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Toyota Adds External Speakers To Warn Pedestrians

HockeyPuck writes "When I was a kid, playing with my matchbox cars, I used to say 'VROOOM VROOOM' to pretend my toy cars had big engines in them. Well it seems that Toyota has decided to do the same thing with the Prius by optionally installing, in Japan, external speakers to alert pedestrians of oncoming Priuses."

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  1. Horn? by ruiner13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't that what the horn is for?

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    1. Re:Horn? by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For most vehicles travelling at around 30km/h or more, unless the driver is standing on the gas pedal, most of the noise comes from the tires, not the engine.

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    2. Re:Horn? by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you propose we introduce traffic laws that require cars to at all times be going above 30 km/h?

      You don't need much speed to kill a kid or dog, and it'll just feel like a small hump in the road when you start dragging the corpse under your car..

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    3. Re:Horn? by coolsnowmen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what? From the age I was allowed to cross the street, I was told to LOOK both ways, never to just listen for a car. There are many things that move that don't make loud engine noises (bikers, runners, segways, animals) AND fast moving cars. If a car is moving fast enough, you won't hear is coming [till it is too late], especially in a traffic filled area, there are always car sounds. you _ have _ to _ look.

      If you consider the quiet of the prius to be a disadvantage, then roll down the window and just scream the whole time.

      The only reason this would be useful for is blind people. The only [legally] blind person I've even known, only walked in neighborhoods (where cars should be going slow enough to yield to any pedestrian) and cross walks (that have an auditory signal). No where is car sound reliable enough to be a decision making factor.

    4. Re:Horn? by blair1q · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then they won't mind the dent you leave in the hood.

    5. Re:Horn? by Abstrackt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What if they have a heart attack, die, don't land on the horn, and are speeding out of control in electric silence?

      Assuming they push the pedal to the floor during the heart attack and rigor mortis kicks in immediately, the gas engine would kick in and produce noise. Otherwise, their leg muscles would relax once they die making it near impossible for them to push the gas pedal.

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    6. Re:Horn? by knarf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If every car we have today would be silent you would see a great increase in traffic-deaths.

      No, if every car on the road was as silent as electric cars are people would not learn to rely on their hearing to check for the presence of cars. They would look for them instead, just like you're supposed to do now but often ignore 'because you don't hear any cars coming'.

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    7. Re:Horn? by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Those tires make almost no noise at all.

      Do they make these tires in a wife-sized model?

    8. Re:Horn? by yurtinus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed, read the study. I am even more dubious of the threat posed by quieter cars. The sample size of hybrid accidents with cyclists and pedestrians is 125. 125 incidents for HEVs versus 5440 similar incidents in ICE vehicles. The study controls are also *very* dubious. For ICE cars they analyze the Camry, Corolla, Civic, and Accord. For HEVs they compare with the Camry Corolla, Civic, Accord, *and* Prius - a car with a fairly novel design and different viewability than you find in the more "standard" sedans. I'd be very curious to see how the number line up without including the Prius, but seriously doubt there will be enough data to prove anything conclusive.

      So yes, I am extremely dubious about the threat of "quiet cars," thinking it is often being used as an excuse in place of an actual cause (say... driver or pedestrian inattention?). Sure, some tech-gadgets really do save lives, but too many new "safety and convenience features" on cars simply encourage lazy drivers.

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    9. Re:Horn? by PNutts · · Score: 2, Funny

      Last minute burst of acceleration...

      They (Toyota) already have that covered.

    10. Re:Horn? by yurtinus · · Score: 2, Informative

      The sample size hurts, but the biggest problem to me is the cars they include - there is no ICE corollary for the Prius. It *should* be the largest contributor to those statistics, but you can't isolate if the accidents are due to sound (or some other factor related to the HEV), or something else specific to the Prius (visibility, etc).

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    11. Re:Horn? by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, interestingly that under 30 km/h, my fan and/or AC compressor is louder then the engine too. Those would still exist on electric cars too, you know.

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    12. Re:Horn? by Tanman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/pinellas/pedestrian-fatally-hit-by-bike-rider-070510

      This was just the first link in google when I searched for "bicycle fatally hits pedestrian" -- I'm sure there are many more.

    13. Re:Horn? by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know about your town but everyone here is jogging or walking around with headphones or earbuds bolted to their head. Unless the plan is to make these cars sound like some POS ricer or a Harley, it won't make a difference.

      Drivers certainly don't help matters either. The morons here tend to read STOP as Hey, cruise through without turn signals at 10-15 MPH.

      So, yeah, it would be good if people weren't idiots who only focused on themselves but you can legislate or require commonsense. It's the same crap as when iPods started having settings to limit the volume.

