Slashdot Mirror


They Finally Found Out We Like Our Computers

I'm Not There (1956) writes "Sociologist Clifford Nass is talking about how people think of their computers as something like human beings. In one of his experiments, Nass found that people are more willing to 'help' computers when the computer helped them previously: 'When people were then asked to help optimize the screen resolution on a computer where the program had been "helpful," they were much more likely to do so than with the less helpful version.' He also found that people evaluating software's performance were more forgiving if the evaluation was done on the same computer the software was tested on. Nass has recently published the book The Man Who Lied to His Laptop, in which he 'uses our interactions with machines to investigate how human relationships could be improved.'"

44 of 184 comments (clear)

  1. A proposition by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nass has recently published the book The Man Who Lied to His Laptop, in which he 'uses our interactions with machines to investigate how human relationships could be improved.'

    I propose forcing women to think like computers instead of like women. They would be much easier to interact with.

    --
    "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    1. Re:A proposition by biryokumaru · · Score: 2, Funny

      I dunno, I already lie to my wife all the time and it doesn't seem to help.

      --
      When you're afraid to download music illegally in your own home, then the terrorists have won!
    2. Re:A proposition by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 4, Funny

      I propose forcing women to think like computers instead of like women. They would be much easier to interact with.

      What? are you crazy? that would be horrible....Just imagine trying to have a conversation with a woman who continually pauses, buffers, and freezes as she is talking to you... ...damn, that actually sounds pretty awesome!

      --
      -I only code in BASIC.-
    3. Re:A proposition by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sure, but bluescreening in the middle of a blowjob would be more than a little annoying...

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    4. Re:A proposition by Fluffeh · · Score: 2, Funny

      a woman who continually pauses, buffers, and freezes as she is talking to you... ...damn, that actually sounds pretty awesome!

      Pretty awesome?! I can think of a couple of situations where that certainly isn't the best idea...

      Oh yeah, keep going!...
      *pauses*
      Don't stop... That's the one...
      *buffering*
      What?! No, keep going! Don't stop now! Now NOW!
      *blue screen*
      Fine. I'll just go have a wank...

      --
      Moved to http://soylentnews.org/. You are invited to join us too!
    5. Re:A proposition by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "I propose forcing women to think like computers instead of like women. They would be much easier to interact with."

      I guess you either haven't dealt with a women and/or used Windows lately.

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    6. Re:A proposition by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

      I propose forcing women to think like computers instead of like women. They would be much easier to interact with.

      So logically, until you lose that beer gut, learn to pick your socks up off the floor, do laundry and dishes and clean up after you "help" by cooking and leaving a god-forsaken mess, and ask for directions when you're lost, you fail the unit testing process. Better be ready to go f$ck yourself :-)

    7. Re:A proposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I'm almost there! Almost! Now I am 39 years from it. Now I am 3 seconds! 99%.... 99%.... 99%...."

    8. Re:A proposition by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 2, Funny

      $>sudo fsck me

      That will be all

      --
      SSC
    9. Re:A proposition by captainlavender · · Score: 2, Funny

      Think that through again. "Three hours of sports equals one instance of sex. You have watched six hours; therefore sex is not necessary for two more days." Or, on a more misogynist note, how about when it takes you eight reboots to get her to make the damned baloney sandwich you need for work today?

    10. Re:A proposition by derGoldstein · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think I'll get a model where all the hardware is Linux or *BSD compatible.

      But then you're stuck with a rather crappy UI, and who wants that on a woman...

      --
      Entomologically speaking, the spider is not a bug, it's a feature.
    11. Re:A proposition by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think that's very misogynistic. While not disagreeing with your assessment, it's true that I can go out with a woman, learn all about the way she likes to be treated, what turns her on, off, etc, and then think I've got it all figured out. I'll go out with another, apparently similar, woman, and everything I know is now wrong. I give the same set of inputs, and I receive completely different outputs. Sometimes even faults, errors, and outright crashes. Sometimes it doesn't even have to be a different woman, just a different time or day. I do the same things I was doing a while ago, and I get a completely different response with no apparent rhyme or reason that I can detect prior to opening my mouth, all of a sudden there's just a purse flying at my head.

