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Belgian ISP Claims One Customer Downloads 2.7TB

Posted by timothy on from the and-he-was-just-a-tiny-guy dept.

An anonymous reader writes with this envy-spawning excerpt: "While for most people the data limit is never reached, with media-rich websites becoming every more prevalent, and more media services going online (we're looking at you streaming video services), it won't be long before the average user is surpassing even the highest caps commonly imposed today. But how much data is it possible to download every month? And do the so-called data-hogs really burn through that much more data than everyone else? According to Belgian ISP Telenet, the answers are 'a lot' and 'yes, they can.'"

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  1. Human nature by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's free, so consume it till it's all gone.

     

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    1. Re:Human nature by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Informative

      Any linux ISO can be considered a pornographic file when paired with the appropriate one time pad

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    2. Re:Human nature by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      BT Broadband claimed I used 170GB per month on average over a 12 month period using my 2.5Mb connection.

      Meanwhile, 2.7TB is nothing if you have a leased line. Just had a two week film shoot, used 6TiB. We have had to transfer all the daily rushes via the Internet.

    3. Re:Human nature by ewanm89 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, the one time pad would have as much or as little pornographic information as the linux iso, only when used together through an XOR stream cipher would they become the pornographic file.

    4. Re:Human nature by ultranova · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Human nature? That's the nature of life. All life forms from bacteria to dogs to people fail to rationally ration themselves. If there's food on the ground, and you don't eat it or take it, something else probably will and you won't get any benefit from it.

      Actually, most animals change their rate of reproduction based on available food resources.

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    5. Re:Human nature by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

      P.S.

      According to Telenet's website, the "Turbonet" service supplies 30Mbps download speeds. So that's pretty close to what I estimated. About 7 hours a day of downloading.

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    6. Re:Human nature by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Consume is not the right word here... bandwidth is not "consumed" really. Infrastructure is utilized.

      The difference is when you 'consume' something it's gone, when you utilize something it is just tied up until you are done with it.

      For example: You consume a piece of meat. Because once you eat it, that piece of meet is gone.

      However, when you check a book out at the library you don't consume the book, you just have a hold of it temporarily, you utilize one book, and are supposed to return it in a few days.

      Similarly, when you download a file, you utilize network capacity, and once your file download is completed, the network capacity in fact is automatically returned, without you having to go drive somewhere and return your 100Mb of bit time on the wire.

      By definition if you are no longer using those bit times, they have been returned.

    7. Re:Human nature by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Little history lesson about my own country(one north from Belgium):

      Back when most of the cable infrastructure was put down, it was owned and operated by government(local ones).

      Later on when "privatize! privatize!" was all the rage, this infrastructure was *sold* to the current cable companies, in quite a few cases in exchange for part or full ownership of the company, meaning that although it was ran as a business all the profits would still flow back to local government.

      Right now we're seriously looking at breaking up the cable market to get more competition in but alas...once something is in the private sector that is a heck of lot harder to do. So either we(we being "the people") buy the stuff back or we find an alternative.

      And...for the record, I can pick from, oh, 15 different ISP's or so. Currently running a 50/5 connection with no bandwidth cap except for a reasonable use policy which is actually reasonable. Unless I start downloading in the TB range for several months in a row...noone's gonna notice.

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    8. Re:Human nature by jsebrech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Governments can't hold on to infrastructure that can be exploited commercially. Whether it's buildings or cable networks, eventually it gets sold off to balance that year's budget. The belgian government went on a decade-long selling spree to balance a structurally unbalanced budget, and the consequence is that now there are gigantic budget issues and the government needs to make the deepest cuts in the history of the country.

      In other words, just another typical government.

  2. Who cares? by McTickles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is the ISPs problem if they can't deliver the bandwidth they promise their customers. Their business is data transferings so if they should rejoices peoples use their pipes to transfer datas.

    1. Re:Who cares? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Overselling is a necessity if we want sensible prices - I won't reiterate the whole argument here, but Dreamhost explained it pretty well.

      What should be banned is the rampant false advertising that we see now. If my household is using the 50Mbps connection to download around 200GB/month then we want an oversold connection - no point in paying for the tens of terabytes more that we're not using. The ISPs, however, should be required to state clearly what the limitations of the connections are - if they're selling 'unlimited' then I sure as hell want unlimited, however impractical that may be on the prices they're charging.

