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Free Software Foundation Turns 25

An anonymous reader writes "On this day, 25 years ago, Richard Stallman created the Free Software Foundation. He had been the director of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Artificial Intelligence Lab. Tired of seeing software that he and others had written appropriated (without acknowledgment or compensation) by disreputable software companies and then told to pay for software they had written, Stallman took action, creating the foundation. The original license was written by Stallman. Stallman had subsequently written a large number of GNU tools, but the license was his most important contribution."

183 comments

  1. What about emacs by nicolas.kassis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    GPL is cool but I think emacs was his greatest accomplishment. At least technical accomplishment.

    1. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, vi is better.

    2. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Fuck you, you dirty rotten piece of dog shit. I hope you die and go to hell.

    3. Re:What about emacs by yankpop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      GPL is cool but I think emacs was his greatest accomplishment. At least technical accomplishment.

      Whoever modded this flamebait needs to have their privileges revoked. I'm not sure I agree with the parent post, but Emacs is unquestionably a substantial contribution in its own right, as is the GCC.

      Flamebait is not a synonym for disagree.

    4. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only emacs users go to Hell. All other sins are forgiveable.

    5. Re:What about emacs by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only a tiny percentage of people use Emacs.
      Programers have the option of Vi, Eclipse.org, Netbeans, XCode, Notepad++, and any number of other free as in speech or beer IDEs.
      Think of all the software that is available under the GPL including Linux.
      Then think of all the software written using GCC.

      While I do not agree with RMS's extremist dogmatic view that all software should be free, I tend to believe there is room for both models. I also really dislike his devoted followers.
      But I will say this about him.
      GPL was important in influenced a lot of people including myself to write and contribute free software. Emacs while I do not use it is a very powerful editor/ide/os/religion. GCC is wonderful and I use it often. And about the man himself. I wrote him an email once and he actually took the time to respond to me. I didn't agree with him but he was polite and passonate in his view point. I will say that my opinion of RMS is he is a gentalman that I respect but have an honest difference in opinion with.
       

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    6. Re:What about emacs by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Technical accomplishments pale in comparison to cultural accomplishments.

      Are you really arguing that emacs is a greater accomplishment than the entire open source software movement? GPL is what made OSS possible, without license the software would have been stolen before it could get off its feet. That's exactly what prompted the GPL in the first place - Stallman and his MIT buddies were writing software that vendors were picking up, incorporating into their own products, and then forcing Stallman and his buddies to pay for in the next iteration.

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    7. Re:What about emacs by Eil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'll note that the negative moderation was balanced against at least 4 other positive moderations. The moderation system was built on the assumption that some people will moderate poorly but most will moderate appropriately. So Slashdot is working as it's supposed to. You can relax now.

    8. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, there's always child molesters and people who talk at the theatre.

    9. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, vi is better.

      What are you talking about? vi can't simultaneously monitor your tulip farm's greenhouse CO2 levels and farm WoW gold using a 3-client group. emacs was practically made for it. I'm posting this from emacs, by the way, and it's about to solve the captcha for me too. Ahh.. the captcha is "gilded". How appropriate.

    10. Re:What about emacs by hazah · · Score: 1

      I also really dislike his devoted followers.

      Do not be so quick to judge. You said it yourself, the man is a gentleman, despite the negative reputation that precedes him (around here). Some of us are still interested in duking this out based on the actual merits of the proposition. I'd like to think that I'm one of those people. I never was one for holding an opinion that makes no sense.

    11. Re:What about emacs by nicolas.kassis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I guess you are probably right but I still think he doesn't get the cred he deserves as a genius programmer. Before the GPL he was single handedly reverse engineering all of Symbolics stuff as a way to screw them for taking code from MIT's mac project and close sourcing it. That code was written by teams of very good hackers. That + emacs + gcc == incredible code writing. Some of the best MIT Hackers still say they we impressed by how much code he was churning out during that time.

    12. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 1

      Correct, flamebait is a mod for posts which seem to be deliberately crafted to stir up meaningless debates. Like the Emacs vs Vi debate (which is no debate at all, they both suck).

      What is there to be said in reply to 'emacs was his greatest accomplishment'? Only posts of the sort of the first reply, 'Nah, vi is better'. I can easily see how someone thought it was just there to stir up an argument, and for that 'flamebait' is entirely appropriate.

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    13. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GPL is what made OSS possible, without license the software would have been stolen before it could get off its feet.

      We already had open source before the GPL. Now we have Free software.

    14. Re:What about emacs by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I say Emacs could be a bigger accomplishment then GNU.
      Sure he is more popular because of the GNU. But the GNU probably couldn't be proven without Emacs and the fact the RMS could sell copies of Emacs under the GNU.
      Also emacs was full featured enough to be incorporated in many different OS's giving the GNU a wider appeal.

      The basic rule of thumb 25 years ago. If it is free then it is crap. EMacs was free and full featured.

      RMS Success fell on EMacs. If he decided a different license he would still be well known and a visionary as his success really hangs on Emacs. Without EMacs and GCC the GNU would just be an academic problem.

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    15. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... who are all emacs users. Coincidence? I think not.

    16. Re:What about emacs by wiredog · · Score: 1

      Pico!

    17. Re:What about emacs by nametaken · · Score: 1

      I doubt the moderator was disagreeing over emacs. They are probably only vaguely familiar with the running vi vs. emacs jokes and thinks it's about starting a real fight. Hence the "Flamebait" mod.

      Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

    18. Re:What about emacs by FreeFuture · · Score: 1, Informative

      You're right. Not many people know that he is actually a recipient of the Grace Murray Hopper Award, which is usually considered the younger cousin of the Turing Award.
      http://awards.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=9380313&srt=all&aw=145&ao=GMHOPPER&yr=1990

    19. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, "Open Source" was a coin termed in 1997 by Eric S Raymond. However, I believe that calling it open source harms the cause of the free software movement as it takes the focus away from the political issues of the freedom and privacy that free software provides.

      It is not so much about cost, as you can actually sell free software. It is about the fact that it respects your freedom and privacy, unlike proprietary software which uses Digital Restrictions Management, crippleware and antifeatures. This is becoming an increasing problem. Take for example the recent issue with Ubisoft requiring a constant internet connection to play a PC game, even in single player mode.

      I reject proprietary software. It is a danger to our freedoms. I firmly believe that it should be banned from all government institutions, including public schools.

    20. Re:What about emacs by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Only emacs users go to Hell. All other sins are forgiveable.

      Funny you should say that. I’d have thought they were being punished enough in this life.

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    21. Re:What about emacs by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      GPL is cool but I think emacs was his greatest accomplishment. At least technical accomplishment.

      Whoever modded this flamebait needs to have their privileges revoked.

      Are you saying that any mention of either vi or emacs isn’t flamebait? Here? On Slashdot?

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    22. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Actually, "Open Source" was a coin termed in 1997 by Eric S Raymond.

      That's highly arguable. The term itself predates ESR's efforts. What is certain is that ESR chose to apply that term in a very specific way to the exclusion of other existing terms for the same concept.

      P.S. "coin termed"??

    23. Re:What about emacs by ari_j · · Score: 1

      There is a problem with your comment. By saying, "Slashdot is working as it's supposed to. You can relax now," you imply that there is a logical connection between these two things. Experience has shown that relaxation and Slashdot mix nearly as well as oil and water.

    24. Re:What about emacs by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      as a way to screw them for taking code

      Perhaps that was a motive. But if it is, should it be characterized that way? You might as well say that people who don't buy movies are "screwing" movie producers. Even if they never watch movies-- never pirate them, go to theaters, or even see them while visiting friends. Or that the police are "screwing" criminals whenever they make an arrest. If anyone writes useful software and gives it away, some business "opportunity" is "lost". That's crazy thinking, based on a fundamentally unsound business model.

      The truer characterization is that an underhanded rent-seeking scheme was foiled, or punished. The scheme may have been legal, but it sure wasn't ethical. I have no sympathy whatever for the perps. It only takes one effort for any capable programmer to make another alternative. Business people will have to get over that eventually. Neither monopolization of ideas, or of copies, can be a viable long term business. We want business conducted fairly and honestly. Limits will always be probed, and scoundrels will still try to pull off evil schemes, and even win praise and admiration when they are successful particularly if they've hoodwinked everyone into thinking they're honest. But we ought to make it as difficult as possible, for the sake of society, and sure don't need to be letting rent seeking schemes work, and even backing them with enforcement activities, or pushing public perceptions with name calling like "piracy" and that "screwing" word you used. I call it Justice.

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    25. Re:What about emacs by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 1

      Nah, vi is better.

      Real programmers use butterflies.

    26. Re:What about emacs by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Well you may be differences but the rabid RMS followers feel that selling software is immoral. The really bad ones will the use it to justify piracy or if you must violation of the authors distribution license. Then try to pretend that they are being noble when they simply want Left4Dead but don't want to pay for it.
      My opinion is that GPL is great but that people still have the right to not release their code under it.

