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How To Deflect an Asteroid With Today's Technology

Matt_dk writes "Apollo 9 astronaut Rusty Schweickart is among an international group of people championing the need for the human race to prepare for what will certainly happen one day: an asteroid threat to Earth. Schweickart said the technology is available today to send a mission to an asteroid in an attempt to move it, or change its orbit so that an asteroid that threatens to hit Earth will pass by harmlessly. But what would such a mission entail?"

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  1. Let's get this over with. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bruce Willis.

    1. Re:Let's get this over with. by Fozzyuw · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're over thinking this. All you need is a wedge shaped ship that shoots square bullets.

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  2. It all depends on detection... by Covalent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously it depends on detection time. If we detect the asteroid years ahead of time, then even tiny changes in course will save us from impact. This could be done by simply crashing a small probe into it...something we've done successfully on more than one occasion. But, if we don't detect it until it's nearly on top of us then it may well be beyond our ability to do it. Therefore, the obvious solution is to increase detection technology.

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    1. Re:It all depends on detection... by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oddly, we are doing detection totally wrong. We have several scopes out there looking for asteroids. But they will be picking up monster ones. The ones that are far more likely to hit us will not be picked up as easily. So what is needed? A cheap cheap telescope that can be roof mounted, and uses POE to provide data/power. In doing that, it will encourage a number of geeks around the world to install these. Then the scope relays data back to a central server where pics are compared. In particular, if one gets a flash, not a big deal. OTH, if several spread around the world get a flash in the same area (basically sunlight glancing off an asteroid as it slowly turns), then it says that the area should be looked at. This approach will enable us to know WHERE to look for small to medium asteroids.

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    2. Re:It all depends on detection... by Covalent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I couldn't agree more. A big asteroid impact would also likely be out of our hands in terms of prevention...but a small impact could still devastate a city, and we could actually deflect it. This has "distributed computing project" written all over it.

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    3. Re:It all depends on detection... by denis-The-menace · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It needs to be off-planet to see better.
      Place it on the moon, in one of the 2 LaGrange points, in orbit, or where ever it makes $en$e.

      Because right now we have next to nothing and this currently popular "manage by crisis" management style will do nothing to help.

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    4. Re:It all depends on detection... by purfledspruce · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The moon would be ok. In a Venus-trailing orbit would be much better. One of the problems we have is that we can only see asteroids when they're lit up by the Sun, and asteroids that have an orbit almost entirely inside of the Earth's orbit are hard to see--only the backside gets lit up, so we can't see them very well.

      A vehicle placed at Venus's orbit, though, would be able to see those potentially dangerous asteroids quite well.

    5. Re:It all depends on detection... by hcdejong · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do we have evidence that small asteroids can be detected this way? Does a small asteroid's albedo ever get high enough to be picked up by a small telescope?

    6. Re:It all depends on detection... by tbischel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      one way to change an asteroid's trajectory over a long period of time is to take advantage of the Yarkovsky effect.

    7. Re:It all depends on detection... by blair1q · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We don't only find the monster ones.

      We commonly track asteroids under 500 feet wide; much smaller than a planet-killer.

      It will be comparatively easy to detect a planet-killer sized asteroid and determine its trajectory in plenty of time to launch a deterrent mission.

      A surprise impact by anything with major destructive capability is vanishingly unlikely at this point. Improvements in detection shouldn't be prioritized, but should be allowed to continue at a normal pace.

      Deciding how to minimize the destruction should be the focus, and we don't really know how to do it with a high degree of confidence, yet. So deflection technology should be prioritized.

    8. Re:It all depends on detection... by jmichaelg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Depends on what you call small.

      There's a mailing list, Minor Planet Mailing List, where amateur and professional asteroid hunters congregate and their equipment covers the gamut from 8" up meters wide scopes.

      Regardless of scope size, they are all limited by the fact that it's hard to look towards the sun to spot asteroids whose orbits are primarily sunward of us. A well shaded scope parked at a Lagrange point could go a long ways towards addressing that threat.

    9. Re:It all depends on detection... by blair1q · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You couldn't do it by station-keeping next to the asteroid. You'd have to maintain thrust directed at the asteroid. First, the thrust couldn't last very long, and second, it would just push the asteroid back away from the ship. You could fire it in a conical pattern, but then you decrease the effective thrust you get from your fuel.