      Beyond that, sensible limits (two standard deviations from the mean, perhaps?), reasonable per GB charges or voluntary throttling or cutoff over the monthly limit, and a rolling three month average to calculate whether or not you've gone past your allocation would all be beneficial for both the customers and for the ISPs reputation.

      Ah well. We can dream. Or try to get investment to set up our own ISP, with blackjack and hookers.

    2. Re:Who cares? by Dan541 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's ok to oversell services but customers who want to use 100% must be able to do so. Otherwise the ISP is failing to provide.

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    3. Re:Who cares? by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Funny

      In theory, they'd be working on infrastructure to supplement the need, but in reality, well, buying hookers and yachts for lobbyists and politicians aren't cheap, you know.

      I don't know how much a hooker currently goes for, but surely it's cheaper than a server-grade router.
      So if they were smart they'd just buy each of those 25 top users a hooker. That'll keep those nerds occupied bragging about how they "made love" to a "woman" on forums, which uses a lot less bandwidth.
      It's much cheaper than upgrading hardware.

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    4. Re:Who cares? by foniksonik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Set it up like the cell carriers with rollover GB. You get 500 GB/mo and roll over. It's a limit for heavy users and practically unlimited for everyone else.

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    5. Re:Who cares? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the problem that the ISPs face is that they don't want to charge grandma for the amount she is using. If you look at the way electricity is charged, strictly by usage, then the internet providers would stand to lose a lot of money if they could only charge people for what they used. While there are a lot of techies like us who download 100 GB per month, there are 100 grandmas and other similar people who only use 10 MB a month, because all they do is check their email, and the weather. I think that if things ever switched to truly usage based, that the people downloading a lot would curb their usage, so they could afford their bill, and a large chunk of people would be left paying something like $2 a month, because truly, that's all the data they use. I think the internet providers are trying to keep it the way it is, so that they can continue to charge all the low volume users $30 a month, even though they don't use anywhere close to that volume.

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  3. Windows Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Poor guy just left Windows Update set to automatic.

    1. Re:Windows Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually I think he was trying to get a video driver that would work with Linux.

  4. WANTED! by neonux · · Score: 2, Funny

    We will pay up to $50,000 for any information leading to the identify and ultimately capture of the individuals present in the Ten Most Wanted list published by Belgian ISP Telenet.

    Warmest regards,

    Signed RIAA, MPAA and BSA.

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    1. Re:WANTED! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2, Funny

      Luckily for you, screen names are given for four of them in the image in TFA. Where do I collect my $200,000?

  5. Hardly a big deal by neoprint · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've done just under 2tb in a month before, I've heard of other people on the same internet plan as me (Big Time on New Zealand's Telecom, unlmited ADSL2+) before they took it away because of people like me. Most I heard of was just shy of 3TB, this was on a horribly shaped connection too. Why is this news?

  6. Re:Its possible by dk90406 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You'll only need 8 Mb/sec to get that 2.7 TB over a 30 day period. If I fully utilized my (Danish connection) I could get more than double of that. Koreans and Japanese would get 20 times. I suspect both UL and DL are included.

  7. Download caps? by loufoque · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What are these? Is that a relic from the past?

  8. Well... by Raxxon · · Score: 3, Informative

    In theory:

    28 Day "Month" (4 weeks), 24h/day, 60 min/h, 60 sec/min, 2.5Mb/sec..

    I see a possible 6Tb in total transfer (and that's assuming you're not also transmitting!), and that wouldn't be saturating my internet link. However I do find it quite difficult to (1) Maintain 2.5Mb/sec constant (speaking of Torrents/other P2P in general) and (2) Having things to constantly download at that rate.

  9. Re:Its possible by ickleberry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    maybe he was running a TOR node then?

  10. What is the actual cost to the ISP? by thue · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Based on what we are paying for Internet traffic, 2TB of traffic would very roughly cost about $50.

    So since this is their one biggest user, and even he is probably paying more than $50 for his internet connection, I don't see the problem with bandwidth hogs.

    1. Re:What is the actual cost to the ISP? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So since this is their one biggest user, and even he is probably paying more than $50 for his internet connection, I don't see the problem with bandwidth hogs.

