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Oracle Solaris 11 Express Released

comay writes "Today Oracle released Solaris 11 Express 2010.11. It includes a large number of new features (PDF) not found in either Oracle Solaris 10 or previous OpenSolaris releases, including ZFS encryption and deduplication, network-based packaging and provisioning systems, network virtualization, optimized I/O for NUMA platforms and optimized platform support including support for Intel's latest Nehalem and SPARC T3. In addition, Oracle Solaris 10 support is available from within a container/zone so migration of existing systems is greatly simplified." Reader gtirloni adds, "Oracle also announced that this is not a beta or preview, but a full, supported release aimed at everybody developing, testing, prototyping or demonstrating applications running on the latest Solaris release (not allowed to be used in production)."

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  1. Do not want by countSudoku() · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thanks, Larry. Unfortunately, we're up to our ears in new hardware running virtual instances of Solaris 8 and 9 still. Imagine all that wonderful new crap we could do with Solaris 11? Like hosting Solaris 8 and Solaris 9 forever... Please do something useful like not being a giant IT asshole. Thanks!

    Oh, and great work on Java and OpenOffice! Way to drive off any good developers. Guess you'll need to raise your prices even more to pay for angry junior software engineers to replace freely available, superior talent. Weren't you going to ride a balloon to the sun, or was that Beardy Branson? I get you two confused.

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    1. Re:Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The "freely available, superior talent" producing the Linux desktop is really innovating and producing superior software... Practically every open source software project that matters, including those you mentioned and the Linux kernel, is produced primarily by paid developers.

  2. Re:But ... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes

  3. Full, Supported Release -- That we can't use by Chuck_McDevitt · · Score: 5, Informative

    So, it's a "Full, Supported Release", but we can't use it for anything except as a development platform (and what to deploy on?). From the license agreement: We can't "use the Programs for your own internal business purposes... or for any commercial or production purposes" So in reality, it's just a way to show off, an try to keep people from jumping ship to linux. It's definitely the antithesis of FOSS -- nothing is free about it.

  4. Minor quibble... by trims · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, you can't use the free download version for any production use. It's really annoying, and severely limits the usefulness of S11 Express.

    However, note that if you have an Oracle Premium Support contract (all Oracle Support is Premium ;-), then you have an entitlement to use S11 Express in a production environment, and receive normal support for it, just like you have an RTU and Support for Oracle Linux and Oracle Solaris 10 via the same contract.

    This is just an FYI - I'm not commenting on the utility or "goodness" of S11Express.

    -Erik

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    1. Re:Minor quibble... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      A mere $1000,- per Socket.

      ...per year.

  5. Re:Full, Supported Release -- CORRECTION by gtirloni · · Score: 5, Informative

    It seems you actually CAN request a support contract for Solaris 11 Express. The issue seems to be that the download from the Oracle Technology Network alone doesn't give you that hability (to use in production). It looks like they should have paid more attention to the wording... the download from OTN shouldn't be used in production but if you want support to use it in production, contact Oracle. This has been pointed out to many people, perhaps they will make that more explicity. The download page also mentions it's a "full supported release".

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  6. Re:But ... by trims · · Score: 3, Informative

    No. BrandZ is dead, and support for it has been removed, in favor of VirtualBox as the preferred method of supporting Linux-on-Solaris.

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  7. Re:Solaris 11 will be available in 2011 by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Informative

    He's talking about OpenSolaris... The open source branch. He's right about that, it's effectively been killed.

  8. Re:But ... by carton · · Score: 4, Informative

    BrandZ never supported newer than CentOS 3.8 because it emulated Linux 2.4 kernel. It was killed and put in the attic before the Oracle takeover. Also the emulation was never good enough to run apache. I don't think it was ever used very much except internally to run 'acroread', but Sun sure did flog it to death at every users group marketing event. Half of the Solaris 10 Promises they actually did fully, usefully deliver, albeit a couple years late, but BrandZ wasn't one of them.

