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Skin-Tight Bodysuits Could Protect Astronauts From Bone Loss

jamie passes along a report about research from MIT's Man-Vehicle Laboratory into using "superhero-style" skinsuits to combat the effects of extended stays in microgravity on bone density in astronauts. (Abstract.) Quoting: "Astronauts lose 1 to 2 percent of their bone mass for each month they spend in space. As far back as the Gemini missions, conditioning exercise regimes have been used to slow the rate of bone loss, but a 2001-2004 NASA-sponsored study showed that crew members aboard the International Space Station were still losing up to 2.7 percent of their interior bone material and 1.7 percent of outer hipbone material for each month they spent in space. ... With stirrups that loop around the feet, the elastic gravity skinsuit is purposely cut too short for the astronaut so that it stretches when put on — pulling the wearer's shoulders towards the feet. In normal gravity conditions on Earth, a human's legs bear more weight than the torso. Because the suit's legs stretch more than the torso section, the wearer's legs are subjected to a greater force — replicating gravity effects on Earth." See? Seven of Nine's outfit was inspired by science after all.

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  1. Is it just me... by robot256 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or does this sound like a bit of a stretch?

    1. Re:Is it just me... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know that it would prevent losing my own bone, if they get these skintight outfits on... suitable female astronauts...

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    2. Re:Is it just me... by kj_kabaje · · Score: 2, Funny

      I love that this is modded insightful.

    3. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that an astronaut suit, or are you just happy to see me?

    4. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or does this sound like a bit of a stretch?

      Yeah. I have a bone to pick with NASA in regards to this topic.

    5. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will likely have the same problems the elastic exercise systems did -- local wear spots leading to blistering.

    6. Re:Is it just me... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Suitable or not, I'd still take females. Men in tights do not look good. Ever.

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    7. Re:Is it just me... by Bucc5062 · · Score: 1

      Mel Brooks may argue with you

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    8. Re:Is it just me... by MachDelta · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend, who is a huge wrestling fan, would beg to differ. :>

    9. Re:Is it just me... by melikamp · · Score: 1

      Not at all. Actually, it explains a lot.

    10. Re:Is it just me... by The+Redster! · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I find their solution to be very marrow-minded.

    11. Re:Is it just me... by mcvos · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't necessarily object to men in tights, but why did they have to give the transparent suit to a man?

    12. Re:Is it just me... by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      Well, at least it's better than astronauts wearing diapers...

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    13. Re:Is it just me... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself. I wear tights to spin class.

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    14. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The woman who invented it doesn't look half-bad.

    15. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, Jeri Ryan. Let me count the ways I'd give it to you.

    16. Re:Is it just me... by melikamp · · Score: 1

      Another test. Just ignore me!

  2. Skinsuit eh? by p0p0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    |Well then let's hope they start picking some sexier astronauts.

    1. Re:Skinsuit eh? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Some of us would also like them more often to be females.

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    2. Re:Skinsuit eh? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have never seen a non-sexy astronaut.

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  3. that's not all by RapmasterT · · Score: 3, Funny

    If we get hot female astronauts, skin tight bodysuits could protect from boner loss too.

    thank you, thanks...I'll be here all week.

    1. Re:that's not all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure they'd be wearing these under something else like coveralls, unfortunately.

    2. Re:that's not all by nsaspook · · Score: 0, Troll

      If we get hot female astronauts, skin tight bodysuits could protect from boner loss too.

      thank you, thanks...I'll be here all week.

      Protection from boner loss has always been a top priority.

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    3. Re:that's not all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm confused. Why would a female astronaut have a boner? And more importantly, why would anyone want shemale astronauts, when we can have female ones?

      Signed,
      ACASA (Anonymous Cowards Against Shemale Astronauts)

  4. Barbarella had it right by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Zero gravity leather bondage is good for you!

    1. Re:Barbarella had it right by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      story: skin tight astronaut suits

      guys born 1940-1960: snarky barbarella jokes

      guys born 1960-1980: snarky seven of nine jokes

      guys born 1980-2000: what's an astronaut? what's NASA? we landed on the moon? really?

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    2. Re:Barbarella had it right by Kjella · · Score: 2, Funny

      Shouldn't there be at least a decade of Princess Leia in there?

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    3. Re:Barbarella had it right by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't there be at least a decade of Princess Leia in there?

      Only when they release a study showing that bikinis in zero gravity improves red blood cell counts.

    4. Re:Barbarella had it right by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Informative

      and there is leela in futurama

      and we also forgot erin gray's skin tight outfit in buck rogers

      "biddi-biddi-biddi. you morons"

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    5. Re:Barbarella had it right by arivanov · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bodysuit dude, not bikini suit, leather vest, party dress or military fatigues.

      So no Leya, no Lt Col Carter, no Teyla and no Cylons either.

      Though a bit of Vala Mal Doran may fit the bill.

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    6. Re:Barbarella had it right by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      If they were wearing silly masks, and moved around like the old silent movie stars, you'd have a set of Power Rangers.

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    7. Re:Barbarella had it right by ElectroPrime · · Score: 1

      Voyager was filmed in the 1990s.

    8. Re:Barbarella had it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No

    9. Re:Barbarella had it right by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      And Aeryn Sun's black leather outfit in Farscape.