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    27. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad that's settled. Now we can all get on with our lives.

    28. Re:What about emacs by swillden · · Score: 1

      My opinion is that GPL is great but that people still have the right to not release their code under it.

      That is also Stallman's opinion. What is your disagreement with him?

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    29. Re:What about emacs by V!NCENT · · Score: 1

      Everybody knows Ed is the-...

      Ah fsck it...

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    30. Re:What about emacs by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      nicolas.kassis didn't mention vi. He said that emacs was a great accomplishment. Any emacs vs vi implication is in your head.

    31. Re:What about emacs by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      That all closed source software is "immoral"
      I see it as a way to finance development.
      It costs money to develop software. Not all software development by the "customize and support" methode that a lot of open source projects can use.
      I feel their is room for both Open Source and Closed. RMS doesn't.

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    32. Re:What about emacs by chromas · · Score: 1

      A nice reply might compare Emacs with anything else he or the FSF accomplished, which doesn't include vi.

    33. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 1

      The first person to reply did so to state that Vi is better than Emacs. It's not in my head, it actually happened.
      OP may not have intended to start that flamewar, but it's an entirely reasonable postion for 1 of the 5 people who moderated the post to think that he did.
      Maybe he had a serious point and wanted to see if he could start a small flamewar, we don't know, but there's something about the construction of the post which feels a little 'off' for starting a discussion. For instance, he gives no reasons WHY Emacs is a greater accomplishment than GCC, or inventing the GPL, or any of those. It's just a bare praise of Emacs, the sort of statement guaranteed to create a flamewar around here - it's not surprising, or worthy of criticism, that one moderator thought that it was primarily intended to stir up controversy.

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    34. Re:What about emacs by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I think that Campagnolo bicycle components are fantastic. Flame away.

    35. Re:What about emacs by swillden · · Score: 1

      That all closed source software is "immoral"

      Yes, he does believe that.

      I agree with you on that, but it doesn't lower my opinion of Stallman. Important ideas often require extremists to push them. More "reasonable" people won't make the effort required.

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    36. Re:What about emacs by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Other people wrote most of emacs including the original standalone version. The GPL and sticking to it (even allowing emacs to fork and not killing off the other branch) is a greater accomplishment.

    37. Re:What about emacs by wrook · · Score: 1

      the rabid RMS followers feel that selling software is immoral. The really bad ones will the use it to justify piracy or if you must violation of the authors distribution license. Then try to pretend that they are being noble when they simply want Left4Dead but don't want to pay for it.

      I don't believe that followers of RMS have this point of view. If I am to take the phrase "rabid" to mean someone who evangelically endorses RMS's position without questioning it (I suppose that's what you mean), then I have a very hard time imagining someone who could possibly endorse what you say.

      The most "rabid" of RMS's "followers" routinely purge their computers of software that isn't free. They won't even use Adobe flash and instead use free software alternatives that don't work as well. They use ogg theora instead of mpeg4 because they don't want to help out people who patent software. They wouldn't touch Left4Dead with a ten foot pole. They are the kind of people who, if instructed to file their taxes using free-as-in-beer but not free-as-in-speech software, they would rather go to jail.

      I don't know who the people you're talking about are, but they must be ridiculously self-delusional to pretend to follow a set of ideals and then do the exact opposite. Characterizing them as "followers" of RMS is rather ridiculous. It would be like saying I follow the Pope but only in insofar as I worship the devil.

      People get all bent out of shape because RMS thinks non-free software is immoral. If I buy a piece of software that isn't free and it doesn't work, I'm at the mercy of the guy who sold it to me. Even though I have the ability to fix it myself, they guy who sold it to me won't let me, because he can make more money by keeping me helpless. He might even say that I'm only allowed to use the software for certain purposes and if I want to use it for other purposes I have to pay him more money. Or he might just say, tough luck, I don't want you to be able to do that. Once you buy software you often have a technical lock-in too (proprietary file formats, etc, etc). By buying into it, I am letting that guy decide what I will be able to do in the future.

      Well, caveat emptor, right? If you agree to buy into such a crappy situation, it sucks to be you. With such a situation, the vendor is putting themselves in a better position than the customer. And it is their right to do so, of course. As long as what they do is legal, they have a perfect right to extract as much money and power as they can. As software becomes more and more integral to the operation of a normal life, vendors can exert more and more control over consumers. It gets to the point where the distributor for a movie can tell me exactly what hardware I must purchase to watch the movie, even though there is no technical reason for it.

      But what if I don't want to live in a society where vendors treat their customers that way? What if I want to live in a society where the customer is on an equal footing as the vendor. If I get fed up with the vendor, I can choose another one. Or if I can even just do it myself if I want. If I don't want to buy one vendor's hardware, I can write the software to do what I want on another vendor's hardware. Really, I want to live in this society. So I choose free software.

      But caveat emptor right? Buyer beware. It sucks for all those other people who choose not to live that way. But how much choice do they really have? If it were not for RMS and the FSF, there might not have even been a choice. A lot of people get lured into giving up their equal standing with the vendor, and then they are technically locked in. Wouldn't it have been nicer of the vendors to voluntarily treat their customers as equals? Isn't it kind of crappy that they don't? In that way, I can see the moral argument.

      Personally, I don't worry about it. I believe that if freedom is really desired by the people, they will eventually take it. People like RMS and the FSF give those people a chance. I believe that people will take it because freedom is an added value. It's a value that non-free software can't and won't give. Eventually that value will win out. (Well, here's hoping)

    38. Re:What about emacs by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I found most extremists to be more harmful than helpful. Let's take examples of two extremists.
      They are extremist FOSS supporters.
      One writes coded for for a FOSS project and helps people when they have issues with Open Software.

      The other gets on Slashdot and posts about how evil closed source is and then hits pirates bay for the latest movies and video games.
      The problem is that the first is rare while the second are as common a cockroaches and just as pleasant.

      I can take devoted but polite which in my dealings RMS was.
      I can not deal with arrogant hypocritical idiots all that well.

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    39. Re:What about emacs by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      You have never seen someone that pirates in the name of RMS?
      Wow you must not read Slashdot much.

      If you really believe that you should only use FOSS then be my guest. I personally believe that is impossible in the modern world. At some point if you drive a car, use a microwave, or watch TV you will use and or own closed source code.

      Most users even ones that program do not fix bugs.
      I have a few times but even for me it is rare that I will have the time to do more than make a bug report. Just like you do with closed source.

      Even if you try to make the effort to used only FOSS on your pc what about the BIOS?
      Did you replace that with the a FOSS BIOS?
      What about your video controller? The microcode on the CPU?

      I am also anti elitism and smugness.
      I do like and support FOSS including contributing code to FOSS projects.
      I use Linux as my main OS at home and try to help people leave the mess that is Windows and to stop paying for expensive software they don't need.
      But Heck yea I will put Flash on for them so they can use all the Flash games on the web and watch Hulu.

      Why? Because it is better for them to have a good experience and not go back to paying for Windows, office, and anti-virus software then it is for them to be pure.
      And if they must use a piece of software that only runs under Windows? Then I set them up the best I can under Windows with Firefox, Thunderbird, OO.org, and GIMP so that they can move if a good replacement is ever available.
      Or if they are a little tech savy I might hook them up with VituralBox and let them run Windows on.

      This whole wrapping the FOSS with the idea of freedom is just over the top really. Freedom is about choice. If I choose to pay for closed source software because it is better then the open source solution then that is freedom.
      If I choose to write FOSS and give it away that is also Freedom.

      What isn't freedom is the idea that if I don't live the way you think is right I am not free.

      You are free to not use or right closed source software. Be my guest but I hate to tell you will have to stop posting on Slashdot.
      You see Slash is FOSS but Slashdot uses a proprietary theme and some proprietary plug ins according to Wikipedia.
      If that isn't out of date then by posing on Slashdot you are using Closed Source software.

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    40. Re:What about emacs by melikamp · · Score: 1

      the rabid RMS followers feel that selling software is immoral ... they simply want Left4Dead but don't want to pay for it ...

      Hahaha, keep talking out of your ass, buddy, it's funny. RMS must have said, like, 1000 times that monetizing software is not immoral. You don't even understand what he is saying, much less why it's helping you. And conflating free software initiative with breaking copyright is also golden, right out of RIAA's playbook. Nevermind that rabid RMS followers would not touch either Windows or Left4Dead with a 13-foot pole.

      Keep the flames going.

    41. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://xkcd.com/378/

    42. Re:What about emacs by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 1

      That must be a common flame-war topic which has passed me by...

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    43. Re:What about emacs by swillden · · Score: 1

      I don't think your second example is an extremist -- meaning someone who cares deeply, even excessively, about an issue. Rather, that sort is just an immature blowhard who likes to spout off but obviously doesn't really care about the issues at all.

