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Japan's Latest Rockstar Is a 3D Hologram

kkleiner writes "Hatsune Miku is a Japanese pop diva who's just started to play massive stadium concerts to sold out crowds. Her hair is blue, she dresses like Sailor Moon, and she'll only appear in concerts via a 3D 'hologram.' Oh, and did I forget to mention that she's completely fictional? Created by Crypton Future Media, Hatsune Miku and her virtual colleagues have gone on limited tours in Japan."

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  1. This isn't exactly news... by RogueyWon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Erm... yes, that's great and all. Except Hatsune Miku has been around since 2007, and versons of the the Vocaloid software that powers "her" has been around a good bit longer (since 2004 or so, I think). I'm pretty sure I heard reference to special-effects-heavy concerts more than a year ago.

    The software can be used, with a lot of practice, to do reasonably convincing versions of Japanese language songs. Attempts to use the Hatsune Miku vocaloid to do anything in English are usually hilariously awful. Fans of the game portal may be amused to note this rendition of the game's famous closing song... erm... Steal A Lamp.

    In fairness, there are Vocaloids which can handle English much better, but this story seemed to be specifically about Hatsune Miku.

    1. Re:This isn't exactly news... by RogueyWon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except as I said in my post, the concerts themselves, with all the special effects, have been going for over a year. I know it's a hassle, but do try to read before clicking "reply".

    2. Re:This isn't exactly news... by arivanov · · Score: 2, Informative

      Gorillaz have been around since 1998. They are mostly 2D though.

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    3. Re:This isn't exactly news... by _KiTA_ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except as I said in my post, the concerts themselves, with all the special effects, have been going for over a year. I know it's a hassle, but do try to read before clicking "reply".

      Actually, you mentioned "special-effects-heavy concerts". Which could describe anything, including Kiss, Gwar, Ramstein...

      Yes, Slashdot is LTTP, very much so, but... Well. Yeah. PIE. It's still neat to see the tech reaching this level. Didn't Japan predict this years ago with some mecha anime? And is this on Kurzweil's list of predictions?

      Here's my favorite Vocaloid video. Just in time for Halloween:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2RFcrreoE8

    4. Re:This isn't exactly news... by CodeBuster · · Score: 3, Funny

      Attempts to use the Hatsune Miku vocaloid to do anything in English are usually hilariously awful.

      Captain: What Happen?

      Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.

      Operator: Main screen turn on.

      ....and so on

    5. Re:This isn't exactly news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Gorrilaz use the full 3-D version, I'm not sure what year they started. If you check them out on Youtube, they appeared at an MTV awards show with their virtual avatars in 3-D and had Madonna live onstage dancing with the virtual models. It looked really slick and from what I've heard it looks just as good if not better in person.

      It's basically an updated version of the classic "Pepper's Ghost" illusion (wikipedia has a pretty good explanation of the effect with diagrams). Essentially it uses semi-transparent mirrors to reflect an image of someone off-stage onto a slanted glass or mirrored 'screen' which creates the illusion of someone being on the stage. The modern version the Gorrilaz use does away with the off-stage room in favor of a semi-transparent display glass which is in front of the stage, as opposed to being on the stage in the classic version, and uses a digital projector to just pump the image out.

      But the 'hologram' part of this is really, really old news. And so is the whole bit about the virtual idol. In fact, if you read the article it's mostly just a fluff piece talking about how the Japanese like to freak out over the virtual idols. So it's really a piece about the audiences not the idol or the technology. And the only mention of the tech is a single phrase in the sentence which links to an article the same site ran in Dec of 2009.

      So while this is rather interesting if you've never come across it before, this article is Old News.

    6. Re:This isn't exactly news... by EdZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Despite the summary, the hologram thing is of little importance. The real interesting thing is the Vocaloid software itself: The actual singing is computer generated. Admittedly, it uses an initial sample bank from a human singer for the seed phonemes (think an incredibly over the top application of autotune), but it's still pretty impressive that what is essentially a computer generated singer has actually had hit singles in the charts.
      It's only a matter of time until someone links one of the numerous music-generation algorithms up to Vocaloid, adds a vocal writing algorithm (there are automated scientific paper generators, and 99.9% of lyrics are total nonsensical garbage anyway), and uses some artificial phoneme seed samples (from, say, a fluid dynamic simulation of a model of the human vocal cords), and you'd have songs written and sung pretty much entirely without human intervention.

