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Anti-Depressants Used Against StarCraft Addiction

dotarray writes "Hope may be at hand for the poor souls addicted to video games. Recent research from South Korea has shown that a common anti-depressant, Bupropion (sold as Welbutrin, Zyban and Voxra) can 'decrease craving for Internet game play' as well as the brain activity triggered by video game cues. This is a drug often used to help quit smoking, to lose weight or to recover from drug addiction, in addition to typical anti-depressant and anti-anxiety uses. And, with Korean scientists already on-board, how better to test this theory than to gather up a bunch of StarCraft players?"

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  1. How long afterwards does it last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do the addicts stay off or do they simply get addicted to a new substance (anti-depressants)?

    1. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by arnoldo.j.nunez · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do the addicts stay off or do they simply get addicted to a new substance (anti-depressants)?

      I don't think you can get addicted to anti-depressants.

    2. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ya, not really.

      also ADs normally get used in a controlled enviroment in together with a therapy, the aim is to help in therapy and to kick those ADs at some time off, when you are finished with therapy

    3. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by sayfawa · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cocaine is a pretty good anti-depressant.

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    4. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by spopepro · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cocaine is an excellent anti-depressant. Prozac and similar are Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors... Cocaine is a Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitor. Not selective, and damn powerful.

    5. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's a world of difference between addicted and dependent. If you're using it for short-term off-label usage to kick an addiction (like smoking), you're unlikely to become dependent.

      However, if you've got a wildly varying or raging depression going on, you're quite likely to become dependent, including physical dependency. (See SSRI discontinuation syndrome)

    6. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bupropion is not a SSRI - so there is no discontinuation syndrome. Also - it has little chance of being abused. Taking too much lowers the seizure threshold - it's not like people can get high off it. Plus - it has no sexual side effects like the SSRIs do.

    7. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by alannon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just a note, Welbutrin isn't an SSRI, it's a completely different class of drug. Apparently it -does- behave in a similar manner to cocaine, though, but without any euphoria.

    8. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by Ihmhi · · Score: 3, Funny

      10 I'm sad.

      20 Take antidepressants.

      30 Feel better.

      40 Stop taking antidepressants.

      50 Realize I'm addicted to antidepressants.

      60 GOTO 10.

    9. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by pedantic+bore · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think you can get addicted to anti-depressants.

      Oh my, no.

      I have a pal who forgot to take his Zoloft with him on vacation. The three days it took to refill his prescription were, according to him, horrible. He didn't suddenly get depressed--he got vertigo and his skin felt itchy and prickly. No fun at all.

      When he finally came off the Zoloft, he had to be weaned off it, a little at a time. It look months IIRC.

      If that's not physical addiction, I don't know what is.

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    10. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Addiction != Dependency

      If you have a burning, nagging need for it, that's addiction.

      If you simply get ill when you don't take it, that's dependency. They aren't necessarily intrinsic to each other, but that tends to be the case with most examples people are familiar with.

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    11. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by mr100percent · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Zoloft shock" is not the same as an addiction. If you decrease your dose over time, you wean yourself off of it. A precipitous drop in Zoloft messes with your brain chemistry, it's not the same as a withdrawal craving.

    12. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by MisterSquid · · Score: 3, Funny
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    13. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by Securityemo · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is not physical addiction - because there's no craving present to take more of the medication. Antidepressants don't stimulate the reward pathways in the brain, though this is an easy assumption to make.

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    14. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People who suffer from an already made up problem like depression could probably trick themselves into believing they have any sort of issue.

      Jesus H. Christ, who let the Scientologists in here.

      Ordinary depression is something that all of us face at one time or another, and most of us come out of it. In spite of your claim, depression exists, and if you're suffering from clinical depression, i.e. a lack of specific neurotransmitters in your brain, those drugs can save your life.