      That's actually the reason the ISP posted the information - they want to convince their customers (and potential customers) on cheaper slower plans that not only is the ISP capable of handling massive bandwidth consumption, but that they encourage other people to upgrade/switch to the same unlimited plans and really take advantage of the available capacity.

      Its totally the reverse of what we are used to in the USA with places like comcast bitching and moaning about hogs - apparently this ISP understands that bandwidth hogs are a business opportunity to be cultivated not capped.

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    2. Re:What is the actual cost to the ISP? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Informative

      First of all, it's 2680GB, so it's more like 2.6TB. Second of all, where are you getting your data transfer prices? Amazon has some of the lowest prices around (unless you count the "unlimited" bullshit on dreamhost or something), and even with the >150TB discount it's $0.08/GB, bringing the bill to $214. Of course AWS's pricing isn't directly comparable to an ISP's but that's the best I could find. Finally, Telenet's most expensive offering is 99 Euro, so effectively everybody else is subsidizing this guy.

      Interestingly, Telenet says that they are not complaining, but are showing this to encourage users to switch from the capped plans to the more expensive ones. The trick is that the expensive ones have a "fair use" policy, and they can slow your connection down to 512 Kbps until the next billing if you download twice as much as the average user.

    3. Re:What is the actual cost to the ISP? by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup. The real problem is charging for an unmetered service, and then trying to somehow meter it.

      Look, is it "unlimited" or not? If yes, then just live with what you promised. If not, come up with something reasonable.

      The last mile of telecom is a natural monopoly, and price should be PUC regulated just like your water or electricity. Does the electric company publish a list of top-10 electric consumers? Of course not - those are its best customers.

      I'm fine with paying by the GB, provided those rates are reasonable. Then everybody can use whatever they want to.

      Probably the best free-market solution is to have the telco/cable co own the last mile, and charge PUC-regulated rates. They only provide data service to the central office, and they cannot sell "internet" service (email, etc). Then you buy your internet service from an ISP, who runs their own bandwidth to the CO and rents rack space at a regulated price there. That is no longer a natural monopoly, which means every town in America will likely have 3-50 of them to choose from. That means you'll probably get a fair price, and get to pick whether you want usenet, email, plain old routing only, or whatever. Your local telco just transmits raw ethernet frames or something like that, so it also means that IPv6 will be available as soon as some local ISP decides to offer it.

      Also - if the telco provides service over a shared line, they could meter it. However, if the telco's technology uses dedicated lines (like DSL) then they would have to offer it uncapped. Prices would of course be tied to actual costs, and investment decisions/etc would be PUC-regulated.

      This isn't rocket science - we've operated utilities for years...

    4. Re:What is the actual cost to the ISP? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Does the electric company publish a list of top-10 electric consumers? Of course not - those are its best customers.

      Those customers also pay per kW-h used, so this is a completely opposite situation.

    5. Re:What is the actual cost to the ISP? by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's actually the reason the ISP posted the information - they want to convince their customers (and potential customers) on cheaper slower plans that not only is the ISP capable of handling massive bandwidth consumption, but that they encourage other people to upgrade/switch to the same unlimited plans and really take advantage of the available capacity.

      Its totally the reverse of what we are used to in the USA with places like comcast bitching and moaning about hogs - apparently this ISP understands that bandwidth hogs are a business opportunity to be cultivated not capped.

      Although according to their website if you go over the double the average usage for people with a FUP subscription your connection is slowed. These guys are getting a free ride now because Telenet need the publicity. A couple of ISP's have switched from capped downloads to a FUP recently and I guess they are feeling the competition. Let's see how they treat these guys in a couple of months.

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    6. Re:What is the actual cost to the ISP? by toddestan · · Score: 2, Informative

      As in 2680/1024 = 2617?

  11. All you can eat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, the ISP, in essence, advertises and sells an all-you-can-eat buffet, then complains when people pay for it and proceed to eat all they can? Cry me a river.

  12. Does this come as a surprise? by thegarbz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article itself mentions it. Youtube is 1080p, netflix is getting into online streaming. Everything is getting bigger. Alien Swarm (a free and short game on Steam) 2GB, Left4Dead 2 is 7.5GB, god forbid someone pirates some 1080p movies then there's another 12GB gone.

