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'Officer Bubbles' Sues YouTube Commenters Over Mockery

An anonymous reader writes "'Officer Bubbles' — the Toronto Police Constable who was videotaped threatening a G20 protester with arrest for assault over the crime of blowing bubbles at a police officer has had enough of mocking videos and comments on YouTube. He has decided to sue everyone involved (commenters included) for more than a million dollars each. The complaint is detailed in his statement of claim — most of the comments seem fairly tame by internet standards; if this goes anywhere, everyone is going to have to watch what they say pretty carefully. The lawsuit appears to have been successful in intimidating the author of the mocking cartoons into taking them down."

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  1. Countersuit by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They need to collectively countersue him for legal fees.

    1. Re:Countersuit by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Men will never be free until the last policeman is strangled with the entrails of the last banker"
      -- Diderot, or so.

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    2. Re:Countersuit by NFN_NLN · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They need to collectively countersue him for legal fees.

      Seriously, how is this sue worthy:

        Pussymcfats wrote in response, “officer bubbles probably looks at himself in the mirror a lot.”

      Officer Bubbles was abusing his power then and he's trying to do it again.

  2. Great idea by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And suing people making sarcastic comments on the internet is going to make everyone respect him... sure, let's go with that.

    1. Re:Great idea by cgenman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's certainly going to erase the bad impression of him from the internet. Especially now that he's on legal record as "officer bubbles."

  3. Re:ugh by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes. In Canada they're Royal douches!

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  4. Re:Streisand effect coming by EasyTarget · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah.. I love the way 'Officer Bubbles (*)' laywer is saying 'the videos are now removed and that is the end of it'.

    Someone is about to have a very bad morning.

    (*) I'd make a joke about Michael Jackson and chimps in uniform here, but mocking the dead... now that -is- sick.

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  5. Re:ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well..it's good to see that it's not only cops in the US that are douches...

    And I was thinking "it's good to see that it's not only people in the US that are douches..."

    Cops aren't people, silly!

  6. Why so many cops are pricks by JustNiz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone who actively seeks becoming a cop (or a politician) has already proven they are fundamentally the wrong person for the job.

    1. Re:Why so many cops are pricks by kevinNCSU · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For elected leaders I can maybe understand that logic, but that doesn't make the least bit of sense for police officers. Would you prefer there to be some sort of draft for police officers? So the cop responding to your 911 intruder call is some scared housewife or accountant who got drafted last month and is liable to shoot the first thing that moves when they come through the door?

    2. Re:Why so many cops are pricks by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So they tased a person who was cuffed?

      Those pigs should be in jail and you are the trash.

    3. Re:Why so many cops are pricks by rwhamann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the American Air Force, we questions superiors routinely. As long as it's done respectfully, it's usually welcome, and often improves accomplishment of the mission.

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    4. Re:Why so many cops are pricks by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, but the people who normally seek those jobs are just thugs. They don't want to help they want to crack skuils and be a big tough man.

    5. Re:Why so many cops are pricks by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would you prefer there to be some sort of draft for police officers?

      For some police, it's not like we'd be doing worse, but no. I think the answer is instead to realize that most people going onto the police force have some tendencies that really need to be ironed out. Currently, they seem to be encouraged. If you've ever known someone who was going into the police force, you may have found that they weren't the nicest people before hand, but afterwards they're damn near intolerable. That has been my experience anyway.

      Maybe make police repeat 100 times twice a day "I am NOT superior to the other citizens. Citizens do NOT owe me respect because I have a badge and a gun," or something like that.

    6. Re:Why so many cops are pricks by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Threatening to kill someone actually is assault. It's battery that's actually hitting someone. Assault is just an immediate credible threat and the ability to pull it off. Aka, someone standing there with a baseball bat who swings it near your head a few times to scare you...just committed assault.

      I'm not sure that someone in the back of a police car can be said to do that, though.

      However, that doesn't mean there's any justification for tasing someone trapped in the back seat of a police car.

      And, of course, thanks to the dash-cam, they had an open and shut case for assault against the police, and hell, probably could have gotten him denied bail (If, after you're arrested, you threaten to kill people, they'll deny your bail pretty automatically.) ...but they fucked up and who knows what happened.

      It's rather hilarious how a 'pro-police' idiot managed to describe some police behavior that is blatantly illegal.

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  7. Re:Drinking session by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems having them behave more like public servants and less like gangbangers might be helpful in more cases than just this one.
    The gang in blue somedays seems far more dangerous to public safety than many others.