      All you really do by putting a lightweight object near an asteroid is create a heavier asteroid. If you have enough reaction mass to manage the sort of station-keeping you imagine, then you might as well put the vehicle on the asteroid and point the thrust outward, and push the asteroid into another trajectory.

    10. Re:It all depends on detection... by Hylandr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would buy one of these in a heartbeat, and SETI already has the software and server resources to start to handle this. The expensive part though, will be the mechanisms for positioning, and reliably tracking in the night sky. Good tracking isn't cheap, as even the slightest vibrations will obfuscate really small objects. Add to that vibrations inherent on the roof of a home, Doors, washing machines, children playing, loud cars, wind etc. You would need a small solid tower separate from the home, as well as a lightning rod etc.

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    11. Re:It all depends on detection... by TheTrueScotsman · · Score: 2, Informative

      kinetic energy = 0.5 * mass * (velocity ^ 2). At the differential velocity of an asteroid, you'll need one heck of a lot of mass in your shield. Far better to move it small amounts over a long time period (i.e. early detection).

    12. Re:It all depends on detection... by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So please, stop doomsaying, the experts say they are ready to nuke the sucker if that's what needs to be done.

      MIT were saying that back in the 60s, so it's not really news.

      But there's the slight problem of being able to _get_ a nuke to the asteroid in the first place; the MIT study used an Apollo CSM on top of a Saturn V with a 100MT nuke on board, and there's not much hope of being able to fix up one of the remaining Saturn Vs to fly at short notice and nuke an incoming asteroid today (they also planned to launch 5-6 of them to allow for failures and near misses).

    13. Re:It all depends on detection... by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Funny

      a small impact could still devastate a city, and we could actually deflect it.

      ... to a neighbouring city, preferably one with a hated sports franchise.

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  3. tough choice by djdanlib · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What if we only have the ability to divert it a little bit, if and when that comes? Then we only control WHERE it hits, not WHETHER it hits. So how do we choose, I wonder?

    1. Re:tough choice by Ephemeriis · · Score: 2, Informative

      What if we only have the ability to divert it a little bit, if and when that comes? Then we only control WHERE it hits, not WHETHER it hits. So how do we choose, I wonder?

      If the asteroid is big enough, it won't really matter where it hits. Anywhere on the planet will be a global disaster.

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    2. Re:tough choice by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Informative
      At least get the quote right:

      Those Asteroids that hit this morning---those were nothing---the size of basketballs and Volkswagens. This new one we're tracking is the size of Texas, Mr. President. It's what we call a Global Killer....the end of mankind. Half the world will be incinerated by the heat blast.....the rest will freeze to death in a nuclear winter. Basically, the worst part of the Bible !

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    3. Re:tough choice by volsung · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The best choice is almost certainly to aim for the Pacific and evacuate all the coastal areas. The devastation from a mega-tsunami is far preferable (and more temporary) than the long-term climate disruption of a land collision. The amount of dust ejected into the air could easily trigger a "nuclear winter" kind of disaster.

  4. Early Detection by vekrander · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The most beneficial thing we could do is build a system to detect such asteroids as early as possible. Once located, it's easy to deflect an asteroid that's far away. A small nudge or impact from a probe or the like would push it out of an intercept course while it's still far away. The closer it gets, the more force is required to push it off at an angle that will keep it out of our way. It may take a few newtons of force to deflect an astroid coming in from as far away as saturn, but much more to deflect an asteroid that's already close to mars.

    I guess in simpler terms, if we had a really awesome early detection system, all we need is a small rocket launched from the ISS to impact it, wheras with a crappy system, we need Bruce Willis.

  5. Spoiler alert by srussia · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bruce Willis died deflecting the last one. It'll have to be Ben Affleck next time... finally.

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    1. Re:Spoiler alert by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you miss being non-monogamous so much, you should've stayed that way...

      I miss the young more than the non-monogamous, and I didn't get a choice on that.

      It's true that I do miss parts of being single at times or are nostalgic for its bright spots, but it's also true that I do overall prefer the life I've chosen to replace it with. My wife is amazing. Family life with anyone else I'd met or dated never seemed like a good idea, but this is right for me.

    2. Re:Spoiler alert by McPierce · · Score: 2, Funny

      I, for one, would like to throw my support towards any effort that results in Ben Affleck being shot at an asteroid.

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  6. The cost... by Dancindan84 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    None of them want to pay taxes again. Ever.