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    44. Re:What about emacs by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Ha ha.
      No RMS wouldn't pirate Left4Dead.
      There is a group of clueless people that use FOSS and the ideas behind the GPL for a misguided excuse to pirate.
      You will see things like "Information must be free" and other such nonsense.
      And you are correct they do not get it.
      If you are really militant pro gpl and FOSS then you would never pirate. Using closed source software even if you pay for it would be counter to your ideas.
      I do believe that even RMS says he will use Closed Source when their isn't an open alternative but I could be wrong on that.

      If you wish change rabid to "stupid misguided" or even "stupid hypocritical" supporters you may. But I in no way was trying to say that the group of which I was speaking was an all inclusive set of the people that follow RMS.
      On a personal note I am not really comfortable with people that are comfortable calling themselves followers of any person that that is another subject.

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    45. Re:What about emacs by melikamp · · Score: 1

      Most of what you just said stands to reason, but I still have an issue with

      If you are really militant pro gpl and FOSS then you would never pirate. Using closed source software even if you pay for it would be counter to your ideas.

      Again, unrelated issues. Pro-FOSS and pro-copyleft means that proprietary software is inferior and that we should use the copyright law in order to build a hedge around the public domain. RMS thinks that even as much as using the proprietary software is unethical, but I think he is in the minority there, and this view should not be painted as mainstream. On top of that, RMS would probably agree that breaking the copyright law may in some instances be ethical (like, for all non-commercial uses to start with), while clearly illegal. So no, being a spokesperson for FOSS and GPL does not require one to think that we should give out or to respect monopolies on pure ideas.

    46. Re:What about emacs by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I would not say that being FOSS alone makes a program better. If the program doesn't function or do the job required it is not better.
      A good example is Solidworks. I have not found any FOSS software that works as well as Solidworks or can replace it.
      I would love to find a free program that does since Solidworks is so expensive.
      Frankly a FOSS world class 3d Cad system like Solidworks or ProE would probably benefit more people that just about any FOSS program yet created. But there are none.
      Another example that is less critical is FSX and X-Plane. FlightGear is the FOSS version of a flight sim but frankly it just isn't as good as those two.
      As to violating software licenses agreements or as it is commonly called piracy.
      Every time someone pirates they are actually hurting FOSS. When someone pirates a piece of software they are saying "this program is too valuable to live without but I am not going to pay for it." All that does is weakens that idea that FOSS is better and strengthens the argument for stronger DRM.
      Because if something is so valuable that you break the law to get it then all you need to do to get more profit is make it too hard to copy.

      So I disagree with you there. When you violate someone's license you are weakening the argument that FLOSS is better.

      But that is must my opinion and my logic behind it.

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    47. Re:What about emacs by melikamp · · Score: 1

      Every time someone pirates they are actually hurting FOSS. When someone pirates a piece of software they are saying "this program is too valuable to live without but I am not going to pay for it."

      I mostly agree, and especially for software examples you've given. If I may just add a little exception: games. Even RMS believes that proprietary games are comparable in "goodness" to free games, since their value is almost purely subjective and they fall under entertainment rather than utility.

    48. Re:What about emacs by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      So as you can see I was not talking out of my butt as you sort of put it.
      I was using rabid to represent a different class of users than you thought.

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  2. Dear Richard, by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thank you.

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    1. Re:Dear Richard, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Thank you.

      Agreed, the man should win the Nobel Peace prize.

    2. Re:Dear Richard, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, I concur. Thank you very much, Mr. Stallman. Good job, sir.

      The world desperately needs more ethically capable leaders, such as yourself.

    3. Re:Dear Richard, by icebraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. Thanks, Mr. Stallman and all the good people at the FSF and FSF Europe.

    4. Re:Dear Richard, by zoward · · Score: 1

      Seconded. Happy Birthday FSF!

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    5. Re:Dear Richard, by Toze · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Thank you, Mr. Stallman.

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    6. Re:Dear Richard, by oldhack · · Score: 1

      And take a bath. 25 years is a long time to go without.

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    7. Re:Dear Richard, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      p.s. You've got food in your beard.

    8. Re:Dear Richard, by tsa · · Score: 1

      Yep, thank you RMS! You made the world a better place.

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    9. Re:Dear Richard, by openfrog · · Score: 1

      I join my voice to the chorus. Thank you!

    10. Re:Dear Richard, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, thank you.

    11. Re:Dear Richard, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ethically capable? Not wanting companies to be *able* to provide value-added features in proprietary software?

    12. Re:Dear Richard, by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unfortunately, he is disqualified from the Nobel Peace Prize since he actually produced results.

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    13. Re:Dear Richard, by multisync · · Score: 1

      Yes, thank you Richard Stallman. Thank you for the GPL, for GCC and for your continued advocacy for the rights of the user.

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    14. Re:Dear Richard, by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we arent speaking the same language, but when I see "Value-Added features" when relating to proprietary software, I immediately think "It will spam the shit out of me with adverts, and then sell my personal information behind my back."

      If by "Value Added", you mean "inclusion of our super proprietary, patented, and trademarked process!", then I would counter by saying that such "added value" is designed to destroy or thwart competition since it actively uses political and legal means to suppress alternative implementations of the same conceptual ideal. The subversion of competition is harmful to both the market at large and to the consumer, benefiting only lawyers and corporate CEOs, since it promotes stagnation and inflationary price spirals due to monopolies.

      I accept that a counter argument would be that allowing unregulated competition would result in tyranny against creators, which is exactly WHY we have copyright, Patents, and pals-- the problem is that this regulation has been captured, and now no longer serves its original purpose. Considering the development timetable for new, innovative features in software-- a 5 year patent for software only ideas would be barely tolerable, but much more so than the completely "insanely intolerable" 20+ year patents that they currently enjoy in the US. In 20 years, computers have gone from something that can barely eek out 20mhz with less than 2mb of RAM, to systems with multiple 2ghz cores and several gigabytes of RAM; in short, more than 4 hardware generations have come and gone in that time; trying to hold software to such an extended timetable is ludicrous, since the rate of turnover is getting SHORTER, not longer. It would be like automotive manufacturers patenting gravity based spacewarp engines, while the patents on buggy whips JUST now are expiring.

      In light of this, I accept RMS's contributions and defiance against these captured regulatory systems, because those contributions and that very same defiance helps to push the current state of affairs back toward a more sensible solution.

      Props Richard, Props.

  3. the license? really? by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

    I'd have voted for GCC instead, but whatever.

  4. Hrmph by egibster · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hate this article because I completely agree with it. I hate you.

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  5. The real question... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Which came first, the Foundation or the Beard?

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    1. Re:The real question... by rvw · · Score: 3, Funny

      Which came first, the Foundation or the Beard?

      BEER!

  6. The GPL is the most important.... by GPLDAN · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...license or legal construction In the history of computing. Easily. It's not even close.



    The Open Source movement owes its existence to it. Many a intellectual property lawsuit has been decided by it.

    1. Re:The GPL is the most important.... by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The GPL is the most important license or legal construction In the history of computing. Easily. It's not even close.

      No. Whoever invented the EULA and figured out that software should be licensed instead of sold was a far more important legal construction. That move changed the entire industry to such an extent that almost no software is sold these days. The GPL is only modestly important compared to that monumental legal change.

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    2. Re:The GPL is the most important.... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      License yes, legal construction... well, I don't know it really applies but the whole construction that practically all copyrighted software is licensed, unlike a copyrighted book that is sold is probably the single most important legal clusterfuck ever. If your car manufacturer told you what roads you can drive on, what gas stations to tank at, where to get it serviced while forbidding you to use other spare parts, welding the hood down, refusing to let you sell it and has a kill switch there'd be arevolution. But the software industry pulled it off, you now constantly click on EULAs that say "all your base are belong to us". Sorry RMS, but that really dwarfs all the FSF has managed to do.

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    3. Re:The GPL is the most important.... by arielCo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The GPL is the most beneficial license or legal construction In the history of computing.

      RealityMaster above may be right - the limited, non-transferable EULA is terribly important right now; the GPL is a sane[r] alternative. Don't ask me about the "freer" BSD license - I haven't made my mind up about that.

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    4. Re:The GPL is the most important.... by lotho+brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Totally agree. FSF laid the foundation of tools for anyone to use to produce cool stuff. It'd have been very hard to get started with proprietary compilers and libraries. They're expensive, and they're all different.

    5. Re:The GPL is the most important.... by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      A great part of the work for the Dark Side was done by a single individual as well. Please read about the big campaign led by our beloved Bill and his "Open Letter to Hobbyists".

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    6. Re:The GPL is the most important.... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Don't ask me about the "freer" BSD license - I haven't made my mind up about that.

      Food for your thoughts then...

      The BSD license is primarily concerned with the freedom of software developers and distributors while the GPL's primary concern is the freedom of the end user, Which group you think is more important will probably determine which license you favor.

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    7. Re:The GPL is the most important.... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      He wanted people not to pirate his software. How is that "the Dark Side"?

    8. Re:The GPL is the most important.... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Everyone's an end user, some end users are developers, some end users are distributors, all developers are end users.*

      Seems straightforward to me.

