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7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail

Whether they spoil in the heat, freeze in the winter, or get taken out by a human-friendly venue of vultures, a zombie outbreak is unlikely to succeed. Here's 7 reasons why we should stop worrying about the shambling dead and start concentrating on a real threat: sparkly vampires.

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  1. Reason #0 by BSAtHome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are no zombies?

    1. Re:Reason #0 by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But there is a huge market for all things zombie, and it doesn't even seem to have peaked yet. Zombies are the new vampires, and to date none of them sparkle in the sun.

      Most of the zombie fiction is just a different approach to RPG-style problem solving, and has the same appeal. A zombie outbreak happens near you, and the zombies work this way. What do you do? What do you eat? How do you defend yourself? Do you find others, or avoid others? etc, etc. It's good fun.

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    2. Re:Reason #0 by Korin43 · · Score: 2, Funny

      and to date none of them sparkle in the sun.

      Yet.

    3. Re:Reason #0 by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks. You've ruined Zombie Christmas.

    4. Re:Reason #0 by pgmrdlm · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are no zombies?

      Constructing the Haitian Zombie: An Anthropological Study Beyond Madness

      Persons identified as zombies are to be found among the inhabitants of Haiti, an impoverished and politically unstable Caribbean country with unique cultural characteristics. Using the lens of the anthropologist, an investigation into Haitian zombiism reveals not only a basis for the bizarre phenomenon of zombiism itself, but also the underlying characteristics of Haitian society that have fostered and it. While zombiism may be fundamentally understood in terms of mental illness, particular theories related to madness are useful in further illuminating the subject, including Sigmund Freud’s signature theses on melancholia, Frantz Fanon’s views on the psychological effects of colonialism, and Emily Martin’s ideas about the performance of mental disorders. The resulting analysis will demonstrate that Haitian zombiism constitutes a cultural construct of madness that thoroughly fits within its post-colonial population, where a bereft people have transformed zombiism into a reality.

      PASSAGE OF DARKNESS: THE ETHNOBIOLOGY OF THE HAITIAN ZOMBIE

      Are there really zombies in Haiti? Wade Davis devotes two long sections to this question. He first looks at the popular views and then explores cases where there have been some attempts to carefully and more scientifically determine the status of suspected cases. His key candidate for zombiehood is Clairvius Narcisse. In spring, 1962 Narcisse "died" at the Albert Schweitzer Hospital in Deschapelles, Haiti. His death was verified by the hospital staff. 18 years later Narcisse turned up alive and well, and claimed to be an escaped zombie.

      No, I did not read through those articles. I just remember watching an interview with some scientist that researched out the sposid myth. So I knew therw was legitimate research into it.

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    5. Re:Reason #0 by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 5, Funny

      Keep telling yourself that. You'll be sorry one day when you don't run, and a zombie eats your face.

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    6. Re:Reason #0 by w0mprat · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's a called a Zimboe.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimboe

      Real-life zombies are probably more subtle

      In fact most all of the world has been replaced with Zimboes, and there are very few of us real people left, examples being myself, and Cory Doctorow.

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    7. Re:Reason #0 by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, my neurobiology professor (who has a definite knack for explaining complex ideas in everyday language) gives a great lecture on Haitian zombies from a neurobiological and athropological perspective.

      Basically, some Haitian (or more commonly, a bunch of Haitians) gets really pissed off at a person, and hires a witch doctor to "curse" them. The curse turns out to be slipping them some tetrodotoxin (better known in popular culture as "the thing in blowfish/fugu that paralyzes you"), which then... paralyzes them to a state in which they can be mistaken for dead.

      Most probably die. It's a pretty good poison. But once in a while one of them, after being taken for dead for up to a couple days, actually "comes back to life". This of course freaks everyone out (and gives the witch doctor some major cred). And now this person was officially cursed by the witch doctor, and came back from the dead. He's a zombie! Everyone in town is now both disgusted and somewhat frightened of him, and he starts to believe the stories (and conform to the stereotypes/myths). A zombie is born!

    8. Re:Reason #0 by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention they are forgetting why Zombies ended up winning in the Romero flicks...human stupidity. If you remember the original Dawn of the Dead you had people believing it was part of the judgment and actively hiding dead relatives from the police and by the time they would find a "nest" it would have often spread to an entire building and made the entire building a threat.

      The problem with any of these "disaster A can't happen" is they always assume humans will band together and act logically which if anything history has taught us in a widespread panic humans are as dangerous and stupid as any other scared animal. To quote MiB "A person is smart, people are dumb, dangerous, panicky animals and you know it.

