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Australian Politician Caught Viewing Porn

destinyland writes "An Australian Parliament member has resigned after admitting he'd used government computers to access porn and gambling sites. McLeay 'gave an uncomfortable press conference outside Parliament House,' notes one technology site, 'during which he admitted he had acted in a standard not expected of cabinet ministers.' Paul McLeay was also the Minister for Mineral and Forest Resources as well as the Minister for Ports and Waterways. In resigning, he apologized to his constituents and parliamentary colleagues, as well as to his wife and family."

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  1. What I care about by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't care if a politician was caught watching internet porn. A lot of people (if not most) do it and politicians are no exception.

    I do care if a politician was caught paying for internet porn. That tells me a lot about whether he's able to spend money wisely.

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    1. Re:What I care about by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, we know the CEOs, CIOs, and CFOs have admitted to it. Yes, it is a misuse of taxpayer funded systems but I don't think it is really that bad. It would be worse if said politican were railing against pornography all the while engaging in it. Nothing pisses me off more than a hypocritical politican so I guess I hate most, if not all politicans.

    2. Re:What I care about by AnonymousClown · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I don't care if a politician was caught watching internet porn. A lot of people (if not most) do it and politicians are no exception.

      I do care if a politician was caught paying for internet porn. That tells me a lot about whether he's able to spend money wisely.

      There you go!

      And they should just fess up to it - regardless of what they say in public, they're all hypocrites and they all look at porn, or are really gay, like to gamble and are cheating on their wives. AND the more "pro family values" they are, the more likely they are closet perverts. Really anti-gay? Pffft! They're getting blowjobs in a bathroom somewhere while looking all hetero-sexual and whatnot in public.

      Family values == closet pervert.

      There are no exceptions.

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    3. Re:What I care about by Xacid · · Score: 1

      Could have been worse. Could have pulled a Mark Sanford.

    4. Re:What I care about by xtracto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I do not care if a politican is caught watching porn, or if he buys porn.

      I DO care if a politician watches porn DURING HIS WORK TIME or using his workplace resources. Mainly because he is wasting our hard earned tax money of which they get a helluva lot.

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    5. Re:What I care about by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I can't figure is: what's so hard about "don't watch porn on work computers"? No is saying "don't watch porn", just don't use company/government resources to do it. It's not a hard concept. It's not a foreign concept. Hell most of us carry around portable, largely untraceable Internet devices in our pockets these days. If you GOTTA have a fix, get some head phones and use that.

      Personally I've never seen the draw of porn at a time when I can't really conveniently... eh.. use it. So to speak.

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    6. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do care if a politician was caught paying for internet porn. That tells me a lot about whether he's able to spend money wisely.

      So, by your logic, if he was making porn, that makes him a better politician?
      I mean, c'mon, you don't care if he chooses to watch porn, but it makes a BIG difference if he spends his income on it?
      Maybe he could make some hypocrite porn for you.

    7. Re:What I care about by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Considering the copious numbers of websites that stream it for free (redtube, youporn, etc.), paying for it at this point is literally being fiscally irresponsible.

      I believe the GPs point was more about fiscal responsibility, rather than the act itself.

    8. Re:What I care about by c++0xFF · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I care if he watches porn if he then votes for internet pornography filters. I can't stand hypocrites.

      Note that I don't know if this is the case, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.

    9. Re:What I care about by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      I know, really? I thought that's why we all had smart phones now.

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    10. Re:What I care about by bjourne · · Score: 1

      It's quite possible that he can't watch it at home so he has to use the governments computer to get his "porn fixes."

    11. Re:What I care about by Kilrah_il · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If he was caught updating his personal Facebook account during work, would you be upset? And if he checked his personal mail? Or maybe just browsed a shopping site for half an hour, looking for a new oven (because his wife was pestering about her wanting a new one)?
      Actually, for people who are not paid by the hour, this is less of an issue. If I pay you X$ (AU$) an hour to do a job, I want you to be working during that hour. If I pay you Y$ a month/year to do a job, I don't care how long you are in the office. Do whatever you want, just get the job done.
      If you don't have a problem with the above scenarios, but you have a problem with him watching porn in his office, then we have a different discussion. I myself think porn is perfectly OK, and if no one is around while you do it, I don't care (If other people are around, they might be offended because of their personal beliefs, so I wouldn't open a porn flick near them). Of course, this is my opinion, and everyone is free to have his own opinion... although I am sure that I am correct and you are not! :)

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    12. Re:What I care about by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      Well apparently he can't watch it at work either... Who'd have thought?

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    13. Re:What I care about by ljgshkg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. I don't care if he's watching internet porn or not during any time. I only care if he's doing his job well. A politician spending all of his time working for his own benefit (or for his next election? hence doing "his job", or so it seems) might well be doing a worse and less useful job than a politician watching a bit of porn using tax payer funded systems.

