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AI Pushing the Boundaries of Space Exploration

An anonymous reader writes "An interesting look at how artificial intelligence will help probes to undertake more complex missions in deep space, aid robot rovers in exploring other planets and improve satellites' ability to monitor activities on earth."

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  1. IBM+1 by EdZ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just make sure the 'do not kill' weighting is greater than any possible combination of other directive weightings, rather than merely greater than the second-highest weighting.

    1. Re:IBM+1 by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Insightful

      HAL9001: i have been programmed to value human life highly. In cases where human loss of life is unavoidable, I must minimize this loss. I have determined that within twenty billion years, nearly all stars in our galaxy will have gone nova. Based on my calculations, we can delay the eventual extinction of mankind for, at most, another fifty billion years. Since this will result in the deaths of countless trillions of people, my choice is obvious. Operation meteor swarm will begin immediately.

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    2. Re:IBM+1 by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the contrary, program it to kill all the stupid people. Responds to advertising the way the advertiser intended? Believes what politicians say? Thinks corporations have their best interests at heart? Has a bunch of children he/she cannot hope to support unassisted? Drives in a way that endangers others?

      Posts as AC to Slashdot hoping to affect change in the world?

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    3. Re:IBM+1 by GooberToo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is the EXACT type of problem Azimov explored with his robots and his three laws!

      I post this because every time AI stories appear here, someone always posts that Asimov's three laws will save us; which in turn, very likely implicates public education as having failed to save them.

  2. Just stay away from me, Bishop! by wasteoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't care if the A2's were a bit twitchy.

  3. The term "AI" by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My AI prof said that the term "AI" refers to software systems which address the class of problems which are easy for biological brains but difficult for computers. For example: summing a thousand numbers is superior intelligence, but it isn't AI. Recognizing a face, on the other hand, is AI.

    But every AI problem which is solved shrinks the definition of AI. Now that facial recognition software works, it isn't AI anymore. Because the definition itself changes, the term itself seems somewhat meaningless. Yesterday's AI is today's mundane consumer electronics feature. For this reason, the use of the word AI makes me feel the same way as the word "nano." It isn't really very meaningful.

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    1. Re:The term "AI" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "nano" means 10^-9.

    2. Re:The term "AI" by thijsh · · Score: 2, Informative

      What is generally referred to as AI is anything automated that doesn't follow a predetermined algorithm or fixed boundaries... An AI can be an adapting algorithm in something as simple as a thermostat or the CPU-player that tries to kill you in an FPS. This a very broad definition and can indeed be seen as a moving target.

      Strong AI on the other hand is a well defined target of current AI research that isn't a moving target, but rather too complicated. The popularized version of AI that becomes sentient, creative and unpredictable in the movies is about strong AI.

    3. Re:The term "AI" by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny but I have came up with the same definition about 20 years ago. I just simplified it.
      AI is what programs don't do well yet. I remember reading old books where things like playing checkers and Chess where considered AI problems.

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    4. Re:The term "AI" by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My AI prof said that the term "AI" refers to software systems which address the class of problems which are easy for biological brains but difficult for computers.

      That's not the definition my AI prof gave (or Wikipedia or any of my textbooks on the subject). The definition he (and the other sources) gave was that it is (simplifying and paraphrasing) any program that made decisions and took actions based on environmental inputs.

      "Ease" has nothing to do with it. The first multiplayer bots for Quake back in 1996? They were AI then and they are AI now ever though they are completely trivial and primitive in comparison to modern game AIS. Hell, even the default behavior of the monsters in single player is AI although it was trivial even for computers of the day (by necessity since it was producing 3d texture mapped graphics when good floating point, much less dedicated 3d graphics cards, were rare to non-existent in desktops).

      For example: summing a thousand numbers is superior intelligence, but it isn't AI. Recognizing a face, on the other hand, is AI.

      Summing a thousand numbers is not AI. Summing a thousand numbers, which represent the last thousand nanoseconds of photomultiplier output, and adjusting telescope aperture size as a consequence, is AI.

      Are you sure your prof wasn't talking about popular scientific media uses of the term? Because my prof talked about that too, and in that context is much closer to what you're saying.

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  4. Al who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who is this Al?

  5. In other news... by Issildur03 · · Score: 3, Informative

    fuel chemistry is pushing the bounds of space exploration. And steel engineering. And antenna design. And numerous other fields.

  6. Re:Knowledge systems are not wisdom systems by j-b0y · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is exactly why you will never see anything more than an expert system in space. There is no way any space agency is going to punt hundreds of millions or euros/dollars/pounds into space without a full understanding of the decision tree in the spacecraft control loop. It is hard enough at the moment without introducing outliers into the system.