      Really, they can. Personally, I'd like to know how many people with clinical depression have committed suicide because some idiot fawning over Tom Cruise and the rest of those sociopathic fruitcakes convinced them to eat more vegetables and not get the help they needed. Sorry, buddy, but there are some things that you cannot cure on your own, some things that can't be handled by just "sucking it up" or "growing a pair" or any amount of psychotherapy. The brain is an organ, by far our most complex one, and like all others it can malfunction in ways that may require chemical intervention. If you meant to say, "depression (clinical or otherwise) is often improperly treated by the medical profession" I might agree with you. On the other hand, stating that depression doesn't exist is just wrong, and does anyone suffering from such a debilitating condition a disservice. To extend your logic, we might as well not bother treating diabetics with insulin because well, you know, those changes in blood glucose levels are just imaginary. Why is it so hard to accept that the brain may also have issues with too little or too much of certain critical compounds?

      I've had to deal with the long-term effects of clinical depression in my family, and it's a terrible thing. Before the advent of antidepressants, about the only thing a physician could do was prescribe sleeping medication. That would sometimes help, because depressives are often sleep-deprived, but it's hardly a cure. Oh, lithium has been around for some time as a treatment, but the side-effects are unpleasant.

      Now, I will agree, antidepressants that are prescribed carelessly are ineffective at best, dangerous at worst ... but that does not mean they should never be used. Also, you seem to be comparing antidepressants to recreational drugs. Nothing could be further from the truth: a person with clinical depression who is on a properly-titrated antidepressant regime doesn't get high, doesn't get addicted to anything but feeling normal, being themselves again. That's what those drugs can do: they can give you your life back. It is not always a simple process, and a given individual may have to try multiple drugs over time to find one that works for him. I've not personally suffered from clinical depression, but like I said, I've had to deal with the consequences, and it really, really pisses me off when people who don't know what they're talking about claim "it's all in their heads."

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    15. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by hedronist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Weirdly enough, in 1975 I suffered from real, honest-to-God clinical depression for over a year, and then went on to become (gasp!) a Scientologist. In some ways they did me more good than the shrinks at the VA hospital did, but then they (the Scientologists) started to get weird ... I mean really weird.

      Years before Hubbard's death in 1986, the "church" was exhibiting increasing signs of paranoia and absolutism — if you weren't 100% in agreement with every tiny thing that Hubbard had ever muttered, then you were a PTS (Potential Trouble Source) or even an SP (Suppressive Person: CoS equivalent of Spawn of Satan). This was very ironic because when I had first read Book One (ie. Dianetics - Modern Science of Mental Health) I was very impressed that there was an appendix that had an article by the inimitable Joseph Campbell that made a compelling argument against Proof By Authority. This was echoed in the "church" at that time by the catch phrase: "if it isn't true for you then it isn't true." Which was an idea that had real appeal for me right up to the point where it morphed into "if it's true for LRH then it's true for you, or else you are an SP." At sometime in the 70's/early 80's they dropped that particular appendix from DMSMH.

      So I finally left the CoS in 1982 and, because even though I tried to leave quietly their "you can never leave us" attitude pissed me off, I even threatened to sue and got a fair percentage of my money back. (Try that nowadays!)

      What's my point?

      1. Depression is real, very real, but (at least in the 70's) the shrinks I had contact with didn't really know what the hell they were doing.
      2. I actually got some good out of the CoS, but what they did for me then you can get from any good Cognitive Therapist today.
      3. But their own organizational insanity ultimately caused me to become "fully causative" and declare my own version of OT ... Out of There.

      On a weird side note: Back in Palo Alto I actually knew Mimi Rogers (whose father, Phil Spickler, was the director of the Palo Alto Mission) when she was still married to Jim Rogers. This was several years before she became the first Mrs. Tom Cruise.

    16. Re:How long afterwards does it last? by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative

      Someone is addicted to old school BASIC. ;)

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  2. Anti-Depressants to lose weight by Jack9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a drug often used ... to lose weight

    Generally, antidepressants don't do this. Wellbutrin (from experience) also, does not do this. Which ones do?

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    1. Re:Anti-Depressants to lose weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Being less depressed can often lead to living a more active lifestyle. Thus, they can be used to lose weight, but do not themselves cause weight loss.