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    10. Re:Barbarella had it right by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      and aeon flux

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    11. Re:Barbarella had it right by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      I disagree! I remember having dirty thoughts about Seven of Nine when voyager was airing, and I was born in 1985!

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    12. Re:Barbarella had it right by neoprint · · Score: 1

      I was born in 1986 and still immediately thought of Seven of Nine you insensitive clod!

  5. As well as by kenholm3 · · Score: 1

    Loss of Mojo

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  6. Skin-Tight Bodysuits by Andrewkov · · Score: 2, Funny

    Star Trek has known this for years.

    1. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by robot256 · · Score: 1

      I thought it was just good for ratings. Now you're telling me it was all scientifically reasoned???!?

    2. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      damn! Next you'll be telling us that all scientific, pilot, research, weapons, and EVA roles would be perfectly suited to 16 year old sons of medical staff.

    3. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by X0563511 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Yea, never let 'facts' discourage your shitty joke-mongering. Forget about the gravity plating and intertial dampeners did you?

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    4. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by Mitchell314 · · Score: 1

      And you never wondered why insurance charges much more for the red suited astronauts?

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    5. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      Looks like future astronauts may learn the Picard Maneuver long before the 24th century.

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    6. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by robot256 · · Score: 1

      Child-Labor Nepotism: Only a good idea on TV.

    7. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Now we just need to convince them to start using decon-gel. Think of the ratings NASA.

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    8. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      No, the only role for that one is on the far side of an air lock.

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    9. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by Caerdwyn · · Score: 1

      I always wondered why 7of9 had to run around in this tight leotards. Finally, a scientific explanation!

      The Borg assimilated spandex early on.

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    10. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by MyLongNickName · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You know Star Trek was fiction, right?

      (oh... i just mean Voyager... not the others..... please don't lynch me)

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    11. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in Hollywood.

    12. Re:Skin-Tight Bodysuits by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Yes, which is why I put the word "facts" in quotes.

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  7. Seven of Nine's outfit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was clearly inspired by Jeri Ryan's glorious ample breasts.

  8. If movies have tought me anything. by orphiuchus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its that bone loss in astronauts is usually caused by Predators and Aliens.

    1. Re:If movies have tought me anything. by Yvan256 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      The one week I don't have any mod points...

  9. But can they be made out of by AndyAndyAndyAndy · · Score: 1

    ...valour?

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    1. Re:But can they be made out of by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      You mean, Velour? Although I guess it does take Valour to make comments on /. sometimes.

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    2. Re:But can they be made out of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  10. Wearing it to sleep by Saishuuheiki · · Score: 1

    The article mentions wearing it in your sleep, but is that really necessary? I know I personally don't sleep standing up, so there's probably very little force-of-gravity effects on my legs.

    It could be an issue if it's overly difficult to put on however, as that isn't mentioned.

    1. Re:Wearing it to sleep by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or it could be that it isn't as effective as gravity, so to give it an extra bump, the extra 8 hours are needed.

    2. Re:Wearing it to sleep by Saishuuheiki · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If that's the reason it brings up other concerns. In particular the 'taller in the morning that at night syndrome'.

      Eg, it's natural for the human body to contract during the day and expand at night. Who knows what the long term effects of not doing this for an extended period of time are. I could see this as being either good or bad

    3. Re:Wearing it to sleep by sznupi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, those other concerns are already disrupted in 0g as is...

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    4. Re:Wearing it to sleep by RealErmine · · Score: 1

      The article mentions wearing it in your sleep, but is that really necessary?

      Wearing the suit to sleep is solely to curb the opportunity for adolescent pranks like swapping the Captain's suit to one with a higher elastic coefficient and watching his limbs collapse like a dead bug.

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    5. Re:Wearing it to sleep by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Who knows what the long term effects of not doing this for an extended period of time are.

      You know who I'd ask a question like that? NASA SCIENTISTS! They study crap like that, and even make nifty apparel using the information they've discovered. If anybody knows, they do...

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  11. rotate the station. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stupidity and bad engineering to create a long duration space station with no simply ring design for rotation and simulated gravity.

    1. Re:rotate the station. by jpolonsk · · Score: 1

      If it were rotating then we would lose a lot of the benefits of the experiments being done in space namely weightlessness. Also (from wikipedia) we don't know the long term effects of living in a centrifuge. Finally at a practical level the ISS isn't designed to be rotated, likely doesn't have the fuel to start the rotation and slow the rotation for the dockings and would introduce a whole new set of engineering problems.

    2. Re:rotate the station. by Saishuuheiki · · Score: 1

      A for a traveling spaceship this could be useful. However, for the space station, most of the stuff we do is experiments in zero-gravity which couldn't be done if we're spinning it to simulate gravity.

    3. Re:rotate the station. by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      fair enough if it wasn't designed for rotation, but there's no reason a ring couldn't be tacked on at a later date - probably when there's enough incentive to pay for the construction of one (it'd be quite expensive, not just for the rotating coupling with the rest of the station, but for the cost of 2 struts to connect the pods at the end of the arms to the hub, and the living quarter pods themselves. (I assume counter-rotating pods at the end of 2 arms would be a lot cheaper than a full ring)

      Also you don't need to worry about docking - you dock at the centre that doesn't rotate.