  8. Some people insist on being arrested by RapmasterT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think it's all that hard for an adult to understand that blowing soap bubbles into a police officers face is going to get you arrested, and he did give her the courtesy of a warning first. I don't really see the controversy there. Well, not unless people are unable to disentagle the word "bubble" from the "soap" part. Blowing a rather effective eye irritant in a cops direction isn't likely to end well, no matter if it's in bubble or other form.

    it does seem like he could have a thicker skin about random internet jackhole comments though. you don't HAVE to read them.

    1. Re:Some people insist on being arrested by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think it's all that hard for an adult to understand that blowing soap bubbles into a police officers face is going to get you arrested, and he did give her the courtesy of a warning first. I don't really see the controversy there. Well, not unless people are unable to disentagle the word "bubble" from the "soap" part. Blowing a rather effective eye irritant in a cops direction isn't likely to end well, no matter if it's in bubble or other form.

      By that logic, allowing children to play with soap bubble is child endangerment.

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    2. Re:Some people insist on being arrested by RapmasterT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He didn't give her a warning. He gave her a threat.

      I guess. He did give her a "threat" of arrest if she continued her behavior. Some might call that a "warning". It seems a pointless exercise in semantics.

      But hey, don't listen to me, I'm just some guy on the internet. If anyone wants to act like a jackass to cops, and ignore warning/threats of arrest, go for it. Just don't expect me to cry any tears over the injustice of it all. Apparently there's no shortage of people who WILL, but it won't be me.

    3. Re:Some people insist on being arrested by Myopic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not? I'm an adult and I find it hard to understanding the criminal basis of blowing bubbles. In fact, I think blowing bubbles is a pretty excellent example of a thing that is nearly impossible to consider assault.

    4. Re:Some people insist on being arrested by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Insightful

        He didn't give her a warning. He gave her a threat.

      I guess. He did give her a "threat" of arrest if she continued her behavior. Some might call that a "warning". It seems a pointless exercise in semantics.

      No, he gave her an arbitrary order, followed by "or else". She was doing something perfectly legal, and a cop told her to stop or he would arrest her on a trumped up charge if she did not obey him immediately.

      That's abuse of power. That's not something you should defend.

      don't expect me to cry any tears over the injustice of it all

      Oh, don't worry, I don't expect you to cry over an injustice. I expect you probably get half a hard-on when you witness an injustice, I figure your love for authority (and the limitless exercise thereof) must be conflated with your lust.

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    5. Re:Some people insist on being arrested by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      he did give her the courtesy of a warning first

      There was no courtesy in what he did or how he did it. It was very aggressive, threatening, and downright rude, and it is very obvious from the video that he was posturing and rather enjoying himself.

      If anything, he did the best he could to provoke an angry (and possibly violent) response from the girl and those around her. After watching this, I can't help but wonder how many of the violence outbreaks during those protests could be similarly provoked by the police.

    6. Re:Some people insist on being arrested by gfreeman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because playground "law" is EXACTLY the same as street law. Not.

      As an adult, just try punching someone who was "annoying you" and see how far you get in court.

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  9. Re:Drinking session by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Standard crowd control tactics. If you're facing an ugly mob that hugely outnumbers you, the only way to keep things under control is often to convince the crowd that you're uglier. I agree that a lot of LEOs everywhere take the concept to places it shouldn't be though.

  10. Re:Drinking session by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No. Officer bubble should sit down with a psychiatrist. Other people didn't do anything wrong.

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  11. Mr Bubbles, you must be new around here by feedayeen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mr Bubbles, you seem to have a fundamentally wrong idea as to how the Internet works and an understanding of the Streisand Effect will be invaluable in the coming months as you are mocked not only by not only YouTube commenters, but also journalists who will undoubtedly pick up the story and your own friends as they read about it.

  12. Toronto Police Const. Adam Josephs is a fascist by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sue me.

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  13. Re:You Know What They Say? by NFN_NLN · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mad Dogs and Policemen.

    So this is why police don't like to be filmed?! It makes them accountable for their douchery after the fact.

    Looks like the court of public opinion made its ruling on Officer Bubbles, I sure hope the official court sees things the same way.

  14. Re:Drinking session by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know we didn't get to see the crowd very well, but the part of we we did see in that video was anything but ugly. Mostly just people milling about, taking pictures, and one lady blowing bubbles. It wasn't exactly a mob situation. It didn't even sound very angry in the background.

