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Adobe Releases Its Own HTML5 Video Player

An anonymous reader writes "Webmonkey has an interesting tidbit about Adobe's release of its own HTML5 video player: 'Adobe has released an embeddable video player that plays HTML5 native video in browsers that support it, and falls back to Flash in browsers that don't. It's cross-browser and cross-platform, so it works on iPhones, iPads and other devices that don't support Flash. Using Adobe's new player, these devices can show videos in web pages without the Flash plug-in.'"

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  1. Where is it? by paul248 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So does anyone have an actual link to an example of the player? That seems like a rather blatant omission from the article.

    1. Re:Where is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apparently, according to the article you have to use the Adobe Widget Browser: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/widgetbrowser.html

    2. Re:Where is it? by sgtstein · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/widgetbrowser/ Second link I saw when I scanned the page. Looks like you need to use their "Widget browser" to be able to download and use it.

    3. Re:Where is it? by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seems to be
      http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/widgetbrowser/
      Note to install "If you don't have Adobe AIR installed, you’ll need to download and install Adobe AIR."
      Then on to ?

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  2. So... by Lanteran · · Score: 5, Funny

    So where's the link to the source code? I'd like to compile and test this video player.

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    1. Re:So... by blackraven14250 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think they're gonna let you compile it yourself...

    2. Re:So... by FairAndUnbalanced · · Score: 5, Informative
  3. Superb !! by Ynot_82 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A browser plugin designed to play embedded HTML5 video
    HTML5 video, whose selling point is to provide video without the need for a browser plugin

    I think this just about tops MS and their opaque-binary embedded XML

    1. Re:Superb !! by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Huh? The selling point is that you can break away from a proprietary format. HTML5 is about openness, not freedom from plugins.

    2. Re:Superb !! by Kilrah_il · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe future versions of the plug-in will use Flash to show HTML5 content. That could really be something!

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    3. Re:Superb !! by mr100percent · · Score: 2, Informative

      It seems more like the system is designed to default to HTML5, but if the client can't view it, it will fall back to Flash. Granted, I'd rather the site/browser detect that for me.

    4. Re:Superb !! by stoanhart · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not a browser plug-in. It's HTML/Javascript code that you place in your page where you want the video to appear. It will try to use HTML5 first, and then use Flash if it fails.

    5. Re:Superb !! by omfgnosis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can do both without any library. The markup for HTML5 video with Flash as a fallback is, basically, a video tag wrapping source and object tags, and the object tag wrapping an embed tag. The markup for Flash with HTML5 video as a fallback is to simply move the object tag to the top of the hierarchy and the video tag within it. The relevant part of the HTML5 spec was designed *specifically* to make this possible, and it has been possible ever since the first browser with video-tag capability was released. No Adobe library (borrowed though it is) is necessary to achieve this.

      With all of that said, I can't imagine why you'd want to use Flash at the top of the hierarchy unless you're a sadist. Flash has more wrong with it than the fact that it's not open and requires a plugin.

    6. Re:Superb !! by Firehed · · Score: 4, Informative

      Isn't that called... HTML5? Such as

      <video>
              <source src="file.mp4" type="video/mp4"/>
              <source src="file.ogv" type="video/ogg"/>
              <embed>fallback flash player</embed>
      </video>

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    7. Re:Superb !! by joost · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is just that. It's basically an HTML generator that generates HTML5 for you. I just tried it, the code is clean, it created valid HTML, basically it is very awesome. It has graceful degradation in place to insert the flashplayer. The HTML5 video is browser native, the Flash player is open source. Really, don't take my word for it but try it yourself. It's a pretty goddamn great solution from Adobe. Kudos to them.

  4. I'm working on a new Firefox / Safari plugin by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Funny

    It will let you view GIFs, JPEGs and PNGs on any page you visit.

    1. Re:I'm working on a new Firefox / Safari plugin by AndreR · · Score: 5, Funny

      And it'll fall back to Flash if your browser doesn't support those.

