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Florida Town Builds Data Center In Water Tank

miller60 writes "The Florida town of Altamonte Springs has converted an old water storage tank into a new data center. The decommissioned tank previously held up to 770,000 gallons of water, but its 18-inch-thick walls provided a hurricane-proof home for the town's IT gear, which had to be relocated three times in 2004 to ride out major storms. The Altamonte Springs facility is the latest example of data centers in strange places, including chapels, shopping malls, cargo ships, old particle accelerators and caves."

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  1. And it's great for sysadmins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You just dive in and swim to the server racks.

    1. Re:And it's great for sysadmins by bysin · · Score: 5, Funny

      You just dive in and swim to the server racks.

      There's a new job opening in Altamonte, a sysadmin that is SCUBA certified.

    2. Re:And it's great for sysadmins by Thinboy00 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The energy costs etc. of keeping it pure enough to not conduct would far exceed the energy costs of sufficient AC.

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    3. Re:And it's great for sysadmins by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Mineral oil is better because it's inorganic and therefore won't go rancid.

    4. Re:And it's great for sysadmins by pantherace · · Score: 2, Informative

      You could use Fluorinert and avoid having to deal with purity, but that would still far exceed the cost given the one time I got a price on it...

      Apparently, it's sold more widely now, so at $40 per 5 mL, to fill the 770,000 gallons... $23,318,136,600

      (Probably cheaper in bulk) I wonder about Google going to this someday.

    5. Re:And it's great for sysadmins by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I worked at Eckerd College, in St. Pete, back in late '90's/early 00's. Now, this school is right on the inter-coastal waterway (has it's own private beach) and about 2' above sea level. Man, ever try unracking every farking server in a small school and man handling them up through an uncooled attic opening, there to be wrapped in multiple layers of plastic? In the summer?!!!

      They finally got funds to build a real data center (instead of using old admin offices on ground level) and now the machines are at least 25' above sea level. Won't do much for a direct hit, as entire spit of land school's on will likely be washed away but luckily, Tampa Bay area seems to mostly lucky, when it comes to hurricanes.

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  2. That's thinking outside the box by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why didn't they just use some colo company and save a bunch of money on maintenance and headcount?

    1. Re:That's thinking outside the box by c0lo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why didn't they just use some colo company and save a bunch of money on maintenance and headcount?

      (tongue-in-cheek) why not outsource outside USA? I heard some geos have much cheaper labor, that should be good for the town's budget.

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    2. Re:That's thinking outside the box by tempest69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm betting that the warm fuzzies of having undeniable 24/7 access had some appeal. Plus the sense of control. A point of failure (the colo) is removed, The uncertainty of how the contract renewal is removed. And the jobs stay in town, which matters to government.

  3. in my pocket, on my droid by wagadog · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...is more compute power, memory and disk than the Cray-2 I did my dissertation work on.

    1. Re:in my pocket, on my droid by ndege · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...is more compute power, memory and disk than the Cray-2 I did my dissertation work on.

      yes yes, but could you actually do your dissertation work on your droid today?

      <rant>
      I have heard many people claim things like, "my wristwatch has more power than a supercomputer in the 60's that took up an entire floor of the building". The next question to ask is, what did that computer that took so much space do? The response is something along the lines of, "it ran the payroll for 190k employees." I then ask if their wristwatch can run the payroll for 190k employees. Then it dawns on them that the old systems of yesteryear weren't quite so simple and trivial.
      </rant>

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  4. The next one in... by c0lo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Crystal Peak? I guess O'Connor would deserve a more modern equipment.

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    1. Re:The next one in... by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Funny

      When did John Connor become Irish?

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  5. Totally off-topic by msobkow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I lived in Altamonte Springs for three years, working as a contractor in the area. Nice place, if a little on the warm side in August. :)

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  6. Strange places? by wvmarle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How are this strange places? A data centre doesn't need windows, doesn't need easy highway access, doesn't need to sit next to the subway station or even close to high populated areas (close as in walking distance) - it's a bit like a "build and forget" kind of structure that are best kept a bit out of the way.

    So you're naturally looking for cheap space, that is safe against the elements. Existing strong buildings come in play of course - like this water tank. Chapels are also often constructed well. Same for former bunkers and other underground locations like abandoned mines.