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  15. Re:Drinking session by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 2, Informative

    A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

  16. To play devil's advocate by Godai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The initial incident was pretty silly and I don't have much sympathy for the officer being ridiculed for that, but my understanding is it elevated past that quite quickly. From other articles I've read, there were cartoons & posts about him beating people and what not. You can argue that it was for fun but there was a note in one of the articles that libel laws cover comments & such on websites, so if you do it you'd better be careful its not defamatory.

    Its a kind of tricky line. Anonymity is a powerful and -- often -- good force on the Internet, but there are clearly times when it can be a detriment. Its not hard to design a thought exercise: imagine that newspapers were printed anonymously or articles within them were written anonymously. Yes, I know sources remain anonymous, but in those cases the author of the piece takes responsibility for any libel (well, them and their publisher). If a paper could just publish blatant nonsense that was incredibly defamatory, I doubt many of us would stick up for them. So why do we stick up for some assholes getting their kicks on a bulletin board? It probably didn't matter that much ten years ago, but with YouTube and Facebook and all the viral crap, stuff that would have limited to a few people having a chuckle can now range unpredictably large. Hell, just look at the whole cyber-bullying phenomenon.

    Make fun of the officer for being an idiot with the bubble lady -- he deserves that. I'm not sure he deserves some of the other crap, or even if you think he does, if its defamatory (let the lawyers argue that) and you say it, you can be held accountable. There have always been limits on speech -- American 1st amendment not withstanding -- so I don't know why people think the Internet is somehow a special magical case.

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    1. Re:To play devil's advocate by onkelonkel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Parody. When you purposely exaggerate certain aspects of a situation in order to show how ridiculous it is. The officer Bubbles video is textbook parody. No more no less.

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    2. Re:To play devil's advocate by cgenman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Defamation laws vary by country quite a bit, so I can only comment from the perspective of someone from California. But in a place where people openly post cartoons of our president dressed as Hitler, standards of defamation seem to be pretty solidly on the open-dialog side.

      Videos in question are here.

      Adam Josephs quickly made himself a symbol of the tiny everyday police abuses that build deep resentment in the community. This was not something someone did to him: he did it to himself. It may not be as potent a symbol as the shooting of an unarmed, complying suspect by Oakland officer Johannes Mehserle (and the subsequent attempted coverup). But it nonetheless resonates with people who have had that bad run in with an officer who abused his power and managed to turn an innocuous situation into a terrible one. If you watch the videos above, the officer is parodied arresting a woman for dancing in the street, and other things which all seem on similar lines as arresting a woman for blowing bubbles.

      And even suing the makers of the parody would make sense, albeit a messed up sense that should be thrown out of court immediately. But suing the commenters? And then YouTube?

      On a side note, I've had my fair share of interactions with the police. And every time they were courteous and professional, even when I was at the other end of their gun. But police abuses do happen, and have happened to people I care very much about. People like Adam Josephs need to be singled out as unacceptable outliers. Last week, I was chatting with an officer about how they were telling stories about bad situations they were in, and were looking for solutions to de-escalate the situations with minimal fuss. One told the story of how he was surrounded as he attempted to leave a bar, and someone blocked his way out with thinly veiled threats to kill him. The officer, being outnumbered, offered to buy his assailant a diet coke. This threw the assailant so much, they sat down, had a drink, chatted a bit, and the officer walked out of there alive.

      In the case of a bubble-blowing protester, even a simple "Hey, that's kind of annoying. Would you blow that somewhere else?" would have ended the situation right there. It takes a special kind of talent to start with a bubble-blowing peacenick and elevate it into an arrest. That's what these videos are satirizing, and they do so in a well targeted, irreverent, silly fashion.

  17. Need New Laws - citizen rights by RichMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Citizens need the right to record any public police action, and any police action in which the individual citizen is involved.
    This needs to be a law now.

    The public needs a clear law allowing for the recording of police actions and allowing for the recording to be owned by the citizen and protected from seizure by police officers.
    Some police do lie, some police do overstep the bounds, some police protect fellow officers.

  18. Re:Good luck with that by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're Canadian, you might have a problem, but Americans can tell this douche to stuff it.

    From the safety of their free speech cage.

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  19. Re:Why? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because they're used to exercising petty authority, and cannot stand having their miniscule power challenged. This has been the case since humans first built cities.

    Just be glad this retard doesn't have the power of life and death like his contemporaries had in ancient times. Just goes to show - the best measure of civilization is the ease with which a citizen can point and laugh at a stupid official.