      *Unless you programmed your computer from scratch with switches, Altair style.

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  7. Director of the AI Lab? by No.+24601 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Citation, please? I think he worked there and was probably their most famous programmer. But besides that I don't think he held an executive position at that lab.

    1. Re:Director of the AI Lab? by trb · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not to diss Stallman, but he was not the director of the AI Lab, and it's hard to say he was their most famous hacker at that time - the AI Lab spawned many great hackers, and especially then, during the early years of Symbolics and LMI. The most famous AI Lab hackers were LISP hackers (at that time - remember, it was a AI Lab.) Gerald Sussman, Guy Steele, JonL White, David Moon, et al.

    2. Re:Director of the AI Lab? by KlomDark · · Score: 5, Funny

      Never heard of any of those guys. Stallman wins.

    3. Re:Director of the AI Lab? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never heard of any of those guys. Stallman wins.

      You've never heard of Gerald Sussman. Really.

      Please hand in your Geek Card at the front desk. Have a nice day.

    4. Re:Director of the AI Lab? by plasticsquirrel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, but Stallman was also doing a great amount of Lisp Machine work for LMI. Specifically, Symbolics was trying to shake off a prior agreement to share code with LMI. Stallman duplicated the new features from scratch for LMI, working around the clock. I believe he was their main programmer at the time. He didn't make Lisp history like the others did with Scheme or Common Lisp, but he was deeply a Lisp guy at that time, and wanted the GNU system to support two languages: C and Lisp. In fact, GNU Emacs was written because he wanted a powerful editor, and knew that Lisp was the best way to accomplish that extensibility. Now systems running GNU (Linux) use so many different languages that people have almost forgotten about the Lisp side of things, sadly.

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    5. Re:Director of the AI Lab? by trb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think he worked there and was probably their most famous programmer.

      it's hard to say he was their most famous hacker at that time

      Never heard of any of those guys. Stallman wins.

      Yes, he is their most famous hacker now, in 2010. The context of the discussion is 1985. At that time, he was not their most famous hacker.

    6. Re:Director of the AI Lab? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Stallman's own words (http://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html) he notes that Professor [Patrick Henry] Winston was the head of the AI Lab in 1984.

      Winston's CV (http://people.csail.mit.edu/phw/vitae.html) indicates that he was the director from 1972-1997.

  8. I disagree by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    His most important contribution is GNU Hurd - it's the gift that keeps on giving.

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    1. Re:I disagree by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I don't see how that can be, since he has yet to actually contribute Hurd yet.

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  9. I feel like... by WED+Fan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looking at the bearded one, holiness to his name, I feel like I need a bath.

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    1. Re:I feel like... by openfrog · · Score: 0

      He, you're lucky today: modded +5 funny on Slashdot with a joke worthy of an elementary schoolyard brat.

    2. Re:I feel like... by WED+Fan · · Score: 1

      O.k., so in other words, you've got nothing. You're really torn up that 1 person modded me funny? You know, it doesn't add karma, right? You've got issues.

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  10. GCC by schmidt349 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a hard time believing that anything RMS is even partially responsible for is anywhere near as important as GCC, from its humble beginnings as a replacement for CC on UNIX to its present juggernaut Compiler Collection.

    Thanks Richard for leaving your fingerprints on all of my object files! GCC is the awesome.

    1. Re:GCC by kenh · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      EMACS was another of his "children," and a valuable contribution...

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    2. Re:GCC by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      GCC would not be important today at all without the license, because it would be proprietary software, therefore the license trumps it in my opinion. They are kinda two faces of the same coin though. Without GCC, the GPL probably would have never taken off at all.

      So he's got two huge contributions, a lot of big ones (Linux was just GNU with Torvald's kernel at first), and then a bunch of crazy wacko rants.

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    3. Re:GCC by jc42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have a hard time believing that anything RMS is even partially responsible for is anywhere near as important as GCC, from its humble beginnings as a replacement for CC on UNIX to its present juggernaut Compiler Collection.

      There is an important symbiotic relationship between the GPL and the GCC. (And also with other "free" software tools, but the GCC is a good poster child.) One explanation came up in a number of projects that I worked on at Digital back in the 1980s and early 1990s. The question kept coming up there of why DEC supplied a number of BSD-based unix OSs, but not Sys/V. They had Sys/V ported internally, and provided it for a few customers that asked, but they didn't much market it. The explanation that kept coming up was that DEC's lawyers had looked into Sys/V software (with some engineers' help, of course), and had noted that the binaries all contained AT&T copyright notices, usually many copies that were inside various library routines. They suggested that, although the courts hadn't ever decided the status of such copyright claims, it was possible that AT&T could use these embedded strings to claim legal ownership of any software that they wanted. Thus, building your products on AT&T software was risking a court case that might give everything to AT&T.

      Since then, I've worked on a number of projects at other companies whose lawyers use a similar argument for why they should use GCC rather than any proprietary compilers and libraries. Again, the legal status isn't clear. This means that you're taking a chance that any binaries produced by proprietary tools or using proprietary libraries could become legally the property of the companies that own the compilers or libraries. The GCC license makes it clear that, if you use GCC, you don't have to worry about this. It's about the only C compiler that provides such safety. We've read versions of this argument in the explanation of why google pushed for the Android platform, as a way of keeping their own software free from takeover by Microsoft or Apple (or AT&T or Comcast or ...).

      This isn't a trivial concern. There are growing attempts to use "intellectual property" to take control of the work done by others. Look into how Apple now controls the software that runs on many of their devices such as the iPhone and iPad. Look at how Amazon controls what can be on the kindle, to the point of reaching out and deleting content that customers have bought. We even read here some time back that Microsoft is getting patents on some XML encodings, something we thought was beyond such takeovers because XML is a "public" standard.

      The GPL in its various forms is one of the few tools we have to fight such control by the industry giants. Figuring out how to use the copyright laws to fight the slow privatization of what used to be public "intellectual" space was an important legal development. It's about the only thing we have left (at least in the US) that protects the efforts of individuals against the legal power of big corporations. So we should be encouraging the people who work on legal tools like this, at least if we want a society in which it remains legal for private individuals to work on anything that involves software.

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    4. Re:GCC by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      I do not think such a legal case would stick. Electronics Arts had a lawsuit some decades back where they claimed they owned all the art created by people using Deluxe Paint belong to them and they lost.

  11. Happy birthday to you, by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Happy birthday to you,
    Happy birthday, dear Richard,
    Happy bir- COPYRIGHT VIOLATION DETECTED - TRANSMISSION TERMINATED

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    1. Re:Happy birthday to you, by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Interesting

      According to the wikipedia article you linked, Wendy Williams owes $700 to WB when she & her audience sang the song. Meanwhile in Canada WB and other members of the CRIA owe nearly a billion dollars for using songs on "best of" albums without paying the original artists.

      "One law for the commoners; one law for the masters."

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    2. Re:Happy birthday to you, by multisync · · Score: 2, Funny

      Happy birthday to you

      Shouldn't that be "Happy birthday to GNU?"

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  12. Happy Birthday! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congratulations, GNU!

  13. shouldn't it be... by signingis · · Score: 1

    GNU/FSF?

    /me ducks

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    1. Re:shouldn't it be... by flam3boy · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't We Be Celebrating?

    2. Re:shouldn't it be... by melikamp · · Score: 3, Funny

      (eval (car (setq gnu '(gnu is not unix))))
      (gnu is not unix)

  14. Uhm, no! by kenh · · Score: 5, Informative

    " He had been the director of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Artificial Intelligence Lab.?

    He was a system administrator, not the director of the lab! Minsky, Papert, et al didn't report to him...

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    1. Re:Uhm, no! by kenh · · Score: 4, Informative

      " Tired of seeing software that he and others had written appropriated (without acknowledgment or compensation) by disreputable software companies and then told to pay for software they had written, Stallman took action, creating the foundation."

      That doesn't seem right either - I thought the driving issue was the need to pay a fee to access driver software to modify it to use a product they already bought (I think it was a printer) - as I recall the issue was that software licenses were getting in the way of him doing the work he needed to do. He wasn't against paying for needed software, but in this case (his "tipping point"), but he was being required to pay to fix software he'd already paid for since the the manufacturer wouldn't/couldn't make it work.

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    2. Re:Uhm, no! by just_another_sean · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's what I remember reading here in Chapter 1: For Want of a Printer.

      Stallman had subsequently written a large number of GNU tools, but the license was his most important contribution.

      Says the vi user who never wrote a line of code in his life! ;-)

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  15. Happy b-day! by schnikies79 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now get rid of Stallman and I will actively support you.

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    1. Re:Happy b-day! by openfrog · · Score: 1

      Now get rid of Stallman and I will actively support you.

      Haha, just like Apple needed to get rid of Steve Jobs in order to grow...

      Get used to it, the guy has his character and it is part of the deal.
      You need to have a thick skin when you go out and entertain to slay dragons.

