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Stuxnet Analysis Backs Iran-Israel Connection

Trailrunner7 writes "Liam O'Murchu of Symantec, speaking at the Virus Bulletin Conference, provided the first detailed public analysis of the worm's inner workings to an audience of some of the world's top computer virus experts. O'Murchu described a sophisticated and highly targeted virus and demonstrated a proof of concept exploit that showed how the virus could cause machines using infected PLCs to run out of control. Though most of the conversation about Stuxnet is still based on conjecture, O'Murchu said that Symantec's analysis of Stuxnet's code for manipulating PLCs on industrial control systems by Siemens backs up both the speculation that Iran was the intended target and that Israel was the possible source of the virus. O'Murchu noted that researchers had uncovered the reference to an obscure date in the worm's code, May 9, 1979, which, he noted, was the date on which a prominent Iranian Jew, Habib Elghanian, was executed by the new Islamic government shortly after the revolution. Anti-virus experts said O'Murchu's hypothesis about the origins of Stuxnet were plausible, though some continue to wonder how the authors of such a sophisticated piece of malware allowed it to break into the wild and attract attention." Symantec has also issued a lengthy and detailed dossier on Stuxnet (PDF).

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  1. Wait a minute. by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the entire idea of the "Israel created this to attack Iran" idea is based on finding the date May 9, 1979 hidden in the code - and that because it's the first day the current theocratic asshats running Iran beheaded the first Jew of their despotic regime? Really?

    This is like playing Nostradamus. Pluck something vague, go hunting, and see what you can say later to claim you "predicted it." For instance, in Eastern bloc countries, May 9 1945 is "Victory Day." I'm sure some prominent politician somewhere in there also died on May 9, 1979. A google search for that date came back with 196,000 results just on the precise phrase "May 9, 1979".

    Ridiculous.

    1. Re:Wait a minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So the entire idea of the "Israel created this to attack Iran" idea is based on finding the date May 9, 1979 hidden in the code

      No, the idea is based on Israel having the motivation, the capability, and the demonstrated willingness to do things like this. (Not saying that it's true that the thing came from Israel *or* targeted Iran, mind you.)

    2. Re:Wait a minute. by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dozens of regimes have the motivation, capability and demonstrated willingness to do things like this.

      Hell, thousands of hackers across the world have the motivation, capability, and demonstrated willingness to do things like this. And that's not even before we get to the professional virus-writers that are tied in with outfits like yakuza and russian mafia gangs these days operating various blackmail/extortion gambits.

      It sounds more like the "idea" is based on someone who has some grudge against Israel and found a convenient outlet for it, just like all the other "waah the jews did it" conspiracy theories that always sprout up - including the dork who posted a "jews also did wtc" in the first post (thankfully probably trollmarked down to -1 by now) to this article.

    3. Re:Wait a minute. by EdZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So the entire idea of the "Israel created this to attack Iran" idea is based on finding the date May 9, 1979 hidden in the code

      That, and the worm being targeted at Iranian PLCs. It's an incredibly sophisticated and specific attack with little avenue for direct profit, so it's unlikely to be either an extortion attempt by a criminal organisation or something produced by a blackhat hobbyist. That makes a government being behind it likely. Israel definitely has motive and means to be behind the worm.

      some continue to wonder how the authors of such a sophisticated piece of malware allowed it to break into the wild and attract attention.

      It took quite a while before researchers realised the payload was intended to mess with one specific brand of PLCs (they're hardly part of a standard honeypot), maybe the intent was to hide it in plain sight it as 'just another botnet'.

    4. Re:Wait a minute. by Patch86 · · Score: 5, Funny

      So are we claiming that development on Stuxnet started on 9/5/1979 in reaction to this execution? (Did Siemans even make industrial control computers in the 70s?) Or are we claiming that the "authors of such a sophisticated piece of malware" decided to plant a trail of clues, like some sort of cartoon villains?

      They would have got away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling Symantec engineers.

    5. Re:Wait a minute. by ACS+Solver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, that doesn't seem like good evidence at all. Mind you, I do consider it very likely that Israel is behind this. Israel has both the motivation and the capability to launch such an electronic attack at Iran. But as far as actual evidence goes, I'd like to see something more concrete. Assuming that the code really refers to the date and that it's not just a mistaken interpretation of a pointer to 0x00090579, there's still a lot of stuff that happened on that particular day.