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  20. "Flowers are better than bullets." ~ A. Krause by zenwarrior · · Score: 2, Informative

    This guy must be really pissed-off about missing Kent State where he could have killed a protester for placing a flower in his gun. So in memory of Kent State student Allison Krause who was killed on 4 May 1970 and said, "Flowers are better than bullets", after placing a flower in the barrel of a national guardsman's rifle, 40 years later I remind Officer Bubbles that, "Bubbles are better than bullets."

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  21. Re:Drinking session by trentblase · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are you for real? Don't you know bubbles are a detergent? A DETERGENT for God's sake! The situation was on the precipice of doom. DOOOM!

  22. Re:Drinking session by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Funny

    Standard crowd control tactics. If you're facing an ugly mob

    Cute girl blowing bubbles scares the ever living shit out of a 6+ feet tall, heavily armed and well backed-up man, see it on youTube!

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  23. Re:Drinking session by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's true. But it still doesn't justify him suing everyone that pointed and laughed at him afterward (if it did, I would have a bunch of big settlements from the day I went to school wearing Spock ears).

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  24. Re:ugh by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The amusing bit is that somehow I missed hearing about the whole Officer Bubbles thing until he decided to sue, which brought him up in the news again. Had the little jackass just kept his mouth shut and taken his well-deserved lumps for arresting a girl for assault-with-a-deadly-bubble, I'd never have known about him. I'm sure there are many others out there in the same boat. So he's brought quite a bit more shame and embarrassment on himself with this latest stunt.

    I wonder if he'll sue.

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  25. Re:Cartoons? by choongiri · · Score: 2, Informative
  26. Re:You Know What They Say? by cez · · Score: 2, Funny

    I used to blow bubbles when I was little... then he moved to Canada :(

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  27. Re:Drinking session by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they just act without thinking, why not use machines instead?
    Seems like it would be cheaper.

  28. Re:Drinking session by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Police officers are trained to create a zone of control around themselves, which would include things like threatening random passers-by and generally acting like thugs, its standard crowd control tactics, and while very far from acceptable civilised behaviour, it does work.

    If "standard crowd control tactics" doesn't accomplish anything and introduces new liabilities, they should rewrite their playbook.

    "Civilized" means "we gave up power so that there would be less evil in the world; we can't be consumed by fear and doubt and in that panic destroy people." As a tradeoff, certain trustworthy individuals must have power to prevent those who remain un-civilized from harming others. The only reason that's okay is because they can be trusted. He showed then, and he's showing now, he can't be trusted. He will be consumed, and he will hurt people, and he doesn't care. Get him off the fucking street.

  29. So cops cause riots. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ....which would include things like threatening random passers-by and generally acting like thugs, its standard crowd control tactics, and while very far from acceptable civilised behaviour, it does work.

    Oh, so that's why riots break out when the cops are around - the cops are acting like assholes and start it.

    I'll remember that if I'm ever called for jury duty and the cops are whining about how the crowd rioted and they had to bash people's skulls in, fired tear gas or used deadly force.

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  30. Officer Bubbles Is a Moron -- quote me on that! by eyenot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am not a doctor or a lawyer.

    I'm reading the document, and I think some things are clear:

    "Josephs is a police officer who abuses his position of authority"

    "Josephs mistreats members of the public"

    "Josephs is incompetent and unfit to be a police officer"

    "Josephs has psychological problems"

    "Josephs is a narcissist"

    "Josephs bullies members of the public"

    "Josephs is egotistical"

    Even if they weren't true following the protest event that was publicised on YouTube, they are true now that he's filed the lawsuit.

    Hopefully he's forced to actually present evidence of damages and not just to sit their weeping on the stand and crying about how his lack of dignity was publicised resulting in a lack of public respect for him.

    If he were to emphasize the statement under Sec.IV.40, ("Damages... Josephs has received threats of physical harm") I'm sure the public would have to remind him that police officers sign onto a job that is not popular with the public, and that threats against their person for so much as taking the job are something to be weathered.

    Sec.IV.41 notes that the defendant acted "callously" towards Josephs, and who knows -- in Canada, maybe there isn't really freedom of speech.

    What's obvious to me, though, underneath all of this, is that Josephs intends to amass over a million dollars and probably to use it to boost a career in entertainment. That's what people usually do when internet publicity ruins their lives -- they take the internet up on the offer and try to make good of their own charicature.