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    9. Re:Reason #0 by Miseph · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Vampires are ancient, evil, debauched, blood drinking, monsters who turn to ash in the sun.

      Fairies are youthful, amoral (note the difference), sparkly, supernatural beings who turn children away from their families and gain strength from human emotions.

      Twilight is about fairies. Really lame fairies.

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    10. Re:Reason #0 by fractoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with any of these "disaster A can't happen" is they always assume humans will band together and act logically which if anything history has taught us in a widespread panic humans are as dangerous and stupid as any other scared animal. To quote MiB "A person is smart, people are dumb, dangerous, panicky animals and you know it.

      You know, I love that quote as much as anyone but I'm not convinced it's true. Think of the times when people really HAVE been up against the wall in large numbers, with a cause they believe in, and I think you'll find that in general, we're pretty good in a pinch. Take, for example, the British in WW2. They're having the absolute shit bombed out of them but they stayed organized for the most part and put up a hell of a fight.

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    11. Re:Reason #0 by fractoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, well our vampire trope was mostly laid down by Bram Stoker, and there was nothing sexy about them back then. They were just a particular kind of mostly-mindless undead with pretty specific rules for how to dispatch them (nothing that doesn't also work on humans, mind you). Later additions by Anne Rice made vampires sexy and mysterious rather than just bloodthirsty and undead. These days they've been romanticised to the point where there are barely any drawbacks to being a vampire (gee thanks Stephanie Meyer).

      Likewise, the original Haitian zombies started off the whole "now he's dead, now he's shuffling around" trend. They've slowly been modified by successive media releases since then and the standard zombie trope is now quite removed from its roots.

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    12. Re:Reason #0 by golden+age+villain · · Score: 4, Funny

      Most of the zombie fiction is just a different approach to RPG-style problem solving

      Do you mean RPG-style like in ruchnoy protivotankoviy granatomyot or RPG-7? It's a good option but you can't really run while carrying it.

    13. Re:Reason #0 by AGMW · · Score: 2, Funny

      Keep telling yourself that. You'll be sorry one day when you don't run, and a zombie eats your face.

      I think they just eat your brains.

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    14. Re:Reason #0 by pinkushun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It all went down hill with Muffy the Vampire Layer IMHO

    15. Re:Reason #0 by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But you are missing the fact that they had Churchill to lead them by example and to rally the troops, whereas in a zombie or other mass disease attack most likely the leaders would run for it like everyone else. We simply don't create leaders like Patton and Churchill anymore, instead we get politicians who will save their own ass first and foremost. Can you really picture Obama (or Palin or your choice of politician) standing there to rally folks with the risk of contagion like Churchill was willing to walk through bombed areas with the threat of further bombing looming?

      Then of course you have the religious aspect, which would REALLY bite us in the ass. If you remember Dawn of the Dead those that believed in the judgment actively helped the zombies believing that the walking monsters were really their dead relatives being risen by their God. In large cities this would create a quickly escalating situation, where just like in the movies believers would attempt to "care" for their dead relatives, getting infected themselves, and by doing so creating "nests" where whole buildings would become infected.

      In the end it would come down to whether or not we have any leaders that are willing to risk their own asses and make the hard choices on the spot. Sadly what we have now is a spoilt ruling class used to be coddled and treated like little kings that would probably abandon us at the first sign of danger to themselves. The days of leaders like Churchill that were willing to risk their lives for their people are long past I'm afraid.

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    16. Re:Reason #0 by silentcoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are no zombies yet.

      FTFY.

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  2. This! by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 2, Informative

    This article is the reason why idle.slashdot.org exists.

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    1. Re:This! by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 4, Informative
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    2. Re:This! by blair1q · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, that article is the reason cracked.com exists.

      This response is the reason idle.slashdot.org exists.

      7. Natural predators can become zombies, too. Then where will your living natural predators be, hmm?

      6. Zombies rose from the dead, some years-dead. Making them deader by drying them out isn't going to affect them.

      6. Zombies rose from the dead. Dead is even more inert than frozen. Therefore, frozen isn't going to faze them.

      5. Biting works for rattlesnakes, black widow spiders, rabid dogs, and yucky girls with cooties. Zombies are onto a business model here.

      3. It's not like we're picking a Zombie President early in the cycle. There are zillions of them. Damage to one leaves another undamaged. You can't beat them in reasonable time with iterative solutions.

