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Apple's Developer Tools Turnaround 'Great News' For Adobe

Posted by Soulskill on from the line-must-be-drawn-he-ah dept.

cgriffin21 writes "Apple is being praised for loosening of some of the restrictions in its Application Developer Program license agreement that open the door for app developers to work in Flash for the Apple iPhone, iPad and other devices. And no one is happier about the change than Flash-maker Adobe itself. They wrote, 'This is great news for developers and we're hearing from our developer community that Packager apps are already being approved for the App Store. We do want to point out that Apple's restriction on Flash content running in the browser on iOS devices remains in place.'" Apple also received praise from Google over their reversal, which may have been prompted by an FTC probe. Reader Stoubalou adds that Apple shed more light on the app review process by publishing a list of guidelines (PDF) the violation of which may get an app rejected from the App Store.

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  1. Praise? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't that like praising a fundamentalist preacher for stopping his book burning?

    1. Re:Praise? by imthesponge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course that's not true about the book burning.

    2. Re:Praise? by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Both involve an element of ridiculous, almost comical hypocrisy.

      In one case where the some people who view burning a book as an outrage view anti-semitism and restricting churches from being built is socially acceptable, and in the other case where Cocoa developers are forced for 10 years to learn .NET, Java, PHP to make a living in the enterprise and then enterprise .NET/Java/PHP developers scream bloody murder when they're forced to learn Objective-C to write iPhone apps.

  2. Eerie by danmart1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is eerily similar to Microsoft being praised for Windows 7 after pushing Vista. Sure the situation is completely different, but praising a company for finally listening to consumers is the wrong way to go about it.

    1. Re:Eerie by BlueStraggler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's eerie is that Apple does this with every single thing they have ever launched since time immemorial, and slashgeeks still love to think that Apple is evil, prone to making huge gaffes, and then quietly making good once they realize their colossal blunder. The "no wireless, less space than a nomad, lame" mindset is so effing retarded it's now an Internet meme, and we *still* don't get that the joke is on us. Not Taco. Us.

      This is what Apple does: (1) strip every half-baked feature/freedom out of a new product until it is boiled down to its most basic essence. (2) Release it. (3) Start adding the features/freedoms back in one at a time once they are fully baked. (4) Profit! (Notice the lack of a ...? step.) They do this. Every. Single. Time. iPod storage. iTunes on Windows. Virtually everything in OS X. Webkit. Macbooks and minis. iTunes DRM. iPhone cut and paste. iPhone devkits. iOS multitasking. Every single time the geekosphere gnashes its teeth and bemoans that Apple is pushing bullshit that is missing X, Y, and Z. And then Apple does X, Y, and Z, and the geekosphere congratulates itself for doing Apple's product development for them.

      If we believed our own propaganda (and it is apparent that many of us do), Apple is the world's most incompetent company that barely survives thanks to nerd rage steering them back on track on a more or less continuous basis. But Occam's Razor suggests that a more likely explanation is merely that Apple polishes the consumer experience first, and the nerd experience second. I guess that angers us.

  3. The Rejection List... Long. by Petersko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After reading the pdf "App Store Review Guidelines" I'm of two minds.

    First, damn that's a long list of rejection reasons.

    Second, the subset of that list that is neither reasonable nor obvious is very short. There are only a couple that I would say are stupid, and they revolve around censorship (i.e. adult themes).

    In the end, would I try to write an app that violated any of those rules? Probably not. One could argue that I might want to... and that's true. But if I want to do that, there's an Android market just over thataway. It's a walled garden, but there's a door right there.

  4. Coincidental? by Revotron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just recently got full and official Flash support on my Motorola Droid with Android 2.2. It seems oddly coincidental to me that as soon as Android has solid Flash support, Apple decides it's time to open the floodgates and be best buddies with Adobe.

    What the fuck? Sure, it's natural that Apple would do that because they want to stay competitive with the Android segment of the market, but Apple was supposed to be the leader and "innovator", not the follower.

    1. Re:Coincidental? by _xeno_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure this is coincidental. I'm fairly sure that Apple still wants Adobe to, well, fuck off, but that they hit too many apps as collateral damage with their policies that were designed to prevent Flash-based apps from being ported to the iPhone.

      So they've relaxed the rules a bit, which happens to allow auto-ported Flash apps. But Flash still isn't supported in Mobile Safari and there's no sign that this will change.

      Plus, this means that they've reopened the door for auto-ported apps from Android, so maybe this is a shot at Android, but not in the way you think.