    2. Re:Anti-Depressants to lose weight by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Funny

      the thing is, most ADs make you a fat fucker, (the atypical AD) wellbutrin stops your appetite, i mean if you still eat you dont magically loose weight ofc.

      I think you must be thinking of amphetamines.

      Welbutrin is often perscribed to quit smoking (ZyBan for example was specifically marketed for this purpose). I took it while giving up the Death Sticks, didn't effect my appetite at all. In fact after kicking the tobacco habit and while still on Welbutrin, I gained weight.

      Well, that could have been because I replaced ciggies with malt liquor...

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    3. Re:Anti-Depressants to lose weight by object404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Weight gain is a common side effect for *many* anti-depressants. Increased appetite and hunger is common.

    4. Re:Anti-Depressants to lose weight by Brianech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Im on Citalopram for anxiety (had bad anxiety since I was a kid, but recently my doctor noticed my blood pressure is too erratic because of it). When I first started it I ended up losing 20 pounds due to the nausea. But once the side effects from starting the meds were gone, my weight returned to normal. I eat the same amount since the side effects stopped and personally dont think Citalopram would be responsible. But everyone is different, and I think its more personality that affects how you change with the drug. I drink more than I did before because I was so anxious about drinking. Same could go with people for eating. I dont think its the drug that does it, its how people who have dealt with anxiety/depression deal without it.

    5. Re:Anti-Depressants to lose weight by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True enough. But I don't think it's just that.

      When you're depressed, it's really hard to refrain from indulging in behaviors that you know aren't particularly healthy or in your long term interests. Your mind demands the small bit of relief that comes from eating unhealthy food, smoking a cigarette, hitting Battle.net and pwning some poor n00b. In all cases, you may realize that the behavior is going to cause problems down the road, but because you're depressed, it's hard to care.

      So it makes sense to me that antidepressants might be effective in breaking such a variety of bad habits.

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  3. Blizzard doged a bullet there... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Blizzard saw this coming, it was the only thing getting them off their asses for Starcraft 2!

    It's great they have a "cure" for Starcraft addiction... too bad it took them 10 years to crack it, now Starcraft 2 is out with "super-extra-addiction" added!

  4. It goes both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And what about those of us who use Starcraft (2) [in a slightly-more-healthy manner] as a means to help treat our depression?

    1. Re:It goes both ways. by Renraku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Speaking as someone who has battled with depression (without medication) for years, I can say that people who are depressed don't play video games to treat their depression. They play as a distraction. Instead of sitting there from 6pm until 10pm doing nothing, all you have to do is double click the icon on your desktop and you're in. Rather than having to find the motivation to see if anyone wants to go out. Rather than trying to find the motivation to go have a beer or go for a walk in the park. Rather than trying to find the motivation to hit the books and study for that exam.

      One of the major points of depression is lack of energy/motivation. When I'm depressed, I have to force myself to follow my exercise routine. I have to force myself to go out. I have to force myself to do something OTHER than refreshing Reddit and Slashdot while WoWing it up. I enjoy those things, even while depressed, but the motivation to do them just isn't there.

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    2. Re:It goes both ways. by Zelgadiss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Been living with depression for quite a while now.

      I didn't really have much motivation to do anything, video games seem to be the exception.

      I think it's because they are psychologically addictive to some extend, they have a very well tuned effort / reward cycle.

      Games like WoW gives you relatively achievable goals to get and rewards you with a sense of achievement when you complete them.
      A nice escape from the feelings of powerless and hopelessness of real life.

    3. Re:It goes both ways. by Urkki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I'm depressed, I have to force myself to follow my exercise routine. I have to force myself to go out. I have to force myself to do something OTHER than refreshing Reddit and Slashdot while WoWing it up.

      And if you succeed, you're not really depressed... Real depression is when you can't force yourself to get out of bed even to do the "distractions" instead of what you really really should get done today.