      2. You can run. You can hide. But death comes to us all. And then you'll be the zombie in the place behind the incorrectly designated zombie-proof barrier.

      1. Unless you plan to make bullets out of zombie finger bones, you're going to run out of bullets before you run out of zombies. Zillions, man. Zillions.

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    3. Re:This! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless you're talking about Romero's "Dead world" films. Only a bite will infect a living person, true, but anyone who dies and is not disposed of properly rises again for some reason.

        That's The Night of the Living Dead's whole thing, where the zombies dig their way out of graves, unbitten, to attack the whole world at once. The following chaos and disruption greatly increases their numbers not only through bites, but through any incidental deaths that occur.

        If it's viral, and this is unknown, then living tissue is able to defend against the airborne vector but not the bite vector; or perhaps the bite is some form of poison unrelated to the actual infection, which then proceeds as usual after the person dies from the poisonous bite.

      This article's good, but only applies to some zombie scenarios.

    4. Re:This! by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I never thought I would see the day that slashdot linked to cracked

      At least they didn't do it when the majority of their readers were at work. That site is highly addictive and it's likely that no one would have gotten any work done for the rest of the day. Of course, there might be a large chunk of the workforce that goes into work tired tomorrow because they get to sleep late...

  3. #7. They Have Too Many Natural Predators by Ocyris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Come on now. Everyone know if you eat zombie flesh you become a zombie. Before you know it we'll be up to our necks in zombie lion, zombie tiger and zombie bears. However, zombie birds will probably be the worst considering the distances they can cover.

    1. Re:#7. They Have Too Many Natural Predators by jadin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh my!

  4. So tired by LordKaT · · Score: 3, Informative

    So, so tired of zombies, pirates, ninjas, and robots. Jesus, Internet, can you please latch on to something else? Anything? I know whatever it is you latch on to will still get annoying, with 18 year old girls running around pretending to be cute and funny, but just being fucking annoying, but for the love of god, let the Zombie bullshit die.

    1. Re:So tired by sthomas · · Score: 5, Funny

      If they let it die, it might rise again. Like. a. zombie. OMG!!!!!

    2. Re:So tired by mhajicek · · Score: 3, Funny

      Zombie Strippers are okay though.

    3. Re:So tired by Tanman · · Score: 2, Funny

      You ask to let it die, but what if it REFUSES to die. Like a zombie!

  5. Re:One Reason Why by dlawson · · Score: 5, Funny

    You wouldn't be saying that if you'd met some of my managers.

    Brain dead - check; stumbling through life - check; rampant desire to eat people's brains (or simply recruit them to their own viewpoint) - check.

    QED.
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  6. This doesn't seem very scientific... by pedantic+bore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This person is claiming that zombie outbreaks will fail, but where is the evidence? Has there ever been a zombie outbreak that has actually failed for any of these reasons?

    It all seems like blind optimism to me.

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  7. #1 pretty much covers it by confused+one · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We got em, they don't. To quote another fictional character, Neo, "Guns, lots of guns"

    1. Re:#1 pretty much covers it by Shihar · · Score: 2

      It is true, zombie outbreaks are pretty much doomed from the start. I mean shit, just jump in a tank and start killing. It isn't like they can hurt you. It isn't hard to devise a shelter that zombies can't get into where you can safely kill hundreds or thousands. The military alone could probably kill a few thousand per soldier. You might think we have more people than bullets, but seriously, we don't.

      That said, there is way to get around this and let the zombie apocalypse happen. Imagine if zombies come about from a rapture type event. In other words, imagine if all of a sudden 90% of the world drops dead and rises as a zombies all at once. If 9 out of 10 people are suddenly are brainz eating zombies, you would overwhelm the militarys of the world in a few seconds. Imagine if in a barracks of 100 people suddenly all but 10 are zombies. The 10 living folks are probably dead before they wake up. The same goes for all of those well armed red necks. Sure, some will survive, but most are going to either turn into zombies themselves or find their wife or kids chomping on them before they realize anything is wrong. I would rate my scenario like this:

      Before the event - 0 zombies, 6.5 billion humans

      At the moment of the event - 5.85 billion zombies 650 million humans

      5 minutes after the event - ~6.43 billion zombies and 65 million humans (assumes another 90% of the population is killed in the first few moments... basically anyone standing next to someone else is about to get attacked)

      12 hours after the event - I wont do the calculation, but you can safely assume that the vast majority of humans that survived the first 5 minutes inside of a city are dead and the only people left are isolated, rural, and had to kill or flee from everyone they were with when the event happened. You might have just a few million or less humans in all of the world, and a 6.5 billion zombies wandering around.