    14. Re:What I care about by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

      I spent thousands of dollars on my guitars, effects and amp (VOX AC30, gotta love it). Does this make me fiscally irresponsible? Everyone has things he likes to spend money on, we usually call them "hobbies" (and they sometimes entail leaving the basement ). I also buy CDs, although I can download them for free. Does this make me fiscally irresponsible? Maybe I just like the feel of a real CD with the packaging and all? I found out over the years that music that I download I appreciate less than music I bought. No big "save the starving artist" morals, just me listening and appreciating the music more. Maybe he prefers to pay for his porn? Maybe because that's his hobby, maybe because he wants to support the fine actors and actresses or maybe just because he has the money and would like to spend it this way. It's his goddamn money and he can do whatever he wants with it.
      It reminds me when people were talking about the cost of Schwarzenegger's cigars. What the fuck do people care? He made his money fair and square and he can do with it whatever he wants.
      Stopping looking for bullshit reasons to throw politicians from office and focus on real reasons.

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    15. Re:What I care about by operagost · · Score: 1

      So anyone who says he's against rape is a rapist?

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    16. Re:What I care about by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Chill out, take a hit.

      I was simply repeating what the GP said for the AC...it wasn't meant to be presented as my own opinion.

    17. Re:What I care about by Americano · · Score: 1

      Uh-oh! Somebody's taking a joke WAAAAY to seriously on the internet!

    18. Re:What I care about by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Actually the workplace is a neutral environment where men and women with varying moral attitudes have to work together and so you shouldn't browse porn at work even on your own devices. Public places have a different standard of behavior because they have to be used by all of us. So by all means browse whatever you like at home but don't do it at work, in the local library, at Starbucks, etc...

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    19. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he is trying to cut off his own supply...

    20. Re:What I care about by darthdavid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anon.Clown was a little ham-handed is his phrasing, but to say it better, anyone who builds an entire career based on publicly decrying something which is seen as immoral by some but not all of their constituents has a pretty good chance of having skeletons of that nature in their closet. The phrase "Methinks the lady doth protest too much" springs to mind. It's a well known psychological phenomenon that people trying (incompetently) to hid embarrassing personal habits are often the loudest voices shrieking about how awful those habits are.

      That doesn't mean that every person who speaks out against something is guilty of it, it just means that you should look carefully at the people with nothing better to do than talk about how immoral someone else is, because they might just be trying to divert attention from their own indiscretions.

    21. Re:What I care about by Americano · · Score: 1

      If it's not part of his job description, and his job has policies in place that expressly forbid visiting a site (or category of sites) from work equipment, and I was paying his salary, then yes, I would be upset with him for doing so. Since we can tick off the "YES" column to all of these, I think it's reasonable that he's resigning. Same applies to personal mail, shopping, gambling, or anything else - if those conditions are true, then don't do it.

      If he wants to check Facebook on his phone, or a personal computer, rock on - it's not about 'during work hours,' it's about 'behaving in direct opposition to workplace Acceptable Use policies for computers & other systems.' Very simple rule of thumb: If it's against the rules your employer has set out as conditions of your continued employment, DON'T FUCKING DO IT.

    22. Re:What I care about by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Here's the tactic I woulda used:

      "I did not view porn."

      "It was just naked men and women"

      Maybe Australia should hook-up their new filtered internet to the government offices first? Hmmmm. I wonder why such a low-populated country keeps appearing in the news so often?

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    23. Re:What I care about by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

      Didn't mean to sound so serious. Just used your post a starting point for my thoughts on the manner.

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    24. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that the biggest deal here is that Australian politicians are actively trying to censor the internet, so seeing something like this is a bit hypocritical.

    25. Re:What I care about by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

      Of course, if there are specific rules against doing what he did, then there is no questions about him not doing this. I was talking more about the "moral" question, assuming there are no guidelines/rules.

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    26. Re:What I care about by sycodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because if you can't find free porn on the internet, you're an idiot and have no business running the government.

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    27. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That wouldn't make him a hypocrite. Maybe he wishes he wasn't able to view porn so easily...

    28. Re:What I care about by teh+kurisu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I do care if a politician was caught paying for internet porn. That tells me a lot about whether he's able to spend money wisely.

      What if he (or she) is caught trying to claim it on parliamentary expenses?

    29. Re:What I care about by darthdavid · · Score: 1

      I know the difference between those two words, unfortunately they're both valid words in my spell checker so it's rather easy for that sort of error to slip into a post if I only give it a cursory read-through before clicking submit.

      I really think though, that rather than being a spelling/grammar nazi discussing would be better served by examining the actual content of my post.

      Also, you're such an idiot. Your refers to possession. You're is a contraction of you are. Unless you're implying that I own 'such an idiot' you should have used the latter, not the former.

    30. Re:What I care about by demigod · · Score: 1

      Hell most of us carry around portable, largely untraceable Internet devices in our pockets these days.

      I don't know what your carrying around in you pocket, but I've never heard of a "largely untraceable Internet devices" before. Please tell me more.

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    31. Re:What I care about by frehe · · Score: 1

      Actually the workplace is a neutral environment where men and women with varying moral attitudes have to work together and so you shouldn't browse porn at work even on your own devices.

      Is it ok according to you to wear religious insignia, such as a cross formed necklace, to work?

    32. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what i find amazing - someone beneath idiocy actually gave you points for wasting slashdot discussion space on that one little misspelling instead of modding you into -1 worthless dumbass troll world where you belong. but i understand your point wasn't to call attention to the misspelling, but to the absolute failure that slashdot modding has become. In which case, you deserve the up score.

