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Scientists Propose One-Way Trips To Mars

vortex2.71 writes "Invoking the spirit of Star Trek in a scholarly article entitled 'To Boldly Go,' two scientists contend human travel to Mars could happen much more quickly and cheaply if the missions are made one-way. They argue that it would be little different from early settlers to North America, who left Europe with little expectation of return. 'The main point is to get Mars exploration moving,' said Dirk Schulze-Makuch of Washington State University, who wrote the article in the latest Journal of Cosmology with Paul Davies of Arizona State University. The colleagues state — in one of 55 articles in the issue devoted to exploring Mars — that humans must begin colonizing another planet as a hedge against a catastrophe on Earth."

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  1. Little difference? by IrquiM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least they could breathe and had water when the colonized America.

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    1. Re:Little difference? by Partaolas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is everyone assuming that the "colonists" will die within days of arrival? I am willing to bet that there will be lots of volunteers for one-way missions to Mars (provided good chances of survival).

    2. Re:Little difference? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As ol' Dr. Zubrin says, put out the call and people will be lined up coast to coast. What is with people being unable to look beyond their own mindset? Saying things like "I wouldn't do it so why would anybody else?" Is like saying "I don't like onions so why would anybody else?" It's just stupidly narrow-minded and egotistical. Even if "most people" wouldn't go, you don't need millions. You just need a handful, and out of the billions on the planet I'm pretty sure you could find hundreds both willing and able (in terms of psychiatric and intellectual health) if the call were public enough, and even then you'd probably only be able to make use of a dozen (and even that would be one of the largest space-faring crews ever).

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    3. Re:Little difference? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, we're much bigger pussies than we were 70 years ago. It's not that we lack the volunteers who would happily take on all these risks. We don't have a public that would allow people to volunteer in the first place. I think that's the first problem: A miserable hero suffering and dying on Mars is just too depressing for the collective consciousness.

      The second problem is that we don't really know much about self-sustaining sealed-off human habitats. We only did one experiment on this in the 90's, learned amazing stuff, but inexplicably we designated the experiment a "failure" and decided to learn nothing from it. All similar research was abandoned. To me, continuing with this research is the obvious and right way to ramp up for a useful Martian trip. The other obvious research we need to do: Autonomous (robotic) mining and mineral processing. Both of these paths of research would have important spinoffs useful here on Earth, and both could be done independently of NASA because the research doesn't need to have anything to do with space.

      We don't need big breakthroughs to make Martian station work. But the things that we do need, we're making no effort to acquire.

    4. Re:Little difference? by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Incidentally, many of the early settlers were criminals of some sort

      In Australia, maybe. In North America it was mostly people fleeing poverty and persecution.

      Hey, there's an idea: offer Mars to Israel or Palestine! Want land of your own, with no chance of persecution? Get on that rocket-ship!

    5. Re:Little difference? by JoshuaZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Part of the problem with nationalism is that they want specific land. The Israelis don't want Mars. They want a small strip in the Middle East. And the same for the Palestinians. If they weren't attached to specific areas of land everythign there would be much simpler.

  2. Sign me up! by NikolaiKutuzov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Three years ago I would have happily signed up for such an adventure, even if it was one-way. To be part of that, oh wow. These days, with a wife and a child, I guess I'll envy those who go, but wont be amongst them.

    So I dont thinnk there be volunteers lacking, Even though I dont know wether they ft the general requirements of mental stability to be locked up in a can for a year. Even the early colonists of the Americas expected to make some money and then return. And even in the Americas it was a three month voyage on a ship, not a year in space.

    But hell, what a ride.

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  3. Re:Mars the new Australia? by wlad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, as it will already be hard enough to keep normal people psychologically stable all the way there, and from throwing each other out of the airlock, let's send criminals and crazies :) I don't think they will even arrive there. You could just as well shoot them on-spot.

  4. Not going to happen by camperdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not going to happen. At least not in the western world. The US space program is highly political. NASA requires the good will of the congress. Since it would not be politically favourable to send people on a one way mission, NASA would never get funding for it.