      Contrast that with writing code. No matter what computer I run a certain program on, if I give it the same inputs I'm guaranteed to get the same outputs, because the computer is doing the exact same thing the other one was (I realize it's not that simple, but you know what I'm saying).

      Contrast that with men, even. If you find a guy, and you figure out that he enjoys having a few beers out, followed by a blowjob, it's reasonably fair to assume that at any point in the future if you repeat your actions, he's going to respond the same way. Hell, I've been with women that I've slept with several times who one night decide they don't want to have sex right in the middle of sex. And yes, I'm sure you're thinking that's also my fault, but they did come back after the first several times.

      That's all I meant. I wasn't trying to be misogynistic, Sweet Cheeks. No reason to get your panties in a bunch.

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    12. Re:A proposition by jacquelinew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wasn't trying to be misogynistic

      Yeeeaaah, that's kinda what I was talking about. Congrats though, now I just figure you're not that great with people in general, most men I know are more interesting than you portray them too.

    13. Re:A proposition by froggymana · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The UI for Linux isn't bad. Its a lot better than Windows IMHO. There is always room for improvement too though. Personally though, the UI of a terminal doesn't get much better than what its at now.

      --
      "To prevent this day from getting any worse, I'll just read ERROR as GOOD THING" 1GJU8xLuDKDxEs4KLf8fAGyptoDsqvEsBT
    14. Re:A proposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've never understood this 'women are hard to understand" thing. It seems pretty easy to me, since they are just humans, after all. Perhaps if you spent less time thinking about sex you might notice what's going on?

    15. Re:A proposition by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Informative

      The games may not be as visually interesting to a third party, but they're no less fun.

    16. Re:A proposition by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2, Informative

      And how exactly have I portrayed most men to be? I said that if you figure out what a guy likes, chances are he's going to keep liking that same thing. That sounds neither uninteresting nor interesting, just "normal".

      I'm glad that you can read so much into what I write that you're able to determine what kind of a person I am, though. I think we're making a connection here.

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    17. Re:A proposition by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah but it's still statutory rape if you need wine to ply her.

      --
      A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
    18. Re:A proposition by TheLink · · Score: 2, Funny

      You past the lying with your wife stage already?

      --
    19. Re:A proposition by yanyan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Get a chatroom, you two.

    20. Re:A proposition by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And this is the mistake most men make. Once men figure out what they like, they see no reason to change.

      I'm not sure if that's a mistake..

      Women like mystery.

      I understand, things like impulsiveness, surprises, and The Unknown are attractive. I enjoy setting things up like this for people who appreciate it, although I don't really like the convention that it's essentially the man's job to come up with everything. Maybe I've just dated the wrong women, but it seems like there are significantly more things expected of men than women. Even right down to the first meeting, traditionally it's the man's responsibility to approach the woman. It seems like the burden is always on the guy to find something new and exciting for the two to do. I just surprised my ex-girlfriend and current friend with a $5k custom guitar for her master's music degree graduation. She's a great girl, but I would have loved it if any one of my girlfriends had ever put in an effort to do something like that for me. Not even financially, just something fun and unexpected. I appreciate the draw, I just dislike how it's a man's responsibility to initiate everything. I understand there are women out there not like that, who actually are willing to give back everything they get, but it's pretty disheartening when every single one I've dated has shared at least that one trait.

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    21. Re:A proposition by BluBrick · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine a Beowulf ... oh wait ...

      It's called a Harem!

      --
      Ahh - My eye!
      The doctor said I'm not supposed to get Slashdot in it!
    22. Re:A proposition by AlamedaStone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I propose forcing women to think like computers instead of like women. They would be much easier to interact with.

      Given that your reaction to an unrelated article is a misogynistic 'joke,' the difficulties in your relations with women might not be on their end.

      Aww c'mon, mod this up, she got him good :D

      He was saying he had trouble interacting with women, and she kicked him in the teeth. That's not a win for feminism.

      --
      "All these years believing you're the signified monkey, only to find out you're just a big hunk of nobody cares."
  2. Of course we like our computers by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They bring us free porn on a daily basis!