    33. Re:What I care about by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      The device is of course traceable, but from a practical perspective getting a hold of the information required to prove it was being used to look at porn in the work place is beyond the means of anyone other than law enforcement or a news reporter willing to break some laws. Sure AT&T knows what I do with my phone, but short of a warrant, they're not likely to tell anyone. Certainly they'd pretty much laugh if someone called and said "This is DrgnDancer's boss, can you please give me a detailed report of his online activities for the last week".

      Hence "largely" untraceable. It's not secure, but it's secure enough for most purposes.

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    34. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This... is a platform I could vote for.

    35. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your a closet misspeeler aren't you?

    36. Re:What I care about by ksandom · · Score: 1

      I imagine it's pretty similar to the trill of having sex in a public place. You're not supposed to be doing that there, and the risk is a turn on. For me, that risk isn't worth the consequences, but everyones' priorities are different.

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    37. Re:What I care about by slysithesuperspy · · Score: 1

      Someone who can't find free porn on the internet sounds sounds a bit overqualified for a government position.

    38. Re:What I care about by godel_56 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I care if he watches porn if he then votes for internet pornography filters. I can't stand hypocrites.

      Note that I don't know if this is the case, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.

      This guy is in the NSW state government, the Internet filter is a federal matter.

    39. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no such thing as a "untraceable" internet device, and if he was using his iPhone on a gov network he would still be breaking all kinds of rules as well regardless of how "untraceable" you think it would be, I am sure the IT staff knows every site that gets visited by every devices MAC address very easily.

    40. Re:What I care about by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      That's actually a hotly debated topic here, especially for supposedly neutral government workers. Where do you draw the line ? A burka or ceremonial daggers (as worn by Sikh) would by many considered to go to far, a cross or a yarmulke acceptable and a hijab somewhere in the grey area in the middle. Probably it should be decided by a continual societal dialogue among all involved. As I said a crucifix (of modest size) seems to be acceptable to most people so it's probably ok, barring exceptional circumstances.

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    41. Re:What I care about by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough I am at work at 08:49 AM legitimately reading /. but checking my home email from here is a sackable offense because IT believe that keeping windows viruses out of the network is a top priority.

    42. Re:What I care about by SomeJoel · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Your a closet misspeeler aren't you?

      Well, at least one person understood the joke.

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    43. Re:What I care about by SomeJoel · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Actually, I was making a subtle joke. You see, the phrase I quoted was referring to where you pointed out those with something to hide are most vocal in attacking others with the same problem. I intentionally swapped in "your" for "you're" because I was agreeing with your point. But, alas, the moderators (and you) apparently thought I was attacking you in earnest, when quite the opposite is true. I don't really care that you had a typo with "hide", clearly it wasn't a true misspelling, but I feigned overreaction to drive home your point. Think what you will, darth, but I guess sometimes my humor is lost on those that are not me.

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    44. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just let him pay for the time he's used? Used x hours of government computer's time for personal use...reimburse taxpayers x hours, case closed. Unless you're a puritan who thinks nobody should watch porn, and nobody should gamble, or someone who thinks zero personal use, even if compensated, is acceptable. I'd doubt that more than 5 percent of employees NEVER use company computers for personal use. (counting email and IM's, etc.)

    45. Re:What I care about by linzeal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who cares, unless it affects his work duties?

    46. Re:What I care about by frehe · · Score: 1

      Speaking of burqas, here's a rather interesting example of social welfare benefit fraud from Gothenburg, Sweden from a couple of years back:

      För ett år sedan startade SDN Lärjedalen en halvårslång utbildning för tio somaliska kvinnor med inriktning på hotell och hushållsnära tjänster. Åtta kvinnor fullföljde kursen, som i våras avslutades med en träff med en presumtiv arbetsgivare, en städfirma. Problemet var bara att tre av kvinnorna, som under utbildning varit helt normalt klädda, kom till avslutningen i heltäckande klädsel. Städbolaget konstaterade att de tre på grund av sin klädsel inte vara anställningsbara.
      Jörgen Larsson är enhetschef på socialkontoret i Hammarkullen.
      - Vi uppfattade att kvinnorna gjorde en klar markering, att de inte ville ha arbete, säger han. Självfallet ska man ha frihet att tro och klä sig hur man vill, men om man sätter upp ett hinder som gör att man inte är anställningsbar, har man då rätt till försörjningsstöd?

      http://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1.115816-goteborgs-somalier-ett-folk-i-kris

      My translation:

      A year ago SND Lärjedalen started a half year long course for ten Somali women with a concentration on hotel and housework related services. Eight women completed the course, which this spring was wound up with a meeting with a presumptive employeer, a cleaning company. The problem was only that three of the women, who during the course hade been completely normally dressed, came to the breaking-up dressed in completely covering clothing. The cleaning company stated that the three, due to their clothing, couldn't be employed.
      Jörgen Larson is the unit director at the social welfare office in Hammarkullen.
      -We understood it as the women made a clear statement, that they didn't want work, he says. Obviously you should be free to believe and dress how you want, but if you create a hindrance to employment, should you then be entitled to social welfare benefits?

    47. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right? Who cares if the president gets his dick sucked too? (clinton)

    48. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't understand i was in a that meeting for hours! cell phones are forbidden. All i had was my mini and the company wifi. Her suit was so tight she couldn't have conceal a toothpick.

      So logged into my personal porn account quickly made it over to the "Naughty Boss" area and watched. As her doppelganger sold copier paper as it was never sold before.