    6. Re:Wait a minute. by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd guess the odds are at least as good that it's the author's birthday.

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    7. Re:Wait a minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is exactly what I would expect an agent of the Israeli government to say to throw people off the trail...

      That's exactly what I would expect a pedophile terrorist puppy-kicker to say.

    8. Re:Wait a minute. by polle404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      funny, yesterday it was an obscure bible reference that supposedly proved Israeli mischief
      http://gizmodo.com/5652032/the-secret-code-inside-the-supervirus-attacking-iran-nuclear-power

      Sounds like someone has found someone to blame, and are desperately searching for "evidence" to back it up

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    9. Re:Wait a minute. by Moryath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey but wait! Today is October 1st that they "discovered" the May 9th reference. That's the day Alexander the Great defeated Darius III of Persia! That PROVES it was an attack against Iran, because Iran is Persia!

      October 1 is also the day Germany annexed the Sudetenland... and the day the USS Grouper torpedoed the Lisbon Maru mistakenly... and the day the Israeli Air Force bombed the PLO headquarters in Tunis (too bad they didn't get Arafat back then!).

      And this is the problem of trying to follow "date code" clues. Assuming you didn't mistake a hexadecimal pointer for a datecode, you still generally have a 1/365 chance (ostensibly 1/366 for leap years, but for some reason February 29th just seems to be a relatively boring day anyways) of hitting some coincidental match anyways.

    10. Re:Wait a minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is exactly what I would expect an agent of the Israeli government to say to throw people off the trail...

      Careful. What if that's what they want you to think?

    11. Re:Wait a minute. by copponex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ridiculous.

      What's more ridiculous is people who think the State of Israel can do no wrong, or that Israeli interests are the same thing as American interests.

      The virus was targeted towards Iranian PLCs. The date is supporting evidence of that, but may be a coincidence anyway.

      What's not a coincidence is that Israel has been threatening to attack Iran, but still refuses to sign the Non Proliferation Treaty as Iran has and subject themselves to inspections. Israel doesn't want to play by anyone's rules but their own, and creating this virus falls well within the threats they have made over the past five years.

    12. Re:Wait a minute. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dozens of regimes have the motivation, capability and demonstrated willingness to do things like this.

      What would you say are the top five "regimes" that you believe have the "motivation, capability and demonstrated willingness" to perform a cyber-attack like this on Iran?

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    13. Re:Wait a minute. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Israel definitely has motive and means to be behind the worm.

      You better be careful. Rick Sanchez just said that Jews control all the ISPs and you might have your Internet connecti...{NO CARRIER}

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    14. Re:Wait a minute. by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now that's just being anti-Symantec.

      (alt: anti-Siemantic. You pick.)

    15. Re:Wait a minute. by alexo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, the creators of the virus called it Myrtus, which is another name for Esther. Esther was the Jewish wife of a Persian king. One of the kings lieutenants hatched a plan to destroy the Jewish people and Esther convinced the king to give permission to fight back. The story is vaguely appropriate.

      Damn, people, you're beginning to sound like the whackos that find "biblical references" that "predict" everything that happened since (in hindsight, of course).

      If you believe that Israel is behind the attack, fine -- at this point it is as plausible an assumption as any -- but stop getting all over yourselves in ridiculous attempts to "prove" it.

      Consider this:

      1. State actors do not put "easter eggs" into munitions. If a state wants it to be known that they are behind such an action, it will either claim responsibility or will leak the information while officially refusing to comment. If a foreign intelligence programmer decides to get "creative", they will be dealt with harshly.

      2. Israelis speak Hebrew. The name Esther is written and pronounced as ESTER (transliteration, the 'E' is short, like in 'merry'). *Nobody* uses the word "Myrtus". Also see #1 above.

    16. Re:Wait a minute. by siddesu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hehe, mod parent up.

      The "EU" as a "state actor" is rich. If there is anything that is farther from a "state actor" in the world today (excluding maybe the UN), it is the EU. They can't make a decision on how to tie their collective shoes together, much less conspire to attack a foreign country.

      Look at the EU's "common position" on the Iran sanction proposals for the spine, resolution, unity and swift action the "state actor" has...

