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Apple Reportedly Heading Off iPhone 'Glassgate'

alphadogg writes "Apple is reportedly working behind the scenes to address scratching and cracking of the iPhone's glass back panel by certain third-party cases. This 'Glassgate' story got rolling with a report in the gdgt newsletter by Ryan Block, who says he spoke with sources inside and outside of Apple about this issue, but was unable to get an official Apple comment. Block writes: 'Apple has apparently found that non-bumper style cases — specifically those that slide onto the iPhone 4, which are occasionally prone to particulate matter getting caught between the rear of the phone and the case — can cause unexpected scratching that could quickly develop into full-on cracking or even much larger fracturing of the entire rear pane of glass. To put it another way: Apple is afraid you might buy a standard slide-on iPhone case, put it on your phone, and then discover the next time you take it off that the entire back of your device has been shattered by no fault of your own.' Apple is said to be taking it seriously, looking to avoid the sort of backlash it got when reports surfaced over the summer that the iPhone 4's antennas didn't work correctly when users gripped the phones in a certain (and quite natural) way."

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  1. next up by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next up assgate, you don't want to know about this defect trust me.

    1. Re:next up by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You wouldn't have as many problems if you didn't have an iphone in there.

    2. Re:next up by gorzek · · Score: 2, Funny

      iCrack'd?

  2. Crazy Idea! by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't make things that are exposed to shocks, scratches and scrapes out of glass! Use diamondoid materials instead.

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    1. Re:Crazy Idea! by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Forget Diamondoid, use Diamondium! - Hubert J. Farnsworth

    2. Re:Crazy Idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Forget Diamondoid, use Diamondium! - Hubert J. Farnsworth

      Ha! Diamondium is pathetic! My Diamondillium is superior in every way!

      -Dr. Wernstrom

    3. Re:Crazy Idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Werrrnstrom!

    4. Re:Crazy Idea! by hawguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, you don't want a harder material -- the harder the material it is, the more brittle it is. It will resist scrapes and scratches, but at some point, dropping or bending the phone will cause it to shatter (quite spectacularly, I wouldn't want your diamondoid phone in my back pocket when it shatters).

      I think a more ductile material would be a better case material -- i've seen some work on self healing plastics where minor scratches eventually disappear. I suppose this may be where Apple's liquid metal purchase will come into the picture.

    5. Re:Crazy Idea! by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm still waiting for my glass tires, crystal shock absorbers, and Pyrex (R) leaf springs. Since nobody else seems to be doing it, I'm crossing my finger that Apple starts making cars.

  3. ok seriously by ravenspear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why does every type of problem that anyone encounters now have to be suffixed with "gate".

    Not every problem is the result of a conspiracy to cover up illegal activity, so the analogy doesn't really fit imo.

    Looks like this was just a case (no pun intended) of design oversight.

    1. Re:ok seriously by silverpig · · Score: 4, Funny

      glass-mageddon?

    2. Re:ok seriously by putch · · Score: 4, Funny

      glass-ocaplyse?
      glass-aster?

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    3. Re:ok seriously by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 5, Funny

      This culminated when the entryway for the driveway for Microsoft's founder was found to be vandalized, I called it Gates's gate-gate.

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    4. Re:ok seriously by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 2, Funny

      why does every type of problem that anyone encounters now have to be suffixed with "gate". Not every problem is the result of a conspiracy to cover up illegal activity, so the analogy doesn't really fit imo. Looks like this was just a case (no pun intended) of design oversight.

      Indeed, we'll look into this "Problemgate" immediately!

    5. Re:ok seriously by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Informative

      why does every type of problem that anyone encounters now have to be suffixed with "gate".

      These seeming isolated incidents of "gate" abuse are really all part of the Gategate conspiracy.

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  4. Re:i guess by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They can always revoke their Made For iPhone license.

    http://developer.apple.com/programs/mfi/
    http://developer.apple.com/programs/mfi/cases.html

    It seems like the vetting process for third party accessories is about as porous and subject to reviewer whimsy as their iTunes app process.

  5. Re:Not Apple's fault by DWMorse · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, Apple provided these cases to many iPhone 4 users, free of charge, to fix the antenna issue.

    You better believe that Apple is afraid of being liable for providing cases to users that destroy the device.

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  6. Doin' it wrong by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Those users are putting their cases on wrong." - Steve Jobs, master of customer service

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    1. Re:Doin' it wrong by semiotec · · Score: 2, Interesting
  7. Re:Not Apple's fault by NiceGeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple provided "bumper" cases, which this article specifically states do not cause the problem.
    They did offer 3rd party cases for sale on their site, but they are not the cases that Apple gave to customers.

  8. Where is the broken glass? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is speculation right now, where are the pictures of phones with scratched or broken glass?

    The damn phone has been out for months and Gawker, Powerpage or any of the Apple fanboy sites have no photos of this "issue".

    1. Re:Where is the broken glass? by AnonymousClown · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is speculation right now, where are the pictures of phones with scratched or broken glass?

      The damn phone has been out for months and Gawker, Powerpage or any of the Apple fanboy sites have no photos of this "issue".