    At any rate, it's boring, I never heard of it before and I'm not likely to hear of it again, since it's Canadian, not America.

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  31. Re:Drinking session by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know we didn't get to see the crowd very well, but the part of we we did see in that video was anything but ugly. Mostly just people milling about, taking pictures, and one lady blowing bubbles. It wasn't exactly a mob situation. It didn't even sound very angry in the background.

    This is a G20 summit meeting, these people are there to protest their policies. Therefore, they are opposed to the entrenched power, therefore they are to subdued, beaten, and subjugated. That is what Toronto Police constable Adam Josephs was telling himself, as he wished the camera wasn't there so he could show that little white bitch who's the real man in that street. Sure, Adam Joseph probably can't get "it" up, but the city of Toronto conveniently provides him with a big black rod he can use for just such an occasion.

    Yes, I believe Toronto Police Const. Adam Josephs is a potential rapist, and believe that he does not routinely act on his impulses only because he has difficulty maintaining an erection. I do hope that litigious bastard doesn't find out who I am, he would surely sue me, and attempt to insert his night stick in my rectum to compensate for his lack of genital endowment through acts of abuse of power such as the one depicted in the video.

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  32. Re:Drinking session by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Smacking anyone who walks by with a stick is not thinking, it is what animals do.

    The plain fact is they signed up to risk their lives, not to risk other peoples lives, yet they act in the opposite of this manner.

    Just doing what you were trained to do, is not thinking, It is repetition, no different than the cat coming running when the tuna fish can is opened.

  33. Re:You Know What They Say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some times they won't be aggressive enough and things will turn ugly... other times they'll be too aggressive and look dumb.

    I couldn't agree more; it starts innocently enough with one person blowing bubbles, but what if someone else had started... two people blowing bubbles. Then three... how many bubble blowers should we as a society have to tolerate before we start supporting our police officer's efforts to stamp out this reckless waste of washing up liquid?

    On second thought, maybe the cop should have stepped 3 inches further back and made this otherwise lethal weapon system wholly ineffective. Based on his over-reaction, this guy should be more than familiar with exactly how far 3 inches is...

  34. Suggestion by killmenow · · Score: 2, Funny

    This guy should join forces with Gene Simmons. They're both douchebags trying to hunt down something as amorphous as fog.

  35. Re:ugh by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Streisand effect.

    This guy was seriously power tripping in the video. Why should anybody be surprised to find that he responds similarly to criticism? I suspect that even the officer next to him thinks he's a jackass, judging by how hard it looked like she was struggling to bite her tongue.

    Congrats, "Officer Bubbles". In my opinion, and that of most of the Internet viewing public, you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do not belong in uniform. Cops who are incapable of treating others with courtesy have no business interacting with the public. Give that guy a desk job, make him a crime scene investigator, whatever, but take him the heck off of any sort of duty where he interacts with the public on a regular basis.

    P.S. To "Officer Bubbles", I hope the people you are suing hit you with a SLAPP-back suit so fast it makes your LAWYER shit his pants... followed by having your sorry ass brought up on barratry charges.

    Welcome to the real world, where criticism is protected speech (unless it is threatening or libelous in nature, which opinions almost by definition cannot be).

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  36. Re:You Know What They Say? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are trained to take control of situations and something silly like not respecting their authority and blowing bubbles can sometimes escalate quickly into something worse.

    And often, taking 'control' of the situation means backing off. Moving back a few feet, losing the shades (notice the female officer with her glasses up) and smiling would have defused the whole thing right there.

    It's not like she was being particularly menacing. The officer was being an aggressive jerk for no good reason. Makes everybody look bad.

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  37. Re:ugh by Trails · · Score: 2, Funny

    We even have Royal Mounted Douches. Nothing is douchier than a horse's ass sitting on a horse.

  38. Re:ugh by OldSoldier · · Score: 2

    When I first read this I though some officer had the unfortunate last name of "Bubbles" and that the protestor was blowing bubbles as a mockery of his name. I was all set to have a smidgeon of sympathy for the officer. But then I saw the video. Nope... "Bubbles" was not his surname, he was just a dick.

  39. Re:Drinking session by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, but when the maniacs have something as deadly as soap bubbles, well all bets are off. A man has got to do what a man has got to do to protect society from bubbles. I don't like to use the term hero lightly, but in this case...

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  40. Re:Drinking session by QRDeNameland · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yup, I'm not saying he was justified, but in all likelihood he was just doing exactly as his training dictated.