    17. Re:Wait a minute. by lgw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I do consider it very likely that Israel is behind this. Israel has both the motivation and the capability to launch such an electronic attack at Iran.

      Israel has the motivation and capability to launch a real attack at Iran! You know, with bombs dropped from planes and nuclear weapons launched from submarines. Not just some dorkiness that is only news for nerds. Could this be some competent Black Hat who lives in Israel and dislikes Iran? Sure, I can believe that - it's as likely as any other country. But why would a government screw around with something this lame, especially leaving clues behind? That makes as much sense as the WTC conspiracies.

      Please tell me /.ers don't fall for this crap idea that the fact that the code is well-written is evidence of government involvement in writing the code. Really? That makes sense to someone who writes code?

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    18. Re:Wait a minute. by unitron · · Score: 4, Informative

      Who else does Iran sell these PLC's to?

      Iran doesn't make and sell them, Siemens does.

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    19. Re:Wait a minute. by dr2chase · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, we're pretty much in "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line" territory here. My money is on the Gilderians.

    20. Re:Wait a minute. by demonlapin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So the Jews are motivated, capable, willing, and utter fucking idiots who reveal everything in easter eggs in the program. It's like dealing with Bush's duller critics all over again - either the Jews are scheming, vicious bastards, or they're just total fucking morons. But you have to choose one of those and stand by it.

    21. Re:Wait a minute. by Cylix · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is plenty of reading material on the topic and I would specifically site the analysis released a few days ago. However, to me the largest factor involved is the three hop maximum infection fuse. This would indicate the deployment had a very specific location based target in mind. I have not paid particular attention to the PLC design portion, but I have mostly heard second hand the PLC logic it targeted resembled Irans configurations.

      However, don't dare let me be the only source of information and flip through the available material.

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    22. Re:Wait a minute. by Cylix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even more reason why the clues are most likely planted.

      Very soon we will find an ASCII star of david planted in one of the binaries.

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    23. Re:Wait a minute. by Dthief · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're starting from your bias and trying to justify your conclusion later. It doesn't work.

      Works 100% of the time for me.....which is based on my bias against you being right, thus further supporting my stance.

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    24. Re:Wait a minute. by picoboy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hell, thousands of hackers across the world have the motivation, capability, and demonstrated willingness to do things like this.

      So you're suggesting that thousands of hackers knew that Iran used Siemens PLCs, knew the specific equipment being controlled by those PLCs, knew how to modify the program code in those PLCs to damage that equipment, had multiple stolen certificates, and had apparently four zero day exploits cued up and ready to be blown on this. Even as a self-righteous slashdot-reading geek, I'm not buying it. This was government all the way. The bullshit dates were thrown in the code to add an intentional tinge of unprofessionalism to an otherwise ridiculously professional piece of work.

    25. Re:Wait a minute. by wmac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, it does not.
      1- The distance is too long. They can carry very few bombs and small bombs are not effective. They need to have hundreds of sorties to be effective which is impossible.
      2- Iran has at least hundreds of missiles which can reach Tel-Aviv and it can effectively retaliate any attack.

      Do not read too much Science Fiction.

    26. Re:Wait a minute. by lewko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That an anonymous coward will write-off another person's opinion, simply because they may be Jewish, is rather strange. Until you realize that the anonymous coward is an anti-Semite.

      Up next: Anonymous coward insists some of his best friends are Jewish. Film at eleven.

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    27. Re:Wait a minute. by alexo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you ever heard of an Israeli project, military or otherwise, named after a Greek word when a Hebrew one is available?
      And I am not talking about translations by non-Hebrew media.

    28. Re:Wait a minute. by arivanov · · Score: 3, Informative

      And how many independent hackers have access to SCADA? SCADA systems are not something that ends up just on any hacker's desk just like that.

      One thing this incident shows is that SCADA security is inexistent when facing a modern "Internet Style" attack. It has all: buffer overruns, bad coding, idiotic design decision and total lack of security awareness in the admins who set up the networks. However, because it looks secure from the perspective of Joe Average Utility IT manager it is deemed secure.

      After this incident this "secure" statement will be questioned quite a lot in most countries.