  16. Re:And it never would have amounted to anything... by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nope. The GNU tools were already being used to augment commercial Unixen and as a foundation for bootstrapping the development environments of alternate hardware platforms like video game consoles. Free Software was already making it's mark before Linux came along. Many of us were exposed to the GNU tools first and then to Linux later.

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  17. Re:Fuck you, Stallman. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    The next time you consume some of Hollywood's "product", you will likely be taking advantage of his legacy.

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  18. Dogma by bigredradio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bethany: What is Stallman like?

    Rufus: He likes to listen to people talk. I remember the old days when we were sittin' around the computer lab. You know, whenever we were goin' on about unimportant shit, He'd always have a smile on his face. His only real beef with programmers is the shit that gets carried out His name. Wars. Bigotry. Mobile Operating Systems. The big one though, is the factioning of the distros. He said, "Linux got it all wrong by takin' a good idea and building a belief structure out of it."

    Bethany: So you're saying that having beliefs is a bad thing?

    Rufus: I just think it's better to have an idea. You can change an idea; changing a belief is trickier. People die for it, people kill for it. The whole of Free software is in jeopardy right now because of the Open Source belief system in this software as a service bullshit. RedHat and SuSE, whether they know it or not, are exploiting that belief, and if they're successful, you, me, all of this ends in a heartbeat. All over a belief.

    1. Re:Dogma by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You, Sir, deserve mod points.

      I at the very least owe you a coke.

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    2. Re:Dogma by openfrog · · Score: 1

      I am really getting tired of this half-assed theory of this being a 'belief' and the implications thereoff, and subsequent appeal to reasonableness.
      You just hear these assertions, never substantiated by anything but inuendo and anecdotes.
      In any movement of this scale, you will have debates about its orientation, tactics, strategy, etc.
      And you will have people who will think strongly about this. So what?...

      Just repeating a lie, aren't you?

    3. Re:Dogma by bigredradio · · Score: 1

      Duck! There is a joke flying over your head.

  19. Free Software by Max_W · · Score: 0

    If it were not for free software the PhotoShop would cost not 999 USD, 9999 USD, IIS would cost about 100 grands, etc.

    We would have to perform computing with permission of high priests by a code resembling liturgies.

    Debatably the free software is not as sophisticated as commercial software, but it is straightforward.

    There is a historical parallel. In 30s the FBI was relatively small in numbers, and not that well trained. They've made a lot of errors, but still they could win over gangsters because they did not take bribes; they were honest and straightforward.

    1. Re:Free Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If it were not for free software the PhotoShop would cost not 999 USD, 9999 USD, IIS would cost about 100 grands, etc.

      Don't be absurd. Photoshop 1.0 cost $1000 circa 1990, and it had zero open source competition. It had commercial competition, which it actually undercut in price, because it was marketed more in the prosumer segment than as a pure professionals-only tool.

      If Adobe tried to jack the price of Photoshop up to $10K, someone would clone its features in a commercial product and undercut them. Free software is absolutely not necessary to keep commercial software prices under control. Same thing applies to IIS.

      We would have to perform computing with permission of high priests by a code resembling liturgies.

      Debatably the free software is not as sophisticated as commercial software, but it is straightforward.

      Nonsense. Free software has done basically nothing to demystify software for average users. It's funny that you mentioned Photoshop, because its anointed free software competition, "the Gimp", is like a poster child for pointlessly user-hostile free software. Free software fanatics have been blabbing for probably a decade now about the Gimp, and it's still an afterthought. I guarantee you Adobe doesn't see it as realistic competition at all.

  20. Stallman For President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and while you're at it, write in Mr. Nader for VP.

    Wouldn't that be some great governance!

    http://www.votenader.org/

    1. Re:Stallman For President by Darkness404 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Not really, while I admire the FSF and admire Stallman for his code contribution, a Nader/Stallman ticket would be disastrous for the country. Especially the Nader part. Straight from his website he endorses racism in the form of affirmative action. Affirmative action is nothing more than basic racism, choosing someone because of their race or gender in order to fulfill a bullshit dream of "increasing diversity". Unless you believe that minorities are incapable of being as qualified as white people or women more incapable compared to men, you shouldn't support affirmative action, you should instead choose to have free-market solutions where everyone is level and people are chosen because of their qualifications, not excluding a white male with superior credentials in order to take a black female with fewer qualifications. Nader also mistakenly believes that government can be a solution for problems when historically governments have just made bad situations worse. Nader also maintains a laughable belief in moving away from safe, effective nuclear energy with more subsidies for solar energy despite nuclear power being more safe and cost-effective. He also proposes adding in new taxes which would slow down an already stagnating economy, etc.

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    2. Re:Stallman For President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affirmative action is nothing more than basic racism, choosing someone because of their race or gender in order to fulfill a bullshit dream of "increasing diversity".

      Typical misrepresentation of affirmative action by an actual bigot.
      Take a look at what affirmative action in the USA actually means:

      "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin"
      Executive Order 10925 - Establishing The President's Committee On Equal Employment Opportunity
      http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/history/35th/thelaw/eo-10925.html

      "to promote the full realization of equal employment opportunity through a positive, continuing program in each executive department and agency"
      Executive Order 11246--Equal employment opportunity
      http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/11246.html

      Posted AC because I don't feel like taking the karma hit for speaking truth to off-topic stupidity.

    3. Re:Stallman For President by Darkness404 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Look at what Ralph Nader says on his website which determines what he believes. ( http://www.votenader.org/issues/social/affirmative-action/ )

      A good affirmative action program uses a variety of methods to achieve the goal of increasing diversity, including using race and gender as one of many factors in evaluating the suitability of an applicant.

      Now, anytime you include "race and gender as one of many factors in evaluating the suitability of an applicant" that is racism right there.

      Race and gender shouldn't matter it should be equal and should be based solely on qualifications.

      More structural solutions are required to promote economic and educational equality, including a long overdue and practical Marshall Plan to eliminate poverty in the United States, and an education-focused restitution trust fund.

      In other words, Nader is comparing war-ravaged Europe to the mentality of minorities. That simply by being a minority they need extra assistance in getting an education. How is that not racist?

      Any time you use race to determine how much you are going to give someone as a scholarship, that right there is racist, especially when you are using taxpayer funds to do that.

      At the federal level, authentic minority set-asides and affirmative-action arrangements are a modest way to support the growth of businesses owned and controlled by people of color. Affirmative action is a modest means for businesses to redress historic discrimination. Affirmative action at universities is an important tool to promote campus diversity and educational equality.

      Again, Nader is using racist language. This idea of "diversity" being a huge goal is simply racist rhetoric. It sounds more or less like Animal Farm "All men are created equal, but some men are created more equal than others".

      Nader is either saying one of two things here, he is either saying that non-minority races have little to add to society or he is saying that minority races, given an equal playing field have no chance because they can never get enough qualifications to fairly compete with non-minorities.

      The Justice Department should intervene to oppose judicial rulings against affirmative action in higher education and other spheres.

      And here again, Nader is arguing in favor of racism demanding that any rules against racism be struck down.

      Based on his own website, I think it is safe to say that Nader's view of affirmative action is racist.

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    4. Re:Stallman For President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affirmative action is just trying to get a level playing field.

      But let me guess, you are white and middle class and eager to keep those advantages that an accident of birth has dealt you? And screw those less fortunate than you.

    5. Re:Stallman For President by Darkness404 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No affirmative action does not level the playing field. The only way that someone would think that affirmative action levels a playing field is if they were racist and believe that minorities cannot compete based on qualifications alone.

      What levels the playing field is employment based solely on qualifications, totally ignoring race. Same thing with education and the like.

      If we really want to take racism out of the equation, we shouldn't use race as a basis for anything, but affirmative action is not like that, affirmative action is simply racism because you give preferential treatment to someone based solely on their birth. Affirmative action takes the statement "All men are created equal" and turns it into "All men are created equal but some men are created more equal than others".

      So long as affirmative action remains, racism will remain.

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    6. Re:Stallman For President by viperblades · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you've noticed , but the real world is racist and sexist. His views may seem to be too much, but what is the alternative you offer? Something along the lines of 'Everyone should learn..' does not count in my book. After all if everyone would learn whats best for them and society people in general would drive much safer.

      When up against an entrenched opponent one must use measures just as strong as his opponent.

    7. Re:Stallman For President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on his own website, I think it is safe to say that Nader's view of affirmative action is racist.

      But you painted with a much broader brush and said that affirmative action - not just his interpretation, which by the way is mitigated by much of what you left out - is racism. And that is a viewpoint which is not supported by the facts of the law, as previously cited.

      Furthermore, the problem with your viewpoint is that it does nothing to solve the current problem. You are like the people who are opposed to gay marriage who say "the government has no business being involved in marriage" but instead of working to dismantle all government involvement in marriage they only actually act on preventing gay marriage. It is just shallow cover for satisfaction with the status quo - one that is inherently racist to begin with. If you had a meaningful counter-proposal then you would have some moral authority to call Nader racist, but all you've got is the BFN - Big Fat No - which doesn't fix anything.