      As an aside, if you're interested in trying this out, and don't want to pay for Vocaloid and one of Crypton's soundbanks (Hatsune Miku, Kagamine Rin/Len, Megurine Luka, etc), there's a freeware version called Utau, which not only has a large bank of soundfonts for your to download, but allows you to create your own by singing the seed phonemes into a microphone.

    7. Re:This isn't exactly news... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Gorillaz have been around since 1998. They are mostly 2D though.

      There's a guy(?) out named "Justin Beiber" and he's one dimensional.

      Actually, I don't know if he's out yet or not.

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    8. Re:This isn't exactly news... by tenton · · Score: 2, Informative

      Admittedly, it uses an initial sample bank from a human singer for the seed phonemes (think an incredibly over the top application of autotune).

      For reference, Hatsune Miku's voice is done by Fujita Saki. Hatsune Miku is not the only famous vocaloid, but she's the most famous (and the one getting the concerts).

      (dressed like Sailor Moon? Really? It's not even a sailor uniform. Bad article author, bad. Go sit in the corner.)

      Having seen some questions asked of other vocaloid actresses, it's an interesting and involved process in recording the voices; it's completely different than normal voice acting (and hours of recording work).

  2. It just keeps getting worse and worse... by JDmetro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh well so much for that starving artist spiel

    1. Re:It just keeps getting worse and worse... by ultranova · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact people are referring to this thing as "her" is telling in itself.

      Specifically, it tells that people are hardwired to see consciousness anywhere it's at all possible. Or did you have another point?

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  3. Life imitates Art or Art imitates Life ? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1. Re:Life imitates Art or Art imitates Life ? by acedotcom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      macross plus predates simone by about 10 years...sorry bro

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    2. Re:Life imitates Art or Art imitates Life ? by Nursie · · Score: 4, Informative

      William Gibson's Idoru too, back in '96. I don't think the idea of having entirely synthetic pop-idols is that new...

    3. Re:Life imitates Art or Art imitates Life ? by atomicstrawberry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idoru - 1996
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macross_Plus - 1994

      The concept of a computer-generated 'virtual' singer / popstar isn't really something new at all. It's probably an inevitable consequence of the modern music industry and its manufactured pop artists, fake music videos and whatnot. A virtual idol won't need to eat or sleep, they can never be involved in a scandals, they don't do drugs, they'll do exactly what you tell them, they don't get royalties and they never retire.

    4. Re:Life imitates Art or Art imitates Life ? by dieth · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sharon Apple for the win. Information High

    5. Re:Life imitates Art or Art imitates Life ? by pchan- · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sharon Apple for the win. Information High

      Megazone 23 (1985) has that beat by about 10 years. The character of Eve Tokimatsuri is a computer-generated popular singer.

      Himitsu Kudasai - Megazone 23, Part II

  4. Stadium Concerts to Sold Out Crowds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Really? What stadium?

    I mean just a little reality check here.
    1. "She" isn't, and has never been in any of the top music 50 charts in Japan.
    2. I just asked around, nobody in my office has ever heard of this. (My Japanese office... full of IT workers...). Maybe someone who:s not here has heard of her, but ... that would be "I heard of her" not "oh my god she's so popular..ponies..". Sheesh.

    For J-Pop, Perfume (and that stupid ABK group) are popular right now. Utada Hiraru and Amuro Namie continue to release hits and refuse to go out of style. There are a lot of others, but nobody (Except perhaps extreme nerds who specialize in that kind of stuff) knows who Hatsune Miku is.

    Only online can stuff be blown so out of proportion by people who don't even live here.

    1. Re:Stadium Concerts to Sold Out Crowds? by Aereus · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not really into the whole Vocaloid thing, but I remember there was something about a CD of Vocaloid music topping the charts there last year or such. A little Googling comes up with this excerpt:
      http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=211424

      Granted, it was only for one week, but still considering the "singer" is computer-generated, it's interesting.