      I think you would have a pretty convincing zombie apocalypse.

  8. First Page Link by II+Xion+II · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are two pages to the article. Why you link to the second one instead of the main one is beyond me.

    Yes I know people complain about the editors and the like, but is it really that much to ask to link to the main page?

    1. Re:First Page Link by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Funny

      You actually read the f'ing article?

      I'd ask if you're new here, but judging from your user ID, you actually are.

      At least you're grumbling about the editors so I think you'll fit in okay here.

    2. Re:First Page Link by snowgirl · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're really going to tell someone with a UID only 530,295 higher than yours that they're "new here"? Your UID is hardly lower than mine either. Also, do you know what the current UIDs being handed out are? I doubt it.

      I now bow out for someone with a 5 digit UID to come in and smack you around, to be followed by someone with a 4 digit, then finally a 3-digit. (Much lower than that is an extreme rarity... I mean, there ARE in theory only 90 2-digit UIDs...)

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  9. My reason #0 by Megahard · · Score: 2, Funny

    They're DEAD. As in no more. Ceased to be. Gone off to meet their maker. Bereft of life. Shuffled off their mortal coils.

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  10. Page 1 by pgn674 · · Score: 2, Informative
  11. Re:The US by mhajicek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I, for one, leave it to the US to deal with zombie outbreaks. You, guys have so many weapons stashed up it would be a joke to deal with a couple of zombies. Just get to Europe, will ya?

    Sure, like how "we" handled Katrina? The BP spill? Wonderful. The first official act would be to round up all the survivors and confiscate their weapons, then leave them in a stadium with no supplies. Then just one infected gets mixed in with the others...

  12. Reason #8 by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    Zombies feed on brains. Thanks to our fine educational system, we'll starve them out.

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  13. Stephenie Meyer is a talentless hack by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Funny

    Zombies are the new vampires, and to date none of them sparkle in the sun.

    Want to know why zombies are so cool? Because Hollywood will never be able to get 14 year old girls interested in crappy zombie romance/emo books and movies....

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    1. Re:Stephenie Meyer is a talentless hack by Emerssso · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's what you think. Just wait until I finalize the deal with my publisher and my first novel hits the market. It features Zack the Zombie and his star-crossed love affair with teenaged Sarah, a clumsy yet lovable girl I'm sure young women across the country will fall in love with.

    2. Re:Stephenie Meyer is a talentless hack by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It wouldn't be hard to really. Look at the average post-goth teen. They're still in love with death and the macabre. A vampire is just an undead human if you remove the demon aspect. Stephenie Meyer did that *shudder*. I suppose, you could have teen protagonists, one of which dies and comes back, and then they try to make it work. Think about Return of the Living Dead 3 and factor in some of the recent zombie mockumentaries where zombies are vying for civil rights. I think, sadly, a teen zombie romance is a logical eventuality. I'm sorry.

    3. Re:Stephenie Meyer is a talentless hack by Zerth · · Score: 3, Informative

      They made a comedy like that, back in the 90's: My Boyfriend's Back A couple other low-budget ones I can't remember from the 80's, too.

      Can't remember any serious/emo ones, though.

    4. Re:Stephenie Meyer is a talentless hack by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Zombies are the new vampires, and to date none of them sparkle in the sun. Want to know why zombies are so cool? Because Hollywood will never be able to get 14 year old girls interested in crappy zombie romance/emo books and movies....

      It's true. My lack of hygiene, tattered clothes and strange grunting noises prevent any 14 year old girls from taking an interest in me.

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    5. Re:Stephenie Meyer is a talentless hack by ubrgeek · · Score: 4, Funny

      Been done. Check out Breathers: A Zombie's Lament in which the main character is, "a newly risen zombie, he's forced to live in his parents' basement, attend Undead Anonymous meetings just to get out of the house, and endure abuse of all kinds from the living." A fun read.

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  14. Fun read. by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I especially like the point about the sheer number of armed individuals. Makes me think the only semi-viable zombie outbreak scenario is something like Highschool of The Dead, where an outbreak occurs in urban Japan.

    But even in Japan, I don't imagine an outbreak would last very long.

    I doubt the zombies have much to worry about from the Japanese police though, they've already had an aversion to using their guns ingrained in them through training. Add to that the stress and sheer 'omgwtfbbq'-ness of the situation, and I think it'd be more likely to see many of them either completely freaking out, or making an ultimately futile effort to use batons and riot shields against the zombies. And even the ones that actually use their firearms against the zombies will quickly go through all the ammunition they have access to and be screwed.