    4. Re:rotate the station. by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      No need to rotate the whole thing, just the non-lab areas.

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    5. Re:rotate the station. by KingFrog · · Score: 1

      Well, you could have sections rotate and others remain relatively fixed. Kinda like a great, space-faring ferris wheel or carousel, there could be a center hub that is (effectively) weightless, and a larger outer living region that has artificial gravity...uh, I mean centrifugal/centripetal forces acting upon it.

    6. Re:rotate the station. by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      stupidity and bad engineering to create a long duration space station with no simply ring design for rotation and simulated gravity.

      It's a not an easy thing to do. Particularly when viewed in terms of a man-rated piece of space habitat.

      Adding a rotating ring/arm/etc presents multiple serious issues, among which are safety (many tons moving experiencing a sudden mechanical lock/freeze-up can tear things apart), engineering challenges both known and yet to be discovered that haven't been developed for as yet, and weight/lift abilities/costs as the structural beams and such strong enough to withstand the stresses they will encounter will have a good bit of mass, depending on the loads.

      Strat

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    7. Re:rotate the station. by meloneg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Problem is, we're not really at that scale yet. Takes a pretty big station to achieve a reasonable gravity with spin.

    8. Re:rotate the station. by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Alright, the issue here is that if you don't make the ring fucking HUGE then you actually end up with the Coriolis effect causing extreme nausea and all the astronauts vomiting. So your "solution" would:
      A) Cost a fuckload of money.
      B) Be completely impractical to get into space and install
      C) Not work anyway.

      I find it funny that every Tom, Dick, and Harry without a high school education thinks that they're a brilliant engineer whenever they read about some problem that hundreds of experienced engineers couldn't solve. Seriously, take ten seconds and go google your idea BEFORE touting it as the magical solution that all of these foolish NASA engineers didn't think of.

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    9. Re:rotate the station. by bmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Adding a rotating portion to the station would be introducing a gyroscope. Doing so would be problematic.

      Take a bicycle wheel, spin it on its axis and then try to tilt it.

      How much fuel are you willing to spend to keep the station oriented the right way?

      How much mechanicals are you willing to spend money on to steer the solar panels if you aren't going to be using thrusters to orient the whole station?

      How big is your budget? Funding isn't unlimited. You need to make choices. If you go with a rotating section, what are you going to eliminate elsewhere to compensate for the cost?

      The only lack of thinking in this case is on your part.

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    10. Re:rotate the station. by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We can't afford to send much material up there, space stations have to be fairly small with sections having diameters of maybe 3-4 meters, you cannot make a centrifuge out of that.

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    11. Re:rotate the station. by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      Maybe the Minbari will help fund it.

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    12. Re:rotate the station. by tqk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I find it funny that every Tom, Dick, and Harry without a high school education thinks that they're a brilliant engineer whenever they read about some problem that hundreds of experienced engineers couldn't solve. Seriously, take ten seconds and go google your idea BEFORE touting it as the magical solution that all of these foolish NASA engineers didn't think of.

      You've no understanding of history. Wizards come from out of the shadows all the time. You don't NEED a PHd to create magic. It just makes you look more publishable when you do have one.

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    13. Re:rotate the station. by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 4, Informative

      I find it funny that every Tom, Dick, and Harry without a high school education thinks that they're a brilliant engineer whenever they read about some problem that hundreds of experienced engineers couldn't solve. Seriously, take ten seconds and go google your idea BEFORE touting it as the magical solution that all of these foolish NASA engineers didn't think of.

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    14. Re:rotate the station. by retchdog · · Score: 1

      One notes that after 1940, the real scientists disappear from your list, and you're left with literally the head of the Nazi eugenics program (btw, he had an MD, not a Ph.D. as you oh-so-subtly imply) and two businessmen who were of course speaking only about the current market. It is interesting...

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    15. Re:rotate the station. by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 1

      (btw, he had an MD, not a Ph.D. as you oh-so-subtly imply)

      So he had an MD, we can then assume he had made it through high school (which is what I was oh so subtly replying to)

      One notes that after 1940, the real scientists disappear from your list,

      The list is not mine, but stolen off the internet. However, it would only make sense as we get closer to the present there are fewer notable quotes as what "scientist" laugh at haven't been invented yet. But 100 years from now I'm sure we will have plenty of quotes from 1940 to present with "experts" telling us about the "impossible".

      If a scientist was quoted today as saying, "We will never be able to create artificial gravity in space." Well, that wouldn't be on the list would it? Not until artificial gravity had been invented.


      Look around for what "scientists" say are impossible today.
      -Cold Fusion
      -Anti-Gravity device
      -Electronic Telepathy Device
      -The Cloudbuster/Weather control
      -A method for transmutation of elements
      -System for sending power wirelessly

      A lot of these sound like science fiction, much like a flying hunk of steel did 150 years ago. Or a human man walking on the moon. Fun to write about, but clearly impossible to the educated mind. A mind that could tell you 100 reasons why neither would not work and give some great laws and equations to back up their claims.

