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Steam Not Coming To Linux

dkd903 writes "A rumor has been going around for about four months that Valve was working on a Linux version of Steam and this had a lot of people in the Linux community very excited. But, Valve has now officially killed the rumor. And it is not what people wants to hear – there is no Linux version of Steam in development. Doug Lombardi, the Marketing VP of Valve Corporation, in an interview, has put an end to all the rumors by saying that they are not working on Steam for Linux right now."

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  1. Not ready as a gaming platform by odies · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not really a surprise. To begin with 99% of commercial games don't even have a Linux version, so there's nothing to sell to Linux gamers. You can't really rely on emulation either, if you sell the game as a Linux version you really have to do a native build. Then there are hundreds of different Linux distros and configurations which all work a little bit different. Also, just imagine the outcry about DRM and Valve not open sourcing Steam or it's games. The whole open source and everything-must-be-free mentality goes against businesses. You can already read here on slashdot how some people refuse to use Steam because it might go down in 50 years. This thinking is 100x worse with Linux users.

    I think the problem with Linux is that those who develop it push their philosophy too much and refuse to give room for other philosophies, along with way too much spread ecosystem (distros, configurations, all the problems). There's a reason why we still haven't seen the year of Linux on desktop and probably never will. As much as I dislike Apple, if you want an UNIX based desktop OS you get a Mac.

    1. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most serious gamers have dual-boot or a console. There aren't many sales to be gained, honestly.

      Linux would have more to gain by this than Valve, and it's not like it's a priority for the Linux community...

    2. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by Spad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the problem with Linux is that those who develop it push their philosophy too much and refuse to give room for other philosophies

      I'm probably going to upset a lot of people here by comparing Linux to religion; specifically Christianity, but the others are just as guilty of it:

      When Monty Python's Life of Brian was released the church was up in arms about it, protesting and demanding it was banned because *they* didn't like it and *they* felt it was unacceptable for people to watch, that it had a negative effect on the church because it went against what they believed in. It never occurred to them that *other* people might be quite happy to go and see it without any issues at all, they just saw it as their duty to protect all us witless heathens from ourselves.

      A lot of Linux users are exactly the same with anything closed source; *they* don't want closed source software and drivers because *they* feel it's unacceptable for people to use them and that it will have a negative effect on Linux because it goes against what they believe in. It never occurs to them that *other* people might be quite happy to use closed source software & drivers without any issues at all and just see it as their duty to protect all us witless heathens from ourselves.

    3. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by Ephemeriis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To begin with 99% of commercial games don't even have a Linux version, so there's nothing to sell to Linux gamers.

      The same could be said of Macs. Part of what made Steam viable on the Mac was Valve porting a number of their games over to the Mac. And they could do it again for Linux if they wanted to...

      Also, just imagine the outcry about DRM and Valve not open sourcing Steam or it's games. The whole open source and everything-must-be-free mentality goes against businesses. You can already read here on slashdot how some people refuse to use Steam because it might go down in 50 years. This thinking is 100x worse with Linux users.

      This, I think, is the real problem.

      I like free stuff as much as the next guy... And I'm not a big fan of DRM in general... But I can at least accept that game developers need to eat, and that I'm not entitled to their games for free, and that Steam is a relatively reasonable platform.

      A lot of folks here on Slashdot disagree with me. A lot of folks here on Slashdot think Steam is an absolutely horrible thing. They wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole. They sure as hell wouldn't install it on their Linux system and purchase games through it.

      I think the Linux market is even smaller than the Mac market... Not because of the number of users out there, but because of the philosophy you see behind so many Linux users.

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    4. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by gid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sure myself along with many other Linux users are perfectly fine with things such as the closed source nvidia drivers. I'm just glad they exist. I'll let the kernel developers and nvidia duke it out on their own tho.

      As long as I don't have to purchase a driver, I'm fine. :)

    5. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by Macrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To begin with 99% of commercial games don't even have a Linux version, so there's nothing to sell to Linux gamers.

      The same could be said of Macs. Part of what made Steam viable on the Mac was Valve porting a number of their games over to the Mac. And they could do it again for Linux if they wanted to...

      Most Mac owners actually BUY software.

    6. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by locallyunscene · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same can be said of any ideology. Do you believe it is better to have access to the source code, or do you believe that companies will fairly use the trust you have given them to create better products? You think you know the answer that is best for you and they think they know the answer that is best for them. They aren't "forcing" anything on you like most religions I know.

    7. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by watermark · · Score: 4, Informative

      I do dual boot, but I wouldn't have a need to dual boot if the games ran native in Linux. The only reason windows exists on my box is to run games, bringing the cost of games to $cost_of_games+$microsoft_tax. While I like free things as much as the next guy, I expect to pay for games (just not monthly, screw Blizzard.) Steam's DRM is unintrusive and very rarely causes me inconveniences.