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    1. Re:The cost... by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Funny

      None of them want to pay taxes again. Ever.

      I don't think a spaceshipload of teabaggers is going to be the right choice skillset-wise for effectively deflecting an asteroid. Can't we just put them on the B-Ark and fly them into the Sun?

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  7. Talking about the apocalypse... by T+Murphy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Speaking of the apocalypse: Of course doomsday predictions are always for a future date. It would be much more interesting if someone figured out a doomsday prediction for a date 3 years past. That would mean someone has to make a time machine to go back and warn them that the world is about to end. Knowing the world didn't end we could be certain that we will succeed in the time-travel mission.

    This of course means that when the world does end it isn't our fault- it's the fault of the people from the future failing to post-predict the apocalypse and make a time machine to stop it.

  8. solutions from the article by hAckz0r · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The mention both impact and gravity tractors, and both have their problems.

    The "impact" method stands the chance of splitting the asteroid into man little pieces, and since that process of splitting absorbs energy less of it is available to deflect the body from its current course. To have enough mass going at a high enough velocity to contain enough energy to nudge it into a different trajectory you need heavy lift rockets with very fast final stage projectiles. The more velocity the more energy, but the more of that energy that will create debris that potentially causes even more problems. The best solution would be a very heavy object moving slowly, but the would be impossible to lift and deploy. Using nukes would allow a smaller projectile, but would very likely cause radioactive debris to renter earth's atmosphere. Not good. Its better to land on it and push it into the sun's gravity well.

    The 'Gravity tractor' method requires just as much energy as pushing the asteroid, but you need LOTS of mass to make it work. Again you need heavy lift equipment to make this work, and I seriously doubt you can lift enough mass into space, and move it to where it needs to be, in time to effect the trajectory by much. You are still better off using that same fuel to get there quickly and push it lightly for a while into a new trajectory.

    1. Re:solutions from the article by MozeeToby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Using nukes would allow a smaller projectile, but would very likely cause radioactive debris to renter earth's atmosphere. Not good. Its better to land on it and push it into the sun's gravity well.

      I thought the idea for nukes was to set the off well away from the surface so that one side of the asteroid ablates off producing a net thrust. This is preferred because it doesn't waste energy breaking a large rock into smaller pieces, doesn't create debris, and can also be effective on 'rubble pile' type asteroids.

      And of course, the biggest advantage for a nuke is that it's the densest form of energy storage that we have, you can send a nuclear warhead up for way less delta-V than an equivalent amount of rocket fuel, even if the nuke is only 40% efficient in terms of energy to thrust. But then I suppose you could have an Ion type engine that uses little propellent and gathers energy from solar panels or even a nuclear reactor. Find a way to use the asteroid itself as the propellent (mass driver), use energy from the sun, and the necessary automation to gather and process the rock and you'd have a very light weight solution (with the added advantage of setting up the first, prototypical asteroid mining facility).

    2. Re:solutions from the article by sznupi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or solar sail. Or utilize Yarkovsky effect by spraying the object with paint and/or shading it & illuminating different parts of it (again, basically a sail). With so many possibilities, we should be fine - assuming early enough detection.

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    3. Re:solutions from the article by blair1q · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The ablation thing is inefficient. Use a nuclear reactor on the asteroid surface to melt itself down, melting a portion of the asteroid and directing it through the melt hole into space. You can send up a big reactor, use the asteroid itself as reaction mass, and get much more efficiency than a blast and an ablation.

      As for "rubble pile" asteroids, those would tend to break up and explode in the atmosphere. The more you can disperse them before they hit the atmosphere, the better. So embed a nuclear bomb and explode it when it's a few days out, so it doesn't have time to reform.

    4. Re:solutions from the article by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I suppose one should calculate of what materials the Asteroid is made, and determine the least material necessary to make a combustion from those materials. If, for example, the Asteroid is ice; one could land, then use sunlight to convert water into hydrogen and oxygen, then fire off jets at optimal moments in the rotation. This isn't very complicated, and we've already intercepted an asteroid.

  9. The Earth would be fine by MadTwit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...we wouldn't.There is no possible threat to the Earth which humans could ever make even the smallest abount of diffence about. Instead there is a threat to civilisation. Pedantic, I know but the only threat to the earth is crashing into a star or another planet. Humanity compared is much more fragile, threatened by a mere mile wide rock or similar.

