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Anti-Depressants Used Against StarCraft Addiction

dotarray writes "Hope may be at hand for the poor souls addicted to video games. Recent research from South Korea has shown that a common anti-depressant, Bupropion (sold as Welbutrin, Zyban and Voxra) can 'decrease craving for Internet game play' as well as the brain activity triggered by video game cues. This is a drug often used to help quit smoking, to lose weight or to recover from drug addiction, in addition to typical anti-depressant and anti-anxiety uses. And, with Korean scientists already on-board, how better to test this theory than to gather up a bunch of StarCraft players?"

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  1. How long afterwards does it last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do the addicts stay off or do they simply get addicted to a new substance (anti-depressants)?

    1. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by sayfawa · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cocaine is a pretty good anti-depressant.

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    2. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by spopepro · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cocaine is an excellent anti-depressant. Prozac and similar are Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors... Cocaine is a Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitor. Not selective, and damn powerful.

    3. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's a world of difference between addicted and dependent. If you're using it for short-term off-label usage to kick an addiction (like smoking), you're unlikely to become dependent.

      However, if you've got a wildly varying or raging depression going on, you're quite likely to become dependent, including physical dependency. (See SSRI discontinuation syndrome)

    4. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bupropion is not a SSRI - so there is no discontinuation syndrome. Also - it has little chance of being abused. Taking too much lowers the seizure threshold - it's not like people can get high off it. Plus - it has no sexual side effects like the SSRIs do.

    5. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by Ihmhi · · Score: 3, Funny

      10 I'm sad.

      20 Take antidepressants.

      30 Feel better.

      40 Stop taking antidepressants.

      50 Realize I'm addicted to antidepressants.

      60 GOTO 10.

    6. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by pedantic+bore · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think you can get addicted to anti-depressants.

      Oh my, no.

      I have a pal who forgot to take his Zoloft with him on vacation. The three days it took to refill his prescription were, according to him, horrible. He didn't suddenly get depressed--he got vertigo and his skin felt itchy and prickly. No fun at all.

      When he finally came off the Zoloft, he had to be weaned off it, a little at a time. It look months IIRC.

      If that's not physical addiction, I don't know what is.

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    7. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Addiction != Dependency

      If you have a burning, nagging need for it, that's addiction.

      If you simply get ill when you don't take it, that's dependency. They aren't necessarily intrinsic to each other, but that tends to be the case with most examples people are familiar with.

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    8. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by mr100percent · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Zoloft shock" is not the same as an addiction. If you decrease your dose over time, you wean yourself off of it. A precipitous drop in Zoloft messes with your brain chemistry, it's not the same as a withdrawal craving.

    9. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by MisterSquid · · Score: 3, Funny
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    10. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People who suffer from an already made up problem like depression could probably trick themselves into believing they have any sort of issue.

      Jesus H. Christ, who let the Scientologists in here.

      Ordinary depression is something that all of us face at one time or another, and most of us come out of it. In spite of your claim, depression exists, and if you're suffering from clinical depression, i.e. a lack of specific neurotransmitters in your brain, those drugs can save your life.

      Really, they can. Personally, I'd like to know how many people with clinical depression have committed suicide because some idiot fawning over Tom Cruise and the rest of those sociopathic fruitcakes convinced them to eat more vegetables and not get the help they needed. Sorry, buddy, but there are some things that you cannot cure on your own, some things that can't be handled by just "sucking it up" or "growing a pair" or any amount of psychotherapy. The brain is an organ, by far our most complex one, and like all others it can malfunction in ways that may require chemical intervention. If you meant to say, "depression (clinical or otherwise) is often improperly treated by the medical profession" I might agree with you. On the other hand, stating that depression doesn't exist is just wrong, and does anyone suffering from such a debilitating condition a disservice. To extend your logic, we might as well not bother treating diabetics with insulin because well, you know, those changes in blood glucose levels are just imaginary. Why is it so hard to accept that the brain may also have issues with too little or too much of certain critical compounds?

      I've had to deal with the long-term effects of clinical depression in my family, and it's a terrible thing. Before the advent of antidepressants, about the only thing a physician could do was prescribe sleeping medication. That would sometimes help, because depressives are often sleep-deprived, but it's hardly a cure. Oh, lithium has been around for some time as a treatment, but the side-effects are unpleasant.

      Now, I will agree, antidepressants that are prescribed carelessly are ineffective at best, dangerous at worst ... but that does not mean they should never be used. Also, you seem to be comparing antidepressants to recreational drugs. Nothing could be further from the truth: a person with clinical depression who is on a properly-titrated antidepressant regime doesn't get high, doesn't get addicted to anything but feeling normal, being themselves again. That's what those drugs can do: they can give you your life back. It is not always a simple process, and a given individual may have to try multiple drugs over time to find one that works for him. I've not personally suffered from clinical depression, but like I said, I've had to deal with the consequences, and it really, really pisses me off when people who don't know what they're talking about claim "it's all in their heads."