    8. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by Kryptonian+Jor-El · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think its less to do with some ideology about only using free software, but with the license under which ubuntu is packaged, where it can't automatically opt you into closed-source software

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    9. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by sammyF70 · · Score: 3, Informative

      But more Linux users will actually pay and pay more for good native games. They just won't pay for something of which they can legally get working free equivalents

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    10. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "M$" and "windrones"? Did you just wake up from early 2000s cryogenic suspension? Here's something to help: we hate Apple now.

    11. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      A program that allows machine code to be run on a system which does not accept it natively. For example, software that allows compiled powerPC code to run on an x86 system would be an emulator.

      WINE by itself allows windows programs compiled for x86 to run without Windows, but only on systems that are also x86. The machine code is never interpreted. It instead provides a compatibility layer for the Windows kernel and API.

      The people who actually wrote WINE knew what emulation is, and that they weren't doing it. You should listen to them

    12. Re:Not ready as a gaming platform by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But realistically I think people like you are probably less than 1% of the market. I'm not trying to offend you or anything, but the number of people who:

      a) Use Linux as their primary OS.
      b) Use a computer for games extensively.
      c) Are not willing to dual boot or have a separate "game box".
      d) Are willing to pay for the games they play (instead of just playing Tux Racer or Majong)

      is pretty small. Most people who use Linux exclusively are willing to compromise on games (and many would not want to use "non-Free" games even if they were available). Most people who really want games are willing to compromise on OS (Either not using Linux as a primary system, dual booting, or having a "game box").

      How much would it cost to port Steam and any reasonable number of the games on Steam, and would gaining you and the people who agree with you make them more money than that? Steam seems to think not.

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  2. Phoronix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your number one source on the web for wild speculation and misinformation in the linux world.

  3. Wine by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Last I checked it ran pretty good in Wine (the Source engine too), so it's not a total loss.

    1. Re:Wine by Americano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It would take just as long as testing on windows, and they'd sell a handful of additional copies as a result of that effort.

      And that, in a nutshell, is why they won't bother.

  4. I'm glad by rshxd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Linux is for serious business. If you want to goof around, buy a Mac

    1. Re:I'm glad by Nursie · · Score: 4, Informative

      Umm, yes, because so many enterprises have adopted Mac OS...

      Insightful my arse. Linux is much bigger than Mac in the enterprise.

  5. Confirmation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    they are not working on Steam for Linux right now.

    This confirms they will be working on it later! I bet it'll be out in time to make 2011 the year of Linux on the desktop!

  6. Re:Valve != iD I suppose by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like iD, they've historically given back to the public domain after a limited period of time. As their new tech comes out they've released the older tech to the general public. My game purchases may be pittance but I like rewarding them as best I can for their actions even in this crappy economy. Still have the metal box Quake 3 Linux package and CD. >_>

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  7. Re:Valve != iD I suppose by segin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Developing for Linux is a lot like developing for OS X - pthreads, POSIX, OpenGL, and all. Besides, if they need their games ported to Linux, all they would have to do is contract Ryan Gordon.

  8. Re:fooled me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Games require fast access to 3D, audio and controls. Having dozens of distros all doing things their own way is a PITA.

    And the last time I heard someone talk about X, he was saying it's two decades behind in terms of what games require.

    Like it or not, there has to be a single Linux distro with a single specific setup if you want companies to support Linux at all.

  9. I don't follow by Jorl17 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't seem to follow this, nor get it straight in my mind.

    It all started as rumors such as this one.

    But, then, they announced that it was official and that Valve had announced that it would be launching a Linux version. I do not recall seeing any actual Valve announcement, but this news hit Slashdot like a "Microsoft-is-dead!"-news-issue: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/its-official-steam-coming-linux
    And they say:

    We recently touched on one way of being a Linux gamer. Recent news that Valve Software will soon be releasing a Linux client promises to provide another option for Linux gamers. The news could not come at a better time as the world will shortly focus on gaming with the upcoming, industry-only E3 conference, the crown jewel of the gaming industry.

    While there are still no details on the list of game titles that will be available, the announcement alone is reason for any Linux gamer to get excited. Steam is a content delivery system for gamers which allows you to buy and download game titles and related media, once you have the client installed.


    So, how do we go from announced to "not happening". Was this "announcement" a fake? It seems like it was...otherwise someone is BS me...

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    1. Re:I don't follow by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Protip: Those rumors had no basis in reality.. This is why you should not trust Phoronix as a source of reliable information in addition to their crappy benchmarks with questionable methodology.

    2. Re:I don't follow by smbell · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not a big fan of Phoronix and it's multi-page click through articles, but saying the rumor had no basis in reality is a bit of a stretch. The short of it is there was never an official announcement. Phoronix pointed out, and many others verified, there was several references to linux in various portions of the Steam client. This all came to a bit of a frenzy as some binaries that appeared to be the early workings of a linux client were found available from a valve server. They were up for several weeks, during which several people played with them and got them to some degree of running, and then the binaries disappeared. Some, including Phoronix, speculated that this was in preparation for getting that client ready for release.

