Slashdot Mirror
Russian Scholar Warns Of US Climate Change Weapon
According to Russian political scientist, and conspiracy aficionado Andrei Areshev the high heat, and poor crop yields of Russia, and other Central Asian countries may be the result of a climate weapon created by the US military. From the article: "... Areshev voiced suspicions about the High-Frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP), funded by the US Defense Department and the University of Alaska. HAARP, which has long been the target of conspiracy theorists, analyzes the ionosphere and seeks to develop technologies to improve radio communications, surveillance, and missile detection. Areshev writes, however, that its true aim is to create new weapons of mass destruction 'in order to destabilize environmental and agricultural systems in local countries.'"
But we'll stop if you pay us ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
I still cannot find the droids I am looking for...
In Russia this type of propaganda is as acceptable as Americans whole believe Obama is not a US citizen.
When the foot seeks the place of the head, the line is crossed. Know your place. Keep your place. Be a shoe.
It's called "SUV".
Table-ized A.I.
The one that heats the ionosphere, and has an effect on the scale of an immersion heater in the Yukon river. That HAARP. Of course it's to blame.
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
Didn't a bunch of whackjobs a few years ago try and claim that Hurricane Katrina was the result of some Weather Control Device created by the Axis of Evil?
We already made the unfounded claim that all natural disasters and climate related problems on the Earth are due to women dressing immodestly.
Hey, do you think I can get an article posted if I post a link to a paranoid rant about Obama's birth certificate?
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
E pluribus sanguinem
We live in a relatively closed system. If we were trying to "heat" you up, that heat will come back around and hit our west coast. But, as with most conspiracies, it's hilarious to watch at least. Somehow people think we can come up with a grand scheme to manipulate the weather of foreign nations, put it into action, _and_ keep it quiet, yet our government can't figure out how to win a simple war and keep the documents classified during it (WikiLeaks/Afghanistan)?
If something like this makes the front page at slashdot, what's next? Roswell aliens, JFK Conspiracy theories, how about the 9/11 conspiracy saying the fed's were behind everything? Is it possible to have the slightest bit of editorial standards at this website?
If it was real you would think we would pick better targets such as:
Oh but I guess picking bad targets must be part of the conspiracy because that would hide the conspiracy. But then, knowing that I know that they know that I know then they would pick good targets.
OK I'll take the bullet and get the meme out of the way so we can focus on serious-business /. discussion.
"In Soviet Russia, Climate changes you!"
Why don't they just stuff the civilians into some bunkers and Iron Curtain them, until the weather clears?
Emotions! In your brain!
One might be a "Political Scientist" in much the same way as one might be an "Honest Politician".
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
Couldn't possibly happen, because the Russians have prior art on this: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Russian_Woodpecker
The conspiracy-theories for the Russian Woodpecker were primarily mind control and weather modification.
But then again, if they didn't patent it, maybe we could use it after all.
Sarcasm alert - I know that citing patents and prior art against secret government weapons is silly. Sometimes the secret government weapons are, too.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Seriously, wasn't Putin saying something a few years ago that he would welcome global warming, inasmuch as Russia would benefit due to longer growing seasons, more tractable land, etc.?
Here we go: 'Putin pointed out that "an increase of two or three degrees wouldn't be so bad for a northern country like Russia. We could spend less on fur coats, and the grain harvest would go up".'
According to the article, there was some disagreement if this was just snarky or held a "grain" of truth.
I am not a crackpot.
It's just a big microwave pointed at the sky. It illuminates a stream of charged particles which circle the earth at high latitude, known as the electrojets. By heating and cooling this stream of particles in the ionosphere, we were able to modulate a signal onto the electrojet (since it's conductivity is temperature dependent), turning the electrojet into a gigantic low frequency antenna. We used the signals generated to study the ionosphere and magnetosphere of the earth.
As much as I would like to be able to claim that it can be used to control the weather, such far-fetched notions are pure fantasies, spawned from the minds of those who don't understand the physics of space plasmas. Or have any notion of what a plasma is. Or how weather patterns are created. I mean hell, we were barely able to use it to generate a coherent signal using the electrojet (already quite the feat of science). How the hell could we use it to affect the weather???