      Bottom line is that the flood gates are still firmly closed, they've just opened a sluice gate which allows some Flash to trickle through.

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    2. Re:Coincidental? by Kilrah_il · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just recently got my ingrown toenail taken care of. It seems oddly coincidental to me that as soon as my ingrown nail is fixed, Apple decides it's time to open the floodgates and be best buddies with me. I guess they know that now that I don't have to worry about my aching toe, I am ready to hound them to death if they don't open up the floodgates. Ha ha! Cowards...

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  5. How about the entry fee? by Sabalon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess you still have to pay $99/yr for appstore developer ability, or $299/yr for corporate development.

    But what about people that just want to do the coding for themselves or fun? I don't want to distribute my app. Why can't I register one device that I can load my code onto for free without paying either of these?

    I have a Mac, iPhone and XCode. Why can't I compile my code and move it onto my device without paying (or jailbreaking).

    Seems that would be a nice way to get some more developers in.

    1. Re:How about the entry fee? by TrancePhreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple doesn't allow that because then you could distribute your code to everyone and get around the app store.

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    2. Re:How about the entry fee? by Late+Adopter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because then Apple can't keep malware off the iPhone. A $99 payment is a pretty good barrier to stop people from following instructions on the internet to get a Bonzai Buddy app, etc, to work. Unfortunately that stops the good code with the bad, but $99 is cheap enough for most developers but the most part-time hobbyists, like yourself.

    3. Re:How about the entry fee? by vijayiyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seriously, $99 isn't much money. Even if you value your time at minimum wage, the amount of money it will take you to actually write software that does something for you will rapidly exceed $99. And, as you said yourself, they're giving you XCode for free without strings attached.
      In any profession, tools that generate revenue cost money. In the world of software, it happens to be incredibly cheap. If you were a mechanic, a single ratchet would cost $99.

  6. Publicity 101 by Brannoncyll · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Publicity 101 for leveraging a strong market position:

    1) Impose unnecessary and draconian restrictions
    2) Lots of anger in community; blog postings / news articles result (read: publicity)
    3) Remove unnecessary and draconian restrictions
    4) Lots of praise in community; blog postings / news articles result (read: more publicity)
    5) ....
    6) Profits!

  7. ick by jecowa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't want flash-based apps on my iOS device. They are slower and use more batteries than non-flash-based equivalent apps.

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  8. Re:Good news, everybody! by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It will only last until people stop thinking that lack of Flash support is an effective talking point for criticizing Apple. Then everyone will go back to hating Flash.

  9. Pragmatism. by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's possible to both hate Flash and realize that a lot of things you want still require it.

    (And, possibly, that there isn't a better alternative technology in some cases. I said some cases, HTML5-is-the-answer-to-all-things-video partisans.)

  10. Re:Nothing bad about this by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Choice is good, not bad.

    If I needed Flash I wouldn't have bought an iPhone. Choice made.

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  11. Re:Adobe's PR worked by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Flash is a hammer that frequently gets used to nail in screws. But sometimes you actually need a hammer.

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  12. I'm not a choice fundamentalist by rsborg · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I believe, as research has shown, that too much choice can actually be a bad thing. In terms of things like software platforms, too much choice can not only be bad, but destructive to progress (i.e., think of competing packaging tools on various linux distros or maybe virus protection software on windows). The lack of a single or small set of clear choices prevents network effects from taking place, and introduces disarray that can be exploited by the malicious or incompetent.

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  13. Re:Good news, everybody! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please do not conflate the question of Flash sucking hard, and the question of freedom of choice. One can hate Flash with a passion, but still believe that one should have the choice to enjoy that suckiness in full.

  14. Re:Nothing bad about this by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple must feel secure enough in it's ecosystem or have felt enough pressure from regulators to make the change

    Why are those the only two options? Couldn't the threat from competitors have been an issue? Android is gaining ground rapidly, and the greater freedom developers face on that platform combined with its rapidly expanding reach makes developing apps for Android more and more attractive a choice of where to put resources compared to iOS development.

  15. Re:Good news, everybody! by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I still don't get why you need to have every possible choice available to you. You already have a choice here - don't buy iOS devices. Apparently nerds need to bitch until their every unrealistic whim is satisfied?

  16. Re:Good news, everybody! by WNight · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nope. I've always hated Flash, both because of its instability and its co-opting of standards.

    But I still didn't want Apple to just ban it outright. I want to market to out-compete it. If Flash drains the battery, add battery-consumption tests to app approval and don't let in anything that does, Flash or not.