      Most likely there have been several pushes to port things to linux, but never enough follow through, so there are linux compatible bits strewn all over the place.

  10. Excuse me? by voss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who is "They" and how many is a "lot"????

    I use closed source nvidia drivers with no particular ethical issues.
    Most linux users (more than 50%) would be perfectly happy if their favorite game
    worked on linux whether it was closed source or open source, native linux or WINE.

    As a linux user I will say his "holiness" Richard Stallman does not speak for me.

    1. Re:Excuse me? by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Funny

      As a linux user I will say his "holiness" Richard Stallman does not speak for me.

      It's GNU/Linux you heathen scum!

    2. Re:Excuse me? by ACS+Solver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thank you! Same here. I identify myself as a "non-ideological Linux user". I do believe that free software is often better but for purely practical reasons. I use Linux because I find it a very solid OS, because I like the control that it gives me, I like how quickly certain command-line utilities get their respective tasks done, and because I really like KDE. That's it. I'm not using it because of some ideological or philosophical reasons, I have no problem with also using Windows 7, which I find to be a pretty good OS too. I certainly have no problem with using closed-source drivers on Linux or running the occasional proprietary application through Wine.

      I used to like Stallman and the FSF when I thought they're basically Linux advocacy. I don't like them now because they're essentially about philosophy and politics, not about the practical side of software. And because of how their actions are indeed often similar to a hardliner religious group.

    3. Re:Excuse me? by TheNumberless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So he should stop using his browser of choice because if he doesn't, he may someday have to stop using his browser of choice.

  11. Re:Serious gamers by thousandinone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A contradiction in terms? On what do you base that claim exactly? Someone who has a crime on their record is a criminal, regardless of whether they're actively breaking the law or not. If you've ever paid a speeding ticket rather than (successfully) contesting it in court, you are by definition a law-abiding criminal.

    Similarly, Anyone who takes any form of game seriously would meet the definition of 'serious gamer;' professional sports come to mind, as well as the 'serious business' gaming crowd. And one can be dedicated without being serious, just as one can take something seriously without being particularly dedicated to it.

  12. Re:Serious gamers by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A very accurate synopsis! Now, i wonder if you could help me with a definition of the word "pedant." An example of a "pedant" in action may help.

    (I'll take that tongue out of my cheek, now.)

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  13. Re:Serious gamers by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 3, Funny

    "law-abiding criminals"

    Thanks for reminding me my state has primary elections tomorrow...

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  14. Oh enough with that thing by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, Linux users cling to that as their one and only piece of proof that they pay, not realizing how pathetic it is. There are some major, major problems with that:

    1) People made it a cross platform thing, they went out of their way to give more to "Show how good $platform is!" Fine, but that has nothing to do with their normal purchasing habits. They gave more this one time but that doesn't mean they regularly spend money on games.

    2) More importantly, all the numbers are totally pathetic. Linux users paid $13 for 5 games. That is $2.60 per game. Are you fucking kidding me with that? That is supposed to show it as a valid market? Yes, Windows users gave less. Why? Because only the cheapskates were buying. Everyone else owned the games they wanted. I bought World of Goo back when it launched for $20 and considered it a deal. I paid more for one single title in that pack than Linux users paid for the whole damn thing. $20 is also a budget game title, I regularly pay more, as much as $50 for top tier titles.

    So all it really shows is that Linux users are willing to spend a very small amount of money to try and "Prove there's a Linux market." Sorry, not buying the bullshit. You want to impress me? Show me that Linux users would pay retail for each of those games ($40-50). Yes I realize that's above the Windows price since they are indy, however that shows that the market is so hungry for games, they'll pay a lot. Also show me that they'll pay when they just want a game to play, not when they are specifically trying to have a content to make Linux look good.

    1. Re:Oh enough with that thing by sammyF70 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1) shit...someone must have forgotten to send me the memo. I bought the Humble Bundle because the games ranged from good to absolutely amazing, were DRM free, native to the OS I use, and I was able to buy them without breaking my bank account (I paid what I was able to pay at that time, and would have paid more if I had been able to). I didn't know I was doing it to "show how good $platform" is.

      2) So your argument is : "Real Men Pay More"? kind of vain, isn't it? I guess you wouldn't buy any of the ~cheap~ windows games that are available on Steam, in fear someone might see you?!

      my own experience :
      I knew WoG, I already owned the Penumbra trilogy (and in a side note, I've already pre-ordered the next game by Frictional ... just to "prove how Good Linux is" apparently), but I had never heard of Lugaru, Gish or Aquaria before (nor of Samorost for that matter). The Humble Bundle gave me the opportunity to get those games (admitedly for a rather low sum), and I ended up playing through 3 of the 4 games I didn't know ... something that rarely happens when I buy more expensive titles ( mostly from Steam by the way).

      And One Last Thing : paying 50$ to show off your taste in OS (or how large your bank account is) is incredibly stupid.

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