    If so, why didn't the female officer next to him *not* react in the same way, instead silently bearing a look of embarrassment for her colleague's overreaction? Would she not have received the same training?

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  41. Re:You Know What They Say? by schon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They are trained to take control of situations and something silly like not respecting their authority and blowing bubbles can sometimes escalate quickly into something worse.

    So, a cop sees you doing something he doesn't like (say maybe dancing, or listening to music) and decides you're not "respecting his authority" - it gives him the right to come over to you and harrass you?

    fuck that.

    This cop had a choice - he could have just ignored it. The female cop that was talking to the protester has no problem, why did Officer Bubbles have to stick his nose in it?

  42. Re:Drinking session by FishCalledOscar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Get drunk with Officer Bubbles? How unpleasant. Shitting glass would be more fun.

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  43. Re:In defense of Officer Bubbles... by chemicaldave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    She stopped when asked. Watch the video again. After he says "If the bubble touches me, you're going to be arrested for assault," no more bubbles are seen.

    Right. Which is why I pointed out that it's interesting that there is no footage of her immediately prior to her arrest. According to this article, she wasn't even arrested for the bubbles.

    However, according to CNews, Winkels [the lady] confirmed that she wasn’t arrested for blowing bubbles but instead detained for wearing a backpack and having a lawyer’s number written on her arm. She was charged with one count of conspiracy to commit mischief over $5,000.

    So are people really upset that she was asked to stop or are they just misinformed due to suggestive editing in the video?

  44. Re:Though I don't agree with the lawsuits... by capnchicken · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought the young woman officer was handling herself very well. Either could have easily diffused the situation with a "please put the bubbles away ma'am, I don't want them getting in my/her eyes". And escalating from there, instead it's "If a bubble touches me, I'm going to arrest you for assault! That's a deliberate act! It's a detergent!! You want to bait the police!". He escalated the situation well past where it was, and was being far from professional.

    No one was following anyone around blowing bubbles, so your analogy falls flat. I'm guessing by worse you mean that you would shoot someone putting a flower down the barrel of your gun. Cops need to be held to a higher standard then what you or I would do, because they have been entrusted with a certain amount of authority over other people.

    You can tell which cops feel that they have adequate control over their own personal lives and which do not.

    Cops are there to serve and protect, unfortunately, their unions have all but eliminated that obligation.

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  45. Re:You Know What They Say? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The cops puts on a plastic face protector and thus totally cancels out her weapon of mass cleaning.

    Cops want the situation to turn ugly, they want to crack skulls, otherwise they would not use these methods at all.

  46. Re:Drinking session by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think it's pretty clear from the video that he wasn't talking to the mob. He was talking one-on-one to a single individual.

    It took all of two seconds to find a copy of the video in question here. Not sure why the officer's lawyer thinks they got it taken down successfully unless I'm missing something....

    I just love the look of shock on the female cop's face when this guy suddenly butted into a polite conversation between her and the completely peaceful, friendly female protester and threatened to arrest her for assault if one of the bubbles touched him. The "tell" was that her jaw dropped *very* visibly. So even other cops on scene thought his behavior was out of line. Based on that, it's hard to believe anyone could defend his behavior.

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  47. Re:You Know What They Say? by NFN_NLN · · Score: 3, Informative

    They've probably been in situations in the past where it turned ugly.

    One second people are blowing bubbles and the next they are throwing bubble bottles and then next it's rocks and people are setting cars and buildings on fire and looting.

    To be fair it doesn't count when the people throwing rocks and setting cars on fire are "agent provocateurs" (for which Canadian police actually admitted to using in the past).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

  48. Re:Drinking session by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yep and you saying that the police officer was correct for getting pissy about bubbles, doesnt make it true either. I don't know why she was soon arrested, but if it was for more bubbles then I say the cop needs to be fired.. immediately.

    In fact I would have immediately blown more bubbles in his general direction when he told me to stop. Take me to court, Ill make you look like a jackass in front of the world. Assault with a deadly bubble. Hell I would have turned around and put my hands behind my back the second he threatened to arrest me.

    Why do we let these public servants treat all people like they are criminals?

    It looks like even his partner thought he was a douche.

    Hey Officer Bubbles. YOUR A DOUCHE BAG!
    I await my lawsuit.

  49. Re:In defense of Officer Bubbles... by RattFink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    However, according to CNews, Winkels [the lady] confirmed that she wasn’t arrested for blowing bubbles but instead detained for wearing a backpack and having a lawyer’s number written on her arm. She was charged with one count of conspiracy to commit mischief over $5,000.