      Maybe it's just me but I try to keep my eyes and ears open. If I'm walking along a road without sidewalks, I'm looking back every now and then. Not good visibility? I'm keeping a close eye at the corner obscured by parked van.

      What's next? Warnings on bags to not put them over your head and on buckets about not putting small children upside-down in them with water?

  2. What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollably? by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Funny

    "ATTENTION PEDESTRIANS! This vehicle is accelerating uncontrollably while an elderly man panics in the drivers seat! Please make way!"

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  3. Also add horse sounds by Ossifer · · Score: 5, Funny

    They need to add the sounds of hooves and the cracking of whips too, for those of us not used to these newfangled horseless carriages...

    1. Re:Also add horse sounds by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can't you just hire someone to sit on top of the Prius and crack some coconuts together?

    2. Re:Also add horse sounds by blai · · Score: 2, Funny

      where would you get a coconut?

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    3. Re:Also add horse sounds by SleazyRidr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just take the lime out.

  4. Just when you think... by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just when you think quiet electric cars are going to help diminish the noise pollution problem, they go and do this.

    1. Re:Just when you think... by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Funny

      Noise pollution is better than pedestrian carnage pollution.

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    2. Re:Just when you think... by mark-t · · Score: 2, Informative

      And what do these people do to avoid people on bicycles, while not as likely to be fatal as a collision involving an automobile, a collision involving a bike and pedestrian can still very easily result in a serious injury requiring hospitalization.

    3. Re:Just when you think... by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except there isn't a problem.

      This is a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist.

      Like trying to solve the Bermuda Triangle Mystery when in fact there is no actual mystery.

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  5. Re:What a shame by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 5, Informative

    Also, it reminds me of the old rules requiring someone to walk ahead of automobiles with a bell, so you wouldn't scare the horses...

    We have a car with an advantage (that it is silent at low speeds), and we cripple it because we aren't used to it.

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  6. Re:Only Priuses? by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes. They are admitting to the fact they are fitting optional speakers to the Prius.

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  7. Finally by hsmith · · Score: 2, Informative

    Automobiles are 508 compliant!

  8. Takes out all the fun from old jokes by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Funny

    There was a campaign a while ago where people could suggest advertisement plots for some car brands. Some guy sent something like this in:

    Scene: Blind 9 year old girl crossing the street.

    Camera alternates between showing the closeup of the girl and showing the empty road.

    Screen goes black and in a short while there is a loud noise as if someone was hit by a car.

    The following appears on screen: "New Audi type foo. Very fast. Very quiet."

    The guy didn't hear back about his plot suggestion for some reason.

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  9. If they do, I want options! by DarthVain · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pick your Engine sound:

    1) Default Camcord
    2) Italian Sports Car
    3) Half ton Truck
    4) Harley Davidson Motorcycle
    5) Tank
    6) Horse and Buggy
    7) Monty Python
    8) Ice Cream Truck
    9) VW anything
    10) F1
    11) Flubber
    12)...

    1. Re:If they do, I want options! by NevarMore · · Score: 4, Interesting

      TIE fighter.

  10. Re:Only Priuses? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Linked article says Nissan is planning to add it to the Leaf, too. So I'm afraid I don't understand your point.

    (Also, a lot of hybrids never move without the engine running, so it's less of an issue with, say, the Civic.)

  11. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not panicking, and it's not uncontrolled.

    Learn to cross at the light, asshole.

  12. So it'll be like Nissan's electric cars by Kitkoan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This was already noted by Nissan a while back when they decided to make their next electric cars sound like Blade Runner. Its a safety feature to make sure people like the blind can hear them so they don't walk right into a quiet electric car just as it's turning a corner at the lights.

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  13. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by Bryansix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, Volvo intoduced a pedestrian protection system which instead stops the car. I think it functions at speeds below 30 mph if I remember correctly.

  14. Re:Only Priuses? by h00manist · · Score: 4, Funny

    And do they go VROOM VROOM? That sound that legacy engines used to make, sort of like a SteamPunk car sound effect? I wonder if you can install a tailpipe and make real smoke, and get a radiator full of hot water and stuff. These electric engines are just so boring, they make no noises with water steam smoke etc like cars used to.

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  15. Re:Begs for creative modification by NevarMore · · Score: 2, Funny

    Tie Fighter engine noise

  16. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...while an elderly man panics

    Hey! Some of us Prius drivers are trying to score Death Race points, and this proposal will really impact our scores :-(

  17. $148? How about bicycle tech? by aapold · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A playing card in the rims could do that for a lot less, and I'll wager the drag would cost less than the energy drain of the speaker system too....

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  18. I knew I should have patented my idea by beschra · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ringtones for your hybrid car. Downloadable for 99 cents.

