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Final Space Shuttle External Tank Ready For Its Closeup

tedlistens writes "The last Space Shuttle's external tank was recently lifted into a 'checkout cell' in the Vehicle Assembly Building at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida, one of the largest buildings in the world. The completion of the last tank meant the shut down of the assembly line – and the 800 remaining people who worked on it – at NASA's Michoud Assembly Facility in New Orleans. The tank contains the liquid hydrogen fuel and liquid oxygen that, along with the solid rocket boosters, powers the Shuttle into orbit. Though they are not typically reused — ten seconds after the engines cut off, the tank falls away to break up over the Indian Ocean, away from known shipping lanes — one new plan imagines using old shuttle parts, including pieces of the tank, to build a new moon rocket. There's a beautiful video of the lifting of the tank at Motherboard."

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  1. I know how they feel by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I felt the same way when the last Members Only jacket rolled off the line.

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  2. Embedded Video by nmb3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a beautiful video of the lifting of the tank at Motherboard.

    Or, if you're like me and tired of sites embedding a YouTube video and calling it "content", you can go directly to the video source.

    Besides, with embedded videos you miss out on the best part of YouTube -- all the great and insightful comments! :)

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    1. Re:Embedded Video by david.given · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, you must be a Feyntube user too!

  3. 800 employees? by edremy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Let's see: according to SpaceX, they have just over 1000 employees as of June 7th, the launch of the Falcon 9. That's to develop the Falcon 1, 1e and 9, the Merlin, Merlin-vac and Kestrel engines and to get a couple of them into orbit starting from scratch.

    Meanwhile, it takes 800 people just to build a fuel tank for the shuttle, much less the folks needed to move it, assemble it to the stack, etc. Yeah yeah, I know, apples to oranges, but damn that's a lot of people to make a couple of tanks a year.

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    1. Re:800 employees? by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They already did put a mockup capsule in orbit. NASA can't do that if both are given the same reasonable sum of money.

    2. Re:800 employees? by TheEyes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And considering they are only where NASA was 50 years ago,

      To be fair, the Shuttle is where NASA was 30 years ago

    3. Re:800 employees? by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not so much graft by the contractors per say but graft by and for congress.
      Think about how spread out build projects are for anything in the government.
      KSC is where it is because of the law of physics and where land was available at the time. Very few people lived in that part of Florida in the 1940s so it was cheap to buy and it is far enough south to get a boost from the earth's spin and it is over the water.
      They built the tanks and the first stage of the Saturn V in Louisiana because....
      They have mission control and training in Houston TX because....
      Huntsville is there because that was where the Army started working on rockets after WWII.
      Why didn't they build the tanks at KSC and keep all the rest of NASA their?
      Simple if you spread the money around you get support.
      If you have a senator in North Dakota that just happens to have a factory that makes carpeting for the Space Shuttle you end up with a vote at budget time.
      Sad but true with just about every government project of any size. If you look at the hand outs the give congress they will show all the sub contractors and all the jobs for any big project.

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    4. Re:800 employees? by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Didn't SpaceX get fined for cutting too many corners? Yep, you don't need many people if you don't intend to do the whole job.

      Nice try, but not quite:

      http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/environment/elon-musk-environment-fines/

      What did it do? Move the kids out of the room for this:

      SpaceX was found to be improperly storing or disposing of ...

      -Isopropyl alcohol!
      -Acetone!
      -Acid etch corrosive waste!
      -Rags with chromium on them!

      Eh. This is all stuff you'd find in your local grease monkey's garage. It's not that bad. In fact, we talked to they Environmental Protection Agency inspector who visited SpaceX, and he wasn't horrified by what he saw. (Sorry Elon haters).

      "I would say there was nothing egregious, as in nothing was spilled on the ground," said U.S. EPA enforcement officer James Polek. "The manufacturing facility is very well organized. The hazardous waste storage are was not."

      Darn.

      What's more the inspection took place last year and the company already corrected the violations, Polek told the Weekly.

    5. Re:800 employees? by Amouth · · Score: 3, Informative

      to be fair you are referencing an EPA fine - which just about ANY manufacturing company can easily get hit with if the inspectors show up at the right time - and NASA i'm sure has just as much a chance as anyone else.

      you realize you can get fined 10k by OSHA if you stack pallets to high? and thats 10k per stack - each is a violation.

      that EPA fine has nothing to do with having less people but rather a break down of protocol. Or a lack of tainting in the regulations.

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    6. Re:800 employees? by peacefinder · · Score: 4, Informative

      "I wouldn't be comparing them to a fully developed operation just yet."

      Okay. But to be fair, NASA has -zero- active fully-developed orbital manned launch programs right now. Shuttle was killed as a program years ago by Bush, it's well beyond the point of returning to active status*. And NASA Ares 1 is not as close to operational readiness** as is SpaceX Falcon 9.

      [*: The production facilities are closed and not easily restarted. Bringing the shuttle back for more launches beyond available parts would be nearly as expensive as a whole new rocket program.]
      [**: In fact it appears Ares 1 cannot meet the original operational parameters even if fully-funded. Check out the Augustine commission's report.]

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    7. Re:800 employees? by saburai · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can't speak to the other cases, but they built the first stage of the Saturn V in Louisiana because... 1. They needed a very large industrial space. The factory is a converted aircraft production facility built during WWII. 2. They needed deep water access to ship the giant vehicles. External Tanks and the Saturn S-IC cannot be shipped by road or rail. 3. The selection was tied to accessibility of both Kennedy Space Center in Florida (for launching) and Stennis Space Center in Mississippi (for testing). Once you start to pick a few locations, logistics become non-trivial and your next choice becomes more constrained. I can't assure you that graft had nothing to do with it (can you assure me that any part of any government program in history didn't have some back-deal component?), but the locations were not selected purely for political effect.