    --
    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    1. Re:Of course we like our computers by camperslo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Be careful with those warm, fuzzy computer moments. The oxytocin that triggers may make you trust them too much. Think of it as a new sort of user vulnerability.

  3. Like I needed to know. by Idbar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Like I needed to know how to improve my relationship with machines. What I need is a map to get out of the basement and interact with real people!

    1. Re:Like I needed to know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      1- Start doing some exercise (Say running instead of crawling to the refrigerator)
      2- Now you can jog for a few minutes a day(You don't need to go outside just)
      3- Start spending every weekend climbing some mountain
      (By this point you are only ugly at worst, it is okay)
      4- Do some muscular training (Women dig muscle even on an ugly man - just don't overdo it and become some muscle champion, women don't like small dicks)
      5- Get or change job to one that lists female employees (We can't hope to get you into a bar successfully yet)
      6- Force yourself to talk to the female employees (Start from the ugly ones just so you remember you don't want to fall for a coworker, they are only the last option if you can't succeed otherwise, the friend zone is your friend. And at this point you are likely to bring sexual harassment charges to yourself.)
      (By now you should understand women a bit better)
      7- Meet some woman you aren't going to see again (Say a fellow mountain climber) Talk her into a dinner.
      8- After she has declined your advancements note at which point it happened and try to fix what you think might have failed. Remember to use what you learned of women thought from your coworkers, what kind of hair or dressing fits you better and the like.
      (Volume is important to account for standard deviation, be sure to use equivalent lines for every single woman you meet. If every single woman dumps you before starting you have probably missed something in the previous steps.)
      9- IF NOT DINNER GOTO 7
      10 - "Damn it worked! It has never worked before! What am I supposed to do?" Nothing. Just talk to her and follow a similar debugging process. Here the goal isn't sleeping with her(That would be an advanced student bonus) you want her to repeat the meetings while knowing you are romantically interested in her. If you are put into the friend zone don't dump her, use as woman thought database material.
      11 - UNTIL KISS GOTO 7 (Sorry)
      12 - (Now you are pretty close, assuming you didn't force it, if you did you might be close anyways) Tell her you think you might feel romantically inclined towards her. Try to repeat the kissing experience as many times as possible. Then use as many low(but legal) tricks as you can(wine, long late dinners, I missed the last train) to run the final mile. Women can smell your insecurity long after they are into you. It is a lot easier to nail them when one is not an insecure nerd. Remember to bring condoms but not the whole box and if you think you might come in milliseconds that first time practice self-control techniques at home. Also practice for the opposite situation or at least fake an orgasm after about 30 minutes since penetration. Women aren't as tight as hands. Don't try anything but missionary position until the second sex date and don't ever cum on eyes tits mouth unless she asks you to or you are sure apologies will work.
      13 - It's not the end, you might break up with her, don't despair, troubleshoot repeat and rinse. You should have a lot more self esteem after sex with a woman who wasn't a sex worker.
      14 - ???
      15 - Profit

    2. Re:Like I needed to know. by icebraining · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pff, I'm not taking advice from some noob who uses GOTO.

    3. Re:Like I needed to know. by martin-boundary · · Score: 2, Funny

      I tried leaving the basement once, but there was a Grue on the other side of the door. Apparently, the map I downloaded was from an old teletype machine.

    4. Re:Like I needed to know. by eamonman · · Score: 5, Funny

      But he was giving you basic advice

      --
      0- Eamonman Proud member of DNRC
    5. Re:Like I needed to know. by AlamedaStone · · Score: 2, Funny

      4- Do some muscular training (Women dig muscle even on an ugly man - just don't overdo it and become some muscle champion, women don't like small dicks)

      I'm not a muscle champion and I still have a small dick. What am I supposed to do about that?

      Buy tiny furniture.

      --
      "All these years believing you're the signified monkey, only to find out you're just a big hunk of nobody cares."
    6. Re:Like I needed to know. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can't run the program, system requirements are too high, crashes on launch. Can you write a more lightweight version?

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  4. I don't know how to maturely discuss this. by Spazntwich · · Score: 3, Funny

    Guess this lowers the theoretical barriers to the sexbot market.