      I think almost everybody sometimes has to force themselves to do what they need to do, even when that is enjoyable. Real depression is when, more and more often, you just can't. Your conscious mind says "now I get up and do this", but your body stubbornly doesn't obey but keeps doing whatever irrelevant it was doing, like writing to slashdot.

    4. Re:It goes both ways. by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Something like sleeping for 10 hours, trying to get yourself to do something... finally giving up and just going back to sleep for 6 hours? ... maybe I should do something about this.

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    5. Re:It goes both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This.

      On days when it feels like I'm in control of absolutely nothing, all I have to do is play a game and the world disappears for a few hours.

      Feeling powerless sucks; the real reason people who play games don't get laid is because they feel powerless to get themselves laid. The game-playing is just a symptom of that hopeless feeling.

    6. Re:It goes both ways. by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Motivation to go have a beer? When you're depressed? Yeah, that's just what you need, to sit in a smoke-filled room and ingest depressants with the other losers who think that spending too much on a mug full of fuel additive is good treatment for their depression.

      What a bunch of moralistic bullshit. Socialization is a major factor in happiness. For a depressed person, going out to have a drink with friends can do a lot for their mental health. Getting a little disinhibited from the alcohol helps too. Obviously you can over do it. But that doesn't mean that going out for a drink with friends isn't an entirely healthy activity for someone to engage in.

      The point is to do something real. Video-game achievements just aren't a high-enough density feeling of accomplishment to really satisfy you for the rest of the day.

      Maybe to you they're not. Personally, I don't see much difference between putting a ball in a hole or putting a sprite through another sprite. As for the feeling of accomplishment, you're playing the wrong games. Get away from the grind fests and play something challenging. Completing a difficult game, like ascending in nethack, or completing a hardcore shmup is a feeling of accomplishment that stays with you for a lot longer than a day.

      Physical activity *is* very good for depression, because of the physiological effects of exercise. Video gaming can't replace an active lifestyle, I just object to your characterization of gaming as not "real". It's as real as any other hobby.

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  5. Zoloft by evwah · · Score: 5, Funny

    Zoloft rush kekeke ^_^

  6. Anti-depressants and eating habits by bipbop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been on Zoloft twice. The first time, I gained quite a bit of weight. Serotonin plays a major role in appetite regulation. In my experience, that means the feelings of hunger and satiety change, and if you don't adapt to these changes, you might just end up eating a lot more! My eating habits were poor, and I indulged these habits a lot more without the normal feelings to guide me. I never adapted, and I blamed Zoloft for the weight gain.

    Back on Zoloft, I've lost weight. About a year before starting Zoloft, I changed my diet completely and started exercising, and immediately began losing weight. While on Zoloft, that has continued (or perhaps accelerated a bit). Once again, my sense of hunger is a bit off, but with good eating habits in place, the only real difference is forgetting to eat sometimes.

    Of course, I can't generalize from my experience to everyone. But I'd still suggest working on your eating habits before going on an anti-depressant, simply because it is helpful outside that context, as well :-)

    1. Re:Anti-depressants and eating habits by willy_me · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I take Ritalin for Narcolepsy. It acts as a appetite suppressor but the overall effect is still weight gain. What happens is that you don't eat much during the day because you're not hungry. But when the drugs wear off at night you suddenly become famished and end up overeating. The fact that you are exhausted when the drugs wear off just adds to the trouble because you lack the ability to think (or care) about what you're eating. No snack food of any kind allowed in my kitchen. I find that so long as it takes at least 20 min to prepare food, I will be fine. It took me a few years to learn this.

      So I believe that any mood-altering medication can result in weight gain/loss. Overall effect appears to depend largely on the person taking the drug. It takes time to adapt to such a big change to one's brain chemistry. And in my case, I had to change my lifestyle to compensate.

      But I'd still suggest working on your eating habits before going on an anti-depressant, simply because it is helpful outside that context, as well :-)

      Your advice is good but I would like to expand on it. Try recording both what you eat and how you exercise throughout the day before taking any medication. Then when you start taking the medication, try to not change much. Give your brain time to adjust - your body will be grateful for the effort.

