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Narcissists, Insecure People Flock To Facebook

Meshach writes "A study out of Canada claims that Facebook is a magnet for narcissists and people with low self-esteem. The theory is that these people use the site as a means of self promotion or to feel important."

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  1. HOLY CRAP!! by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, really, WOW!

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    1. Re:HOLY CRAP!! by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I mean, really, WOW!

      It's not as surprising as that. In fact, I would not call it much of a surprise at all.
      Probably the same can be said for MySpace and any other "social" site - they appeal to some mix of the insecure (such as teenagers) and the narcissistic (a particular kind of sociopath, often an adult). I had a FaceBook account for a short while, then saw what other people were doing there (people I know), and decided not to be a part of the vacuous trumpeting that substitutes for interaction. My FaceBook account was zombified quite a while ago - all its content deleted.

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    2. Re:HOLY CRAP!! by DanTheStone · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They're extrapolating too far outside the sample. The sample was 100 university students. They don't adequately represent the population that uses Facebook. Plus, we have no idea how they ranked the narcissism and self-esteem listed in TFA. If narcissism was determined by how much you tell other people about what you do, of course people using Facebook would rank highly on that scale.

    3. Re:HOLY CRAP!! by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      At least we know your sarcasometer is properly calibrated. :)

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    4. Re:HOLY CRAP!! by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Based on the number of friends I have, and the number of announcements of "hey join me at farm wars" Vs. "hai Im in ur survey you can haz cheezburger" Vs. "L@@K at me, L@@K what I did 11!111!!!" I'd say that the survey is fairly accurate. Taking that further to the couple people I *know* to have low self esteem and the one true narcissist I know, and how much time they spend on FB, yeah I think the survey is spot on.
      -nB

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    5. Re:HOLY CRAP!! by Yaztromo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Plus, we have no idea how they ranked the narcissism and self-esteem listed in TFA.

      You just need to find a better article:

      The more prolific the Facebook activity, the lower they rated on the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale and the higher in the Narcissism Personality Inventory.

      Or from the published research itself:

      After agreeing to participate in this research study, Facebook owners were administered a brief four-part questionnaire. The first section required demographic information, including the participant's age and gender. The second section addressed Facebook activity; it required respondents to indicate the number of times they check their Facebook page per day and the time spent on Facebook per session. The remaining sections assessed two psychological constructs: self-esteem and narcissism.

      The Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale was used to measure participant self-esteem. This 10-item test measured self-esteem using a 4-point Likert scale, ranging from strongly disagree to strongly agree. Example items include “On the whole, I am satisfied with myself” and “I take a positive attitude toward myself.” The original reliability of this scale is 0.72. This measure has gained acceptable internal consistency and test–retest reliability, as well as convergent and discriminant validity.

      Narcissism was assessed using the Narcissism Personality Inventory (NPI)-16. The NPI-16 is a shorter, unidimensional measure of the NPI-40. While the 40-item measure revealed an =0.84, the NPI-16 has an =0.72. Despite this discrepancy, the two measures are correlated at r=0.90 (p

      And now you know.

      Yaz.

    6. Re:HOLY CRAP!! by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, I call bullshit on that. Twitter is the site of narcissists.

    7. Re:HOLY CRAP!! by causality · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least we know your sarcasometer is properly calibrated. :)

      I hate to break it to you and to Slashdot in general, but not every response to the underlying sentiment behind the sarcasm is a failure to understand that it was, in fact, sarcasm. The uptake of this idea is low because it might give the peanut gallery a little less to chuckle about.

      About Facebook, I've been saying this for a long time now on various other Slashdot stories that mention it. I usually use the term "exhibitionist" to describe what is clearly not a desire that would occur to mentally healthy people with joyful fulfilling lives. The reason I don't participate in sites like Facebook is because I don't need the casual attention of strangers and distant acquaintences in order to feel special and important.

      If I had a need to feel special and important at all it would be a sign that I need to check my ego. Those things are a chasing after the wind. At their best, they can produce a momentary sense of gratification shortly followed by a need for more. There's no lasting joy, meaning, or well-being to be found in them. They're as empty as the hollow people who chase after them hoping to find a sense of worth. There's no real fulfillment, just a bunch of fools looking to be filled with the attentions of others.

      That's why social networking sites have been a big headline-making craze, a trendy bandwagon, and not just another thing people happen to be doing for the fun of it. It has to be glamorous and talked-about and made into a public spectacle. That's what the people who flock to it have a deep-seated unhealthy need to experience. The trend and the headlines are just rushing in to fill their vacuum. What a sorry substitute for addressing the real problems of the deep sense of alienation, fear, pessimism, divisiveness, selfishness, need for drama, lack of community, and lack of love that so thoroughly characterizes modern society.