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    29. Re:Wait a minute. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2, Informative

      And how many independent hackers have access to SCADA? SCADA systems are not something that ends up just on any hacker's desk just like that. http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m570.l1313&_nkw=scada&_sacat=See-All-Categories Lots and lots of SCADA manuals, simulators and even some actual hardware. Locate in thirty seconds. I'm sure there is plenty more if you venture outside ebay. SCADA gear is not classified technology. True, it's not something you'll find in the home, but it is something a curious hacker could easily buy.

    30. Re:Wait a minute. by dbIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most of the threats were along the lines of "I hate those guys too so vote for me". Notice how since the last election was blatantly rigged there haven't been any threats? They are not needed.
      While the support for Hizbolla is real, consider that the rockets used are 40 years old or more and probably were about to be thrown out. If Iran really wanted to hurt Israel to the point where they would be handing it to Syria on a platter they would send more money and newer rockets.
      Iran doesn't directly attack Israel because even if they managed to somehow win a conflict they wouldn't get to keep anything. The aggression against Israel is mainly for domestic consumption but also lets them pretend they care about Palestinians so they can pretend to have something more in common with the Arab states.
      When they get nuclear weapons the most likely situation would be "nice island you've got there Bahrain, shame if something happened to it but I'm selling nuclear insurance" instead of some crazed mutual annihilation with Israel.

    31. Re:Wait a minute. by demonlapin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      virtually all of the Israelis I have known have been racist and xenophobic

      When all of your immediate neighbors want to kill you, it does tend to push you a bit toward xenophobia.

  2. Proof??? by ArieKremen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They were smart enough to write and deploy a complex virus, but stupid enough to include a reference to an obscure execution date of a prominent Iranian Jew; the first .Google hit conveniently pointing to the relevant Wikipedia entry. That screams red herring (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring_(idiom)), not proof.

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    1. Re:Proof??? by hex0D · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The whole idea could be is that it doesn't prove anything, but still tells everyone who's responsible. Perhaps a threat veiled enough to not be actionable legally, but still heard loud and clear. I see pulling that off as evidence of smarts, not stupidity.

    2. Re:Proof??? by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't you think that if a state-sponsored agency wrote and deployed the virus, the QA/QC would remove ego-driven references?

      I like to imagine governments would do all kinds of things that would make sense. Alas, I don't live in the imaginary world where they actually succeed at it all the time.

      A basement hacker has an ego, a state-sponsored team of programmers have a task.

      I'm gonna venture a guess that you've never worked for the government. XD Ego-driven behavior tends to be more common there than in corporations, at least in my experience.

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  3. It's public intentionally, duh. by gclef · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why are they surprised that it broke out? That's probably part of the whole idea: seed the target area (presumably Iran) with flash drives with the worm on it, then sit back and wait. When world + dog gets infected, you know *someone* in your targeted area picked up the flash drives, so there's a very high likelihood that someone at your target site infected their PC.

    Doing it this way allows the attacker to know that they've succeeded (and presumably to take whatever follow-up measure they had planned) without giving away who they are. Since *everyone* knows that the worm exists, there's no secret signal path to trace back to the author.

  4. KGB ! by bubbakja · · Score: 3, Funny

    In Russia you don't blame code, code blames somebody else !

  5. Really fails the smell test. by Apuleius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Iran still has several thousand Jews living in Tehran and Isfahan. To refer to the execution of Elghanian is to invite the execution of some other scapegoat out of the Jewish community. The Mullahs of Iran are very, very easy to offend, tease, tweak, et cetera. There are plenty of ways to put insults aimed at them into this virus without pointing at the Jewish community, and rest assured any Israeli hacker knows plenty.

  6. I've seen this episode before by joeflies · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was Star Trek Next Generation - The Vengence Factor. Only one in a million Acamarians have the DNA which this virus was designed to kill.

  7. Re:Whoever did release this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...was utterly unconcerned for any potential cost.

    On the contrary, they made damn sure that the payload would only be triggered under very specific circumstances, the specifics of which are unknown to the general public. (Probably the only people who do know are the attackers and the target, and they aren't talking.)

    If you want a car analogy: Stuxnet isn't a Time Machine that triggers at 88 MPH. It's not even a Time Machine that only trips if it's installed in a DeLorean doing 88 MPH. You only see some serious shit if if you're doing 88 MPH in a DeLorean with a specific VIN.