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    11. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative

      Someone is addicted to old school BASIC. ;)

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  2. Zoloft by evwah · · Score: 5, Funny

    Zoloft rush kekeke ^_^

  3. Re:It goes both ways. by Renraku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speaking as someone who has battled with depression (without medication) for years, I can say that people who are depressed don't play video games to treat their depression. They play as a distraction. Instead of sitting there from 6pm until 10pm doing nothing, all you have to do is double click the icon on your desktop and you're in. Rather than having to find the motivation to see if anyone wants to go out. Rather than trying to find the motivation to go have a beer or go for a walk in the park. Rather than trying to find the motivation to hit the books and study for that exam.

    One of the major points of depression is lack of energy/motivation. When I'm depressed, I have to force myself to follow my exercise routine. I have to force myself to go out. I have to force myself to do something OTHER than refreshing Reddit and Slashdot while WoWing it up. I enjoy those things, even while depressed, but the motivation to do them just isn't there.

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  4. Anti-depressants and eating habits by bipbop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been on Zoloft twice. The first time, I gained quite a bit of weight. Serotonin plays a major role in appetite regulation. In my experience, that means the feelings of hunger and satiety change, and if you don't adapt to these changes, you might just end up eating a lot more! My eating habits were poor, and I indulged these habits a lot more without the normal feelings to guide me. I never adapted, and I blamed Zoloft for the weight gain.

    Back on Zoloft, I've lost weight. About a year before starting Zoloft, I changed my diet completely and started exercising, and immediately began losing weight. While on Zoloft, that has continued (or perhaps accelerated a bit). Once again, my sense of hunger is a bit off, but with good eating habits in place, the only real difference is forgetting to eat sometimes.

    Of course, I can't generalize from my experience to everyone. But I'd still suggest working on your eating habits before going on an anti-depressant, simply because it is helpful outside that context, as well :-)

  5. Re:It goes both ways. by Zelgadiss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Been living with depression for quite a while now.

    I didn't really have much motivation to do anything, video games seem to be the exception.

    I think it's because they are psychologically addictive to some extend, they have a very well tuned effort / reward cycle.

    Games like WoW gives you relatively achievable goals to get and rewards you with a sense of achievement when you complete them.
    A nice escape from the feelings of powerless and hopelessness of real life.

  6. Yes. It is much better that they watched TV by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    american idol, jeopardy, or similar other programs. doing that every night is so much more 'normal' and 'good'. its a good pastime habit ...

  7. Re:Anti-Depressants to lose weight by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    True enough. But I don't think it's just that.

    When you're depressed, it's really hard to refrain from indulging in behaviors that you know aren't particularly healthy or in your long term interests. Your mind demands the small bit of relief that comes from eating unhealthy food, smoking a cigarette, hitting Battle.net and pwning some poor n00b. In all cases, you may realize that the behavior is going to cause problems down the road, but because you're depressed, it's hard to care.

    So it makes sense to me that antidepressants might be effective in breaking such a variety of bad habits.

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  8. Why... by hitmark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    do i get the impression that the underlying cause for all are a depression, and that the "addiction" is basically the persons way of getting away from the depression. Kid gets depressed for some reason or other, then find relief in playing a game. Thing is, the parents never noticed the depression. But they do notice the number of hours spent playing said game. End result, they thing the kid is addicted to a game rather then something else.

    Thing is, its easier to drug the kid into being a averagely behaving consumer then it is to actually look at why said kid was depressed. This because it is likely that societal changes will be needed to actually fix the source of the depression.

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  9. Re:It goes both ways. by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Motivation to go have a beer? When you're depressed? Yeah, that's just what you need, to sit in a smoke-filled room and ingest depressants with the other losers who think that spending too much on a mug full of fuel additive is good treatment for their depression.

    What a bunch of moralistic bullshit. Socialization is a major factor in happiness. For a depressed person, going out to have a drink with friends can do a lot for their mental health. Getting a little disinhibited from the alcohol helps too. Obviously you can over do it. But that doesn't mean that going out for a drink with friends isn't an entirely healthy activity for someone to engage in.

    The point is to do something real. Video-game achievements just aren't a high-enough density feeling of accomplishment to really satisfy you for the rest of the day.

    Maybe to you they're not. Personally, I don't see much difference between putting a ball in a hole or putting a sprite through another sprite. As for the feeling of accomplishment, you're playing the wrong games. Get away from the grind fests and play something challenging. Completing a difficult game, like ascending in nethack, or completing a hardcore shmup is a feeling of accomplishment that stays with you for a lot longer than a day.

    Physical activity *is* very good for depression, because of the physiological effects of exercise. Video gaming can't replace an active lifestyle, I just object to your characterization of gaming as not "real". It's as real as any other hobby.

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