      "According to Oricon news, VOCALOID Hatsune Miku's album "EXIT TUNES PRESENTS Vocalogenesis feat. Hatsune Miku" has won the top in the weekly album CD sales ranking for May 17th - May 23rd. It's for the first time that a VOCALOID CD is ranked first in the weekly CD sales ranking. The album also includes the songs of other VOCALOIDs such as Kagamine Rin, Len, Megurine Luka, Meiko and Kaito. The cover illustration was drawn by Miwa Shirow.
      Note that the sales of the CD, 23,000 copies, are the smallest number in Oricon's history among all the top sellers of the weekly CD rankings, reflecting the shrinkage of the CD market in Japan."

    2. Re:Stadium Concerts to Sold Out Crowds? by slb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Really? What stadium?

      What about the Saitama Super Arena in front of 25'000 people during the Animelo festival ?

      1. "She" isn't, and has never been in any of the top music 50 charts in Japan.

      Vocalogenesi ranked #1 on the Oricon, and dozens of Vocaloid albums mostly featuring Miku all were ranked in the top 20. In which Japan are you living ?

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  5. FINALLY i get to make a MACROSS reference! by acedotcom · · Score: 5, Informative

    So Sharon Apple in Macross Plus was a hologram. She was an experimental AI but her emotions were provided by a human. Eventually she fell in love and gained her own emotions, and then tried to try to kill everyone after hacking into every military computer on the planet...

    what was my point......OH YEAH...dont trust singing Japanese holograms.

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  6. Modern Women by sonicmerlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pop idols have a huge tendency to disappoint their fans with their human behavior and accompanying personality deficiencies. Lo and behold, they're not actually idols. I can see the appeal in having a digital, holographic entity to fawn over. She'll never let the fan down with any scandalous behavior, she'll always have a perfect voice, and she'll never age.

    1. Re:Modern Women by EdIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So I take it that also means we will never get to see her holographic koochie when she when is trying to get out of her holographic car and forgot to put on her holographic panties?

    2. Re:Modern Women by Reidsb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, until we get news footage of her illicit tryst with an underage defrag program.

    3. Re:Modern Women by zalas · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, you're saying she sounds like capsule and perfume? :p

      On a more serious note, a (paid) update to Hatsune Miku gives her 6 additional voicing styles. I find that one of them might be able to sound somewhat like a real person if programmed well. Megpoid, using the same Yamaha sound engine, sounds a lot more realistic than the other Vocaloid2 products, and also doesn't require as much tweaking.

    4. Re:Modern Women by EdIII · · Score: 2, Funny

      forgot her panties? i don't think that stuff is ever a matter of forgetting.

      Not exactly true.

      I went to work one day in a suit... but missing the pants. Only thing I had on downstairs was some boxer shorts.

      Was very busy that morning, under a lot of stress, and chronically sleep deprived.

      My first indication that something was wrong was when my co-worker gave me a funny look in the hallway and asked me what I was wearing. It was one of the strangest moments in my life looking down and finding out, for the first time, that I was not wearing pants.

      It also went a long way to explaining the looks from the people at IHOP that morning too.

  7. A good Hatsune Miku by afree87 · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:A good Hatsune Miku by Requiem18th · · Score: 2, Informative
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  8. I swear I read about this in 80s cyberpunk novels by guyminuslife · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the other hand, it's not really that different from Gorillaz.

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  9. And why not? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Music is entertainment. If we can feel for an trash compacter or a deer, then why not for an animated human being? Not real? TV/Movies ain't real. Every pop-star opens a concert with "I am so happy to be here, you [insert locale here] are the greatest". Can't be true so the sentiment is false, fake, a performance.

    Is the best singer selected, or the one with the prettiest face. Sometimes the producers get lucky and get both and then she turns into a publishity disaster because she can't keep mouth shut or her legs closed.

    Remember "My fair lady"? You can clearly hear that the singing is dubbed over. But it works because Hepburn is pretty and acts the part out well but can't sing. Well, not good enough. We all were so happy for Susan Boyle, but lets face it, the reaction initially is what keeps any producer from attempting this for real with an unknown. Do not like it? Then change human nature. Even opera stars got to look the part these days. Used to be fat old women singing the parts of beautiful young girls and nobody cared if it was the bearded lady as long as she had shaved recently.

    So, these producers got the perfect star. She won't cause a sex scandal, won't get sick, won't refuse to sign a new contract, can perform in two places at the same time, doesn't need rest, won't forget her underwear unless scripted etc etc.

