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Proving 0.999... Is Equal To 1

eldavojohn writes "Some of the juiciest parts of mathematics are the really simple statements that cause one to immediately pause and exclaim 'that can't be right!' But a recent 28 page paper in The Montana Mathematics Enthusiast (PDF) spends a great deal of time fielding questions by researchers who have explored this in depth and this seemingly impossibility is further explored in a brief history by Dev Gualtieri who presents the digit manipulation proof: Let a = 0.999... then we can multiply both sides by ten yielding 10a = 9.999... then subtracting a (which is 0.999...) from both sides we get 10a — a = 9.999... — 0.999... which reduces to 9a = 9 and thus a = 1. Mathematicians as far back as Euler have used various means to prove 0.999... = 1."

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  1. (0.999...)st Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    (0.999...)st Post!

    1. Re:(0.999...)st Post! by arivanov · · Score: 3, Funny

      2+2=5 for sufficiently big values of 2.

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    2. Re:(0.999...)st Post! by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Funny

      Geez these first posters. Like spammers, always looking for a new attack vector. I'm sure he's been sitting on this particular exploit for a long time, just waiting for his opportunity to strike. You've won today, but we're all onto your trick when you try to (0.999...)st post the next story...

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    3. Re:(0.999...)st Post! by derrida · · Score: 5, Funny

      2+2=5 for sufficiently big values of 2.

      or for sufficiently small values of 5.

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    4. Re:(0.999...)st Post! by Vintermann · · Score: 4, Funny

      But, if you choose the rounding method known as "floor", then 0.999... is 0, right? So for sufficiently bad rounding methods, 1 = 0.

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    5. Re:(0.999...)st Post! by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Who were right in Mobile - One and one don't make two, one and one make one.

      One and three is one, too.

      One and two is zero.

    6. Re:(0.999...)st Post! by acedotcom · · Score: 3, Funny

      geek humor...ruining it for everybody.

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    7. Re:(0.999...)st Post! by LastDawnOfMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Which is why it's a good idea to forego buying food that advertises itself as having "0% trans fats."

    8. Re:(0.999...)st Post! by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shoot, I just spent my last 0.999... mod points.

    9. Re:(0.999...)st Post! by unitron · · Score: 2, Funny

      There is no such thing as beyond infinite...

      Unfamiliar with Pixar physics, I see.

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  2. I went one further by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was able to prove that with even one less "9" after the decimal point, it STILL equaled 1. I plan on doing this for a few more iteration until I can prove that . = 1

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    1. Re:I went one further by atisss · · Score: 2, Funny

      All you have to do now is to prove that / = 1, then you could just type http:1 in your browser to visit /.

    2. Re:I went one further by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, if ./ = 1/, you just messed my filesystem, and the web.

    3. Re:I went one further by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      And seriously... is this really front page material?

      You'd rather argue about smartphones?

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    4. Re:I went one further by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Funny

      Excellent point. I will submit a story about 1/2 = 0.4999999....

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    5. Re:I went one further by Eunuchswear · · Score: 3, Funny

      Absolutely.

      Did I tell you that the N899.999... is the the bee's knees?

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  3. Finally by kannibul · · Score: 2, Funny

    Someone disproved math. Kids around the world celebrating. Accountants are lighting themselves on fire. Corporate greed accellerates. 'Office Space' now seen as a prophecy.

    1. Re:Finally by Vectormatic · · Score: 5, Funny

      just as long as no-one proves 0 = 1 we computerpeople are safe...

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    2. Re:Finally by AshtangiMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think about this from time to time when messing with changing units. 2 cm squared is 4 cm2 and 4>2. But .02 m squared is .0004 m2 and .0004 .02. They both describe the same amounts. I obsessed over this for a while one day until I realized that the relative values of a scaler and an area meant little, but for a while I was really worried.

  4. Time to Update my SLA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can replace my SLA with 100% uptime.

  5. Re:I'm Surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    They damn well better, how else will I measure out all this dental floss.

  6. Oh yeah? Well... by sootman · · Score: 2, Funny

    a = b
    a^2 = ab
    a^2 - b^2 = ab - b^2
    (a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
    a + b = b
    2b = b
    2 = 1

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  7. Cribbed, Since My Memory for Jokes Sucks by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the high school gym, all the girls in the class were lined up against one wall, and all the boys against the opposite wall. Then, every ten seconds, they walked toward each other until they were half the previous distance apart. A mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer were asked, "When will the girls and boys meet?"

