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Turning Your Home Wiring Into a Giant Antenna

An anonymous reader writes with this IBT snippet: "Imagine if you could run a wireless sensor device for years without ever having to replace the battery. Turns out, the idea of a battery-less wireless device might not be too far off. Researchers at the University of Washington and the Georgia Institute of Technology developed a small node sized device that uses the residential wiring from a building or home and transmits information to and from almost anywhere else from within. The device is called Sensor Nodes Utilizing Powerline Infrastructure, or SNUPI. It uses basic copper wiring as a giant antenna to receive wireless signals at a set frequency. When the device is within 10 to 15 feet of electrical wiring, it uses the antenna to send data to a single base station." (For "node-sized," think "size of a breakfast cereal prize.")

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  1. Oldhat by symes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    here is one someone knocked up a 120 years ago.

  2. Bet the HAM guys are gonna love this by Nursie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They already get upset enough about HomePlug style ethernet-over-power devices.

    1. Re:Bet the HAM guys are gonna love this by mike449 · · Score: 4, Informative

      This new "node-sized" device consumes 1mW when transmitting and the home wiring is used as a receiving antenna. If HomePlug radiated this much, ham guys would be really happy.

    2. Re:Bet the HAM guys are gonna love this by Oloryn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With the power levels being used, interference to ham operation isn't likely to be a problem. What's likely to be more of a problem is - how RFI-susceptible are the receivers going to be? They appear to be targeting the upper short-wave and lower VHF region (10-40Mhz). These receivers need to be pretty sensitive to pick up the low-level signals being sent by the sensors. If a neighbor (or the occupant) fires up a legal-limit ham transmitter (or a CB with an illegal amplifier), will they be selective enough to remain operational in the presence of that strong signal? The devices they built run in the 27Mhz area. I wonder if they've tested how they work if a nearby CB transmitter is operating, or if a a ham transmitter is operating on 10 meters?

  3. Re:Easier ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Attack", "rail". Expect a visit from a not-so-friendly representative of Homeland Security.

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  4. Re:Easier ways by suso · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, negotiating right of way with the railroad company. Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that?

  5. Re:Easier ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You should probably re-evaluate how you approach your rails, attacking them shouldn't be necessary!

  6. After wide-spread adoption, hence the scam. by interval1066 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IF this is widely adopted, place your bets on how long it takes for snoopers and sniffer to start stealing your sensitive data. I'm guessing a scant week after a city touts a complete success at a city-wide installation a report will come out on how a scammer scams that town out of kajillions.

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    1. Re:After wide-spread adoption, hence the scam. by Athanasius · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, which two words does 'encryption' decrypt to ?

  7. New sealing method by scheme · · Score: 3, Funny

    Patel said. "Most systems are designed thinking the battery will last less than a year. Now the device sold can have the battery integrated and frenetically sealed. "

    I'd like to see one of those frenetically sealed batteries. Or maybe just see a video of the battery being sealed.

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  8. Oh the Hams are going to love this....NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These powerline 'type' technologies are like just bad bad news for Hams and shortwave enthusiasts as it wipes out the bands, unless notch filters are employed, which I doubt it.

  9. Re:Interesting by by+(1706743) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Radio waves are already being generated by the wiring, albeit at much lower frequencies (e.g., 60Hz).

    You insensitive clod!

  10. Re:Breakfast what? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    Im sorry, what is a breakfast cereal prize?

    It's something that you plug into your UCB port.

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  11. seems an old idea... by dslmodem · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have been working in a DSL company a few years back. For DSL systems, the AM signals could be an issue since they can couple into the long twist pair lines and then, be fed into receiver. So far, I got the idea to utilize the long wires (phone lines, power line, etc) to perform short range radio communications or sensors with other devices. Problems? Many. Overall, it is very hard to control, i.e. taking a lot of noise/interference and emitting a lot of energy (could affect other devices).

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  12. Re:Breakfast what? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Im sorry, what is a breakfast cereal prize?

    For those of you who have never eaten or purchased pre-sweetened "kids" cereals, popular breakfast cereals marketed to children in the U.S. and elsewhere in the West often have a little toy stuffed in them. A famous (infamous?) example that may be an urban legend is a plastic whistle that once came in Cap'n'Crunch cereal boxes that (allegedly) blew a tone of 2600 Hz, the exact frequency needed to place free phone long-distance phone calls on AT&T's POTS network.

  13. Re:Easier ways by fewnorms · · Score: 2, Funny

    Be happy they didn't call this 'Sensor Nodes Utilizing Conductive Infrastructure' ... the short version of that would not be pretty. Come to think of it, the short version IS not that pretty :)

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  14. EMC... by Guillaume+le+Btard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How can this ever be approved? I imagine this can cause all sorts of problems. The power grid in a normal house is not designed for this, same thing goes for the ethernet over power crap. There are all sorts or regulations about keeping net pollution down, and using it as a transmission medium goes directly against this.

  15. Units by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For "node-sized," think "size of a breakfast cereal prize."?

    For those of us that haven't eaten cereal that comes with prizes for at least 40 years now, can you express that in more traditional units, e.g. volkswagens, libraries of congress, or common US coins? Alternatively, you you just give the fucking dimensions.

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    1. Re:Units by dtmos · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's 3.8 cm by 3.8 cm by 1.4 cm (second page, first column, second paragraph).

  16. Re:Funny name by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually that record is still being held by Arnold Rimmer in Red Dwarf, when he suggested to form the Comitee for Liberation and Integration of Terrorizing Organisms and their Reintegration Into Society.

  17. They didn't describe the powerline! by Beorytis · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the UW paper, there was no detailed description of the powerline inside the test home. What was the wiring? I'm guessing it was NM cable (a.k.a. "Romex"), or wire in nonmetallic conduit. If a home is wired with wire in metal conduit or armored cable (f.k.a."BX"), the grounded metal enclosure probably has an adverse effect on performance of the SNUPI system.

    1. Re:They didn't describe the powerline! by e9th · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My house was built in 1957. All interior wiring is in EMT or IMC (plus a little Greenfield to the fixed appliances) or within steel conduit bodies and device boxes. Not an inch of NM.

  18. Re:Easier ways by claytonicforce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i too sir know this shameful fact. :(

  19. Re:Breakfast what? by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't have one, but I do remember them. The Wikipedia article on the cereal has citable references. And a little googling turns up photos of the whistle.

  20. Building wiring as TV antenna by RomulusNR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I was in college, kids in the university's then-tallest building would not bother getting cable service, which the dorm was pre-wired for. But despite not having cable service, they plugged their TV's into the cable jacks anyway -- and it increased their OTA reception fourfold. The cable wires running through the building served as a huge 100-foot antenna.

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  21. Re:Easier ways by Stargoat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Damnit. Gitmo again?

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