    So are people really upset that she was asked to stop or are they just misinformed due to suggestive editing in the video?

    Wow that seems an even more ridiculous reason for arrest then for blowing bubbles.

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  50. Re:ugh by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually no he's not power tripping. Defamation of a public figure and suing over that is legal in Canada.

    Welcome to Canada post Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Then again most people outside of Canada, and most inside Canada have no clue how the law works here.

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  51. Re:Good luck with that by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Informative

    You seem to forget that in the US, you're not allowed to protest these things at all.

    Apparently the right of people to peacefully assemble somehow means that the government is allowed to tell people where they can peacefully assemble, so whenever something like a G20 summit or the Democratic National Convention occurs,US Police set up "free speech zones" where people are allowed to protest without any danger of anyone noticing them.

    Protesting anywhere else will get your arrested.

    And, yes, I'm calling out the DNC here, not because the Republicans don't do it too (they do), but because the Democrats did it first.

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  52. Re:You Know What They Say? by Smauler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One second people are blowing bubbles and the next they are throwing bubble bottles and then next it's rocks and people are setting cars and buildings on fire and looting.

    Erm... What the fuck are you talking about? It's like I've entered an alternate dimension in which blowing bubbles is the first step onto becoming an international terrorist. Containing the situation is _entirely_ different from what was seen in the video. The cop was intimidating and overly aggressive.

    Confrontationalism like this is what often escalates situations up the straight linear path from bubble blowing to arson and looting.

    Wow... honestly.

  53. Re:You Know What They Say? by ksandom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The female cop that was talking to the protester has no problem, why did Officer Bubbles have to stick his nose in it?

    Good spotting. I hadn't noticed that. She was like "Is he going there?... Nooooo... He's going there!"

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  54. Re:You Know What They Say? by gfreeman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I endure insulting comments and inane questions at work all the time. Ever been to an inter-departmental meeting? Feel free to pop along with a camera crew and bring some bubbles, it'll actually help me endure the pain and loathing.

    A cop is supposed to be able to put up with way, WAY worse things in a demonstration environment - they're trained to put up with that sort of crap, and if Officer Bubbles breaks his training maybe he shouldn't be on the front line of a police demo response unit.

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  55. Re:You Know What They Say? by gfreeman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Meh, I don't think so. If I'm on a park bench blowing bubbles, and someone comes running up to me screaming for me to stop, it's not socially unacceptable for me to continue blowing bubbles. Because he's a police officer brings no weight to the argument, I'd carry on blowing bubbles even if he was a uniformed cop. It's not against the law to blow bubbles.

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  56. Re:You Know What They Say? by ehrichweiss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, homie was being a threatening asshole. Nobody was threatening him and he was just looking to be a dick to make up for the one he doesn't have. The other officer right beside him was cool and didn't give a fuck that she was blowing them because....the girl wasn't brandishing a rock or other weapon. The bubbles also weren't being blown "in his face", she was a good 4 feet away from him. So if you wanna come blow bubbles "in my face" at that range and with the same intensity(5-10 bubbles every 10 seconds or so..hell, I'll give you up to 100 of them), you could ask stupid questions all day long..most I'm gonna do is ignore you.

    You know there's this thing called.... *dealing with it*, and cops have to do it too... Of course with your attitude, I'm thinking you're probably a fellow pig(not all officers are pigs but Bubbles is)...maybe even Bubbles himself...

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  57. Re:Good luck with that by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You seem to forget that in the US, you're not allowed to protest these things at all.

    False. What you mean to say is you know of instances where people have been prevented from protesting.

    "free speech zones"

    Are unconstitutional, and are currently being proved to be so by the ACLU. But those are not the only instances included in your "at all".

    Except for those instances, you are allowed to protest anything, anywhere, as long as your protest doesn't otherwise break the law. You may need to get a permit, as the freedom to assemble and to speak does not entail a freedom to be a spontaneous nuisance, hazard, or expense to the public.

  58. Re:You Know What They Say? by gfreeman · · Score: 2, Informative

    If "provoking a police officer" were illegal you might have a point. From the video, the girl does not "gets in the police officer's faces" at all, in fact the female officer is happily chatting to the girl from the outset.

    At no point after being asked to stop does she blow any bubbles, so bang goes the provokation theory.

    Also, a foot? Really?