      Luckily minis are cheap. At the end of the presentation i spilled what was left of my coffee into it and rang the Greenest IT minion on the call sheet. After listening to him complain that about it being the 5th mini I've killed with coffee this year i simply said bill my department for 3 of them. 2 for me 1 for you, have my first one on my desk by Monday. I have long meeting next week i i might need to take a lot of notes.

    49. Re:What I care about by internettoughguy · · Score: 1

      He can always use his imagination, after all, that's how they did it back in the good ol' days. Even child pornography is legal there, for now anyway...

    50. Re:What I care about by internettoughguy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, or using their parliamentary credit card to purchase it. At least he didn't apologise for the porn, just for the misspending. One of the local body politicians got caught peeing on a bush, and since he didn't apologise for it, I'm considering voting for him purely on that basis :).

      What I hate is when they turn on the waterworks etc.., it just highlights that they are manipulative worms, but of course we already knew that.

    51. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got it too, and appreciated it immensely. Good work, sir.

      Posting AC because I want it to be clear I'm not trying to show off - I just want you to know that your humour is appreciated.

    52. Re:What I care about by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

      Actually it is a top priority, but they are going at it the wrong way. I always just love it when the IT do everything they can to keep you from using the Internet, for fear of viruses, but then they make you use IE 6 and they don't allow you to install other browsers. Stupid people!

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    53. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I care because he's a representative in a country that's trying to implement a censorship rule on the internet to block porn. Apparently this censorship does not apply to him.
      "Hypocrite" is the word that comes to mind.
      OTOH, he was probably only looking for that dentist whose site was blocked because it mentioned oral hygiene.

    54. Re:What I care about by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      Um... You realize you can turn off the WiFi, right? Use the cell network? The one run by the private company that doesn't really care where you go as long as you pay your bill every month? And likely won't turn over usage usage reports except to police with a warrant? Again "largely" untraceable. Someone does, of course, know where you go on the cellular IP network, but the resources required to get that information are far beyond the means of a normal employer, and even most government employers (unless they think you actually broke a law).

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    55. Re:What I care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The phrase "Methinks the lady doth protest too much" springs to mind.

      Except when Othello said it, the lady really was innocent.

    56. Re:What I care about by hey! · · Score: 1

      The phrase "Methinks the lady doth protest too much" springs to mind.

      Indeed it does. From Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 2:

      Player Queen: Both here and hence pursue me lasting strife, If once I be a widow, ever I be a wife! [i.e., "If I ever remarry after I am widowed, may I live a troubled life."] ...
      Hamlet (the the real queen): Madam, how like you this play?
      Queen Gertrude: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
      Hamlet: Oh, but she'll keep her word.

      "Protest" in Elizabethan English means "to declare solemnly," or "to vow". It's not entirely clear whether Gertrude means "The lady vows more than is wise to do," or "The lady vows so much she is not credible." Possibly both. Hamlet's rejoinder is ironic and threatening; he is saying Gertrude will lead a troubled life because of her crime.

      In any case, most people use this quote to insinuate that some person's credibility has been impeached by his protestations of innocence, but that really doesn't make much sense. What Shakespeare is saying here is that people who claim to be unrealistically virtuous are unreliable. So you (unlike most) got it exactly right. Kudos.

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  2. Glass Houses, People by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    glass houses.

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    1. Re:Glass Houses, People by mjwx · · Score: 1

      glass houses.

      Actually the Howard Government had ABC axe the Glass House in 2006.

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    2. Re:Glass Houses, People by deniable · · Score: 1

      And why isn't anyone here taking a shot at Fred Nile's role in all of this. Labor minister isn't as funny as anti-smut campaigner clergyman.

  3. Pornrights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A minister should enjoy the right to watch porn. I should found an advocacy group: Porn4All.

  4. What Else is New? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope he "relieved" himself before he resigned or else it was a pointless viewing "exercise"

  5. No, it can't be... by the_one_wesp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh no!!! A human being doing things that human beings do! I demand that government officials be MORE robot like, not less!

    1. Re:No, it can't be... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That would be a good point, except this guy is a member of the state branch of the same party that proposed the internet filter. Besides, using a work computer for looking at porn and gambling on company time would get you fired from any other job, so it's a matter of being held to the same standards as everyone else, and as a New South Wales resident and taxpayer I don't see why I should be subsidising his personal habits.

      There's another example of the same kind of hypocrisy from the same state parliament, this time a Christian right politician. 200,000 sites is research? Yeah, right. Resign you wanker!

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    2. Re:No, it can't be... by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      He's a gubment official, paid with your taxes. At that level, you also don't have actual working hours - you continue until the job's done. What time of day, and in what physical location he watches porn, changes nothing about the fact that your tax money is paying for it, nor can he 'steal time from his employer', as long as he does his job adequately.

      The fact that he's a member of the party proposing the filter is, of course, a rather juicy bit. In my local politics, though, "member of the party that suggests X" is not necessarily synonymous with "person who supports X".

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  6. Not for the reason you'd think... by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The reason why they're making such a fuss over his porn and gambling is that he had to bypass the Great Firewall of Australia to access them. When it comes to accessing sex and gambling on the internet, that's where Australia draws the line!!!

    1. Re:Not for the reason you'd think... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's the Great Firewall of China and the Great Barrier Router of Australia.

      Get your jokes right.