    The mathematician said: "Never."
    The physicist said: "In an infinite amount of time."
    The engineer said: "Well... in about two minutes, they'll be close enough for all practical purposes."

  8. And if by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Funny

    0.99999... is equal to 1, then 0.999999...8 is equal to 0.99999... and 0.9999999...7 is equal to 0.999999...6 etc etc etc until 1 = 0! Holy shit!

    Or we could just admit that using a tool incorrectly produces idiotic results.

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  9. Re:Sometimes by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's a real crowd-pleaser at parties. Personally I like the "writing an executable java program without a main method" trick to impress the ladies myself--that is, if I ever get to meet an actual lady who would even get that trick.

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  10. Re:This is just faulty math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    But you cannot reach infinity so this is a moot point.

    I think you just dismissed most of mathematics.

  11. Re:Then again... by kannibul · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wasn't trolling :(

  12. Re:I'm Surprised by ByOhTek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh... They aren't empty. The aliens live in them now. They think the high radiation is good for their complexion.

    No, Ziaxia, I wasn't telling them anything on slashdot, GET OUT OF MY HEAD! GET OUT OF MY HEAD! AHHHHHH!!!! Don't make me explode! ^h^h^h^h^h^hcarrier lost

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  13. Re:When you add/subtract/multiply/divide infinite by BlackPignouf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wrong, wrong and wrong.

    First off, you're not talking about sets, but separate finite numbers.

    Then, infinity is neither rational nor irrational.

    Then, all numbers that have "infinite repeating decimals" are rational. See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_number

    The decimal expansion of a rational number always either terminates after finitely many digits or begins to repeat the same finite sequence of digits over and over. Moreover, any repeating or terminating decimal represents a rational number. These statements hold true not just for base 10, but also for binary, hexadecimal, or any other integer base.

    So that means 0.999999..... is rational. Which rational you ask? Why! 9/9 :D

    Finally, if you say 0.99999999..... is less than 1 : what is the difference between both?
    We know it's less than any positive epsilon (0.1, 0.01, or 0.00000.....00001).
    Which means it's nil.
    There's no place for a single mosquito fart between 0.999999... and 1.

  14. Re:This is second place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    And easy way to explain the Monty Hall problem is.
    Lets say there are 100 doors, you pick 1 door. Then someone with knowledge of right/wrong doors opens 98 other wrong doors. There is only 2 doors left the one you picked and probably what is the correct door. Would you switch?

    Well, in that specific case, yes :-D.

  15. Re:Or by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Funny

    As a mathematician, I have always hated people who claim that 0.999... = 1 can't be true.

    As a nerd, I have always hated people that hate others for trivial reasons. You're just a math bully.

  16. Corrected, Since My Memory for Jokes Sucks by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the high school gym, all the girls in the class were lined up against one wall, and all the boys against the opposite wall. Then, every ten seconds, they walked toward each other until they were half the previous distance apart. A mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer were asked, "When will the girls and boys meet?"

    The mathematician said: "Never."
    The physicist said: "Eventually, they will come to a point where they would be required to move less than 1.616252(81)×1035 meters closer together. From the uncertainty principle, we know we cannot measure position more accurately than that. So either they will not move at all, or they will superimpose at that point."
    The engineer said: "Well... in about two minutes, they'll be close enough for all practical purposes."

  17. Re:Cat and Mouse by blueg3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    An infinite number of mathematicians walk into a bar. The first one orders a beer. The second one orders a half a beer. The third orders a quarter of a beer. The bartender says, "You're all idiots," and pours two beers.

  18. Re:This is second place by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Typical engineer. Here's the operations perspective:
    a reliability of 1.0 equates to never fail.
    a reliability of .999... means "sometime fail".

    The sales guy will sell 1.0, and when failure happens, explain that what was really meant was .999...

    Good luck with that.

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  19. Re:This is second place by Chapter80 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I remember being told this in highschool. There was much objection, but the teacher shut us up by simply saying "give me a number in between them."

    Duh. 0.9999... and a half!