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  19. Nissan Leaf by Flammon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's what the Nissan Leaf sounds like: http://nissan-leaf.net/2010/06/11/nissan-leaf-sound-revealed/

  20. Re:Only Priuses? by cgenman · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's more of a Woo Woo.

  21. Re:$148? How about bicycle tech? by pspahn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Heck, why not just bolt a vuvuzela to the hood?

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  22. Non issue by xaxa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please don't forget the blind that trained themselve to listen to car engin to determine if it's safe to cross. Also i like being able to ear incoming cars it help me to position my self when cycling.

    There are lots of electric cars and hybrid cars round here (and the occasional hybrid bus). I have no problem hearing them approach me on my bicycle -- most of the noise vehicles make is the tyres rubbing against the road. (If it's quiet I can hear bicycle tyres.) Most of the time I don't notice anything unusual until the vehicle has passed.

    Consider: engines don't make that much noise while idling, but you can still hear cars going downhill.

  23. Re:What a shame by cgenman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To be fair, Toyota is crippling it in one market, optionally, by the owner's choice. That's very different than a state requirement that must be met.

    Of course, I've always wanted an option that wasn't quite horn, but wasn't just sitting-politely-waiting either. Keep the horn for the "Oh God We're All Going To Die" moments, and have some sort of sub-horn for "The light turned green: stop texting and drive" or "No really, we're in a right-turn-on-red state."

    If we could hook the outside speaker up to a microphone on the dashboard, I'd be happy. Well, I'd be angry, and there would be a string of expletives that came out of it. But it would be satisfying.

  24. Re:Only Priuses? by AGMW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    maybe it is just me, but wouldn't it be easier to just teach drivers to watch the hell out for pedestrians?

    oh right, my bad, in this world no one can be bothered to look out for themselves or anyone else... we need to pay $150 for an extra to make our nice, quiet car contribute to the already horrific noise polution.

    The problem is that people (pedestrians) will simply step off the pavement without looking if they think it is safe to do so, and not hearing any danger may fool them into thinking there is no danger - it's not about drivers looking out for pedestrians, the hell or otherwise! They do it all the damn time, and just because it's not the driver's fault doesn't make the pedestrian any the less squashed!

    Now, that all said, I had a ride in an Electric MGF on Monday morning and I asked the owner this very question, "do you need to be extra careful about pedestrians" and he said he was careful but that modern cars are (or can be!) so quiet these days anyway that it's actually not so different an experience to driving a modern/new car.

    And FWIW the Electric MGF was awesome and I'd love one!

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  25. Sample found! by babboo65 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was able to locate a copy of the factory default sound played for the Prius speakers to make a more noticable engine sound.

    http://tiny.cc/kdrv9

  26. Re:$148? How about bicycle tech? by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heck, why not just bolt a vuvuzela to the hood?

    Because unlike a Toyota, a vuvuzela can stop.

  27. Re:What a shame by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We "cripple" it because it isn't safe. Just like spooking the horses also wasn't safe when they were populating the roads. Until people learn that cars are no longer noisy, I would except nothing less than "crippling".

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  28. Re:Only Priuses? by PunditGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Forget mimicry. I want either Peter Weller (in a Robocop voice) or Patrick Warburton (in a Tick voice) to say "Step aside, citizen."

  29. Re:Only Priuses? by icebike · · Score: 4, Funny

    So record the Corvette and play it on the Prius speakers.

    Of course the crowd reaction will be one of rolling in the street laughing their asses off. But at least they were warned.

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  30. How about some location sensitive ad? by cf18 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On board computer see external temperature > 26C: "McDonald is only 2 block to your south, $1.50 for a cold drink!"
    On board computer detects police radio frequency close by: "Turn left here and you will see Dunkin Donuts in 1 minute!"
    I bet it is already patented.

  31. Re:Only Priuses? by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The blind have no problems hearing electric cars.
    They aren't deaf, like the rest of the retarded populace, and they don't have shitty white earbuds jammed into their ears 24/7, like the rest of the retarded populace.

    Electric cars driving down a street are not quiet.
    They are simply quieter than a regular car.

    It's not like trying to listen to a cat sneaking up behind you on a carpeted floor.

  32. Re:Only Priuses? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2, Funny

    So record the Corvette and play it on the Prius speakers.

    Don't be silly. Users record things for the car to play? How do you know they'll pay the required royalties? If you want a Corvette cartone, then you can damn well pay $5 for it at the Toyota Store.

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  33. Re:Only Priuses? by thrawn_aj · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not like trying to listen to a cat sneaking up behind you on a carpeted floor.

    Let it go, Calvin =)

  34. Re:Only Priuses? by lxs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh yeah! It'll be just like my camera phone going *click* and pretending to be a real camera.

    I wonder how many decades we will be stuck with pointless throwbacks like this.