      There are plenty of scientists that still scoff at the idea that sending power wirelessly will ever be "practical" or widely used. Yet small advances are made all the time. Just about every electronic retailer carries a "wireless" charging system today.

      Anyone that has had a Sonicare Toothbrush knows that wireless charging using "wireless" inductive coupling has been around a long time now.

    16. Re:rotate the station. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make it inflatable? Use black plastic as a heat collector for power instead of photo-voltaic? Supply it at it's axis?

    17. Re:rotate the station. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not some kind of frictionless "mag-lev" design for the interface instead of actual mechanical bearings? They trust such designs for trains with people aboard.

    18. Re:rotate the station. by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      I didn't say that it was impossible to simulate gravity in space, moron.

      I said that to make the idea work, the ring has to be HUGE. And that getting a HUGE ring into space is IMPRACTICAL.

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    19. Re:rotate the station. by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      You have demonstrated that you:
      A) Do not know what you're talking about
      B) Are unwilling to do even the most basic research.

      Therefore, I will not waste my time responding to you in the future.

      "Look around for what "scientists" say are impossible today.
      -A method for transmutation of elements
      -System for sending power wirelessly"

      Absolutely incorrect. Transmutation of elements actually happens inside nuclear reactors and in nature during radioactive decay.

      Transmitting power wirelessly is also done today. Radio, electric light, etc. are all applications of this. Electromagnetic induction was discovered one hell of a long time ago and has been used in many applications since.

      No scientist today says that those things are impossible. You are either making shit up or you are not researching your argument. In either case, you should shut up.

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  12. Sounds damned uncomfortable. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    n/t

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    1. Re:Sounds damned uncomfortable. by Machupo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      sounds damned uncomfortable

      Probably less uncomfortable than having paperweight bones with serious fracture risks

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    2. Re:Sounds damned uncomfortable. by jandrese · · Score: 1

      It doesn't sound like they're going to be like exercise bands or anything, just slightly undersized unitard made out of stretchy material. You probably won't notice it at all 5 minutes after you put it on.

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    3. Re:Sounds damned uncomfortable. by tinkerghost · · Score: 2, Funny

      You probably won't notice it at all 5 minutes after you put it on.

      Unless they cut it wrong & it gives you a wedgie. I can see the observation tapes now --- 6 months of an astronaut picking their body-stocking out of their ass.

    4. Re:Sounds damned uncomfortable. by ian_from_brisbane · · Score: 0

      Sounds damned uncomfortable.

      You mean like walking around at 1G on Earth?

    5. Re:Sounds damned uncomfortable. by Nethead · · Score: 1

      Read Packing for Mars by Mary Roach. Astronauts pick their asses all the time. One of the hardest things about living in zero G is trying to take a decent shit.

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  13. That would be impressive. by Majestix · · Score: 1

    If we get astronauts as sexy as 7/9 i'll be a happy camper.

    Will we then get a Space Suit issue of Sport illustrated?

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  14. Should be phrased better. by ErikZ · · Score: 1

    "Dude! What happened to your bones?"
    'Lost them.'

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  15. Wilma Deering by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 2, Funny

    My first thought is that this completely explains and legitimizes Col. Wilma Deering's wardrobe...

    then I realized this also went for Cmdr. Rogers' and I threw up in my mouth a little.

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  16. Evangelion Plugsuit by decipher_saint · · Score: 5, Funny

    Except instead of Rei or Asuka you get Buzz Aldrin... the future is a terrifying place children...

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    1. Re:Evangelion Plugsuit by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 1

      Except instead of Rei or Asuka you get Buzz Aldrin... the future is a terrifying place children...

      And in space, no one can hear you scream...

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    2. Re:Evangelion Plugsuit by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 2, Funny

      Except instead of Rei or Asuka you get Buzz Aldrin... the future is a terrifying place children...

      And in space, no one can hear you scream...

      That does make it easier to appear polite, though. Just be sure not to pantomime your screaming, then switch the mike back on. "Hello sir, nice to meet you."

      Apollo 13, this is Houston, be advised you're on VOX, we heard everything you just said... $#!%.

    3. Re:Evangelion Plugsuit by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know if Buzz is a bigger hero for doing complex docking calculations without a computer or punching out a lunar landing denier :)
      He can wear whatever he likes.

  17. 7 of 9 by swb · · Score: 1

    See? Seven of Nine's outfit was inspired by science after all.

    Yes, but it was inspired by reproductive science.

  18. exercise suit? by an_orphan · · Score: 1

    This has implications for exercise, no? Would you get stronger if you wear this all day, growing more bone and muscles than necessary?

  19. Sounds like they got it backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Because the suit's legs stretch more than the torso section, [...]"

    The more stretch, the less force exerted. The legs should stretch LESS if you want more tension there.

    1. Re:Sounds like they got it backwards by Grantbridge · · Score: 1

      No, F=kx (well for a spring) if you have a larger extension, you have a larger force. I assume they mean that the legs need to stretch more than the torso to fit in the human occupant, thereby giving a greater tension. The suit isn't deformed by a fixed force, but by a fixed extension to fit the person.