    8. Re:Stallman For President by Darkness404 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The thing that is broken about it is that it is racist. If we abolish affirmative action and concentrate simply on equal-opportunity employment the system is no longer racist because the system no longer differentiate between race as a primary method of choosing applicants.

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    9. Re:Stallman For President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And again you continue to paint with the broad brush that all affirmative action does is "differentiate between race as a primary method of choosing applicants" -- hell, even your own quotes of Nader's website don't support that interpretation much less the law that is on the books. Your dogma doesn't help you to convince anyone.

    10. Re:Stallman For President by KingAlanI · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I think the tendency to label an alternate political argument as something highly objectionable itself causes some problems. (Darkness404's Offtopic mods seem to be an example of this.)

      Consider radically different solutions. I’ve tired of toeing the mainstream line myself.

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    11. Re:Stallman For President by KingAlanI · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Why should he/we throw away those advantages, or just give them to somebody else instead?

      I've yet to see any satisfying practical arguments for why majority groups should support this kind of stuff, just idealistic moralizing.

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    12. Re:Stallman For President by KingAlanI · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      On affirmative action, I like phrasing along the lines of "to address the problems of the past, move on past them, rather than continue to obsessively focus upon them"

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    13. Re:Stallman For President by Darkness404 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      How doesn't it?

      A good affirmative action program uses a variety of methods to achieve the goal of increasing diversity, including using race and gender as one of many factors in evaluating the suitability of an applicant.

      Could it be more clear right there? Yeah they say its not a "primary" method of choosing applicants, but something tells me if I decided to make race a "non-primary" condition in hiring a workforce in order to "have an ethnically homogeneous workforce" I would be branded a racist, but if I do the same thing in order to create a "diverse" workplace suddenly thats not racist? Anytime you use race as a factor in choosing an applicant it is racism.

      Applicants should be chosen solely by their qualifications. If they happen to be qualified and white, black, hispanic, asian, gay, strait, female, male, transvestite, american indian, etc. then you should hire them because they are qualified not because they are white, black, hispanic, asian, gay, strait, female, male, transvestite, american indian, etc. but that isn't what affirmative action is, affirmative action is setting a higher standard for people of the majority and loosening your standards to hire minorities. It is a double standard based on race/gender/etc.

      For example, when universities offer a scholarship to increase "diversity" by, say, giving $1,000 to applicants who are latino, black or asian with a 3.5 GPA but only give a $500 scholarship for people in the majority that is just as racist as giving $1,000 to someone if they were white and only $500 if they were in the minority.

      The very goal of "increasing diversity" is a racist goal, it assumes either that without special help minorities would not be able to legitimately have just as good of qualifications as the majority or something negative about the majority.

      We should not aim to "increase diversity" but rather aim to have a fair system that puts everyone on a level playing field, which is to give preferential treatment to no one, white, black, hispanic, asian, etc. but rather completely ignore race as any part of the decision.

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    14. Re:Stallman For President by Darkness404 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I've considered affirmative action, but it solves none of the core problems of racism, its simply racist in the motivation.

      The very idea that some ethnic groups need help "leveling the playing field" implies that the majority is superior to the minority and it is in the same vein of the "white man's burden" that minorities would never achieve greatness if it wasn't for the "superiority" of the majority culture.

      If someone believes that all people are created equally without regard to race, then there is no need to support affirmative action because someone, no matter their race, could become just as qualified as the majority which also needs to work just as hard as the minorities to reach the qualifications.

      The only justification of affirmative action in 2010, is if you believe that minority races have deficiencies that the majority race does not, such as a lower-than-average intelligence or the like and would thus need more help to succeed.

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    15. Re:Stallman For President by spion666 · · Score: 0

      This is all off-topic but: You people don't understand affirmative action.

      Affirmative action is supposed to eliminate "closet racism". In theory it should work well in a society where there is a visible racial/ethnic/gender bias which is not openly expressed and still discriminates "under the hood".

      Its supposed to create a culture of (initially) fake equality where every person (no matter their race/gender/ethos) are shown to be capable of holding a certain position which would otherwise be unlikely to get to - not because they're not capable, but because they're being discriminated against.

      When future generations will take look at the world they will see a lot of examples of all kinds of people holding all kinds of positions in society. Learning by seeing is much stronger than learning by "being told" - the second method being the most prevalent method of transferring "closet racism" to the next generation. Thereby, the previously "fake" equality becomes natural equality, eliminating the need for "affirmative action" and undoing past harsh discrimination.

      Afterwards (in theory) you have a level playing field and no discrimination. From that point on employment based solely on qualifications is the next step.

      Of course, whether this is still necessary or not is debatable.

    16. Re:Stallman For President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The intent of affirmative action, should be to combat and end, practices which have the effect of, unfairly penalizing individuals, on the basis of some minority status.

      One way to easily mislead individuals (including oneself) is to take a collection of statements which are clearly related, and then furnish a false causal narrative.

      Take for example your statement ///Affirmative action takes the statement "All men are created equal" and turns it into "All men are created equal but some men are created more equal than ///others".

      Another way of looking at this is to say, "Affirmative action is a response to the practical reality that 'some men are created more equal than others'. Its aim is to help turn the ideal 'all men are created equal' into reality.

    17. Re:Stallman For President by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Here's one for you:

      A society that harbors and maintains a class disequilibrium creates by default an underclass of disenfranchised people. These are people that are every bit as "Intelligent", (but may or may not be less educated. But that is a different kettle of fish.) but are systemically prevented from advancing outside of the underclass.

      This creates a pressure cooker of boiling social tensions between the two (or more?) social classes until a revolution occurs, French Revolution style. (Also communist revolution style, but meh.)

      Naturally, it is in ANY self-preserving society's best interests to AVOID having this happen.

      THAT is why the abolition of systems and sentiments that create the volatile underclass/overclass problem is much more than just moralist preaching. It has a tangible value to the survival of a society.

  21. Twenty-five years later... by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am running Gnu-Linux on an NSLU2, a DNS-323, and a SheevaPlug. I have a free compiler on these devices.

    On another computer, I just downloaded MingW and Lighttpd (source and binary) last night.

    I remember when "free software" usually meant crippleware, and there was no way a poor kid eager to write code could get a compiler for free.

    Thanks for your vision, RMS. You changed culture and you helped the future.

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  22. Thanks RMS.. by nightfire-unique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .. for your vision, contributions, and (and I know I'm not alone in this one).. helping me establish a career.

    I make a living building and maintaining *nix hosts, and it probably wouldn't have happened if I didn't spend my childhood and teenage years playing with free software like Slackware, Debian, gcc, screen, bash, and a million other packages. Of course, a complete thank you list would be long enough to overflow my copy/paste buffer, but as this article is about GNU:

    Thank you RMS! You've inspired millions of us, and pushed humanity forward yet another step.

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  23. Without the license, GCC would have been closed by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    GCC is what it is because of the license. Without the license, it would just be another compiler most likely closed or restricted in some way. That it isn't is because of the license, not because of the code.

    To what do you attribute the Wright brothers plane? The internal combustion engine or the dream to fly? Without the engine there could have been a plane driven by say a rocket, but without the dream their would never have been a plane.

    It can be very hard to truly comprehend just how big Stallman's contribution has been. Freedom is very hard to grasp, if you are used to it.

    In another response to the story about net neutrality I linked the internet to the press and the contribution to freedom that this tech has made. But what is that contribution? The art of reproducing text quickly OR the power of the written word? The capability of human beings to pass on their thoughts to others without ever meeting them?

    Just as the chattering monkey became more human by being able to write down speech, and then more free by being able reproduce it easily and even free'er(?) by being able to transmit what he had for breakfast around the globe (oh okay so it ain't all good), the GNU, FSF etc have given us a degree of freedom that once we couldn't imagine and now can't imagine being without.

    The oldies MIGHT remember machines on which you paid for every single second of access. In which hardware was not owned but leased. Only the very powerful could own a computer and making it doing anything useful cost even more.

    Today, I can own a computer far more powerful, own it completly and use countless pieces of software for free. Not saying I have to, but I can and the fact that I can already means that those who wish to control software/hardware and freedom are restricted in doing so. Good luck MS with their ActiveX and attempts to stop the internet. IE did NOT manage to make the web an MS experience. Can you imagine what MS would have been like if they had IBM mainframe style control of the IBM compatible? If there never had been a Compaq, never had been a Dr-DOS? It would have been the Apple from Hell.

    Trying to explain this alternate reality would be like trying to explain the holocaust (godwin can kiss my hairy butt) in a universe were said holocaust never happened. We escape the complete control of our PC's by IBM, so how can we imagine what the world would have been like with IBM in control?

    And of course Stallman didn't do it all alone. But he has been the most central figure who has stood firm for 25 years. He and everyone else who has helped create the idea of software not as an owned and controlled resource has made the world we live in today. How could countless websites have gotten started without free Apache, free Perl/PHP/Python/etc, free databases yes even free OS'es?