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    8. Re:800 employees? by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 2, Informative

      And by their record so far, SpaceX has been perfectly anal-retentive with respect to their launch vehicles and launch operations. Yes, they screwed up with the hazardous waste thing and they were lucky that they did not screw up with something more critical. But as it stands now, they have quite a few successful launches, and, thus, flight tested vehicles under their belt. That is a hell of a lot more than NASA can say for their most recent launch vehicle development program (Constellation and Ares I ring a bell).

      I am not saying that SpaceX should encourage or even tolerate such an oversight, but I am saying that that particular issue was actually a non-issue and trying to wave it around as evidence that Space X is incapable of doing their goal of developing launch vehicles is complete and utter bullshit. And that is coming from an aerospace engineer and launch vehicle analyst that is currently working in the industry.

  4. New Shuttle Derived HLV is Design By Congress by ausoleil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While it may seem like a great idea to re-use and re-purpose old Shuttle designs for a new heavy-lift vehicle (HLV) on the surface, in fact, it's something that is not being done for its technical merit. Instead, this design is one that's mandated by Congress. The 535 meddlers instructed NASA not to design and implement the best design or the most practical and capable craft, instead, it told themk in it's latest funding bill that it must use 'elements of other programs "to the extent practicable."

    The congress-people of course want the jobs and prestige that comes from having the companies that build new spacecraft and their parts in their districts.

    Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama said in a prepared statement that:

    “The NASA Authorization bill rejects the Administration’s reckless cancellation of NASA’s human space flight program and provides a framework to continue NASA’s exploration program.

    “I am encouraged that the bill outlines a NASA-designed heavy lift rocket capability and continues Huntsville’s leadership role in NASA’s human exploration efforts. Given the ongoing struggles of up-and-coming space companies to keep their contracted schedules, the bill provides some level of accountability and a defined threshold for safety. With the passage of the NASA Authorization bill, it is clear Congress understands that bravado does not necessarily make a rocket company viable.

    It may come as a surprise to Shelby that SpaceX is preparing its second launch of the Falcon9 rocket, this time with its Dragon capsule on top. It is currently schedule for no earlier than 10/23 of this month. The test launch is to once again test the Falcon9's operations and give information they can use to further refine them, and it is to test the Dragon in orbit. Dragon will eventually be used to ferry astronauts to and from the International Space Station, as well as deliver cargo to it in an unmanned configuration. In other words, Senator Shelby, human space flight atop American rockets is far from dead. Not only that, private concerns have orbited a test flight and is on the verge of another while NASA awaits the whims of Congress.

    With folks like Shelby around, protecting their interests rather than doing the right thing, it will be surprising if any NASA-designed craft orbits humans after the last shuttle lands next year.

  5. End of an Era by fahlesr1 · · Score: 2

    I remember watching shuttle launches in Elementary school. Its sorta sad that they're almost gone for good. Even more so without a clear replacement!

    1. Re:End of an Era by trout007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work at KSC so I go to watch every launch in the VAB parking lot. It's one of those things that is almost impossible to convey. The experience can't be recreated with the current technology. The sound is so loud that from 3 miles away car alarms go off and loose clothing dances on your body. The light is so intense it's like watching someone weld with a gas torch. What you see on HD isn't even close because the TV can't put out that kind of brightness. After watching a launch the SRB exhaust flames are burned into your retinas for about an hour.

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  6. TFA is idiotic by peacefinder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While much of what TFA states is true, it deliberately avoids mention of a very important fact: NASA won't need to run its own launch program if it can buy flights from the private commercial sector. Which is, in fact, the plan.

    SpaceX, Boeing, and others are developing rockets and vehicles for just this market. They're very likely going to get these birds in the air well before any new NASA rocket system, and they're surely going to do it cheaper.

    NASA-designed rockets were necessary Back In The Day when launching was about national prestige more than anything else. There were no other options. But in today's world, a government-owned and -operated rocket program is a funding sink, a political football, and a jobs program. NASA is not better off sinking billions into rocket development, when it could be spending that development money for programs that will bring us new capabilities such as on-orbit refueling and assembly. (Which are absolutely necessary prerequisites to long-term missions beyond low Earth orbit.)

    Don't pine for NASA to look back to past glory. Instead, be glad they're being compelled to offload the relatively easy stuff and look forward. Ad astra, baby.

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  7. Re:What an utter waste we didn't push them into or by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The sad thing is that the fuel tanks could have been easily pushed into orbit. Imagine the cost savings of having 800+ fuel tanks to use for building a space station or orbital construction yards.

    First you have to build a tank which can be reused for living space and not blow up on launch because a hatch in the side opened up by accident. Then you have to deal with the high drag and the insulation popping off in vacuum and creating clouds of orbital debris.

    And those are just two of the problems that spring to mind; you're not just carrying a metal can up to orbit and then cutting into it with a can-opener in order to live inside.

  8. Re:What an utter waste we didn't push them into or by danbert8 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The only problem with your plan is that then there would be 136 large, uncontrolled, massive pieces of space junk that are a risk to anything else up there until they are utilized. Not to mention the orbit probably wouldn't be stable and they would eventually come back down anyways, but not necessarily over uninhabited sections of the indian ocean. Better to have a controlled re-entry than either risk current LEO objects (like the ISS) or risk lives on the ground with falling space junk.

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  9. Re:Farewell traveler by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is there are some things that are under the category of 'betterment of mankind' that don't align well with the private sector. Flying up and down to a space station? Sure, that could probably be a private sector driven thing. Flying people to Mars for the first time? Probably not. It's like exploring the Mariana Trench - We should do that, because it helps us to understand our blue marble, but it's nothing the private sector is that interested in.