    Yes it's interesting, maybe not obvious, but thinking about it this are not strange places but actually quite logical places to build your data centre. The only one that sounds strange to me is the shopping mall one. Space in shopping malls tends to be pretty expensive.

    1. Re:Strange places? by AJWM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The only one that sounds strange to me is the shopping mall one. Space in shopping malls tends to be pretty expensive.

      The retail space, yeah. One of my first jobs was in a data center (mainframes, this was in the late 70s) in a shopping mall, in the basement. Maybe they got a break on the rent for helping heat the place ;-) (This was Ottawa, Canada -- they spend far more of the year heating living areas than cooling them.)

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  7. Re:Lightning by afidel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    RTFA, it's made of 8" reinforced concrete. My bigger problem with the article was the use of optical media for archiving, get a real archival solution and use good tape like LTO.

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  8. "Tapes are unreliable" by BaldingByMicrosoft · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Tapes are unreliable," DiGioia says. "Disaster recovery was nonexistent. It consisted of backup tapes in a box." ... "Backups are kept on disk for 30 days and then overwritten, and tape is no longer used. Documents are archived on optical disc and microfilm. "

    ...so, 30 days on a mirrored SAN. No monthlies, yearlies. Long term is on optical (what kind? Consumer media degrades... What's the retention target?) and microfilm (quaint).

    So, the quick recovery offered by the mirrored SAN is sexy, with an appropriate price tag. Writing off tape entirely seems very wrong.

    1. Re:"Tapes are unreliable" by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed, another clueless soul bitten by AIT/DAT/DDS/QIC who will never understand real archival tape. If the data is worth anything (and government records are) then pony up a little bit of cash for a real tape solution. It might be as expensive as one or two of your servers but it's so worth it to actually have your data when you need it.

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    2. Re:"Tapes are unreliable" by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Print it out? You've got to be joking. So someone can scan it in 5 years from now? The advantage of digital is you can move it to any storage medium you like without losing any quality. If it was data you cared about, you should have moved it to more modern equipment. Archives have to be taken care of; this is true of both analog and digital archives. Even stone degrades.

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    3. Re:"Tapes are unreliable" by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I run a network of two servers for a primary school, and even I have remote site NAS backup and bi-monthly tape archives, rolling semi-annually. It's not just the kids work (which is for all intents and purposes of sentimental value only); Financial records, HR, medical, disciplinary, software and hardware configuration time... Jeebus, I'd feel naked without a decent backup system!

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  9. Re:Lightning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seriously - I hope that somebody put some long hard thought into how they are going to try to ground this thing.

    Um, the cold water pipe?

  10. Re:Lightning by espiesp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not all water tanks are metal. Plus, this is not a water TOWER. It's a water tank that sits on the ground. You didn't even have to RTFA, just had to look at the picture.

  11. Do these people know nothing? by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't put your data centers in caves, mines, hurricane proof water tanks, etc.

    When the time comes that we need to unplug skynet, you are just making things hard.

  12. Take 10inches off those walls by enoz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Summary is inaccurate (as usual):

    TFS: 18-inch walls
    TFA: 8-inch walls

  13. 8 or 18? No natural heat sink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article states 8" concrete walls, although 18" makes sense as it is about the practical minimum if you design for crack protection. A concrete building is a natural for disaster protection, nothing too outlandish there. The last firm I worked for built a concrete vault for their server room, complete with bank vault door.

    Although a working water storage tank would be way more fun, basically using the water system as a giant heat sink!

  14. Failure to plan ahead? by Glendale2x · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the picture caption in TFA: The city's water tank data center: Wings were added to each side, one for networking equipment, the other for administrative offices.

    And in the body of TFA: Compared with the old setup, the new infrastructure offers improved uptime and superior disaster recovery capabilities. and The emergency operation center was shut down also because there wasn't infrastructure in place to support Internet access during a storm

    So then exactly why is the networking equipment outside of the protected space?

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  15. Inevitable Onion headline by JanneM · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Area Data Center Actually Located in Data Center Facility; IT Experts Confused, Baffled"

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  16. Strange places? by RichiH · · Score: 2, Insightful

    DCs are not moving into strange places. It's just that people are starting to realize that _any_ large and reasonably well-built structure is suitable as a DC. Electric power is usually a given, AC can almost always be installed and then you are down to "is it cheaper to get (redundant) fiber to this old structure or to build a new DC".

    That's the beauty of a DC. The computers in there don't care where they are.