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    8. Re:HOLY CRAP!! by icebike · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The most prominent objections to the story on the CTV linked story were from people (claim to) who use Facebook as a means to keep up with old friends.

      Fair enough. But one has to ask if this is all that healthy in and of itself. In the history of human kind, people move on in life. Old friends remain, but new friends are made.

      One wonders how many of these "friendship maintainers" are really substituting old friends for new ones, clinging to some happy period in their past, and cutting themselves off from the present. Its not that normal to be involved in or even knowledgeable of the day to day lives of people you do not communicate directly with. It never has been.

      Is there any gratification in Facebook? (I wouldn't know, never signed up). Is there really as much grandiosity as you suggest? Or is it more just a means of clinging?

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    9. Re:HOLY CRAP!! by Bob-taro · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had a FaceBook account for a short while, then saw what other people were doing there (people I know), and decided not to be a part of the vacuous trumpeting that substitutes for interaction.

      Fortunately, you'll find none of that in this forum!

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    10. Re:HOLY CRAP!! by causality · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At their best, they can produce a momentary sense of gratification shortly followed by a need for more. There's no lasting joy, meaning, or well-being to be found in them.

      Brother, that's life. Period. Get your ephemeral joy in because there is no other kind of happiness to be had.

      A lot of people feel the way that you do. I used to, in fact.

      After you've suffered enough of that, which unfortunately may take years, what you realize is that the joy you derive from doing the right thing, from loving and looking after your fellow human being, from all of those unsolicited and unexpected acts of kindness and understanding, those were the only things that really mattered. Those are the things that the world can't take away from you unless you permit it.

      There's something noble and uplifting about serving your fellow human being with no thought of reward or even basic gratitude. There's something "overcoming" about having patience for the next slight, the next sling and arrow that some ignorant individual may hurl your way.

      The most amazing thing of all is when people who need a good example gravitate quite naturally into your life without your input or your planning. Then you find that there are many wounded spirits in this world who don't understand the damage that they do. Then you find that a few of them are ready for something better and all they need is someone to represent for them what that means, not by putting on an act, but by being who you really are.

      For me, THAT is life. Not the cynical picture that you portray. Gratification is empty and hollow and meaningless by comparison. It is attractive only to those who know nothing better, friend.

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  2. ...what ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They needed a fucking study to see that ?

    1. Re:...what ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's called the scientific method. Maybe you've heard of it. It requires you to not believe something just because everyone knows it.

    2. Re:...what ? by Zeek40 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In related news, a three year long Canadian study that recently concluded has revealed that snow is cold and water is wet.

    3. Re:...what ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure they do. The sort of people that do this type of study are also narcissists, and use bloody-fucking-obvious "research" to promote themselves, and make themselves seem important.

    4. Re:...what ? by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They needed a fucking study to see that ?

      If they said it without a study we'd have a bunch of "[citation please]" followed by sarcastic comments that a few anecdotes are meaningless, and how they happen know a bunch of humble self-assured people who use facebook a lot too.

      So yes, they needed a fucking study. Its how we separate truth from truthiness. Science at work. Just because it confirms what most people might beleive is true doesn't make it unworthy of study. Sometimes looking into things that most people believe is true has surprising results.

    5. Re:...what ? by hufman · · Score: 2, Funny

      So all we have to do is reduce the risk of death! We can live forever!

    6. Re:...what ? by chaboud · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But we're willing to take a priori definitions of narcissists and people with low self-esteem?

      We're way into the deep end of the soft-science pool here, and it's not a big pull-back reveal that narcissists and those with low self-esteem seek out essentially risk-free forms of socialization and fora for self-aggrandizement.

      Worse still, the study was conducted on a set of just 100 students, which hardly seems like a statistically sound sample unless the biases are off the charts. Additionally, we couldn't say from a survey like this if the behaviors were correlative or causal. To her credit, the author doesn't appear to make such a leap.

      Still, sampling bias, causation, statistical significance, and control all seem to interfere with the possible validity of any significant conclusions that we could draw, even the obvious ones. It's an undergraduate student, though. She's could be just passive-aggressive and looking to rip on her dorm-mates behind the veil of science.

      I mean, why not?

    7. Re:...what ? by chaboud · · Score: 2, Funny

      We should run a study just to be sure.

    8. Re:...what ? by KingAlanI · · Score: 2, Insightful

      exactly - "it's obvious" snarkiness seems to be an example of attitudes from people confused about the nature of science
      Either that, or they know science and mark stuff like this as a lower priority considering limited research resources.
      There is some value in the details of what seems obvious, even if the basic premise holds

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  3. Among others... by divisionbyzero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No doubt they do. And they are probably among millions of others who go there to keep connected with friends that they wouldn't otherwise be able to. Vain people look in mirrors a lot. Does that mean only people who are vain own mirrors? What a ridiculous study.