  20. Hotness is questionable... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2, Informative

    The very important issue here is that while female astronauts are fit & clever, they're rarely hot. Most of them are in their late 30s / early 40s as they've spent 20+ years getting incredible credentials. The ones who have come from the military are somewhat butch, the civilians tend to be somewhat geeky. To wit -

    http://www.google.ca/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1424&bih=719&q=female+astronauts

    1. Re:Hotness is questionable... by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So... you're telling me that a successful, smart, athletic, geeky female isn't attractive?

      WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

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    2. Re:Hotness is questionable... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Funny

      He's just still in the phase where you drool over 18yo blonde supermodels. Not that they're not pretty to look at, but looking that good is a full time job and you'd probably go crazy with all the health/fitness/makeup/styling/wardrobe/diet/anorexia/whatever stuff they do if you actually lived with one. Not that I'd turn any of them down...

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    3. Re:Hotness is questionable... by shugah · · Score: 1

      You mean most of them are engineers?

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    4. Re:Hotness is questionable... by genfail · · Score: 1

      I think your smoking crack. There is nothing hotter then a woman in a G-Suit. I would pick any of these women over a runway model any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    5. Re:Hotness is questionable... by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only if she's willing to wear a diaper during a five hundred mile drive at the end of which she intends to club someone over the head with a blunt object.

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    6. Re:Hotness is questionable... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I don't understand. What's wrong with Uhura?

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    7. Re:Hotness is questionable... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Seemingly cute, too...

      (I am not the only one thinking "ze german villain and his accomplice" at the above, right? Anyway, certainly nothing better than to be such villain and have such accomplice)

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    8. Re:Hotness is questionable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP was discussing the the allure of skintight uniforms. what does success/smarts/geeky have to do with skintight uniforms?

    9. Re:Hotness is questionable... by CYDVicious · · Score: 1

      Perhaps searching for Teen or College Dorm Astronauts?

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    10. Re:Hotness is questionable... by Trip6 · · Score: 1

      Dude, after enough time in space to cause bone loss you'd fuck anything that moves.

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    11. Re:Hotness is questionable... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      He's just still in the phase where you drool over 18yo blonde supermodels.

      Don't knock it if he can get them to stay there while he is drooling over them.

    12. Re:Hotness is questionable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you drunk? she's fucking hideous!

  21. Lost in Space? Gemini? by gravis777 · · Score: 1

    Its funny that this type of thing has been in Sci-Fi movies and television shows for decades, and I am thinking that even the original Gemini suits were somewhat form-fitting, and yet we are just now starting to look at the possibility of using these for real

  22. Multi-prong approach by jbeaupre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Suits + exercise should both be used. But if you look at the physiology of bone, it's easy to see why both won't be enough. Bone is continually being destroyed and rebuilt by your body. The proportion of destruction to construction is controlled by stress (ignoring hormones and blood chemistry for the moment).

    Gravity puts stress on your bones even when you lay down. Even in water. Any bit of movement magnifies it. Exercise in space is meant to substitute for this continual stress, but can't provide for continual, low level stress. These suits provide continual, low level stress to the skeleton. But it's still not the same.

    Low level plus high level stress work great together. This is why some schools encourage kids to jump up and down, hard, to strengthen bones by including some high stress each day. But exercise and suits in space won't provide the same level to the entire skeleton that even a few hops on Earth plus a day of video games will.

    There is one more technology used on Earth to selectively strengthen bones. Maybe it can provide the final missing stress. It turns out sound waves stress bone too. Audible sound would be too loud. But ultrasound is commonly used to accelerate bone healing and strengthening. It's not inconceivable that the skin tight suit could incorporate PVDF sheets that could transmit ultrasound into an astronaut's bones, applying it to understressed areas. It could even work as a cap to reduce bone loss in the skull.

    Or just build a big 'ol hamster wheel.

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    1. Re:Multi-prong approach by kanto · · Score: 1

      How about a shaking table of some kind?

    2. Re:Multi-prong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or zero-G kickboxing?

  23. Color Choices by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

    So in the picture attached to the article, one of the guys is wearing a nearly transparent white suit. I am not sure which researcher though that making one of the prototypes be transparent was a good idea (probably one fantasizing about female astronauts), but I have ten bucks that says the guy modeling that particular outfit just wanted to get a near-nude picture of himself on the internet for shits and giggles.

  24. Just one more step... by werepants · · Score: 1

    towards a sexy future!

  25. no - Re:But can they be made out of by Fubari · · Score: 1
    s/valour/velour/
    velour excerpt: According to costumer designer William Blackburn, the uniforms on Star Trek: The Original Series were made of velour. They were always riding up on the actors, and what came to be known as "Command Gold" was originally "Command Green", but the green velour became varying shades of yellow and light greens under the studio lights.

    Just for fun, I was surprised to see velour has been around for a while:
    historyVelour was invented in 1844 in Lyons (France). The word "Velour" is derived from French which is a term for velvet.

  26. Suitable = slightly on the skinny side? :) by sznupi · · Score: 1

    There is one somewhat related EVA suit, too: http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/index.html

    The bottom line seems to be: since some...tissues can't really maintain shape when put under mechanical pressure (what those tight suits are about), this means big breasts seem to be destined to die out, confined to this planet.

    Mwuahahaha.

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    1. Re:Suitable = slightly on the skinny side? :) by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      the suits are about pressure on hips and shoulders, has nothing to do with said pressure on the chest.

      boobs live on.