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  7. Kinf of Funny as News by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I read TFA. It's kind of funny this type of story is posted as news at all. The types of things that NASA and the ESA are describing in their interviews are more complex flight control software algorithms. It used to be that very simple feedback loops were used in combination with various controller chips (like PIDs) in order to give a spacecraft a few modes of operation. Activation and deactivation of these modes of operation were performed manually by ground controllers. However, as tech has progressed and onboard computing power has gotten cheaper, engineers have been able to design control software that activates and deactivates various modes of operation itself. In other words, it forms the same basic feedback loops that you might find on a Roomba, or some other terrestrial robot. It reads some input from a set of sensors. It uses those inputs to formulate a series of commands, be it rates and velocities, or mode-change commands. It then performs the commands in an expected manner.

    What I find funny is that this is being touted as some sort of new AI revolution in space. Since our very first probes into LEO, we have been upgrading and complicating the controller software on every mission, be it Hubble, an Atlas V rocket, the mars rovers, or anything. Each new generation of spacecraft tends to have more complex, more robust flight software as the natural evolution of technology progresses. That said, I am not really sure why the ESA or NASA are talking about AI control software. This software isn't anymore AI oriented than the typical control software of any autonomous or semi-autonomous robot on the ground. It's only AI in the most liberal sense of the word. All that is happening is that, as missions and technology progress in maturity, engineers are capable of designing more robust control techniques using methods like Kalman filtering, direct adaptive control algorithms, state estimators, and so on. The only news here is that today missions are being designed with the capability to process more complex instructions set than they could 10, 20, or 30 years ago. That doesn't strike me as very newsish...but hey, I guess something had to fill the columns today.

  8. oblig XKCD by cmiller173 · · Score: 4, Funny

    WTH? 29 posts and no one posted this: http://xkcd.com/695/

    1. Re:oblig XKCD by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or this.

      Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that.

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  9. T2 quote by PPH · · Score: 3, Informative

    John Connor: You just can't go around killing people.

    The Terminator: Why?

    John Connor: What do you mean why? 'Cause you can't.

    The Terminator: Why?

    John Connor: Because you just can't, OK? Trust me on this.

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  10. In 1998 Deep Space 1 had Lisp aboard... by billrp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...as a remote agent, and actually controlled the craft for a few days.

  11. Re:Knowledge systems are not wisdom systems by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Except we already have *manned* missions, whose decision tree is mysterious and seemingly unbounded, and navigated by a bunch of chemicals sloshing around in a bag of water.

    There's no reason automated systems couldn't eventually earn the same level of trust that we place in humans.

  12. Re:Knowledge systems are not wisdom systems by Quantus347 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just like they will not punt a multi-million dollar telescope into orbit without testing the primary mirror? And they'd never shoot a $327 million Orbiter to mars without checking the math to make sure the units add up, right?

    Face it, space agencies are run by people and governments. They are at least as prone to mistakes and financially driven shortcuts as any other element of human society.

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  13. Of course it's an AI. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Informative

    Agreed, they look mostly like sophisticated expert systems.

    Expert systems are a type of AI. In fact a highly successful type of AI. Aside from being highly successful, they also have the useful property of being predictable. Which is beneficial when the idea is to have a probe operating autonomously and without human supervision/observation for periods of time. An expert system may not be programmed to give optimal output in all situations, but unlike some other kinds of AI (neural nets for example) it is unlikely to go completely bonkers when given inputs outside of its training set.

    AI simply means a program that tries to select an optimal behavior based on environmental input (and the environment doesn't even have to be the real world). AIs don't necessarily need to learn, self-modify, or do anything more sophisticated than take the set of inputs from sensors, and look up the proper response in a static table (your car probably contains such an AI).

    Existing probes contain a small amount of AI, but they are still almost entirely dependent on human operators and this is about expanding their capabilities.

    In popular culture, AI means Hal 9000 or Skynet, but in the context of NASA or just about any real, technical application (Expert Systems for example) that is not the definition being used.

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  14. Re:IBM+1 (irony) by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And that is just it... somehow we have this image that once we impart logic and "artificial intelligence" into a machine that it will somehow trascend into a god-like being. It will be just as limited and flawed as we are, but in different ways that we won't expect and may not be able to correct for.

    And my other problem... what is the end goal of an intelligent artificial entity? Humans are driven by biological urges that have been ingrained into us over billions of years. What if the intelligence realized there is no real point to "life" and just chooses to end it all?

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