  8. Yeah, Right... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, right. Israel creates this super-secret superworm, attacks Iran with it, after putting their fingerprints all over it just so that they will get caught by the first person to look at it in a text editor. All this knowing that it is going to infect the whole world and everybody is going to be coming after the authors with torches, pitchforks, and blood in their eye.

    Of course, that explains it all.

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    1. Re:Yeah, Right... by LoRdTAW · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no saying that the virus was stuffed with fake clues pointing to Israel. Who knows where it came from but this is either a read herring (most likely) or someone trying to start a war. Its a very interesting subject you could turn it into a book or movie plot.

  9. Ya by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is compounded by the problem that people are presupposing the answer. From the start, it seems people have assumed this MUST be an attack against Iran and thus done by the US or Israel. As such their thought process is "Find evidence of US or Israeli involvement," and not "Try to find out the source of the attack."

    If you look hard enough for evidence of something, you'll often find it, even when there isn't any, particularly when the standard for evidence is low. Same kind of shit with all the 9/11 conspiracy. People doing 9s 11s and so on all over the place. Snopes did a great bit choosing another number and showing how that was all over the place too.

    Sorry, but I'd require a significant amount for than this to be convinced. This isn't evidence, it is speculation at best and conspiracy mongering at worst.

    1. Re:Ya by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well let's make a list of the countries that have the resources to do this and the motivation.
      1 The US.
      2. Israel.
      We know both of their motivations but I can think of a lot more.
      3. India. A nuclear Pakistan is bad enough without a Nuclear Iran.
      4. Russia. Blow up some stuff sell them new stuff. Repeat until rich. Plus Russia has no real desire to have a nuclear Iran on it's door step.
      5. Saudi Arabia. They have the money and no Love for Iran.
      6. France. They where allies with Iraq durring the Iraq Iran war. They don't want Iran to be a member of the Nuclear Club.
      7, Germany. The PLC where made by a German company. They have no desire to see Iran have nukes.
      In fact you can put all of Europe down as have both the motivation and the ability "Okay maybe not Luxembourg" to pull off this attack.
      And most of the Middle East as well has motivation and a team of CS majors with a hacking talent can not be that hard to find.
      8. China. They are now a world power. They do not need Iran trying to stir up trouble.
      9. The UK. I mean really that should be a given.
      So about the only nations with a large industrial base and high levels of education that I would rule out are.
      Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Africa and Brazil. And frankly any one of them could have done it just to defuse the issue and try to stop a nuclear war in the middle east.
      Frankly I don't think that Israel or the US would have put a date in pointing to Israel.
      Now Russia on the other had I could see doing it. But it is all guess work with no proof at this point.

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  10. Really?!? This is front-page quality? by ZuchinniOne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Technical analysis aside, all these Israel claims are based on huge assumptions and zero concrete evidence. Even if Israel did create this virus why would they put references in the code that led back to them?

  11. Re:Whoever did release this by poliscipirate · · Score: 3, Informative

    Britain isn't that much larger than Rhode Island but has over a quarter of the population of the entire United States.

    Not to be picky, but Britain is a little over 80,000 square miles in area, while Rhode Island is around 1,200 square miles. Not even in the same ballpark.

  12. Re:Whoever did release this by sed+quid+in+infernos · · Score: 3, Informative

    Britain isn't that much larger than Rhode Island but has over a quarter of the population of the entire United States.

    Nope.

    Rhode Island area = 1,214 square miles; Great Britain area = 84,600 square miles - more than 60 times greater.

    Great Britain population = ~60 million (mid 2009); United States population = ~310 million (mid 2010) - more than 5 times greater.

  13. It's called circumstantial evidence by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And it adds up. Besides the "date", admittedly a bit of a stretch as you note, there are also references to "Myrtus" within a path left in the code. Myrtus, a type of myrtle, is possibly a biblical reference to the Book of Esther (Esther was originally called Hadassah - similar to the Hebrew word for myrtle) in which Jewish forces, after unraveling a Persian attack plan, stage a preemptive and successful assault against their adversaries. There is also the level of knowledge required for the targeting of Stuxnet, including highly specific details about its intended target that would have required internal knowledge of the kind that is likely to require espionage to acquire. Finally, there is also a cut-off date of June 24, 2012 when Stuxnet will go dormant. While not unheard of in the world of more conventional botnets, this is decidedly unusual and further points to a nation state's involvement.