    2. Re:Suitable = slightly on the skinny side? :) by sznupi · · Score: 1

      The suits from this story, maybe (hey, who knows to where the idea will lead in the end?) but not biosuit I linked to - it needs uniform mechanical pressure and non-extending lines on the skin. Anything too...wobbly and it's a no go, apparently.

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  27. Pressure, not force. by danhaas · · Score: 1

    If the force on their feet is greater than on their shoulders, the astronauts would accelerate "up". That's what happens on Earth, the ground is constantly accelerating us up because the space itself is being distorted by mass. But that's not the case with this suit. The author probably means that the pressure on their feet is higher than on their shoulders, ie., the "downward" force is applied over a bigger area.

  28. One step closer to by vlueboy · · Score: 1

    Thus, NASA is one step closer to creating
    Zero
    Suit
    Samus (!)

  29. Please - this is SERIOUS by abbynormal+brain · · Score: 1

    I mean, my GOD! Is this the best "scientists" can come up with? Is there no LONG TERM thinking anymore?
    The effect of prolongued space travel (e.g., Mars and back) and the use of this new space suite will be that astronaughts WILL keep more of their bone mass HOWEVER, the Karenni people have taught us that clothing that pulls your shoulders down has a drastic side effect - long necks ...

    Oh wait ... that's why the aliens in Close Encounter look that way. Never mind - press on.

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    1. Re:Please - this is SERIOUS by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uhm. Spinning life support modules are the medium-long term, barring artificial gravity of course.

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  30. 2001 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This all seems a waste of effort to me. While it is not "gravity," why can't we just build a ship like 2001: A Space Odyssey? Why wouldn't centrifugal force work?

  31. But will they... by frodo527 · · Score: 1

    ... need to wear their underwear on the outside?

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  32. I Can Hear it Now by carrier+lost · · Score: 1

    Skin-Tight Bodysuits Could Protect Astronauts From Bone Loss

    "You're going out into space wearing that?!

  33. Why not rotate the station to simulate gravity? by markdj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So many science fiction stories have shown that one can simulate gravity with centrifugal force by rotating a craft/station. Why don't we do this with the international space station?

    1. Re:Why not rotate the station to simulate gravity? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      It would make docking somewhat difficult, to say the least.

    2. Re:Why not rotate the station to simulate gravity? by Caerdwyn · · Score: 4, Informative
      1. The ring, to avoid problems with the aforementioned Coriolis force, would have to be hundreds of feet in diameter. The expense would be extreme.
      2. The ring, to avoid problems induced by the mass of the astronauts moving from place to place, would have to either be very massive or have a series of weights that always move by themselves to the opposite side of the ring from where a given astronaut is located. Consider what this would do to the bearings of the interface of the nonrotating section if even a slight wobble were introduced. Think of what happens when one of your car's wheels throws a balance-weight. This counterbalance system would be a complex maintenance-hog with a really nasty failure mode
      3. If the station is built without a nonrotating section (a la 2001:A Space Odyssey , docking becomes orders of magnitude more difficult and dangerous. We've already had incidents of damage to the ISS caused by bad docking attempts... now we want to add spin?
      4. In an emergency, you're dealing with an object that has a lot of rotational inertia. How do you take the spin off? Will the ring tear itself apart if a critical structural member is micrometeored, hit with space junk, or suffers a material failure?
      5. How would EVAs to do inspections and repairs work? Sounds like a very high possibility of an astronaut getting slung off into the great black void.

      It's a good idea for the health of the astronauts, but the cost is prohibitive. Science fiction authors don't have to deal with the budgetary process...

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    3. Re:Why not rotate the station to simulate gravity? by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      To generate artifical gravity it is based off of how fast you are spinning and how far you are from the center. The IIS is too small to get 1 G you would have to spin really fast then you hit the problem where there will be a different amount of gravity between your feet and head. According to my HS physics teacher Odyssey in 2001 was too small to generate gravity properly all the blood in the astronauts body would pool at their feet.

    4. Re:Why not rotate the station to simulate gravity? by Anaerin · · Score: 4, Informative

      As has been mentioned a few times earlier, there are several reasons.

      • You need a (very large) spinning area for the correct amount of inertial force to create a gravitic effect. On a station as small as the ISS, having a rotating section (Which would need to rotate pretty fast for the necessary G forces) would induce a very pronounced "Coriolis effect", which would have the astronauts within constantly throwing up and uncomfortable (at the very least).
      • The interface between the rotating and non-rotating sections would be extremely difficult to make and keep secure. Any mechanical failure would lead to rapid destruction of the entire station, as the several tonnes of rotating mass will maintain it's inertia and rip itself, and the station, apart against the seized bearings or other failed part.
      • Given that well over three quarters of the experimentation on the ISS is related to behavior of items in microgravity, to remove that microgravity would remove most of the incentive to study anything on-board.
      • Spinning an area of the ship like that would create a gyroscopic effect, which could severely destabilize the ISS' orbit without constant correction, which would use large amounts of fuel.
      • Having just one spinning section would also, by the friction in the interface parts, cause the stationary section to begin turning with the spinning section. Or, if the spinning section is spinning against the stationary section, a counter-rotation in the "stationary" section. The "Fix" to this would be to have two "Spinning" sections, which counter-rotate, but this would mean there would have to be massive upgrades to in-between sections to handle the torque, and of course, twice the potential problems.