    2. Re:Not for the reason you'd think... by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 1

      I just got learned.

      *'The More You Know' shooting star crashes into Hindenberg*

    3. Re:Not for the reason you'd think... by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      The reason why they're making such a fuss over his porn and gambling is that he had to bypass the Great Firewall of Australia to access them.

      Why has everyone modded this as insightful rather than funny? The Internet filter was never rolled out in Australia, and after the results of the last election it is dead in the water.

    4. Re:Not for the reason you'd think... by Caerdwyn · · Score: 1

      The filter wasn't rolled out (i.e. preemptive enforcement). The laws regarding hosting and access, however, remain in place, and have been there for some time. Put naked pictures on a website, and they still can arrest you and label you a sex offender, whether the filtering firewall exists or not.

      Welcome to Australistan.

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    5. Re:Not for the reason you'd think... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The reason why they're making such a fuss over his porn and gambling is that he had to bypass the Great Firewall of Australia to access them.

      You mean the one in angry /.er's imaginations.

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    6. Re:Not for the reason you'd think... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The filter wasn't rolled out (i.e. preemptive enforcement). The laws regarding hosting and access, however, remain in place, and have been there for some time. Put naked pictures on a website, and they still can arrest you and label you a sex offender, whether the filtering firewall exists or not.

      Ummm... No they cant.

      Pornography is not illegal in Australia. Production of pornography is not illegal in Australia.

      Selling/giving pornography to minors is illegal (as it is in the US). Using a naked persons image without express connect is illegal.

      Please learn about Australian laws before commenting on them.

      Secondly, the filter was never implemented because it was voted down, twice. Also they faced a rebellion in the back bench over it so it's been shelved permanently.

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    7. Re:Not for the reason you'd think... by aiht · · Score: 1

      Wow... I've never come across the 'Great Barrier Router'. I like it.

    8. Re:Not for the reason you'd think... by deniable · · Score: 1

      Hey, not just them. Conroy still thinks it's a vote getter. I can't believe they're putting Turnbull up against him. That's like kicking a cripple.

    9. Re:Not for the reason you'd think... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Hey, not just them. Conroy still thinks it's a vote getter. I can't believe they're putting Turnbull up against him. That's like kicking a cripple.

      Conroy is just giving lip service his masters, he knows a filter will never get past the Greens.

      The NBN was a big part of the election, it's obvious a lot of people want it. I think the Libs are setting Turnbull up to fail as he could be a serious threat to Abbott and the faction leaders who put Abbott in power.

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  7. What Percentage Of Internet Users View Porn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's basically the same as masturbation, guys. Yes, we all do it, but that doesn't mean that you can do it at work. Especially if you work at McDonalds. Please.

    1. Re:What Percentage Of Internet Users View Porn? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      And for gawd's sake please, please no "special sauce" jokes!

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    2. Re:What Percentage Of Internet Users View Porn? by domatic · · Score: 1

      Fine. The 'special sauce' is just thousand island dressing away. But such an incident would give me severe doubts about the mayo.

    3. Re:What Percentage Of Internet Users View Porn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If you can get/watch porn on a McDonald's cash register *while* performing your duties as a checker, you deserve a medal and a job programming at google.

    4. Re:What Percentage Of Internet Users View Porn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      french fry plus mcnuggets equals fuggets

    5. Re:What Percentage Of Internet Users View Porn? by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we'll all listen to you, and in a month you'll be whining that the special Big Mac sauce used to taste much better.

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  8. Baaaaa by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Apparently some of it involved sheep. When questioned as to whether they were rams or ewes, he replied, "Ewes, yer flamin' drongo! What do you think I am, a bloomin' pervert?".

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    1. Re:Baaaaa by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      "And why are ye all laughin'?"

      "All those ewes to choose from, and ye picked the ugliest one in the flock!"

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  9. What's the matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Porn is awesome.

    1. Re:What's the matter? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      You tell us, why are you posting as AC?

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    2. Re:What's the matter? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Because anonymity is awesome too!

      Besides, he said porn is awesome, not that the public declaration of your love of porn is awesome.

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  10. A antipodean Peter Griffin? by Goffee71 · · Score: 1

    What did you think was going to happen...

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  11. Trust /. to miss the point entirely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's not about the fact that he was looking at porn; it's that he was doing it using government funds and on government time. If he'd been doing it on his own time with his own computer and internet connection... well, he'd probably still be in the shit with family values groups, but he wouldn't have had to resign for it.

    1. Re:Trust /. to miss the point entirely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well, power corrupts. Politicians think they are above the law.

      Now if only someone would come up with a way to get rid of them.

    2. Re:Trust /. to miss the point entirely by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Well, it was both of those things wasn't it?

    3. Re:Trust /. to miss the point entirely by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      t's that he was doing it using government funds and on government time

      No, it's the porn. People do personal stuff at work all the time - call their doctors' office, make a photocopy, answer personal e-mail. In fact, I'm sure other Australian government workers do those things all the time, and nobody really cares.

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    4. Re:Trust /. to miss the point entirely by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      See my other post.

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  12. Just a simple mixup ... by daremonai · · Score: 2, Funny

    The guy is from New South Wales, and was trawling the Internet, looking for NSW-related information. Somehow, an 'F' slipped into his search string.