    Taking all that together, I think it's fairly reasonable to limit the list of suspects to those countries with a reason to be wary of Iran's nuclear program - of which there are, admittedly, quite a few. However, Israel does have a track record for being decidedly unsubtle when it is being proactive about such things, viz the 2007 air raid on one of Syria's nuclear facilities, or the murder of Mahmoud_al-Mabhouh.

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    1. Re:It's called circumstantial evidence by Moryath · · Score: 4, Funny

      admittedly a bit of a stretch as you note, there are also references to "Myrtus" within a path left in the code. Myrtus, a type of myrtle, is possibly a biblical reference to the Book of Esther (Esther was originally called Hadassah - similar to the Hebrew word for myrtle)

      So now we're working off the "this word sounds like this word which is another word for this word" theory?

      Lessee. "May" is a synonym with "shall"... which sounds a lot like "challa"... which is a lovely tasty breadstuff usually eaten by... JEWS! AAAUGH! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

      Of course, that's the point of all this meaningless bullshit. You're looking for obscure connections trying to "prove" your own biases. Nothing more.

    2. Re:It's called circumstantial evidence by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Funny

      there are also references to "Myrtus" within a path left in the code. Myrtus, a type of myrtle,

      Which is very close to Yertle the Turtle.

      OH
      MY
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      Dr Seuss authored the virus from beyond the grave!!!!

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    3. Re:It's called circumstantial evidence by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

      there are also references to "Myrtus" within a path left in the code.

      Considering the virus targets the PLCs in SCADA systems where RTUs are standard system components, I'm willing to bet that "myrtus" is short for something like "My RTU Source" rather than an obscure reference to guavas.

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    4. Re:It's called circumstantial evidence by httptech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nope, I'm pretty sure it's a reference to guavas, considering the complete path was:

      b:\myrtus\src\objfre_w2k_x86\i386\guava.pdb

  14. Re:Really?!? This is front-page quality? by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly. It shows how badly the people analyzing the worm would like it to tie it back to a super-secret Mossad operation. Talk about "confirmation bias"!

  15. Why o why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    would Israel threaten to attack Iran? Oh, that's right: Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism and has threatened to attack Israel.

  16. How? by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anti-virus experts said O'Murchu's hypothesis about the origins of Stuxnet were plausible, though some continue to wonder how the authors of such a sophisticated piece of malware allowed it to break into the wild and attract attention.

    Seriously? We refer to this kind of programs by names like "worm" and "virus" because they resemble their biological namesakes in that they get into all kinds of places and reproduce. Who wonders about shit like this?

    If Stuxnet was designed by a hostile state to damage Iranian industry, it's quite possible that, lacking any good way to deploy it inside Iran, it was released into the wild in hopes that it would find its way in on its own. Even states like the US and Israel, who probably have at least some operatives inside Iran, would probably prefer to take this approach than to risk compromising their inside operatives.

    While Israel and the US are the most likely nation-state actors, it's worth considering that there are any number of NGOd that are hostile to Iran and would have the resources to hire programmers to build a worm -- if they didn't already have some in-house. It's also possible that this is the work of a lone individual: the idea that it would take a state actor to create a worm is even more laughable than SCO's contention that Linus Torvalds couldn't have possibly written a kernel by himself. And finally, Iran has plenty of competitors and outright enemies in the Islamic world. Pakistan in particular has the technical personnel, a nuclear monopoly within the Islamic world to defend, and an ongoing struggle with Iran over influence in Afghanistan. If I was forced to bet on the question, I'd put my money on Israel, but at the same time, I wouldn't be at all surprised if I lost the bet. Iran has lots of enemies, internal and external. It's almost like one of those cliched murder mysteries where a broadly disliked person is murdered and everyone he knew is a suspect.

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  17. Re:Israel vs arab nukes by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are Arab Israelis, I went drinking with a bunch of Christian Arabs in Jerusalem one night.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

    Also met a super friendly family of Druze.