      Or, they could put the astronauts in small spandex suits and swap them out every few months to recover. It's not as if staying on the ISS is a permanent position (yet), after all.

    5. Re:Why not rotate the station to simulate gravity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. The ring, to avoid problems with the aforementioned Coriolis force, would have to be hundreds of feet in diameter. The expense would be extreme.

      Then make it massive. Have robots build it in space, all you pay for is the robots and getting them there. Yeah it'll prolly take a while, the ole time/money/quality pick two thing.

      The ring, to avoid problems induced by the mass of the astronauts moving from place to place, would have to either be very massive or have a series of weights that always move by themselves to the opposite side of the ring from where a given astronaut is located. Consider what this would do to the bearings of the interface of the nonrotating section if even a slight wobble were introduced. Think of what happens when one of your car's wheels throws a balance-weight. This counterbalance system would be a complex maintenance-hog with a really nasty failure mode

      See above.

      If the station is built without a nonrotating section (a la 2001:A Space Odyssey , docking becomes orders of magnitude more difficult and dangerous. We've already had incidents of damage to the ISS caused by bad docking attempts... now we want to add spin?

      Whether a piece spins or not, it can be engineered. saying it's "omg hard" doesn't change the fact that it can be done, and well, if we but try.

      In an emergency, you're dealing with an object that has a lot of rotational inertia. How do you take the spin off? Will the ring tear itself apart if a critical structural member is micrometeored, hit with space junk, or suffers a material failure?

      It's massive, easy to fix micrometeorite damage on a scheduled basis.

      How would EVAs to do inspections and repairs work? Sounds like a very high possibility of an astronaut getting slung off into the great black void.

      I'd do it with robots, but if you must, then no going outside without a leash, problem solved.

      It's a good idea for the health of the astronauts, but the cost is prohibitive. Science fiction authors don't have to deal with the budgetary process...

      Screw budgetary processes, no one see's the income, that's it. "How does this make us money" is the only consideration.

    6. Re:Why not rotate the station to simulate gravity? by Asm-Coder · · Score: 1

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      Ok, so it's not an *existing* product, but I love the fact that following your sig to the letter would have you modded troll.
      (I agree with you that such a project would be difficult, but I'm willing to give humanity the benefit of the belief that we can overcome these problems if we decide it's worthwhile.)

  34. would it work in reverse? by sgt+scrub · · Score: 2, Funny

    or should us "big boned" people just become astronauts?

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  35. A really long time by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    What happens if you stay in space a really long time? Do you just become a floating bag of boneless flesh? Why haven't we seen a dramatization of this, or did I miss something? I think it is a fascintating concept that the bones just disappear over time.

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  36. 7 / 9 by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 1

    > See? Seven of Nine's outfit was inspired by science after all.

    That was a suit? I thought it was painted on?

    Wonder if this suit could help osteoporosis sufferers?

  37. Legitimate reason for Battlestar Galactica... by Dark+Fire · · Score: 1

    Now their will be a legitimate reason for the Battlestar Galactica characters to where skin-tight uniforms in the new Syfy series. Tighten the suits and water down the writing. :( All in the quest to prevent bone density loss.

  38. Skintight outfits . . . by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1
    off suitable female astronauts (cue snare drum rim shot).

    The publicity photo reminds me of Monty Python's Trim Jeans sketch, somehow.

  39. MINE by VoiceInTheDesert · · Score: 1

    I totally had this idea for a sci-fi story I was writing...I wasn't sure it was well-founded in science, it just seemed like a good idea. Turns out I rule.

    1. Re:MINE by AJWM · · Score: 1

      You and every sci-fi illustrator of the 40s and 50s, yes.

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  40. Does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wearing a rubber will make my dick bigger, in space?

  41. Skin tight suits ... by Dabido · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ... for female astronauts. That probably won't just stop bone loss, it might make my bone bigger than ever!

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  42. It's the acidosis, not the lack of exercise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This won't work. Bone loss is not primarily caused by lack of exercise. It happens because the body gets confused, thinks its overhydrated and begins dropping water, which puts the blood into acidosis, which the body counters by releasing calcium ions. Hydration is regulated by the heart. In zero gravity, fluid shifts upward into heart sack, making the body believe it is overhydrated.

    1. Re:It's the acidosis, not the lack of exercise by Kaz+Kylheku · · Score: 1

      Extraordinary claims require extraordinarily credible citations.

  43. Not with Artificial Gravity it wasn't by HaveNoMouth · · Score: 0, Redundant

    See? Seven of Nine's outfit was inspired by science after all.

    Fail. Name one time when you ever saw Seven of Nine in a gravity-free environment.

  44. The Russians have been doing this for a decade by CreateWindowEx · · Score: 1

    The Russian cosmonauts wore the TNK V-1, or "Penguin suit", which used elastic bands that would force the knees to bend up to the chest unless the wearer exerted force.

  45. ALL out of context and most just to fend off scams by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let's look at your list.
    "Cold Fusion" should be changed to "Cold Fusion the way Ponds and Fleischman" said it can happen.