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  10. Gorath - 1962 by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought this was already solved?
    You don't move the asteroid... you move the Earth! With lots of giant hydrogen powered rocket tubes at the South Pole!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf2lvRStVdg

  11. Re:The best defense by jpolonsk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Would you like to know more?

  12. Re:Nukes by jpolonsk · · Score: 2, Funny

    What, the movies have lied to me? Next you'll be telling me that you can't enhance a photo so many times that you get more information from a reflection in it then was originally taken.

  13. How to move asteroids. by kurokame · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You find out its orbital and mechanical properties as early as possible.

    Then you send a gravity tug to change the orbit.

  14. Re:Where is the private sector here? by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cost of preventing impact >>> (cost of impact * probabilitiy of impact)

    About once a century we get an impact that's equivalent to a few megatons, and there's a 75% chance of it hitting an ocean and about a 99% chance of not hitting a heavily populated area. Sucks if your farm happens to be ground zero, but there's no sane reason to spend billions of dollars a year trying to prevent it.

  15. Re:Nukes by sznupi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nukes provide just a very short impulse; transferring it to the whole rubble pile might turn out to be problematic.

    Gravity tractors (and few other methods) can work months, years; and force from them works uniformly (or in the case of some other methods - very gently)

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  16. ETA: 2 days by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Informative

    The last 2 discovered asteroids that passed "close" (at least, closer than the moon, the last one was few days ago at 45k km) were found with very few days in advance. They weren't very big, but still could had done some big damage, and the early warning wasnt enough to even think on launching a ship, much less doing anything effective with it.

    Early detection must be improved... that some of the asteroids that we know could take 15 years to get here and so give us enough time to prepare don't mean that some unknown or even known ones (if you want, because somehow changed its orbit) could be in its way here and detected when is already too late.

  17. wouldnt it be easier to... by Rivalz · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think we are looking at this the wrong way. We should instead be trying to turn the moon into our own deathstar. That way we can change its orbital position to deflect or intercept the asteroid. That way we get multiple uses out of it and can also rule the solar system once our deathstar becomes fully operational. How hard would it be to put enough rockets on the moon to be able to drive it around... Seriously NASA WTF are you guys doing trying to land a little rocket on a asteroid when you could be asking for funding to drive the Moon.

  18. Re:Armchair astronomy by mea37 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just because your target mass is large, doesn't mean you need a lot of mass to change its course. If you have a spaceship "heavy enough" to move a 1-ton rock, then it's also "heavy enough" to move a 100-ton rock because an object's deflection in a gravitational field is independent of that object's own mass.

    This is an extension of an experiment you've probably seen in high school physics. Drop a tennis ball and a bowling ball, and they move just the same under gravity's influence.

    But that's not to say that moving a larger mass is "free"; it does require more energy. As your tractor exerts 100x more force on the larger asteroid, it will also suffer 100x more force pulling it back toward the asteroid. Since your tractor isn't your impactor, it will have to spend energy fighting that force.

    Now I have no idea what sort of propulsion you would use to maintain the tractor's position relative to the asteroid. If you used a chemical rocket then "more energy" requires "more mass", but that would seem to have a problem anyway in that you'd be throwing your exhaust right at the asteroid, pushing against your own gravitational pull.

    In any case, remember that the Earth is a relatively small target, and the courses would have to intersect in 4 dimensions (don't foret time) to cause a collision. Given years of lead time, the "push" required wouldn't be as much as you may think.

  19. His plan won't work by Bemopolis · · Score: 2, Funny

    He forgot to account for the Congressional hearings, where conservatives will deny the existence of "these so-called space rocks" (they aren't, after all, mentioned in the Bible), and just a ploy to rake in more moolah for Big Astronomy. Not to mention the flurry of state AG witchhunts into the astronomers' emails.

    On the other hand, if one of the scientists said that there was a possibility that the asteroid had a diamond core, a private sector solution would no doubt be undertaken by DeBeers.

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  20. Practice, Practice, Practice by uzd4ce · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ok, what we really need to do is create a simulator for a small craft to destroy the asteroid while said craft and means of deployment is being developed. Something using vector graphics should be quick and easy to come up with on the simulator side. The craft should be maneuverable and have a cannon capable of breaking the large asteroid into smaller and smaller chunks until these chunks can be destroyed by the cannon. Incidentally, the cannon should also be able to defend against alien craft in case of their interference. High scorers can be recruited to pilot the craft to save the earth.