-- Let us endeavor so to live that when we pass even the undertaker shall be sorry. -- M. Twain
That's a weird spelling of SUV.
No Mr Bond, I expect you to fry
Ceci n'est pas un sig.
This can be defeated by the: Guided Universal Indepednant Not Near Earth Survival System, or GUINNESS.
I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
I would less call it 'censored' and more selectively reported in order to appeal to viewers, since viewers are what drive advertising revenue. People generally do not want to hear bad things about their country unless it is bad things they can attribute to people they already do not like.. and when they do, they vote with their dollars and view elsewhere.
No conspiracy or control needed.. just simple economics and self interest on the part of the networks.
"And in what way was the Vietnam war in any way profitable for anybody?" Weapons sales? Vietnam war ushered in a whole new weapons system (M-16) for US soldiers and brand new vehicles, as well as new body armor, clothing and defoliants. It was a cash cow for weapons manufacture. Shoot we were dropping brand new helicopters off of ships when we left and left a number of large weapons caches as well. We didn't even blow them up.
I would less call it 'censored' and more selectively reported in order to appeal to viewers, since viewers are what drive advertising revenue. People generally do not want to hear bad things about their country unless it is bad things they can attribute to people they already do not like.. and when they do, they vote with their dollars and view elsewhere. No conspiracy or control needed.. just simple economics and self interest on the part of the networks.
EIther way the media controls public opinion and the media is driven by an agenda. In some ways a conspiracy would be "better" since it would likely make mistakes at some point. No, this is worse. This is the work of "true believers". A conspirator in the usual sense knows he is lying, knows he is up to no good, has to keep his story straight. None of that applies to a true believer who can see it no other way.
If you want a fascinating look at the way our media is, just do some research on how they report anything remotely gun-control related. A person legally carrying a firearm stops a crime? The news media says "the attacker was subdued until police arrived". A criminal illegally uses a gun to commit a crime? You get the detailed, moment-by-moment account of the struggle, because guns are bad and independent action even worse, mmkay? There is a definite agenda. It carries a definitely discernable message. One or two stories here and there are one thing but this pattern is amazingly consistent. So are many others. Really, look up this topic and see for yourself how egregious it really is. I am not remotely beginning to describe the depth of it.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
As much as I would like to be able to claim that it can be used to control the weather, such far-fetched notions are pure fantasies, spawned from the minds of those who don't understand the physics of space plasmas. Or have any notion of what a plasma is. Or how weather patterns are created. I mean hell, we were barely able to use it to generate a coherent signal using the electrojet (already quite the feat of science). How the hell could we use it to affect the weather???
Let's put on the tinfoil propeller-beanie and spin up some conjectures, shall we? B-)
For starters, your power is not limited to your own input. You're using a nonlinear process (in this case, parametric amplification) to modulate power obtained from other sources (the solar bombardment of the Earth with charged particles). You're the "control grid", not the "plate supply".
How might you get from modulated ionospheric currents to weather manipulation. There are several proposals. But let's bring Tesla into the mix (along with published experiments from the HAARP site): You could pump resonances in the ionosphere/earth-surface cavity - dumping that solar power into vertical electric fields between the Eartj and the sky.
Pumping the ~8Hz fundamental resonance (the one Tesla wanted to use as a power transmission system) would just excite the whole planet. No aim. But pumping harmonics - especially if you pumped several at once with controlled phases and possibly controlled locations of the excitation - could give you patches with higher and lower field strengths, hologram style. You'd still be aiming at large regions rather than tight locations. But TFA's conspiracy theory involves a target of subcontinental scale, so that's still fine.
How might subsonic vertical electrical fields affect weather? Modulating cloud-charging mechanisms and thus affecting nucleation of raindrops, just for starters. (Also triggering lightning, etc. The sprite/jet mechanism seems to combine with lightning and other tropospheric charge-carrying mechanisms to complete a circuit between the ionosphere and the surface. A major AC field concentration might affect that. And discharges are a negative-resistance so they can pump surface heat-engine energy into the resonances, too. More available power. Muuhhhhahaha!) Increase nucleation to dump water in places where it's useless and dry the air, dump heat-of-condensation and/or reflect sunlght to steer winds, etc. You don't have to be perfect - just reduce the rain by a fraction to dry out an area.
