodes starring William Hartnell also.

    APK

    P.S.=> Merely posting "another example thereof" is all with the example above, & mainly because I know there are more than a few Doctor Who fans around here like myself, and that this might interest they, as well as keeping on topic in reply here... apk

  67. That is not information, it is moving matter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no "deeper meaning" to the sound of waves crashing. It is simply a consequence of a wave of seawater rolling into the shore. You can analyze it and try to discern the mechanism of the sound, but that doesn't make the sound information.

    More accurately, you can look at the world as an undifferentiated mass of information, but you will be the poorer for it. Your focus is narrowed in the sense that the richness of experience, existence and interaction is dulled by being overly cerebral.

  68. Re:A walk through the forest is informationally ri by amanicdroid · · Score: 1

    It asks for your attention. You make the choice to give it.

    Mothers have had to deal with information overload for millenia, drivers for a century. The whole argument is asinine as it assumes that people lack the capability of filtering.

    We've always ignored the suffering if it doesn't almost directly impinge on our own existence.

    Little that we're doing is actually changing, merely the methods shift and sometimes speed events up.

  69. Re:A walk through the forest is informationally ri by amanicdroid · · Score: 1

    *..the suffering of others if it..*

  70. Dark Nights of the Soul video with Thomas Moore by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    BTW, a two minute video on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BLzvF6G4Ns

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  71. "No We don't--" have "more info--" we have DATA by theNAM666 · · Score: 1

    As presented, Eric would be being a bit obtuse.

    In that period, we produce more data-- largely because Google and others record it.

    Whether we should call a 100-fold increase in the amount of data we store about the moons of Saturn, "information," is another debate.

    It is, however, "not the same thing" as the information produced, say, pre-2000.

    Schmidt knows this.

    At the same time, we have more information in the sense that more of the world's libraries and publications are more easily accessible to each of this.

    This would seem to be in the end a good thing.

    We also have more information in the sense that there are more scholars and others, writing.

    This is not clearly good, as "publish or perish" may produce more noise than signal.

    Finally, we have more, more good and more complex information-- the "information overload" talked about by Vannevar Bush.

    This is a good thing-- we know a lot more-- but it's hard to keep up with. (In the middle of a war, which of ten reports on bubonic plague was Bush better off reading?)

    All that said, the original article has little-to-nothing to do with this, or Eric Schmidt; anyone who has studied media in Third-Reich Germany, has a hint that this is not a new issue.

  72. P2P is a backup device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's not really permanent unless someone cares enough to maintain it

    .. and in comes P2P to save the day. Just upload your files to a P2P network (or several, for Redundancy) and come back in a couple of years. Anything worth saving you'll still be able to find. ---- Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the squid!

  73. Captain Obvious to the rescue by Haedrian · · Score: 1

    In other news, the sky is blue*, fire is hot and the earth is round.

    *on earth from earth.

  74. beginning of civiliz. to 2003 by AHHHNUULDDD · · Score: 1

    beginning of civiliz. to 2003...wow that's pretty recent...I say just turn off your computer and use it when it's important, when you need retrieval of specific info.