    Download limits get you no where these days and ISPs don't get this. 10GB limit on Telstra here in Australia (one of the first in the world) was fine in 1999. Dropping to 3GB crippled my fancy new broadband connection. We put up with Telstra's 10GB crap for years constantly hitting the limit and they called us a power user. Now here we are in 2010 I have a 150GB download limit, 110GB offpeak, and 40GB onpeak. We hit the 40GB onpeak limit every single month. This does not include any download, high def porn or any other such nonsense since we schedule that to run through the night. Yet even then we still do about 70GB offpeak per month.

    I'm almost scared of what we will be doing in 2020. What a nail-biting election we're having today too. Tonight we find out if the future of Australia is to make the worlds dumbest monopolistic ISP (who still think 10GB is for power users now in 2010) even bigger, or if we're going to get FTTH setup by a political party.

    1. Re:Does this come as a surprise? by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thats only NTT, most don't.

  13. 8,07 days. by Tito1337 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The guy has a Turbonet connection, means he has 30Mbits down and 1,25Mbit up. If he used this at full speed, 2680GB would only take 8,07 days.

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  14. so what? by yyxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's easy to accumulate 2TB in video data, say on iTunes. And it's reasonable to want to transfer that from one machine to another over the Internet (e.g., to back it up to a machine somewhere else or in the cloud).

    If ISPs don't want this to happen, they need clear limits and rules, not underhanded complaints and name calling.

    1. Re:so what? by Turiko · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, this ISP isn't looking for a way to put back draconian limits - the limits were only removed last february IIRC. Before that , i believe it was 80 GB per month. They're using this to show off their service :P

  15. Re:Its possible by kneutral · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm visiting Australia for work and was shocked that the hotels have usage limits on their wireless (in addition to their already mildly annoying practice of adding a surcharge for wifi usage - though the more pricey hotels do this in most countries it seems, whereas the cheaper hotels provide it for free). $20/day for a 500Mb/week limited internet connection. At first I thought that would be fine, I'd cut out skype, streaming video, and stop downloading podcasts and wouldn't have to worry. Sadly I'm 4 days in and already over ($.30/Mb now) -- the internet's just no longer made for such ridiculous restrictions.

  16. Re:Its possible by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a 10Mb/s connection, but it gets throttled if I go over certain thresholds (3000MB in the morning, 1500MB in the evening) at 'peak' times, with 14 hours in the day when there is no throttling. The throttling lasts for 6 hours, so maximum total throughput is achieved by staying under that limit. That means that the maximum that I can download in a day is (a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=14%20hours%20*%2010Mb%2Fs%20%2B%204500MB">14 hours at 10Mb/s plus 4500MB, or 67.5GB. That gives just under 2TB/month, so I'd be unable to download 2.7TB with my connection.

    Mind you, I have one of the cheapest connections that my ISP provides. If I bought their 20Mb/s package, I could download just over 4TB/month. With their 50Mb/s package, it would be over 16TB. This is in the UK.

    Even so, 2.7TB seems excessive. In a typical month, I download well under 100GB. The only time I've ever hit my ISP's throttling caps was when I was uploading the source material for a DVD to my publisher. Even with an Internet radio stream left running most of the time and fairly regular downloads from iPlayer, I don't come close to 1TB.

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  17. Re:Its possible by yyxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, because the limit there would be upload rates, which are much less.

  18. Consumption by Mr_Silver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And do the so-called data-hogs really burn through that much more data than everyone else? According to Belgian ISP Telenet, the answers are 'a lot' and 'yes, they can

    I'd be interested to know how people can consume that much data! Assuming 1080p rips at 11GB a pop lasting 3 hours, you're looking at 251 movies or 754 hours worth of entertainment.

    Assuming you don't work and you don't sleep then there are only 744 hours in the longest month! Assuming you're unemployed and you do sleep, then this puts this down to a "mere" 496 hours and you'd have to be watching them from the moment you wake up to the moment you fall asleep.

    Even in a house of 4 people, that's still each person downloading 54 HD movies a month - how on earth can you watch that much in a month? Or find that many movies worth watching for that matter?

