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Swedish Police Shoe Database May Tread On Copyright

An anonymous reader writes "The Swedish police, who have been instrumental in various raids against file-sharing sites, may have a bit of a piracy problem on their own hands. It seems they wanted to put together a database of shoe print information for matching crime scene shoe prints to particular shoe types. To do so, they used images found online, and some Swedish copyright experts have noted that this appears to violate Swedish copyright law. The police claim there's an exception for police investigations, but people (and some shoe companies) are pointing out that creating a database isn't about an investigation."

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  1. Sure it is! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

    The investigations are just hypothetical and in the future!

    Also, the NSA needs to spy on my phone conversations in case I ever become a terrorist. Which, I have to admit, is pretty good foresight on their part.

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    1. Re:Sure it is! by dreampod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Amongst professional criminals I'm sure that this sort of thing is common but when dealing with crimes of passion or low value crimes it becomes much more useful. After all when you own only a pair or two of shoes of a style and become a suspect, having just replaced them with brand new shoes is very suspicious. As well for something like a convenience store robbery it starts to make it even more financially worthless when you steal $50 and have to replace a $30 pair of shoes.

    2. Re:Sure it is! by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you think the police can just steal phone tapping equipment? I do believe they have to buy it, like they would with these pictures. Either they are all for IP or not.

    3. Re:Sure it is! by shaitand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As much as I oppose anything that strengthens the police state (any police state really) I feel compelled to point something out. Shoeprints being part of a future police investigation is about as hypothetical as my claim that should I throw a rock in the air it will fall back down.

      The volume of previous observations that can be found by searching through police files where shoe prints were in evidence is pretty substantial.

  2. Process by rjstanford · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Had they just requested sample prints, many (most?) shoe companies would probably have been happy to provide them with a full list - not because they had to, but because its a simple enough request to comply with. By doing the work themselves they ended up with less useful data that's, quite possibly, illegal to use.

    Sigh...

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    1. Re:Process by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Had they just requested sample prints, many (most?) shoe companies would probably have been happy to provide them with a full list - not because they had to, but because its a simple enough request to comply with. By doing the work themselves they ended up with less useful data that's, quite possibly, illegal to use.

      Sigh...

      Well, I'm not a lawyer (certainly not a Swedish lawyer) but it seems likely that if the cops used a database that was illegally garnered, they might find any cases using that information compromised in some way. Not very smart on their part, any way you look at this.

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  3. Witty title by chemicaldave · · Score: 3, Funny

    kudos to you

    1. Re:Witty title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

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  4. Re:Compilation of facts are protected by cptdondo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you missed the point. The tread isn't the issue; the pictures are copyrighted by someone. You can't go on-line, scarf a whole bunch of pictures off the web, and then use them to conduct your business.

    I can't do that with images, music, or anything else, and neither can any other agency. Otherwise, I could just download all the music in the world, and claim that I am building a database for future use in identifying stolen music.

    Doesn't work that way.

  5. Re:Slender, not broad by treeves · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, it's gotta be a pretty small data set. I mean, how many different kinds of Swedish Police shoes can there be?

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  6. Re:Compilation of facts are protected by DurendalMac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I missed the part where police forensics are a business. Furthermore, these images aren't being tossed on their website. They're being used in an internal database. It's idiotic for people to whine about this. They're not claiming copyright or publicly using it to make money on their website. It's an internal database used solely (pun intended) for matching footprints to shoe types. I think that Swedish copyright law needs some serious work if that is somehow an issue.

  7. Re:Compilation of facts are protected by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

    As far as I can tell from the article no shoe company has complained. It appears that some professor has merely speculated that the database may infringe copyrights.

    I agree with the suggestion that they would get better quality data by working with the manufacturers, though.

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  8. Re:Compilation of facts are protected by Artraze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet, if I download songs for my personal, decidedly private and not business use, I'm subject to damages of hundreds of dollars for each instance.

    The point isn't that this is _bad_, but if they're going to go around busting down doors because people are sharing copyrighted works for personal use, they shouldn't be violating copyright for their institutional use and pretending it's OK.