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  59. Re:You Know What They Say? by mywhitewolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    so you think police are justified in arresting people because they are doing something that the policeman disagrees with on a personal level? Really? that's your argument? what if i find out a cop has a particular religious affinity? and i go out of my way to mock that affinity "God a fag" or something to that affect? would he be justified in arresting me then? how is this different? Also, the female cop obviously saw the funny side of this, she was smirking quite a lot.

  60. MOD PARENT UP! Re:Cartoons? by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Interesting
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  61. Re:You Know What They Say? by NFN_NLN · · Score: 3, Informative

    You do know that here in Canada we have free health care, including mental-health, right?

    So the fact are:
    - the police admitted putting "undercover" agents in the civilian crowd.
    - the agents were concealing their identities
    - they were holding rocks

    These are all far more intimidating actions than blowing bubbles into the air which a civilian was punished for.

    Perhaps your police buddy can beat some sense into c6gunner.

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html

    "Police said the three undercover officers were only at the protest to locate and identify non-peaceful protesters in order to prevent any incidents.

    Police came under fire Tuesday, when a video surfaced on YouTube that appeared to show three plainclothes police officers at the protest with bandanas across their faces. One of the men was carrying a rock.

    In the video, protest organizers in suits order the men to put the rock down, call them police instigators and try unsuccessfully to unmask them."

  62. Re:Wow that video shows every thing... by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Informative

    This video shows the broader context of the "Officer Bubbles" confrontation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVwXOKZh4Os&feature=channel

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  63. Re:You Know What They Say? by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From what I could see, crowd control was going fine. Well, until the crowd got pissed off about the arrest.

        Public interaction is far different than a prison environment or military action. You don't have absolute control over the people, and you can't enforce anything you'd like on them.

        Let me give you an example of dealing with a hostile person. This is a real situation I was personally in. It was in a county jail, where we were holding high risk inmates. They were bad felony (murder, rape, etc charges) and state prison felons back in county for hearings. The layout of the jail is pods. Each pod had 4 segments (72 degrees view from the pod control room into each inmate area). Three officers were stationed in the pod control room

        It was the end of the day, and I went in to lock all the inmates down in their cells. They'd always fuck with the officers, especially the felons. I knew the rap sheet on most of them, so I knew what they were in for, and what to expect. I had the lower tier locked down and went up to the upper tier. The first cell I got to, the inmate wouldn't close his door, and was blocking it from being closed. Escalation of force was allowed at that point, since he were being physically non-compliant. I also had other inmates on the tier who hadn't been locked in yet.

        The inmate told me "I already have a life sentence with no parole. I could kill you, and there's nothing worse they can do to me." Again, escalation of force is allowed, due to physical non-compliance, and verbal threat. I could have called for assistance, had him forcibly put in the restraint chair, and put him in solitary confinement. Instead, I said "It's lockdown time. I need to secure your door. Do what you have to do." We went back and forth with his threats and my simple instructions. He may have been able to take me down. He was bigger than me, and he had been convicted of murder, so he could be capable of doing it. If he had, the control room would have had every free officer in the place on him in no time, but I may have still been dead.

        Instead of making the situation worse, I repeated my instructions and didn't show any fear. After a couple minutes, realizing that he couldn't scare me, he laughed, said he liked me, and shut the door.

        Facing a known murderer who may be able to kill me, and knowing that the only retribution would be use of force by other officers (since I'd be down and/or dead), and he'd get another life sentence, I calmed the situation down. After that, he didn't mess with me. I know the word got passed around not to mess with me. Inmates don't have much to do but talk to each other, and figure out how to get out of their shitty situation. I had grief in other pods on occasion, but I treated them fairly. My job is to make sure they didn't escape, they didn't riot, they didn't hurt each other, and they complied with instructions. It's not necessary to make things any worse than they already are.

        I don't know if Officer Bubbles had to, but where I was, every officer had to work in a jail or prison for at least 2 years before being allowed on the road. It does teach you how to deal with very adverse conditions from known worse cases.

        So, the girl blowing bubbles was assaulting him with bubbles. Big fucking deal. She wasn't throwing rocks. She wasn't throwing shit, piss, or blood at him. She wasn't even trying to physically approach him. Diffuse the situation, don't make it worse. It works in jails where they've already proven a disrespect of the law, and it works in public. If (and only if) she had done something worse, would it be worth arresting her. So treat every person you meet like they are a murderer. Unless they've done something to deserve rough handling, there's nothing more that needs to be done. The use of force matrix says what your available options are. They don't say that they maximum level must be used.

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