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  19. Digital Download games by Hadlock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This summer there were an astounding number of digital download sales. Each title was originally designed to be packaged and distributed via 8GB DVD. When you're offering 8GB of data that is to be absorbed over a period of days or weeks, people tend to jump up and buy/download it when it only costs $2.50 or so. Couple that with EA's store recently having several $1.99 pricing snafus, and the careful shopper can buy 35GB worth of data for under $10, and feel right in downloading it that very day (who doesn't want to play with their new toys?). That doesn't include any of the 20 three minute 720p videos I watched on youtube this afternoon.
     
    A Terabyte is what, 1000GB? I signed on to steam yesterday on my linux machine (via wine) to message someone about something, walked away and came back to find out that it'd finished downloading all 11GB of Call of Duty 4 and 3GB of Street Fighter 4, in addition to countless updates to other steam games I had installed to test but never play on that machine. Let me put it this way; I accidentally downloaded 15GB of data this afternoon. Didn't phase me a bit. Didn't cost me anything, only downside on my end was maybe a couple extra cents on the electricity bill for running the laptop a couple of hours. Valve pushed out a 64mb patch tonight to fix the fact that all their game characters were wearing birthday hats on the wrong day. My roommate probably downloaded 60gb worth of "HD" netflix movies this afternoon. Data is cheap, practically free after the cost of infrastructure, and the baseline of data being pushed around is growing by the day, because, hey, it's better to have it locally just in case, rather than wait 60 seconds to download it.
     
    No doubt as market saturation begins to plateau, we'll all see large caps (15gb, 20gb) installed, with a couple of neighbors splitting the cost of a pair of bonded T1s to skirt around it.

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    1. Re:Digital Download games by grumbel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, 1024GB. It's only drive makers and a committee that try to redefine that.

      The 1024 scale is completly stupid. The only area where it makes a little bit of sense is RAM, everything else, HD storage, bandwidth, etc. it is completly meaningless and useless, as size doesn't increase by power of two in those areas.

      Here is a thing: Just because you have grown up with something doesn't make it right or a good solution. All the 1024 scale does is cause lots of unneeded confusion, because it makes calculating between TB, GB, MB, KB extremely hard, instead of completly trivial as it would be with the SI scale.

  20. Amount downloaded isn't very interesting by rawler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I could easily saturate my 100mbit line, from Giganews or other usenet source, setting up my own news mirror, mirror a few big download sites, or find some other way to waste bandwidth.

    My theoretical monthly download capacity would be something like 10MB*3600*24*28 = 24TB, and if that's not enough, there are gigabit upgrades available. However, that's not very interesting, since just the storage cost for 24 TB is much much more than I care to pay.

    And, especially, what could I possibly consume that requires those data amounts? Scene-released 720p averages at 7mbit, assuming 1080p averages at 10, and I have to watch 10 simultaneous Full-HD streams around the clock to consume that bandwidth. Who's got the time?

  21. Re:math? by chichilalescu · · Score: 3, Funny

    are you seriously going to start the 2.6 = 2.7 debate when they're still fighting about Kb, KB and KiB?
    the numbers are more like guidelines...

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  22. Here's a real funny observation... by Eggplant62 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's funny that ISPs can whine and cry over the biggest users of bandwidth but can't be arsed to shut down let alone locate and notify their customers about their malware-infected PCs that are blasting spam all over the net. Start working on that and we might not have to worry about bandwidth caps.

  23. Hogs? by Dan541 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How are such people data-hogs? They are using what they have paid for.

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    1. Re:Hogs? by sycodon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep, If you sell something called an "Unlimited" account, then don't bitch when people use it in an Unlimited manner.

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    2. Re:Hogs? by wagnerrp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No. All of the connections that company offers are 'always on'. They offer some cheaper subscriptions with bandwidth caps, and other more expensive ones with no stated cap, hence 'unlimited'.

    3. Re:Hogs? by wagnerrp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For what its worth, the ISP was not bitching about those users. They were using it as an advertisement to people on their cheaper, capped subscriptions, "Look just how much you can download if you upgrade to our more expensive, uncapped subscriptions!"

    4. Re:Hogs? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

      >>>How are such people data-hogs? They are using what they have paid for.