While we're at it, let's try earthquakes, too:
You've got single- and double-digit low frequencies to play with (and more if you're not limited to that cavity's resonance). What can you do with them? Such low frequencies penetrate the Earth's surface to considerable depth. Lots of minerals are piezoelectric. How about shaking a mechanical resonance to pump up some vibration near an earthquake fault that's got enough stress to let go? You couldn't make quakes out of thin air (or thick dirt). But moving their schedule up from "some time in the next 60 years" to "now, when they would do our nefarious plan some good" would be a useful tool. Finding the resonance wouldn't be too hard with some sensors on the ground - at these frequencies you could run a feedback loop by radio back to the control system to tune the excitation.
= = = =
Of course you're playing with plasma, with LOTS of nonlinear effects (as well as the possibility of longitudinal as well as transverse waves). The tale-spinning opportunities are boundless.
= = = =
Putting aside the beanie...
Is any of this (or other similar stuff) even remotely possible? Damfino. This yarn is about stringing together some halfway-plausible mechanisms for conspiracy theorists to talk about. HAARP is about actually doing the cutting-edge research to see whether any of the pieces (or something similar) could actually work. ("Or at least that's the cover story. Muuuhhhahaha!")
Of cour
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
And in what way was the Vietnam war in any way profitable for anybody? There was no money to be made on that war.
OIL, and now that you have the answer, did you really need to ask?
There was a lot of tungsten too to be mined.
And to be fair, if the farmers had stopped supporting the Geurilla VC (1970's speak for terrorist) then we wouldn't have been dropping bombs on them.
Please go get a dictionary, and look up the word terrorist. The Vietnamese were fighting for independence from France. You know, like july 4th? Ho Chi Minh was Vietnam's George Washington.
The basic rule is: terrorists target only civilians. Soldiers target soldiers. So if you drive a truck full of fertiliser bombs into a military barracks, that is not terrorism, regardless of what the military might say. The northern Vietnamese militants are in the grey area that while fighting against other soldiers, also target civilians unnecessarily, the US troops in Vietnam are also in this grey area.
"Vietnam war in any way profitable for anybody?" ... does that come from 100% end to end US gov mines, steel mills, farms, factories, R&D ect? :) With a extra layer for of profit for support and mercs too :)
US weapons, airframes, sigintel, uniforms, food, oil
Most of the above are in private hands or have shareholders that get a nice return on investemnt for any new system tested, deployed or upgraded.
To them distant death is a car, holiday, better private school, medical care, extra homes, toys.. the good life.
Any US politician talking of arms reductions would by default be talking of profit reductions. That is really not a good place to be in unless a whole new system replace the old.
The average US taxpayers may eat the public debt, people who dont pay much tax create vast amounts of generational wealth.
Ready to push back into the next small war
As for climate change Cuba faced some interesting pest outbreaks and a few very real export destroying missions.
The idea that weather could altered at a local level to do the same is ??? The historical desire is in place, the rest would be tech.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Go to the HAARP website, and look up the online data. Call up the Magnetometer Charts, specifically the archives.
Look at a few of the charts, zoom in, zoom out, change the dates, play with it a bit.
Now...
1. Go to a "history timeline" website, one that specifically deals with major events in the last decade. This is a reasonably okay one?
2. Go back to your magnetometer chart. Zoom in to a 2-week data range, starting 1 week before a major event, and ending 1 week after.
3. Look at how the dataline is relatively flat. RELATIVELY flat, mind you, compared to the other data.
4. Look at the massive spike either just before, or right AT the event. For example, look at the data for the morning of 9/11.
5. Now look at the data for every single major security scare, national security event, or even a major natural disaster where everyone got worked up into a froth, or there were a lot of people injured or otherwise killed.
Isnt' that interesting?
Now then, I am NOT suggesting that HAARP was responsible for 9/11 or the Haiti earthquake. Please, don't even go there.
What I am suggesting, is that major catastrophes have an effect on the magnetosphere, effects that can be measured.
Now here's the $100,000.00 question?
Exactly what is it surrounding these events that is affecting the earth's magnetosphere? Radio traffic? Cellphone traffic? Pumping up the satellite feed to overcome interference?
Some have suggested that human emotions are responsible. That's a bit of a reach, though. Isn't it?
[End Of Line]