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  5. Re:Did anyone else... by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're seeding technological infrastructure, why send people at all? Send ships of robots and parts, once the robots have assembled the habitat, pressurized it, prepared gardens, located water and what not, then you send people to live there.

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  6. Re:China will do this by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That treaty won't be worth the paper it is printed on once some entity that has enough resources to defend its property rights actually makes a large investment in space.

  7. Re:Does anyone else feel that this article... by abigor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no shortage of land on Earth. Canada alone could comfortably fit billions, assuming they don't mind living in a periodically cold, hostile environment that is still infinitely friendlier than that of Mars.

  8. Re:unethical by delinear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yesterday was Remembrance Sunday here. If we have in the past and can continue to send people to war with a realistic chance that they'll die, then what's the issue with sending someone on such a noble endeavour as this. At least they will know their lives advanced all of humanity, instead of advancing a few inches into no man's land or paying the ultimate price for the enrichment of a few billionaires arguing over resources.

  9. Forget about colonization by rollingcalf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If humans screw up the earth to the point where it becomes unlivable, our species deserves to just become extinct.

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  10. save the humans! by dAzED1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "humans must begin colonizing another planet as a hedge against a catastrophe on Earth" For the love of G-d and all that is holy, why must we? If we have the technology to make Mars habitable, then we have the technology to fix Earth. If the Earth goes to hell in a handbasket, would humans living on Mars save your life? Why not spend 1/10th that same energy to fixing this place? If we can't straighten out our own house, what the hell makes us think we could make Mars work out? Such a trip would be nothing more than billions upon billions of dollars, pulled from the taxes of hundreds of millions of people, just to pander to the selfish dreams of a very small number of people. Spend that money on making a light rail system spanning the US, clean energy sources (solar, wind, etc), and you'll have lots left over; and then it helps save this planet, for the benefit of billions of current earthlings, plus all generations to come. Or...spend the money to send a couple dozen people to Mars, so they can...do jack for the rest of us. One key thing to keep in mind - most of the people who went from Europe to the US back in the day either paid their own way, or were sent specifically so they could gather resources to send back. The idea that it was a one-way trip is true only for the people who paid their own way. So if a few billionaires want to get together and send themselves to Mars, I'm not going to stop them. But why the hell should I pay for someone else to go?

    1. Re:save the humans! by BitZtream · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If we have the technology to make Mars habitable, then we have the technology to fix Earth.

      Terraforming Mars over hundreds of years and several generations is a lot different than fixing Earth after it has been slammed my a large chunk of rock like those that have hit in the past and nearly wiped out everything, or those in the past that did things like ... you know ... turning the planet into one giant ball of molten rock.

      When your data center burns down, its not really hard to rebuild it and start over, however your company will cease to exist in the months it takes you to get back up and running. And then, what if your backups get completely wiped out in the process.

      Wipe out human life on Earth in one big event and we can't rebuild shit.

      Consider Mars to be a backup data center with a back copy of the code required to rebuild. Having DNA and living organisms elsewhere is a good idea.

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    2. Re:save the humans! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I sympathize. It also shows incredible naivety to think we can "fix all out problems at home first!"

      Well, I guess we'll be going into space somewhere around the year 400 billion A.D.

  11. But why even need volunteers? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes you could find people willing to go on a one-way trip. Even people who are qualified. Sure.

    But I don't see the point in sending anyone until we've done enough robotic exploration, excavation, processing, manufacturing, and assembly where there would already be pre-constructed habitats and stores of fuel.

    And once you've got a pre-established mechanized facility for people to arrive at, I see no reason not to just wait a little longer until the fuel stores are larger, and a return trip is feasible.

    I'm 100% for manned exploration. But I think the time when the only possible human exploration is of the one-way-trip variety and the time when we are far better served by robotic exploration are largely the same.

    I mean we aren't talking visiting other solar systems here which may necessarily be one-way. If we can't bring people back from Mars then it's due to a serious lack of technical capability and resources. So, let's use robots until we've fixed the capability issue, and use the robots themselves to fix the resource issue.

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