    I imagine the JGSDF would fare a lot better, even with the psychological factors. The question is, how badly outnumbered would they be by the time someone thinks to officially mobilize them?

    But hey, if all else fails, the US military presence in Japan could probably take care of it themselves. I wonder what kind of legal and bureaucratic messes would be involved in mobilizing the US military for actual combat operations on Japanese soil, even in an emergency...

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  15. Zombies don't need to be dead by The+Hatchet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Large groups of pathetic unthinking masses trying to kill all non-them. At the accelerations of stupidity coming into conservative America via. Fox news using false analogies, I would say arm yourself hard right now, because in about 1-2 years, they will have degraded into manic destructive psychotic mobs. Hell, they are already bringing guns to protests and protesting several parts of the constitution. I have been attacked for being an atheist, despite all the good things I have done for my society, by people who find nothing wrong with cheating, stealing, lying, or hating. Give it a couple months. Although living zombies only take dismemberment before dying. undead zombies on the otherhand would most certainly be devoured by vultures (just look at the vultures following armies in the civil war, due to the high amount of death and long time fighting).

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  16. Re:zombies exist and they won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You need to watch out. If you aren;t careful you are going to start using the word 'sheeple', and there's no hope for you at that point.

  17. Zombie rappers? by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Funny

    Grills glinting in the sunlight as they shuffle towards you.

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  18. You want scientific? by juletre · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You want scientific? Ok, here you go: http://www.mathstat.uottawa.ca/~rsmith/Zombies.pdf It is a mathematical model of how the zombies will spread.

    It is not as optimistic as cracked.com I am afraid.

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  19. "Ancient" as in... 19'th century? by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, while humanity had a ton of imagination when it comes to fearing death, nothing even came close to the modern idea of vampire.

    What Europe believed in is better described as "revenants", or what we nowadays think of as "zombies." They weren't supposed to be some clever and scheming count, but mindless bloated corpses of some peasants.

    Oh, and generally they'd transmit disease generally by just being there not by bit. Remember it was an era where even an educated medicus knew that diseases are transmitted by smells (no, really, the miasma theory of disease) and everyone else knew that corpses cause disease. A corpse walking around was a health hazard by itself.

    And just to drive the "zombie" aspect home, most of these were supposed to be literally brain dead. E.g., the ones from an outbreak in Venice could be prevented from biting anything ever again by just shoving a brick in the corpse's mouth. Your average Dracula or White Wolf kinda vampire would be sentient enough to basically go "oh, i have a brick in my mouth" and spit it out. Heck, even the dumbest animal would. But the version those people believed in would be forever thwarted by that brick because they weren't even able to figure that out.

    Other forms of thwarting an undead included the equivalent of the frat prank of tying someone's shoelaces together, except it was more like tying the ends a piece of string to the big toe on each foot. Yep, that would thwart them.

    Even when myths gave them a couple of neurons still working, then they'd be riddled with a crippling OCD, so they'd irresistably stop and count the grains in a pile of rice or whatever.

    Basically they're not quite the smart and scheming baron kind, nor the kind who'd blend in and maintain a Masquerade. They were mindless rotting corpses.

    The modern idea of a Vampire was pretty much used invented by Polidori in "The Vampyre", sort of reused in "Carmilla" (where it got some sexual part added too), but only really became mass known via "Dracula". It's really not about any single "ancient" myth, but a mix of several of those. Including a lot of the witchcraft beliefs, incubus beliefs, and various assorted other bits and ends. And yes, some stuff taken from fairies too.

    Basically what Polidori, Le Fanu and Stoker did there was already inventing a new kind of vampire and romanticizing it to appeal to their target audience. That was it, really. And each of them felt free to add a few personal touches and mix some even more unrelated mythical monsters to the definition of a Vampire, to make it even more mass-appeal. Which is basically why you've heard of Dracula over and over again, but most people never even heard of Carmilla or The Vampyre.

    Complaining that someone else did the same thing is a bit silly. Yes, Twilight included some stuff from an unrelated mythical beastie. What, unlike Stoker, Anne Rice, White Wolf and everyone else... who added bits from unrelated mythical beasties too?

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    1. Re:"Ancient" as in... 19'th century? by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even when myths gave them a couple of neurons still working, then they'd be riddled with a crippling OCD, so they'd irresistably stop and count the grains in a pile of rice or whatever.

      So Sesame Street's depiction of "The Count" is spot on then.

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