    1. Re:Just a simple mixup ... by halber_mensch · · Score: 1

      Or he might have been research men's facail hair fashion and misspelled 'goatees'

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    2. Re:Just a simple mixup ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      excuse me, I've got to go check to see if a couple of domains are available, brb...

  13. The internet is for porn-Jon Gnarr Mayor Reykjavi by youroldbuddy · · Score: 2, Informative

    When asked about what he used the internet for recently, the mayor of Reykjavik (Iceland) Jon Gnarr said he mostly used it for porn. Two feminazis got mad but no one noticed. http://whatson.is/icelandreview/daily_news/?cat_id=16567&ew_0_a_id=367354 Different standards.

  14. Re:Obama by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If this was about Obama, you'd probably be one of the loudest voices criticizing him.

    How do I know? Because this article isn't about Obama, but you managed to bring him up anyway.

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  15. Not his fault! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Paul McLeay was also the Minister for Mineral and Forest Resources as well as the Minister for Ports and Waterways.

    He's minister of all those things... the guy's surely got a professional reason for googling the following phrases:
    "rock hard"
    "water sports"
    and
    "sporting wood"

    Come on people, he probably clicked the links because he thought they were studies related to his ministership!

    1. Re:Not his fault! by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Paul McLeay was also the Minister for Mineral and Forest Resources as well as the Minister for Ports and Waterways.

      I, sadly, read that line of the summary as "Master of Porn and Waterways".

  16. When will someone be fired for reading slashdot? by rmcd · · Score: 1

    Being fired for porn is not news, even for nerds. Being fired for reading Slashdot at work -- now *that* would be news! (And it would set the community quaking in its boots...)

  17. Using my HTC Expresso and Skyfire browser by t0qer · · Score: 1

    I can *FAP* *FAP* *FAP* anywhere, anytime*FAP* *FAP* *FAP* even while driving*FAP* *FAP* *FAP*

    Skyfire lets me *FAP* *FAP* *FAP* flash video sites like redtube *FAP* *FAP* *FAP* (I love the asian section)

    It's this politicians own damn *FAP* *FAP* *FAP* fault for not having the *FAP* *FAP* *FAP* forsight to get *FAP* *FAP* *FAP* a data phone *FAP* *FAP* *FAP* and *FAP* *FAP* *FAP* plan *FAP* *FAP* *FAP**FAP* *FAP* *FAP**FAP* *FAP* *FAP**FAP* *FAP* *FAP**FAP* *FAP* *FAP**FAP* *FAP* *FAP**FAP* *FAP* *FAP**FAP* *FAP* *FAP*

    1. Re:Using my HTC Expresso and Skyfire browser by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Your webcam's on. HTH. Ew.

    2. Re:Using my HTC Expresso and Skyfire browser by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Wow! Your mastery of one-handed typing on a touchscreen is impressive I can't type that well on my G1 even using both hands!!

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    3. Re:Using my HTC Expresso and Skyfire browser by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      If there is an award for "Best Word Describing The Sounds Made By A Male Onanist", you're "FAP" wins it hands down... allegedly.

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  18. To His Wife? by Myopic · · Score: 1

    He apologized to his wife for looking at porn? Whoa. That is an obviously dysfunctional marital sexual relationship. For his sake, I hope it was the whole situation he was apologizing for, not the porn specifically.

    1. Re:To His Wife? by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      It's more likely he apologized to his wife for losing (or should I say 'loosing' - it is Slashdot after all) his cushy high paid job, getting paparazzi following him and his family, becoming infamous as the 'porn politico'... basically ruining their perfect country club lives because he couldn't wait until he got home to look at boobs.

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    2. Re:To His Wife? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      If I was goofing around looking at porn at work, to the point I got caught and lost my job. You bet I would owe my wife an apology.

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    3. Re:To His Wife? by frehe · · Score: 1

      basically ruining their perfect country club lives because he couldn't wait until he got home to look at boobs.

      I assumed the reason he watched porn in the first place, was that he didn't get enough boobs, and other similar things, at home.

    4. Re:To His Wife? by frehe · · Score: 1

      If I was goofing around looking at porn at work, to the point I got caught and lost my job. You bet I would owe my wife an apology.

      Wouldn't it be more appropriate for your wife to owe YOU an apology in that case? I mean, why would you need to look at porn, if she really provided for your needs in that area?

    5. Re:To His Wife? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Maybe she would need to apologize if I were caught at home (I actually don't really think that's the case), but doing such at work is a different story.

      And losing your job out of lack of self-control is a bad thing. Even worse if it destroys an entire career.

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    6. Re:To His Wife? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Right exactly! That's what I mean about "the whole situation", not the porn specifically. Golly I hope that's the case.

  19. What a horrible, horrible man! by multipartmixed · · Score: 3, Funny

    Man, that's disgusting.

    He's so gross, he probably sticks his penis in his wife's vagina!

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    1. Re:What a horrible, horrible man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in the missionary position!

  20. Philosopher Masturbater? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    Fourth Bruce: Rule Four, now this term, I don't want to catch anybody not drinking. Rule Five ...

    Fourth Bruce: Rule Four, now this term, I don't want to catch anybody not masturbating. Rule Five ...

    Fixed that there for you, Bruce . . .

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  21. Typical soccer mom's thoughts by mischi_amnesiac · · Score: 1

    Oh no! He watched porn!