  7. even better by yyxx · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hear LSD, cocaine, and crack work even better to rid yourself of a StarCraft addiction.

  8. Sample Size by brainfsck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How statistically significant were these results, given that the sample size was nineteen? I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions considering the control and experimental groups must have included 10 or fewer people.

  9. Yes. It is much better that they watched TV by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    american idol, jeopardy, or similar other programs. doing that every night is so much more 'normal' and 'good'. its a good pastime habit ...

  10. Re:Using drugs for addiction by LiENUS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow... I don't think you'll find too many people abusing bupropion. I only met one person who ever tried to abuse it, and he only tried once... for good reason too. It has this nasty side effect of causing seizures if you take too high of a dose.

  11. More effective ideas (vitamin D, whole foods, etc) by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2, Interesting
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  12. Why... by hitmark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    do i get the impression that the underlying cause for all are a depression, and that the "addiction" is basically the persons way of getting away from the depression. Kid gets depressed for some reason or other, then find relief in playing a game. Thing is, the parents never noticed the depression. But they do notice the number of hours spent playing said game. End result, they thing the kid is addicted to a game rather then something else.

    Thing is, its easier to drug the kid into being a averagely behaving consumer then it is to actually look at why said kid was depressed. This because it is likely that societal changes will be needed to actually fix the source of the depression.

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  13. Re:In other news... by genner · · Score: 2

    In other news, research shows that goal setting, eating right, exercising, going outdoors and getting sun light, and having friends and maybe a girlfriend/boyfriend also helps with Starcraft Addiction and reduces the time spent playing the game.

    Come on, its not rocket science. Anti-depressants work, but they are all "profit" based, as is probably this research. A little change in lifestyle can probably do just as much, except in the most extreme cases where mental illness is involved.

    Getting an addicted gamer to do those things is not a little change of lifestyle.

  14. Video Game Addiction? by Cyberllama · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The media and politicians really seem to like this idea, so it's a decent way to get funding for your study -- but is it really a problem we should be worried about? Video game playing is a form of recreation. Plenty of people spend more than 30 hours a week doing something they love, and very few of them are ever referred to as "addictions". We never talk about people being "addicted" to Golf because they go out and play Golf twice a week and watch a bit of Golf on TV in other free moments. The amount of time you spend on a form of recreation can suddenly make the difference between a perfectly healthy past-time and an "addiction". What about youths "addicted" to basketball? Hell, what about a passive activity that's arguably even more dangers: addicted to television?

    I'm not saying that some people don't spend an unhealthy amount of time playing video games and then obsess about them when they're not playing. But unlike proper drug addictions, these people are not ruining their lives in pursuit of their hobby. They aren't happy, well-adjusted individuals who "everybody really liked until the video games got him". They are people who are unhappy with almost every aspect of their life, and find the enjoyment in video games to be the only source of enjoyment they can look forward to. In short, "Video Game Addiction" is not a disease, its a symptom -- probably of depression. With that in mind, it does make sense that you could "treat" it with anti-depressants -- but should we really be focused on treating symptoms? Hell, it's not even really a symptom so much as it is a form of self-medication. I'm willing to bet that depressed individuals who develop video-gaming habits are probably much less likely to kill themselves. . .

    Oh, I know there are stories in the Newspaper about marriages being "destroyed" by World of Warcraft or whatever, but I'm pretty sure that if you show me a person who withdrew into World of Warcraft to avoid his marriage, I can probably show you a marriage that wasn't particularly happy in the first place.

  15. Wellubutrin ended WOW for me by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I started taking it and I started losing interest playing wow with my wife. I ended up despising it but I never got the connection. I just assumed there are better things to do and feel guilty playing World of Warcraft when I am underemployed. I also understand the possible correlation between under/unemployment and World of Warcraft. :-) So I quit. Whether it was Wellubutrin or a more positive outlook after stopping MMORPG is up for debate. The 2 go hand in hand as those who take such medications have a genunuine desire to better themselves than those who do not care( who would not want to take anything or quit gaming anyway)