    Yes, some of you may hate the fakeness and prefer "real", but as said, what is real? Most music gets polished before release and is written to be sold. So the artists writes what he thinks will sell. Only a tiny handful produce music absolutely only because they want to with not a single thought for the audience. And even if that audience is a non-paying one, pandering for regonizition makes the product just as "fake". That is why so many people complain about the Tate. Why does every piece of non-commerical art have to to be so bloody big? Status? If you produce art for the status, you are no different then when you make something for the mass market.

    If you do not like this type of music, don't listen to it. There will be other types produced, so why begrudge those that like this their own music? It is still written, still performed, still sung. What is fake about it? I think a lot of people are upset because they can see the mechanism in the Turk they thought was real. All pop music is fake, this one is just a bit more obvious about it.

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    1. Re:And why not? by xnpu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You give people too much credit. People like watching TV because they think that much of what they see *could* be real. The very fact that people pick up memes, mimic behavior, etc. from TV means they identify with the fiction they're presented.

      Knowing that a role is played by a hologram instead of an actor makes it harder to identify yourself with it. At least initially. I expect most people to get over it quite quickly.

  10. Re:I swear I read about this in 80s cyberpunk nove by kernhe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's like Justin Bieber - an artificial product of the entertainment industry. OK you can't reboot Bieber.

  11. Re:I swear I read about this in 80s cyberpunk nove by zmollusc · · Score: 2, Funny

    That implies you may be able to boot Bieber. Good news for music lovers with big clumpy boots.

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  12. Truly Outrageous by Kwitset · · Score: 4, Funny

    I find the concept of a holographic band to be outrageous. Truly, truly, truly, outrageous.

    1. Re:Truly Outrageous by sammyF70 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only the singer is synthetic. The band itself looks pretty real to me. Basically, it's like Miley Cyrus, just that it's a bit more honest about autotuning the vocals.

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  13. Re:So? by Goaway · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, this article is horrible, and totally fails to describe what the whole Hatsune Miku phenomenon is actually about. It's not simply about a fictional singer, like Gorillaz.

    What it is is a piece of software, with a fictional character attached to it. Crypton made the software, and the character, but they don't do anything else. The rest is up to the users. People use the software and make the songs. People also carry the character forward. The whole thing is extremely decentralized. There's nobody who says what Hatsune Miku can or can not do, it's up to whoever is creative enough to put the software to use.

    This 3D-effect concert is just a gimmick. Sega bought up the rights for many popular Vocaloid songs, and produced a rhythm game out of them. They also used them to create these concerts.

    This is all fascinating for the way it completely turns the usual pop music production model on its head, not because of a 3D model.

  14. English songs by abigsmurf · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hatsune Miku can do English songs fairly well if the people using her are smart enough, some of them are fairly listenable. As she only sings Japanese syllables she's always going to have a bit of a Japanese accent. Here's a sample of some of the better done ones, some:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HATpOha7DFg - Heaven is a place on Earth
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaSZ0siQjXA - Never ending story (duet with an english vocaloid)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6m2NzdN7o0 - I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles)

  15. Norman Spinrad had him beat by almost a decade by Tony · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Norman Spinrad's 1987 novel Little Heroes also had virtual pop stars. Not a great novel, by any means, but he beat Gibson to it by 9 years.

    The idea isn't that new at all.

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  16. NG Resonance by coerciblegerm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't be the only one reminded of NG Resonance from Deus Ex: Invisible War...

  17. Re:Where are the classic anime fans? by perpetual+pessimist · · Score: 2, Funny

    Eve was the second thing I thought of. The first thing I thought was, "That outfit doesn't look at all like Sailor Moon!"

  18. Re:So? by Mab_Mass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And, in my thinking, this illustrates how very much the lead singer in a lot of modern pop is just a tool. Someone like Britney Spears is a low-tech version of Hatsune Miku.

  19. Rule 34 by Hartree · · Score: 2, Insightful

    She won't cause a sex scandal

    You're joking, right?

    Methinks you underestimate the Otakus. Just do a search on "Miku porn".

    Another example of Rule 34. If it exists, there is porn of it.

    Not only animated, but apparently live action cosplay as well.