    1. Re:Among others... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're so vain, you probably think this post is about you.

    2. Re:Among others... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny

      RTFA. "The study doesn't go so far as to say that all heavy users of Facebook are narcissists or people with very low self-esteem"

      "In fact," the researchers added, "we have reason to suspect that as many as a dozen FaceBook users are well-adjusted, mentally healthy, members of society."

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  4. You're kidding me... by Rooked_One · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean these people who used to (I deactivated my facebook account long ago) annoy the arse out of me with their childrens every bowel movement and that their workout was great are narcissists? And just want attention? I sense a book on facebook addiction and overcoming it coming out soon.

    1. Re:You're kidding me... by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's this thing where you can block people or even entirely remove them from your 'friends'...

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  5. Time for the followup by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't wait to hear what they have to say about Slashdot.

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  6. Shameless promoters? by Haffner · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most of my friends that are still active facebookers tend to use it for business means. One amusing direction for facebook would be a bunch of promoters saying "Hey, come to my club, you're cool just for coming!" and narcissists thinking, "Yeah, I should definitely go, it'll make me look cooler!" and in the end, facebook will be win-win-win, where the promoters, the narcissists, and the sane minority all get their way.

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    1. Re:Shameless promoters? by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Funny

      If by "club" you mean Sarlac Pit, then I'm all for it!

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  7. OTOH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One could just as easily say the same about people who publish "studies."

  8. Doesn't that describe... by Thelasko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    everyone?

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  9. Whatever by killmenow · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just use it to play Farmville.

  10. Flawed study is flawed by helixcode123 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to TFA the study sample involved college students. What about other demographic groups? For most of the more "mature" folks I know that use Facebook it's a means of keeping in touch with distant friends, or to maintain a bit of social connection in a life dominated by work and family obligations.

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    1. Re:Flawed study is flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      According to TFA the study sample involved college students. What about other demographic groups? For most of the more "mature" folks I know that use Facebook it's a means of keeping in touch with distant friends, or to maintain a bit of social connection in a life dominated by work and family obligations.

      Most studies involve students because researches work at universities.

      These same studies also cite a study which justifies the use of students for studies.

      I would cite it, but you clearly have not done any research, so neither will I.

  11. dont forget living in the past by digitalsushi · · Score: 5, Funny

    I found facebook as a great place to reconnect for the first time with girls that used to be pretty in high school, clinging to their pregnancy photos as though they were my own children, laughing with them.. printing them out and putting them on my fridge.. It's also a great place to have a decent, private conversation with your best friend's mom without him "getting all weird about this". A place for adults to communicate as they wish. A place for grownups.

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  12. Bad summary by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Heaviest users of Facebook are Narcissists, Insecure" is more appropriate title.

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  13. What's that make twitter? by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously.

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  14. Seems fitting. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't Mark Zuckerberg known to be a complete jerk and a narcissist?

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  15. Southpark told us this months ago by fartingfool · · Score: 2, Interesting
  16. Keyword "narcissist" a lot more in the news lately by cshay · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In remember when I only heard the word "narcissist" and "narcissism" in the college classroom and in self help books. But in the last 2 years I think its usage has been climbing dramatically. Anyone with Lexus-Nexus access care to check? I think it was a lyric in a few pop songs so maybe that's the cause.....

  17. Sample Size by Shin+Dig · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Note, this study had a sample size of 100 college students, possibly self selected (selection criteria wasn't readily presented). It's really dubious to make a generalization on that.

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  18. Re:If all you've got to survey is ... by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

    there's probably an even larger group of users who are grandchildren. Grandchildren who, when trolling for sex on facebook, should probably remember that they have friended their grandparents... (And yes, studies confirm that 100% of facebook users are grandchildren of someone.)

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  19. What about Narcissists with low self esteem? by Red4man · · Score: 2

    Or do they just post journals to slashdot?

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  20. Kettle calls Pot black by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I find it humorous that so many Slashdotters bag on Facebook users, who are apparently self-absorbed. Tell me you don't give a rat's ass how your Slashdot comments are moderated. Tell me you've never looked to see how many people are interested in reading your comments. I know there will always be those who profess to be completely disinterested in their social standing in Slashdot, but methinks the number who actually don't give a damn is smaller than the number who make that claim.

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  21. Re:Keyword "narcissist" a lot more in the news lat by straponego · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think you mean Lexis-Nexis, but you'll definitely find more narcissists at the Lexus Nexus. All of them far too important to use a turn signal.

  22. Meta Meta, who's got the Meta? by Tetsujin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh, and I have a sig line, too! Gary Numan is cool!

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