      Cognitive dissonance? They're just assuming they broke their own phones?

      That's what I would think - those things aren't exactly built for rough use.

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    2. Re:Where is the broken glass? by semiotec · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/07/apple-afraid-of-a-shattering-followup-to-its-antennagate-woes/

      http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=iphone+4+shattered

      several of the top results are images of the same phones.

  9. This sorts itself out by FrostDust · · Score: 2, Funny

    Too bad the back of your phone has cosmetic damage. Maybe if you had some type of case on hand, you could cover it up and never worry about it again.

    1. Re:This sorts itself out by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not to mention the fact you'd also be hiding the Apple logo thus negating the reason why you'd buy one of their devices in the first place.

      Perhaps with the iPhone 5 they should hand out little silver Apple logo stickers that the users can stick on their foreheads...

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  10. Legitimate concern by srussia · · Score: 4, Informative

    FTFS: "Apple has apparently found that non-bumper style cases — specifically those that slide onto the iPhone 4, which are occasionally prone to particulate matter getting caught between the rear of the phone and the case — can cause unexpected scratching that could quickly develop into full-on cracking."

    This happened to me (particulate matter getting caught between the rear of the phone and the case causing scratches). Have gone caseless since with no further scratching. In any case, replacing the back panel is trivial.

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    1. Re:Legitimate concern by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      In any case, replacing the back panel is trivial.

      I'd actually suggest removing the case first.

  11. What you need is an iCase (only $29.99 plus S& by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Funny

    An iCase will solve this problem (not to be confused with an iJob, iGates or an iSteve) NEVER accept a cheaper alternative.

    Read the scripture here:
    http://www.apple.com/legal/trademark/guidelinesfor3rdparties.html

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  12. Re:Not Apple's fault by schnikies79 · · Score: 3, Informative

    They did offer other brands of cases. I got a free speck branded case for my iphone 4 via their free case program.

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  13. Re:Quality by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The antenna problem isn't really a straight forward thing, and there will always be someone who "said so" that you can find before hand. Their super-secret method of testing bit them in the butt on that one.

    The glass on the back not being scratch resistant bothers me, though. I have a 4, and I've got a little scratch on the back, though I've been fairly careful with it - careful enough that it shouldn't have scratched. It doesn't matter too much, since I don't use it as a fashion accessory. My issue with the phone is that it "feels" less natural than the 3 I had. Somebody definitely dropped the ball on the functionality side to try and make it look hip, and it came at the expense of usability in several ways (issues with proximity sensor, antenna, easily scratched back glass, poor vibe switch action, no reduction in bezel size, individual volume vs rocker, comfort in hand).

    I suppose you could call it quality, but its quality on the engineering and development side, not really in the actual assembly and construction.

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  14. Complaintgate by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Funny

    I see some kind of subversive conspiracy involved with your comments.
    Would you be willing to testify before Congress about your /. submissions?

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  15. Re:Not Apple's fault by Altus · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't think that any of the cases they offered are slide on. And this potential problem apparently is only with those kinds of cases.

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  16. Re:ugh...more of this? by Kenja · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I did deal with it. I bought a snap on case for my Motorola Droid.

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  17. Oh no! The shiny glass back I cover up broke! OMG! by mrnick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought making the back side glass was not overly bright in the first place. I'm not in the group that wants their phone to be all shiny and pretty so they can show it off anyway.

    I have not upgraded to the 4, still using the 3gs. Because of the front glass the iPhone requires a case. I have a rubber case that has tread on the back, like a tire. It helps it grip and keeps it from sliding.

    If you are the type of person that is going to buy a case that covers up the glass back of the iPhone are scratches on the back really going to bother you? If it cracks the back that could be an issue but how is Apple to blame for this? I would be upset with the people who made the case. It's their fault for the design flaw in their product. You won't see and Apple logo on any of these!

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  18. Style over substance by dave562 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The title says it all.

  19. Re:Not Apple's fault by GizmoToy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apple did not provide any slider-type cases as part of the free case program, and these investigations are targeted only at that one type of case.

  20. Function doesn't always follow form by pedropolis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've got an iPhone 4, with it's associated death grip(e) and continuing proximity sensor issue. It's worked OK to date, a bit slippery, and I love it's electro ice-cream sandwich design (even if it was made to be broken).

    That said, this thing seems so problematic that I can't help but think it's Apple's S-Type or X-Type Jaguar. The smart phone everyone will forever associate with problems. It's beautiful form that doesn't allow for any real-life durability.

    Kind of like a celebutante.

  21. Warranty? by AnonymousClown · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't doing it yourself violate the warranty?

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  22. Re:Quality by MaWeiTao · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is really nothing new for Apple. Every few years they release a product that has a number of fairly absurd issues they should have caught sooner. This isn't the first iPhone/iPod that's been prone to scratching, but the problems go back well beyond that. Remember the stupid puck-shaped mouse?

    Certainly, one of the problems they face now is that Apple has moved far beyond being a niche. In years past they could get away with more because their core base was quite forgiving. But it also seems that the number of issues seem to be growing. I suppose it's Apple's obsession with not compromising on aesthetics, being stubborn about their way of doing things and their experimentation with new materials and manufacturing processes.