    2. Re:I'm working on a new Firefox / Safari plugin by mirix · · Score: 3, Informative

      When the GP said JPEG, he meant the one the people actually use.

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  5. But why? by mr100percent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't understand how this makes tactical sense for Adobe. They've been leaning heavily on their talking points that "80% of online video is in Flash format" and that Apple is depriving their customers by sticking with HTML5 (and not flash). I think there was even a fear that Adobe would jump into the working group and delay HTML5 just to protect Flash. If Adobe is supposedly king of the hill, why would they cede turf by moving towards HTML5? It can't be just to be more buzzword-compliant.

    1. Re:But why? by Tharsman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Elementary, my dear Watson.

      Adobe is not in the business of selling Flash Plugins, they are in the business of selling Flash Authoring Tools and Server Side technology. iTechnology has been selling like crazy, and hate as you may, it has started to result in pages that are designed to run in iDevices.

      With all these pages now out there, Flash suddenly becomes optional, it will not take long before Flash's buggy security issues make many to opt out of using Flash and just fall back on the HTML5 pages that were designed for the iDevices. It is wise of them to try to stop the flocking early, avoid people from developing their own home grown HTML5 Plug N Play migration tools, and offer them first.

      Once the big players opt to go Adobe's route, they may secure their web authoring dominance in a Flash Free World Wide Web.

    2. Re:But why? by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know... but perhaps for similar reasons that big oil companies are investing so much money into the 'green' alternative fuel space.

      You mean that Western governments are going to give massive subsidies to Adobe for putting an HTML5 interface on top of Flash?

    3. Re:But why? by omfgnosis · · Score: 3, Informative

      Adobe gave up on Flash having a monopoly on Internet video when they agreed to put WebM into Flash. They have completely shifted gears in their web strategy by promoting their software as tools to generate HTML5/etc-buzzword output. More and more, Flash will be driven even more in the two opposite directions it's been going for a couple years now: as an animation tool, eventually preferentially targeting SVG/canvas output; and as an application development tool, eventually preferentially targeting quasi-native environments like AIR.

    4. Re:But why? by KingMotley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because Adobe realizes no matter what they do, HTML5 is the next big "thing". They can either jump on board and try and be at the forefront of it all, making great tools and plug ins, or they can dig themselves in and try to hold back the avalache armed with a shovel. Typically companies that try the dig in approach fail and fail miserably.

    5. Re:But why? by Tharsman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't take me wrong, I am a proud owner of an iPhone 3G, an iPad WiFi, an iPod Touch 4G, a Mac Mini, and just got from Best Buy from buying a Powerbook for my wife (her choice, not mine, I insisted she could handle with my current laptop.) This is on top of my Windows Desktop (main system,) Windows Netbook (very effecctive paperweight) and $500 Compaq Laptop (I get what I pay for, it just developed battery incontinence... it poops the battery out every 5 minutes.)

      My point? I'm not a mac guy, but at the same time I obviously love my iStuff. I am extremely happy Apple embraced open standards and stood firm against force feed a slow/buggy Flash into their devices.

  6. Great. And Flash continues to be a plague by rta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is good an all, but it doesn't address the biggest issues with Flash:

    1) Adobe (and Macromedia before it) give virtually NO control to the end user over how flash objects run. You can't stop them, you can't pause them, you can't unload them, nothing. Technically you can control if they store local shared objects (LSOs) on your machine but the interface for that is terrible. Half the time the pop-up window it prompts with can't even be accessed because of various z-index issues on the page. That is you can't even click the button.

    2) It is a CPU hog. Forget the fact that its inherent performance isn't great. The issue is that if you browse the web for any length of time and have multiple tabs open you'll find that your Flash plug-in is taking up all your cpu (or a whole core). Why? because there are all sorts of little flash movies playing in all the pages. Mostly Ads but also paused video players, random web bugs and such. Plus, some of these random are poorly written and have memory leaks. Thus BECAUSE Adobe gives the user no control, you have to just kill the plugin.