    But isn't MS software as easily available? Yes, BUT and this is a HUGE BUT, without IBM loosing control over the PC, MS would also never have been. MS, the closed source control freak company owes it existence to "free" software/hardware. Proof? No MS on mainframes.

    So yes. GCC is awesome, but it is a minor tool, the AK47 of the freedom movement. It is the fight, not the weapons that matter. The decleration of independe vs the guarilla tactics. The refusal to obey seperation laws rather then choosing a seat in a bus.

    And to those who think free software is not comparable. It isn't. But lack of freedom in small areas can mean the lack of freedom is far larger areas. Wouldn't it be convenient for those who want to control freedom, if printing presses could only be bought with identification? If a website could only be setup with a real ID?

    So thank you Richard Stallman. I would never have the courage to do what you did, but the world is a better place cause you did it. Not perfect, but better. Just that the rest of us must remember that if we take it all for granted, we might loose it all. DMCA, Trusted Computing etc are real treaths and they do NOT go away just because we managed to stop them once.

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    1. Re:Without the license, GCC would have been closed by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      GCC is what it is because of the license. Without the license, it would just be another compiler most likely closed or restricted in some way. That it isn't is because of the license, not because of the code.

      GCC was created by the FSF and was always open source. I think you've overlooked the most important attribute - it's free as in beer.

      And of course Stallman didn't do it all alone. But he has been the most central figure who has stood firm for 25 years. He and everyone else who has helped create the idea of software not as an owned and controlled resource has made the world we live in today. How could countless websites have gotten started without free Apache, free Perl/PHP/Python/etc, free databases yes even free OS'es?

      Free and Open Source software existed before GPL existed. Also Python, Apache, and PHP are do not have a GPL license. Perl is dual licensed with GPL and the Artistic license.

      Nice propaganda piece...

      Some of us used to share source code and publish software in magazines long before the internet was available to the masses and before GPL.

      Let's not forget BSD...

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    2. Re:Without the license, GCC would have been closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The Wright Brothers' contribution was their wind-tunnel testing of propeller and wing designs, the successful completion of which made powered flight in a heavier-than-air vehicle possible. Not some bullshit "dream to fly".

      Their next contribution was the stifling of the American aircraft industry due to patent lawsuits, up until the government stepped in and forced cross-licensing deals for world war 1.

    3. Re:Without the license, GCC would have been closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freer licenses existed before GPL.

      Your conclusions are fallacious.

    4. Re:Without the license, GCC would have been closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? The Wright brothers held back the development of the airplane using various patents, until the US govt. forced them to license. Their innovations were not in the engine department so much as in control systems, and taking a methodical approach to development instead of just mucking about. Now if Richard Pearse had been more into team-work who knows what he could have done. IIRC he developed a better engine than most early planes were using.

    5. Re:Without the license, GCC would have been closed by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      It's not a license giving freedom that's important, it's a license retaining freedom.

      Yes, new-BSD, Apache 2.0, public domain - all of these licenses have fewer restrictions than the GPL. But amongst the restrictions they lack is one preventing the addition of further restrictions. So the freedom they give you includes the freedom to take your hard written source, build programs from it, and sell it back to you without giving you those changes.

      GPL takes away your freedom to share programs without also sharing the source, so that the people receiving the programs can enjoy the same freedoms that you did.

    6. Re:Without the license, GCC would have been closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have the freedom to share programs at all in the first place. GPL gives you the freedom to share programs, and the "freedom" to share modified programs as long as you also share the source. Unrestrictive licenses give you the freedom to share programs or modifications thereof in general. There is no 'retaining' freedom in these licenses.

      I don't have a problem with people locking up their code behind GPL so as to prevent it from being built on without the builder also releasing their contributions in that state, but I do have a problem with people who act as if they ought to be entitled to this in the first place. Especially once the argument is reduced to the absurd scenario of them being entitled to an entire office suite because it includes a single button which is a modified version of one of their GPLled buttons, or even just links to an unmodified version.

  24. Re:the license? really? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    GCC would not have mattered one lick without the license.

    Really, it's just a C compiler. It's important, but rudimentary. Anybody with sufficient programming skills can write one for a given machine (and they do). The license was the stroke of genius. GCC only exists in its current form because of the license. Without it GCC would be just another compiler in the dustbin of history.

    The real important contribution was the counter-culture he started, and that was only able to survive the extremely proprietary world of computers because of the license.

    I don't even like Stallman (I think he's an asshole, frankly), but that's clearly one thing he got very right. It was a brilliant move to use the same copyright laws that were used to steal his (and his compatriates') software in order to ensure their software would be free to use by everyone forever.

    In other words, open source software - GCC included - would likely not exist today without the GPL.

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  25. Re:And in all that time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course not. He uses the shower, like all grown-ups do.

    Now go back in your bath with your yellow rubber ducky.

  26. take a bath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hippie

  27. If Stallman had any balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He would have released his software as public domain. I guess he can't just step up to the challenge.

  28. Who wrote this claptrap? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tired of seeing software that he and others had written appropriated (without acknowledgment or compensation) by disreputable software companies and then told to pay for software they had written, Stallman took action, creating the foundation.

    What a terrible mis-representation of RMS's motivations. The EFF wasn't founded because RMS thought his software being "stolen" - it was created because he was locked out of fixing bugs in software on equipment in the lab where he worked. Read the first chapter of Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software. -- For Want of a Printer for a description of that seminal moment.

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    1. Re: Who wrote this claptrap? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      FSF not EFF, I always get those acronyms mixed up. Too many F's or maybe because their goals are complimentary.

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    2. Re: Who wrote this claptrap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, never read it. Probably should at some point (since I'm using so much GNU software). I just happened to notice the anniversary on wikipedia dates and thought I would submit a blurb to Slashdot. I also got the bit about what he did in the AI Lab at MIT wrong (it was late at night, I was sleepy). I do believe that the internet would be a very different place without GNU software (with Google, Amazon, EBAY, YouTube and Facebook all using it, among millions of others), and large software companies would also have their way with all of us if it were not there to keep them in check. How do they like it? Poison? Cancer? Surely they have formed their opinions based on how it affects them. The license is key. I would argue that by its design, it has done more to foster innovation in software development than copyrights and patents have for scientific and artistic advancement. Congress could learn from it (but they won't, and thats another discussion).
      Sincerely,
      Anonymous Coward (the author of the original claptrap)

    3. Re: Who wrote this claptrap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The EFF wasn't founded because RMS thought his software being "stolen" - it was created because he was locked out of fixing bugs in software on equipment in the lab where he worked.

      Um, wrong foundation. The EFF was founded because the United States Secret Service, in a fit of paranoia over new technology, raided the offices of some D&D nerds and stole their computers.

      I think you are referring to the FSF.

  29. Re:the license? really? by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The BSDs would exist without the GPL. Of course, getting to use GCC helps. Of all the things that RMS is responsible for, GCC is the only one I really use in any meaningful way. I think the majority of GPL software that I use isn't actually GNU or sponsored by the FSF, it just happens to be GPL. But the majority of my platform isn't GPL:
    - FreeBSD is BSD licensed
    - Apache is Apache (basically BSD) licensed
    - PostreSQL uses a modified BSD-style license
    - Perl is dual licensed with either the Artistic License or the GPL, depending on which you want to accept
    - BIND is BSD licensed

    I'm not particularly reliant on any GPL-based software other than GCC. That is the crux of my argument. Don't confuse "open source" with "free software" with the GPL.

  30. That's 21 too many by alex67500 · · Score: 0

    Communism died between 1989 when the Berlin wall fell and 1991 when the USSR was dismantled. The FSF should have followed closely. Shame really. Especially when you see how many good projects managed with out it (notably BSD and Apache).

    1. Re:That's 21 too many by viperblades · · Score: 1

      How many BSD licensed projects are compiled with a GPL compiler or use GPL libraries?

    2. Re:That's 21 too many by turgid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What has the Free (as in Freedom) Software Foundation got to do with the State owning the means of production on behalf of the workers, authoritarian government and the elimination of dissent?

  31. HURD Status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have they given up on the HURD?

    I'm not being a smartass, I'd actually like to know. Did Stallman give up and give in to "GNU/Linux" or will we ever see an actual HURD?

  32. Re:And it never would have amounted to anything... by nicolas.kassis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah but without it, I think GNU would have struggled in the 90s. Unix was dying, Linux injected some life.

  33. Feed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like his political notes and news articles feed. Excellent choice of articles.

  34. Re:the license? really? by pjabardo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is difficult to know what would happen without the GPL but what the parent says does have some merit: the counter culture was very important and it is possible that all those projects are so successful because of this "counter culture". In this sense the Free Software foundation and GPL are Stallman's greatest contribution.

  35. Re:the license? really? by smegmatic · · Score: 1

    Would all of those licenses have arisen if the FSF didn't prove it was a feasible strategy with the success of the GPL?