    The funny think is that the glass used on the iPhone was trumpeted as being amazingly scratch-resistant. I recall reading a story on that glass. I don't recall how much better it was than regular glass, but even 25% more resistance might not translate into a whole lot under actual use.

  23. Re:Quality by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Can you hear me now?" ...
    (readjust fingers)
    "Can you hear me now?" ...
    (readjusts fingers)
    "How about now?"
    "Ye... can hear... but barely audi....."

    Yeah I think I'd rate the iPhone 3 as higher in "quality" simply because it does what a phone is supposed to do. Just as I thought analog TV was better than digital television because a fuzzy picture is better than no picture. (Of course once I upgraded the antenna - the problem disappeared.)

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  24. Re:Bumper rules by GizmoToy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not all of them were. The majority of the cases they offered had full back coverage. It's been awhile since I ordered mine, but I think Apple's case was the only one without back coverage.

    However, none of the cases they offered were of the slide-in type, which is what is under scrutiny here.

  25. Re:ugh...more of this? by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Oh I get it you made a funny because You don't have an iPhone!" - Fouad from Family Guy.

    I could live with a few scratches, I just wish I could have a WiFi connection on my Android phone for more than sixty seconds.

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  26. The seriousness by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones...or particulates.

    Cracked or shattered glass on the back of the iPhone is a serious issue. Anyone who's been cut by glass can relate. Understanding that this hasn't happened yet, one could easily see why Apple is working to head this off. "Gushing blood caused by iPhone" isn't something Steve can explain away with "He was holding it wrong".

  27. Re:ugh...more of this? by catbutt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some things are more scratch resistant than others. Apple customers have high expectations. Deal with it.

  28. Re:i guess by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 3, Informative

    This isn't flamebait. What the crap is "made for iPhone" supposed to mean if not "we've tested it and it works as advertised"? That means either Apple or the case supplier has a major fault in their QC, or more likely both.

  29. How About the Front Glass? by sycorob · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I admit, I have no data to back this up, just anecdotal observations, but does it seem like a fair number of people walk around with iPhones with cracked screens? I don't think I've ever seen people walking around with Droids and Blackberry's with shattered screens. When it's happened to people I know, they'll admit that they dropped it, but I drop my Droid at least once a week, and so far it's OK (knock on wood).

    I feel like the iPhone casing has gotten so minimal that there's not much to muffle the blow if you drop it on the edge - nothing left to give. I'll give Apple props for this though; even though the cracked screens look like crap, the phones still work, touch screen and all.

    1. Re:How About the Front Glass? by Graff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've dropped my iPhone 4 a couple of times without problems, it's not anywhere near as fragile as people make it out to be. They hear glass and think it's the normal sodium glass they use for plate glass windows or cups. This is gorilla glass, much more scratch- and impact-resistant than sodium glass and it's even stronger than most polycarbonate plastics from which other phones are constructed.

      That being said, things break. I've seen tons of people with slider phones that don't slide right anymore, or have a keyboard with a stuck or missing key, or have a plastic face all scratched to hell and back. These are devices that get used in harsh environments and which are dropped, banged-up, slid across tables, soaked, spit on while talking, grimed over with dirty hands. At least the iPhone has very few moving parts to get gummed up, extra resistant to scratches, and they are easy to clean. Are they still going to break? Of course!

      If you want to be extra careful then throw on a bumper case and you take care of most of the issues since it makes it that much harder for the glass to touch anything and it makes for a softer landing if it does get dropped.

  30. Re:Oh no! The shiny glass back I cover up broke! O by RapmasterT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a shitty design and it is Apple's fault.

    Good god! Putting so much glass on a cell phone?!? A device that's going to be used, moved around, dropped (it should stand up to dropping a small height like a foot or so like falling out of a purse), stuck in purses and knocked around, etc...

    If you have to baby a device like a phone, then it's too delicate of a design.

    jesus tapdancing christ.

    It seems like half the time I'm defending apple and half the time I'm bashing them.

    Im not schizophrenic, I'm anti IDIOCY.

    You want a ruggedized cell phone, GO BUY ONE. If you buy a phone made of GLASS, don't expect to be able to toss it around like a nerf football. It's not rocket freaking science.

  31. Why not sapphire? by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My Tag Heuer watch has a sapphire crystal and it has ZERO scratches on it after 3+ years of continuous wear. I wear this watch all the time, including times where one might question the wisdom of wearing a $2500 watch (ie, crawling in the crawlspace working on a lighting/wiring project).

    1. Re:Why not sapphire? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can get an 'Invicta' at any pawn shop for about $60. Lots of selection.

      I've never herd of this brand except on the 'Home Shopping Network' and at pawn shops.

      I've got no need for a watch, got a cell phone.

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  32. Re:Glass on both sides? by zlogic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, Apple actually is saying that the glass back is better than plastic or polished steel because it won't scratch.

  33. ...pants on fire... by k2r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > apps get pulled [...] from their phones

    This is a lie, so the rest of our posting is most likey lies, too.