  18. The May 9, 1979 reference by Jason+W · · Score: 3, Informative
    For those too lazy to read the dossier:

    Export 16 first checks that the configuration data is valid, after that it checks the value “NTVDM TRACE” in the following registry key:

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\MS-DOS Emulation

    If this value is equal to 19790509 the threat will exit. This is thought to be an infection marker or a “do not in- fect” marker. If this is set correctly infection will not occur. The value appears to be a date of May 9, 1979. While on May 9, 1979 a variety of historical events occured, according to Wikipedia “Habib Elghanian was executed by a firing squad in Tehran sending shock waves through the closely knit Iranian Jewish community. He was the first Jew and one of the first civilians to be executed by the new Islamic government. This prompted the mass exodus of the once 100,000 member strong Jewish community of Iran which continues to this day.” Symantec cautions readers on drawing any attribution conclusions. Attackers would have the natural desire to implicate another party.

    Next, Stuxnet reads a date from the configuration data (offset 0x8c in the configuration data). If the current date is later than the date in the configuration file then infection will also not occur and the threat will exit. The date found in the current configuration file is June 24, 2012.

    But really, May 9, 1979 being Rosario Dawson's birthday puts this back on the teenager in his basement path to me.

  19. unabomber by kaoshin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of Ted Kaczynksi's tactics was leaving false clues in every bomb to purposely mislead investigators into thinking they had a clue. Interesting that the targets here were industrial, and May 9, 1979 is also the anniversary of the second unabomber attack.

    1. Re:unabomber by joeflies · · Score: 3, Informative

      May 9, 1979 is also the anniversary of the second unabomber attack.

      Correction, May 9, 1979 was the date of the second unabomber attack. The anniversaries are the subsequent May 9ths in the years following.

  20. Rosario Dawson did it by mangu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The whole idea could be is that it doesn't prove anything, but still tells everyone who's responsible

    If someone wants to sign their code with a date, the most logical pick would be their birthdate

    If you want to make a veiled threat, you wouldn't pick something that gets hundreds of thousands results in Google. You would try to make your threat clear but deniable

  21. Re:Israel vs arab nukes by Maltheus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't understand how a person can respect hypocrisy. Why is it ok for Israel to have nukes, but not Iran? Why is it ok for them to attack their neighbors and when anyone else does it, it's a crime?

  22. Re:Really?!? This is front-page quality? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Talk about "confirmation bias"!

    Yes - exactly what I was thinking!

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  23. Re:That still presumes a nation did it by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Informative

    Could very easily be private individuals. ...

    No, actually, it couldn't very easily be. I suspect you don't know a lot about the subject. I thought the same thing until I heard more about it. Whatever organization created this had quite a bit of time, intelligence (as in information, not smarts, although they had that too), and resources, and they threw millions of dollars worth of it into making this.

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  24. Ah, yes, the world is a scary place isn't it by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your arguments sound and awfull lot like people who argue 9/11 was a government plot. Why do they argue this? Because they are afraid and can't deal with a world were a random group of individuals can do such a complex thing.

    This is especially amazing as a story running at the same time is about the leaked Intel key. And of course the ongoing story of the PS3 being cracked.

    Random individuals are a lot more resourceful then some people are willing to give them credit for. But blaming a shadow government for it is far easier to cope with because that means at least someone is in charge. In control.

    Those "stolen" certificates also mean nothing. They get "leaked" all the time. Case in point, the Intel key, which was a LOT more valuable then the keys in this worm.

    As for hackers knowing about Siemens... that is so easy and trivial to explain I hard find it worth the effort. But it is PUBLIC knowledge who supplies Iran with its tools. Export bans and all make sure everything has to be declared.

    No, I look deeper and look at the fact this worm was so quickly discovered and so handily easily decoded with all these handy clues pointing to Iran's enemies. Mmm, a virus outbreak in Iran that nobody else notices, spreads uncontrollably yet then is near instantly dissected and points towards Iran's standard scape goats.

    Gosh, how convenient.

    Zero day exploits are a dime a dozen, smart people the same. This is just a worm that worked its magic in a mono-culture. The moment I start thinking "government conspiracy" is when someone reveals anything about the data transferred.

    WHY would Israel do this? They got far better methods available. And they don't need to disable a windows PC of a nuclear reactor office workers. They got reliable aircraft to do that that send a far stronger message. They got plenty of experience with it.

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