    Instead of trying to horn in on HTML5 maybe they should fix the fact that Flash is the SPAM of the web. (And yes, Flash itself could be fine... but the business practices they've chose to pursue make it a scourge rather than a blessing).

  7. Re:Great. And Flash continues to be a plague by ak_hepcat · · Score: 4, Informative

    FlashBlock.. Only play the flash that you want to play. no more cpu hogging!

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  8. Slashdot: so dense it causes singularities by notsoclever · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nearly everyone seems to be missing the point to this. It's not something the user installs, it's something that content providers use to provide their video on the server side. This is a GOOD THING - it makes it much easier for websites to transition to HTML5 without alienating users who don't have HTML5-capable browsers.

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    1. Re:Slashdot: so dense it causes singularities by omfgnosis · · Score: 2, Informative

      I see it as being beneficial mostly to the vast majority of web designers who don't actually know HTML and just export stuff directly from DreamWeaver or whatever.

      I made that point in another comment. But I added: on second thought, maybe I don't want to see their videos.

      But seriously, yeah. Adobe doesn't have a history of giving people good off the shelf web tools. To some extent, this is an improvement on that reputation. Just... not good enough.

      Also, I haven't looked at this particular player, but I would hope it has a nicer set of controls than the default HTML5 video container's controls.

      Default HTML5 controls are implementation-specific. The controls in what Adobe's pushing are lacking compared to, for instance, Safari's implementation. Adobe's offering has a "full screen" button which, in HTML5 mode, fills the browser window; Safari's default controls include a real full screen button. I imagine the Flash fallback has proper full screen as well. Adobe's offering is an old and broken solution that puts unnecessary JavaScript behind the selection of HTML5, has no fallback without JavaScript, and does a poor job at feature detection.

  9. Re:Great. And Flash continues to be a plague by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think his point is - fix the product you have, rather than create something new.

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  10. Lesson learned by lavagolemking · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. I should have known Adobe wasn't really going to embed videos without requiring viewers to install proprietary plugins. After all, people wouldn't have any reason to use Flash anymore if they did.

    1. Re:Lesson learned by Tharsman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wrong. The downloadable widget on that page is the tool used by web authors to embed the player. The user that visits a page that implements it won't need to download anything, as long as the user has a browser that supports HTML5 video (one of the two contesting formats anyways) or Flash installed.

      Seeing as it's rather new, I'd say it will take a while for it to show up used somewhere. I'm stranged they didn't set up a demo page, though. Perhaps I should re-scan the article for links to one.

  11. Not a support issue by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's cross-browser and cross-platform, so it works on iPhones, iPads and other devices that don't support Flash.

    It would be more accurate to say that iPhones and iPads don't permit Flash. Adobe would be more than happy to support Flash on those platforms -- and probably has code ready to go -- if Apple allowed them to deploy it. The difference is significant and should not be ignored: Flash doesn't work on iDevices because Apple doesn't want it to. It's a repeat of Microsoft's unofficial MSDOS-era policy, "DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run," only much, much more brazen.

    (Before we resurrect the flamewar about why Apple doesn't allow Flash on its iDevices, allow me to note that I detest Flash and understand Apple's objections, at least the technical ones. I just think that users should be allowed to use whatever software they want on the devices that they've paid for, no matter how much it sucks.)

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  12. Your code is missing the critical part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The problem with your code is that content of the "embed" element. IE: You actually need to have created some .swf version of the video. It would be nice if you could just specify the video name and the client would either view it directly or - if it is not supported - convert it to flash and view it without you having to create a separate .swf file on the server.

    If I understand TFA correctly, that's what this player does. Views the video as it should be done in HTML 5 but if that doesn't work, it is displayed automatically through Flash.

  13. The admiral knows best by ShenTheWise · · Score: 3, Funny