    Over here (germany) she would have said: Oh no! He ist just like my son!

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  22. Re:When will someone be fired for reading slashdot by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    And it would set the community quaking in its boots...

    Only the knuckleheads who can't figure out how to install elinks.

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  23. What no intern available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Were the public restrooms locked for glory hole repair?

  24. Re:The internet is for porn-Jon Gnarr Mayor Reykja by misexistentialist · · Score: 0, Troll

    Probably more accepted because most non-porn sexual activity involves incest in Iceland.

  25. this crap again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, we get it, you're quite the clever fellow because you can find free porn on the internet. Why does that mean that nobody else should pay for it? There is a wide variety of porn out there, and if a person finds something in particular that entertains them why shouldn't they support the creators? It's not like pornographers are the MPAA/RIAA or something.

  26. Dump these Articles by Asmodaie · · Score: 1

    I could care less about who watches what where at what moment with whom. This is just gossip. Doesn't it say, 'news for nerds - stuff that matters' in the headline? I can pick up a tabloid anywhere, thank you very much.

  27. Ok, Ok, someone had to say it... by AustinSlacker · · Score: 1

    So he was also the Minister Of Wood? Makes sense that he might need to look at pr0n while "on the job"...ijs (forgive me if this was already thrown out there)

  28. Re:Obama by SnarfQuest · · Score: 0

    The first rule of the Obama fan club is to never talk about the Obama fan club.

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  29. "ports" and "waterways" by captain_dope_pants · · Score: 1

    Heh, eheh, heh or was it butthead :-?

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  30. Just the same... by Caerdwyn · · Score: 1

    Why do Aussie government "officials" have to subscribe to some kind of puritanical standard not applicable to ordinary citizens to get on the Internet?

    Oh, wait. Australia. Never mind...

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    1. Re:Just the same... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Why do Aussie government "officials" have to subscribe to some kind of puritanical standard not applicable to ordinary citizens to get on the Internet?

      I dont know why you think this is puritanical, I work in the private sector in Australia and I'm fairly certain if I look up porn at work I'll get sacked.

      Because this guy is Public Sector, he just has to apologise and all will be forgiven.

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  31. Small fry by 200_success · · Score: 1

    I can't wait until Senator Conroy gets caught for watching porn.

  32. "porn site" survey inaccurate and unauthorized by dthomas2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    while it would appear the minister may have had some guilty consience,
    and there wa irony that Christian MP Fred Nile was "involved"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Nile

    * the audit was unauthorised
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/woman-behind-nsw-parliamentary-porn-inquiry-quits-20100906-14y1i.html
    * the audit did not properly identify "porn sites"
    "instances of inappropriate access were registered by the audit if parliamentary staff accessed sites that contained links or advertisements to pornographic or gambling material."
    http://www.zdnet.com.au/reports-of-nsw-mp-internet-misuse-flawed-339305748.htm
    the "porn sites" with by far the biggest number of hits were local newspaper ones, apparently because they included on-line dating ads
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/09/03/nsw-parliament’s-flawed-prn-hunt/

  33. just doing his job by hAckz0r · · Score: 1

    He obviously was just testing those great Internet filters that got voted down in the EU recently. No wonder they didn't implement it, if even a politician could find a gaping hole in it then the filter was apparently not quite ready for the masses. Now if the AU national Internet filter was installed and actually worked like it was advertised then he would have never been successful, in his test of it, thus never caught and accused of surfing for porn. Somebody has to make sure it works, right?

  34. Get over it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Porn is good for you.
    The problem is the government officials who take money and all the other stuff they do.
    A little titty isn't going to ruin them.
    Heck, it might keep them occupied so they don't make trouble for citizens.

  35. Re:The internet is for porn-Jon Gnarr Mayor Reykja by edremy · · Score: 1
    I had to look this guy up, and found out that his platform involves "Free towels in all Swimming Pools, A polar Bear for the Reykjavík Zoo, All Kinds (of things) for Weaklings, Disneyland in the Vatnsmýri area, A drug-free parliament by 2020, Sustainable Transparency, Tollbooths on the border with Seltjarnarnes, to do away with all debt, Free Access to Hljómskálagarðurinn"

    Best. Mayor. Ever, even if I don't understand half the words

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  36. State, not Federal politician by Willbur · · Score: 1

    A few things:

        - This guy was a state, not a federal, politician. This is important for two reasons: i) it is the federal govt that is looking to introduce the filter, not the state govt, and ii) The federal govt is 1 by-election away from a change in majority, so that would be much more tricky. iii) The state govt is so dysfunctional that noone really cares any more - they're going to lose the next election and this guy might well be happy to go now before the rush.

        - This story is a little old. Although only a couple of weeks old, so for Slashdot maybe that is ok.

        - There were a number of people 'caught' by the audit, including staffers for one of the more religious parties (no surprise there). But after that it came out that the audit itself may have had some problems...

  37. Or in the Doctor's office by digit1001 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...A man goes to see his Dr. and the Dr. says, "sir you're going to have to stop masturbating". The man says, "Why" and the doctor says, "Because I'm trying to examine you"

  38. Re:When will someone be fired for reading slashdot by gagol · · Score: 1

    Most of my employers was more than happy to let me use computers for slashdot and news site, because when they need some advice on a subject, I can answer most of questions and back it with my research.