    We'll see robot girlfriends purposefully installing Microsoft software for the plausible deniability upon contracting a virus.

    Wish I could quarantine my W32.Herpes/Worm. :'(

    1. Re:I don't know how to maturely discuss this. by d3ac0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sexbot? Bah. I'd rather have a Persocom anyday. Not only are they cuter, they will do the laundry and cook.

      --
      Official Heretic from the "Church of Global Warming". Proven right thanks to whistle blowers. AGW = Flat Earth Theory
  5. I prefer to beat my computers. by scourfish · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'll throw it down a flight of stairs and give them these black and blue smudges on their LCD screens every now and then; but I only do it because I love them, and they have to learn that when I say "bitch, automake me a Makefile," I expect it now and nothing should be reporting to standard error. I'm that machine's user because it wasn't good enough for anybody else.

    1. Re:I prefer to beat my computers. by Peach+Rings · · Score: 2, Funny
  6. Remember that time? by PsyciatricHelp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And you think they remember past events now. if they were like computers you would have to pray for it to crash. Queue Brand jokes.

  7. Sounds right to me by Beerdood · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd say the opposite is true as well - when your computer isn't being helpful you'd also treat it more like an annoying person. When a certain paperclip showed up on a certain program, I'd say out loud "Oh would you FUCK OFF already!!?!".

    --
    Global warming and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking number of pirates - Gospel of the FSM
  8. Re:Implications for android development... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why would it be superficial to date a self-aware non-biological machine?

    Sounds like uppity biological machine talk to me.

  9. Re:Not me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I once tossed a desktop in a river. The water was brackish, so it was fresh at times and salt at others. I fished the computer out after a few weeks. After letting it dry, I put it in from of the other computers. I threatened to do the same to the other computers.

    I have not had a problem since with any machine. I am often told that the computer problem just goes away when I go near other people's computers to fix them. I think the computers got the message. Piss me off and I will toss you in the river.

    The question remains: Can we do that to congress and not get jail time?

  10. Never anthropomorphize computers ... by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... they hate it when you do that.

    --
    Prime numbers are exactly what Alan Greenspan says they are -S. Minsky
    1. Re:Never anthropomorphize computers ... by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nah, what they hate and what they like alternates in a completely random fashion.

      Except for clothes shopping. They may say they hate it but that doesn't stop them from inspecting every garment in the store.

  11. Some people must be SICK! by thatkid_2002 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So if people think of their computers as people why do they not care about their computers getting viruses? Some people are ignorant, some are lazy and don't care that their computer/friend has a virus. Some think that it is not their problem! There is clearly a type of person in our society who receive minimal respect for the work they do - in fact they are treated worse than animals!

    People who go around giving STDs to people knowingly are prosecuted - why not people who do the same with computers?

    Why would you care about your pet or your friend getting sick and not your computer?

    As you can see, I respect my follow peoples. (Even if I don't like them... damn Windows people).

  12. Re:Not me. by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I work in a school and from many years ago I remember the best (imho) moments.

    1. In a classroom with computers, 1 mouse broke, I nailed it to the wall at the head of the room to show the other mice what I would do to them if they also broke down, for the last 3 years in that classroom no mice broke.

    2. One of the administrative staff was having a problem with her computer, she called me and I came downstairs.
    She showed me what she did and sure enough, the machine gave an error message.

    Me: Ok, do you treat the computer nice enough?
    Her (confused): What do you mean???!?
    Me: Oh, just the little things, an encouraging word, a caress on its case, you know.
    Her (angry): I never heard of such a thing, that thing is a machine, it doesn't have feelings!!
    Me: Oh no? Let me show you (as I slowly caress its case), there there, she is not such a bad person, you can trust her, won't you work for her like you work for me hmmmm??

    After that, I repeated the same actions in the software as she did 100%, but I did not get the error message.
    She was REALLY confused, but saw that my method of working with computers worked better than hers and I cannot count the times I walk into an office and the problem disappears.

    So you see, sometimes the stick, sometimes the carrot.

    --
    This is the sig that says NI (again)