      Not really. Imagine if electricity worked like internet data. i.e. You pay $400 a month and get unlimited usage. Most of us would use around 1000 KWh per month, but then you'd have a few people that would run their AC at 50 degrees, while the whole house was lighted even in rooms that are not being used, and have an electric-powered pool in the back with an elaborate fountain running all day and night. i.e. Splurging.

      They are not paying for the electricity they used. They are taking MORE (~$2000 worth) than what they paid for ($400), and that net loss must be covered by the rest of us (prices go up). Plus the environmental damage caused by the splurgers.

      This is why pricing is (or should be) metered. It's a negative feedback loop that encourages people to limit themselves, or else pay a very high bill. It also benefits those that use very little, like grandmas, because their bills might only be $50 metered rather than $400 flat. Pricing tied to consumption is the "invisible hand" that regulates use.

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    5. Re:Hogs? by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nice try. Last I checked "Unlimited" and "Always On" were two different features, and always listed as different features.

      "10 Megabits / 512k Download Unlimited"

      Means you can download and achieve 10 megabits, and unlimited means you are allowed to download at 10 Megabits down and 512kbps up, continuously, 24/7. 720 hours a month, and that is what is included in the quoted price.

    6. Re:Hogs? by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Except if they paid $400/month for unlimited use at a specific rate, and then used it all, then they used $400 worth of [bandwidth/electricity]. If they did not want people to use their [bandwidth/electricity], they should not have advertised and sold their service as unlimited.

      Incidentally, as stated in the article:

      Telenet has not posted this information as a complaint of what they have to deal with, but to give us "a better picture of what exactly is possible with this new way of surfing."

      the ISP is not complaining at all.

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    7. Re:Hogs? by vux984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Electricity has to be generated, by consuming raw materials that produce an equivalent amount of electricity. Electricity is a finite scarce, consumable resource, generating it is expensive.

      Where I live electricity is generated by water falling out of the sky, collecting in a river, and eventually turning a turbine. Where other people live its generated by wind / solar. Where other people live its geothermal. Where other people live its by incinerating garbage.

      And then yes, where some people live its gas, coal, nuclear. But in the former cases in particular, and even in the final case to a large degree the cost of electricity is primarily the cost of maintaining the infrastructure. The small army of people fixing power lines, replacing transformers, laying cable, replacing it, troubleshooting it, monitoring the system, customer service, billing, advertising, ... the cost of the actual 'fuel' ranges from zero to a small percentage of total operations. Running a nuclear plant costs far more in maintenance than in actual fuel.

      The analagy is more apt than you think.

      For example, if 10 million people want to watch a live video feed that starts at exactly 6:00 PM EST.

      That causes a hell of a lot more network congestion, than if 20 million people want to download a Linux ISO over BitTorrent over a 5 day period.

      Ironically this situation is also reflected in the electricity situation. The electrical system has a maximum load it can deliver as well. There is a huge spike in the morning as millions of people wake up and turn on the lights, the coffee maker, the electric razer, take a shower (triggering the hot water heater to step up), etc.

      In less developed countries (and California during energy crises) they don't have the capacity to actually satisfy peak levels of demand, and we get rolling brown outs when too many people hit it at once.

      In most cities, the city can actually deliver all the electricity anyone demands when they demand it. But this isn't a characteristic of electricity. This is the result of slower growth in demand, and metered pricing which has led to the development of such things as "energy star", and 'green' drives to consume less.

    8. Re:Hogs? by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What? Where have I bitched about such a thing? You explicitly stated that there would be a problem with someone making unlimited use of an unlimited service here:

      They are not paying for the electricity they used

      and I was pointing out that such a company should not have advertised unlimited usage if it did not intend to deliver such.

      Although I don't recall making any Slashdot posts on the subject, the complaint about Comcast was that they previously did NOT disclose their caps. While bandwidth caps may be annoying, there's nothing unethical about them unless the company misrepresented what was being sold.

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  24. And if you read the ORIGINAL story, they don't car by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The ISP doesn't CARE. This is old news and the data has been used by the ISP to show data limits are useless AND they dropped them therefor.

    So the ISP isn't complaining, it is advertising. Both making its competitors seem like cheapo's AND showing that you can download what you want with them as well as showing that overall, the average consumer doesn't even come close. Because the difference between 1 and 2 is already huge but number 10 barely counts.

    Why else do you think some of the users agreed to have their username printed on the list?

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