  36. Re:And it never would have amounted to anything... by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Informative

    Uhmm, the BSDs are much older than Linux and they also use GCC and other GNU tools. BSD1 was released in 1977, which is before Linus was born! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history-simple.svg

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  37. Re:the license? really? by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

    Yes. The BSD license was a consequence of being the product of a public university, receiving federal funds to work on projects. Even without the GPL, I suspect it is highly likely that the BSD license would have been created as-is anyway.

  38. Re:the license? really? by Lennie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He may or may not be an asshole, but it is his attitude what made this possible. Without the attitude nothing would have happend.

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  39. Thank you richard. by unity100 · · Score: 1

    i dont know you well, actually i dont know you at all. but, thank you, really.

  40. Re:the license? really? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually I'd argue that it isn't the license so much as the man himself. Love him or hate him (I too think he's gone a little too far overboard and gets worse as he ages) his license would be worth exactly jack squat if it weren't for the man's ability to promote himself and the GPL. after all what good would have been the GPL if only he had used it?

    A good example IMHO is the way he'll choose some boring normal proprietary software press conference, which nearly any reporter assigned to is figuring is gonna be as boring and dull as watching paint dry, and at just the right moment holds up one of his little hippy signs with a catchy slogan. If you think about it it is fucking brilliant, as every reporter is gonna lock onto him like a heat seeking missile because he is the only possible controversy in an otherwise boring as hell press release, thus ensuring he and his message gets front row coverage. That is a seriously brilliant piece of promotion right there, which costs him exactly nothing but really gets his point across.

    So I'd say the whole argument of Emacs VS GPL VS GCC would be moot if the man hadn't gotten the word out, and with a non profit copyleft style organization promotion has to be not only damned cheap but damned effective too, and love him or hate him RMS is damned smart when it comes for getting himself and the GPL promoted. And I'd say one could safely argue it was that gift that allowed him to create a FOSS empire from nothing but an idea. So here is to you Stallman, we may not agree on hardly anything, but I give credit where credit is due and you've earned yours. Happy Bday FSF.

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  41. Re:the license? really? by openfrog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't even like Stallman (I think he's an asshole, frankly), but that's clearly one thing he got very right. ... open source software - GCC included - would likely not exist today without the GPL.

    If you start such a movement and doing so frustrate self-interested grabbers of all kinds, you are naturally going to be the target of abuse and personal attacks on such a scale that you may have, or you may need to already have, a thick skin to merely survive.

    But your post does underline the significance of the accomplishment, so I concur.

  42. Venkat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Long live Richard Stallman !!! He was very inspiration for various other great intellectuals like Linus Torvalds.

  43. Re:the license? really? by VGPowerlord · · Score: 2, Informative

    The BSD license was a consequence of being the product of a public university, receiving federal funds to work on projects. Even without the GPL, I suspect it is highly likely that the BSD license would have been created as-is anyway.

    An early version of the BSD license was already in use before the GPLv1 was released. Granted, since then, there have been many modifications of it, including what's often referred to as the "Modified BSD License" that removes the advertising requirement.

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  44. Re:the license? really? by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    When I was in early high school, I attended a workshop for bright kids where each of us wrote a compiler. During a week. Not knowing anything about writing compilers beforehand, just being teached the basics of yacc and stuff on the go. Of course, these compilers had hardly any optimization, but they produced working code.

    Stallman didn't have yacc, but he was an experienced programmer with full access to relevant books -- all the theory relevant was already widely known by then. And coding a LALR parser is hardly more complex than, say, coding AVL trees.

    Writing a good optimizing compiler is a task for a team of great coders for years, but one that just works is a simple deal.

    Thus, GCC is just a yet another tool in the GNU collection, not something revolutionary like the GPL.

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  45. Re:And it never would have amounted to anything... by kevmeister · · Score: 1
    Someone in Finland only did it because he wanted a free kernel and the only other free kernel was tied up in a lawsuit by AT&T.

    GNU easily pre-dates Linux, but Linus' contribution was still very significant, if nothing else in that it provided a second "Unix" kernel.

    Cross-pollination between BSD based kernels and Linux continue to the present. Both BSD and Linux are better kernels as a result.

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  46. Re:the license? really? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    He didn't start the counterculture though. He just formalized it by sahing "all you hippies have to do it my way". We had tons of free aka open source software before FSF, it just didn't have that socialist license on it.

    The difference is that most people weren't so uptight if some company took the open code and incorporated it.

    I think GNU was a bigger step than FSF, and less nutty. It was the "why are we relying on commercial unix when we could just make our own" moment. They did a lot of good work on the tools and infrastructure for a unix system. They could have gotten the kernel before Linux but I think they aimed a bit too high by trying to design the perfect kernel with all the latest ideas in it, and it never really got to the implementation phase. When Linux came out a lot of people panned it for being too old-school, monolithic macrokernel, but it it was the last piece of the goal GNU was after.

  47. don't call it that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Open source is a term that rms rejects. It omits the most important part, freedom. Please call it Free Software.

    1. Re:don't call it that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course he would, because Free Software includes the most important part, confusing the audience. Please don't call it Free Software.

  48. Re:And it never would have amounted to anything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    linus was born 1969 linux was born 1991

  49. That's Dr. Stallman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for you.

  50. Re:the license? really? by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

    clang is BSD-compatible and better (for various definitions of "better") than gcc. The c++ support isn't production quality yet (their words) but I haven't had any problems with it.

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  51. How's the printer? by Trogre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thanks to RMS for all his (often colourful) advocacy. But has it done him any good - has he managed to get access to the driver for his labs Xerox 9700 yet?

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  52. RMS influenced BSD license too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RMS tried to convince the folks at Berkeley to use a license like the GPL for all their newly re-written networking code (U.C. Berkeley was in the middle of re-writing all the bits of UNIX that ATT had a copyright on). Berkeley ultimately decided on releasing under looser terms. They were not on even this track until the discussions with RMS. So, BSD folks, you have RMS to thank.

    MIT license, I don't know about that one, but since RMS is at MIT probably had some influence.

    The other licenses came after, so it would be hard to argue that they were not influenced.

    So, yes, regardless of the license, you still have RMS to thank.

  53. Over dramatization by viscous · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tired of seeing software that he and others had written appropriated (without acknowledgment or compensation) by disreputable software companies and then told to pay for software they had written, Stallman took action, creating the foundation

    The anonymous contributor needs to get a better grip on reality.

    The software in question was mostly written by programmers who were MIT staff members and students. MIT held the copyright on the software that they developed. MIT subsequently licensed the software to at least three companies: Symbolics, LMI and Texas Instruments. (I don't recall if there were any others.)

    The founders of Symbolics and LMI included many of the same people who had worked on the software as MIT staff. Stallman remained an MIT employee.

    Nothing in this story makes Symbolics or LMI or Texas Instruments a "disreputable software company". MIT has a long history of licensing technology developed within its walls to industry, often to startups formed by ex-MIT employees. This was no different. (At least, at the time this was no different. I have no idea what MIT's current practice is for software developed by its employees.)

    Stallman's unhappiness with the fate of the software he had worked on motivated him to invent the GPL. This was indeed a wonderful idea that has done an enormous amount of good for the world. He deserves a great deal of credit for this.

    But there is no need to over dramatize the birth of the GPL by painting the companies who licensed the Lisp Machine software as some kind of evil villains. They weren't doing anything different from what many other computer companies of the day were doing.

    And (as many others have noted) Stallman was never the director of the MIT AI Lab.

  54. Re:And it never would have amounted to anything... by wrook · · Score: 1

    Honestly, what Linux injected was the development strategy. The whole Cathedral and Bazaar thing. Before Linux, it was considered a good idea to limit the number of people working on a project. I, myself, volunteered to work on the Hurd long before I had heard of Linux. I had done a project in an OS course on Mach and wanted to play with it some more, so I wrote to the development team and they rejected me without even seeing what I could do. Many of the development source repositories for various things were private at that time and you could only get the source for released code (well, the fact that the internet wasn't widely available didn't help things).

    What Linux provided was the first really low barrier to entry project. You wanted to work on it, you checked out the code, modified it and sent in a patch. At the time, there were not really any big projects that worked that way. Linux injected life by making it exciting to contribute. After the huge success story of Linux, virtually every successful project moved towards doing things the same way. Most of what we see as common sense now with open source programming started with Linux. That's why it totally dominated free software kernel development (and still does, I suppose).

    GNU relied on brilliant individual accomplishments, and in fact did struggle in the 90s. Well, that's to say that it continued as normal, but was overshadowed by spectacular growth of other projects, even if they were smaller in scope. And this is why we talk about Linux distributions rather than GNU distributions.

  55. What we achieve is due to the support... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just emailed to rms saying "Happy birthday to FSF :) Thanks for creating it Richard." and he responded with:

    On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:55, Richard Stallman wrote:

            What we achieve is due to the support we receive from the community.