    Anti-gravity stands until we REALLY know how gravity works instead of just watching what it does. Trivial anti-gravity devices such as rope, elevators and helicopters etc are exempt.

    As for electronic telepathy, once again WTF is telepathy? There is no answer right or wrong to examples of such a device and it could even be argued that we have such a thing now with radio, microphones and headphones since information gets from one brain to another with a bit of help from mouth, audio and radio.

    Weather Control? I had the good fortune from when I was seven years old to go to a scout hall that had a "geiger vortex gun" cloud seeding device from the 1900s out the front, so I got an exposure to a silly example of psuedoscience bullshit at an early age. It's a very long running scam which is why it usually gets put on the "impossible" list. We don't yet know enough to make such a thing work but scammers getting money from the desperate have been pretending to do so for a very long time. Maybe it will happen some day, but for now it should just ring alarm bells and encourage people to take a close look at the scientific equivalent of the Nigerian spam scam before they lose their cash.

    I don't understand why you have transmutation on that list. It happens in nature during radioactive decay, and if you look in the sky during the day you'll see an example of heavier elements being formed from light elements.

    Wireless power - why is that on the list? Radio is an low wattage implementation of it and you can have a radio that works with nothing but what it picks up from it's antenna to drive a small speaker (1930's crystal radio). Your toothbrush charger is half of a transformer and Faraday would have be able to look at it and explain to you how it works in seconds - it's not the "wireless power" that is being dismissed as impractical by anyone just a transformer that has more losses with increasing distance.
    Possible does not mean practical in all situations - Tesla's idea of setting up a current between a resonating earth and the newly discovered ionosphere had a few major practical problems but we only know that from hindsight. Being on the opposite side of the earth to such a generator would be shocking to say the least (arc from ionosphere to ground). The reason wireless power is on the list is every now and again somebody half understands very well known laws of physics, comes up with something completely wrong based on loophole that isn't there to think they can get far better transmission than we have, and then shouts it from the rooftops without checking first if reality agrees. It's also used in scams. The space elevator power transmission thing is a semi-scam that is amusing. You have theoretical material making up the beanstalk that is one of the best electrical conductors known and you make the elevator powered by a laser and photovoltaic? That's just a way to lose power and pretend you are making progress until the theoretical material for the beanstalk exists.

  46. not "impossible" but "impractical" by DrYak · · Score: 1

    nobody said that using rotations to simulate gravity is impossible. It's just not practical today.
    today, it's still simpler and cheaper to just put a spandex suit on a couple of astronauts rather than tackling the huge amount of engineering and incredible costs of building mega structures with gigantic rotating rings in space. Even if one day, probably this will be the best solution.

    just as, in some point of time, cracking a match and lighting a candle was a much simple solution than tackling all the logistics of bringing electricity to every single home.

    there's a slight difference between "one day that might turn out to be successful" and "in today's context, it's not worth pursuing. For now."

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    1. Re:not "impossible" but "impractical" by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 1

      Maybe re-read the parent.

      He gives a couple reasons why it would be impractical and then states, that it would "Not work anyway." (i.e. detailed list of reason "C" )

      Besides, my post (which quoted what I was replying to) was only in response to the how the parent thought it was funny that someone that wasn't an engineer would even bother to try and have an idea.

      Einstein being the first to pop into my head.
      He wrote "The Investigation of the State of Aether in Magnetic Fields" during the time he dropped out of school by using a doctors note.
      His father wanted him to go to an electrical engineering school, which he applied to but since he hadn't graduated and didn't have a certificate they had him take an entrance exam instead, which he failed.

      Just funny how somethings never seem to change.

  47. Really? TF! by Rockin'Robert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thank the heavens they've finally worked it all out, at last! Can you believe, all of this time, we actually thought skin already did that?

  48. Physics? by Kaz+Kylheku · · Score: 1

    Because the suit's legs stretch more than the torso section, the wearer's legs are subjected to a greater force — replicating gravity effects on Earth

    This can only be true if the suit is split into two separate compartments of tension: feet to waist, and waist to shoulder.

    This means that there will be an unbalanced force at around the waist, which will have to be counteracted by a very firm attachment to the waist so that the lower part of the suit does not slip down.

    That, in turn, sounds very uncomfortable!

    Imagine, say, wearing 100 pound pants with a belt tight enough so they don't slip (no use of suspenders: that would run the same 100 pound compression through your spine /and/ legs).

    Also, is mere static compression really enough to prevent bone loss? I thought that bone responds to changing stresses. There is a theory that the piezo-electric effect is involved.

    Placing the legs under a constant tension does not accurately simulate how they are actually loaded on earth: changing from sitting or lying to standing, shifting weight from one leg to the other during walking. and handling several times the body weight during activities like jumping and running.

    Another thing: would stirrups be enough? You need density in the metatarsal bones of your feet, which are carrying your weight whenever you stand on your toes, which happens during walking, etc. What's the use of having good bone density in your femur and tibia, if you get a stress fracture in your foot.

    Hmm ...

  49. Re: by suckhoenct · · Score: 1

    1 to 2 percent of their bone mass for each month they spend in space? then each year lost their interval 10 to 20 percent of their bone?