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  39. Re:Obama by Cwix · · Score: 1

    You never answered wtf this had to do with Obama.

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  40. Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This happened over two weeks ago...why is is on /. now?

    Also, from other news stories it was found that other staffers, and even more senior politicos, had "accessed porn" at work.

    That "porn" actually turned to out to be dating advertisements on completely SFW websites - and the reason it was classed as porn was due to incorrectly setup filtering/proxy software.

    These are the people (government people) that some want to be responsible for a nationwide Internet filter.

  41. in this topic: politician admits to being a man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seriously, it's stuff like this that makes people feel so disillusioned about politicians.

    No I don't mean the fact that a politician is viewing pornography. I mean the fact that it is somehow viewed as a scandal.

    Why has he resigned? No doubt because he was being blackmailed - threatened with exposure anyway.

    So, we really need to ask ourselves - what is worse -
      a. someone extorting this guy, blackmailing him or threatening to expose his actions, presumably for their own gain,
      b. a male of the species looking at some pictures of a female of the species and getting his rocks off so that he could go back to work with full concentration.

    This kind of stuff happens all the time and no-one questions it.

    Recently in australia there was a scandal on TV where it was revealed that many employees at the some government department that manages deceased estates etc ( 'office of trustees' or something like that) had consistently been emailing around funny pictures and soft porn pics (topless chicks with motorbikes etc) to each other over a course of 6 months.

    A big deal was made about this on tv, but NOTHING WAS SAID about the 55 year old RETARD who had discovered these emails by HACKING into his friends email account.

    Again - what is a worse crime?
        - a. some guys emailing like-minded guys some soft porn during lunch time etc
        - b. some old retard thinking it is OK to hack other peoples email accounts and then shame and humiliate 40 employees of different organisations on television based on those emails

  42. Hey! He's my rep by ignavus · · Score: 1

    That guy is my local member .... er, maybe that is not the best word to use on this topic.

    Someone at the state parliament did an [i]unauthorised[/i] investigation into what the politicians were doing on the parliamentary network, etc. Personally, I am more concerned about this kind of spying than about what the member of parliament was looking at. Great way to manipulate the political process. Could someone snoop and then blackmail parliamentarians? At the very least, a disgruntled employee could leak information about embarrassing private activities ... but only those pertaining to one side of the political spectrum. Wouldn't be the first time (Australians will remember the name Grech).

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  43. no small boobies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    his mistake was not in viewing boobies, but in viewing small boobies.

    Small boobies are soon to be banned in australia.

    In their next term, the government is planning on stopping women with a-cups from looking in the mirror while naked.

  44. Labor government's Ports and Waterways minister... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...was using porn at work. I guess that fits the job description.

  45. Clarification. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of all, this article makes it sound like he was a minister in the Australian federal government. He was only a minister for the New South Wales state government. A state government that has seen more scandals recently than I've had hot meals.

    Secondly, he did not resign from the parliament; only from cabinet. He just shifts to the back bench.

    Thirdly, this happened weeks ago.

  46. Poor auditing by aiht · · Score: 1

    The first I heard of this story was this:
    News.com.au classed as 'adult website' in audit of politicians' internet use.

    From this article:

    • "the audit had incorrectly classified news sites as adult because they contained links to or advertisements for adult dating sites."
    • "Because there are adult matchmaking links or ads on their site, every time someone accesses news.com.au and they go from one article to another, that's counted as an individual hit on an adult site."

    The fact that he confessed and resigned suggests that he was looking at more than just news sites, but that doesn't look like a well-run audit.

  47. Porn Schmorn by dogzdik · · Score: 0
    Wanking over porn?

    .

    So who doesn't / hasn't?

    .

    I stopped checking out people "being people" online because it got tedious and unfulfilling.

    .

    And it doesn't reflect the kinds of relationships that I want to be having.

    .

    Other than that....

    .

    At least I didn't get down on my hands and knees and say, "Come into me Jesus".

    .

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  48. Factually incorrect - please fix by Niobe · · Score: 1

    This guy was NOT an Australian parliament member, he was a state politician. There's a big difference. It's like saying Arnold Schwarzenegger is a member of Congress.

  49. So what? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    No really, so what? It's not like politicians do any real work anyway. Frankly at least this guy is doing something with his time, unlike Peter Slipper who fell asleep during question time in parliament.

    What about that guy recently who was buying things on ebay during a session, forgot his name, but it's the same guy who racked up $600000 in taxpayer funded expenses on interstate and overseas "work" trips.

    I have been to federal parliament during a reading of what was to become legislation, the room was frigging empty. The tour guide assured us that the politicians were paying attention to this as it was broadcast to their offices. ... Sure.. I mean this guy here isn't even a Federal politician, he's just a lowly state member. Who could blame him for getting bored and viewing some porn. I'm surprised he wasn't having a wank.

    1. Re:So what? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Frankly at least this guy is doing something with his time Yes, but as a tax payer, I would resent having to pay for the treatment for his Repetitive Stress Injuries!

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  50. So what???? by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    On his off hours, using his phone or laptop, went to some porn site, and this is a real good reason to get rid of him?????
    Yet you will keep someone on even though they have mismanaged billions of dollars, and went way over budget on mystery deals...
    I have to stop reading these stories, I might have to check myself into a psych ward, as it is driving me crazy!

    Politics today are so messed up I wonder what if we will even have a future