    I would say Xen is a better way to run Linux than VirtualBox. There's a lot of work in OpenSolaris on polishing Xen, though unfortunately, (1) Xen isn't in OpenIndiana, and (2) you can't run VirtualBox and Xen at the same time. :)

    There's stuff in Solaris that doesn't get nearly enough credit though, like Crossbow 10gig NIC acceleration similar to RPS & RFS in Linux, Infiniband support and NFS-RDMA transport, 'eventports' (an Nginx-friendly feature similar to epoll and kqueue), and the integration between the ipkg package system and ZFS, and mdb (everyone talks about dtrace, but no one about mdb). Then there's stuff that just shockingly sucks, like JDS and ipfilter and the permanent lack of a Chromium port.

  9. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You just proved the GP's point.

  10. From the license by rrossman2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You may not:
    - use the Programs for your own internal business purposes (other than developing, testing, prototyping and demonstrating your applications) or for any commercial or production purposes;
    - remove or modify any program markings or any notice of our proprietary rights;

    - make the Programs available in any manner to any third party;

    - use the Programs to provide third-party training;

    - assign this agreement or give or transfer the Programs or an interest in them to another individual or entity;

    - cause or permit reverse engineering (unless required by law for interoperability), disassembly or decompilation of the Programs;

    - disclose results of any benchmark test results related to the Programs without our prior consen

  11. Re:But ... by Piranhaa · · Score: 2, Informative

    They don't have 2.6 support?

    [root@brandz ~]# uname -apm
    Linux brandz 2.6.18 BrandZ fake linux i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
    [root@brandz ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS release 5.5 (Final)
    [root@brandz ~]#

  12. Re:VirtualBox? by Galactic+Dominator · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wonder if ZFS will continue to be released to be used in FreeBSD.

    Yes -- http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2010-August/009197.html

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  13. Re:Yesterday's News by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Solaris is now a very high-end OS that's as relevant to people as AIX is

    Actually, it's 17 times less relevant than AIX, at least in the Top 500.

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  14. no, they really didn't have 2.6 support. by carton · · Score: 2, Informative

    This post is extremely dishonest. If you've actually installed enough to get that output, that necessarily means you already realize (1) you installed from some experimental .tar.gz file with all kinds of undocumented tampering, meant for development, not from the actual release .iso the way the 2.4 'lx' brand installs, so 'cat /etc/redhat-release' doesn't actually mean the installer ran up to that point which is something it would imply to any reasonable individual. In fact the GNU tar that extracted that .tar.gz was probably the solaris one, not even Linux tar.

    And (2) it's so broken that basic programs like 'rm' don't run! That page says, b131 was the first one with enough basic syscalls for 'rm' to work. and lx brand was moved to the attic in b143 (search for EOF lx brand).

    This field is full of overwhelming arcania, and without the good faith effort of people like yourself we'll make bad decisions and garble our own history. Please don't spew out deliberately misleading teasers just for the contrary LULZ of it.

    1. Re:no, they really didn't have 2.6 support. by Piranhaa · · Score: 2, Informative

      False.

      I used a simple image file from openvz I believe. There was NO tampering needed to get this working. Simply pointing the zoneadm installer to use the tar.gz file. Sure it's not a "REAL" install, but it's by no means "undocumented tampering"

      I've actually been running a full rtorrent with web interface (XML-RPC) without ANY hiccup for over the last year.

      This was first running on snv118, but now I'm running snv134. My friend was running his similar setup on snv118 as well. Not sure why that was a report for rm not working, because I'm quite sure if it was as foobar'd as you claim, NOTHING would work. I have had barely any issues except what I list below.

      I have ANOTHER 2.6 brandZ running a full mysql database, while another runs X-forwarding and shell access.

      I actually had WINE running one at one point for utorrent, but there were some issues with some libraries, so dns wouldn't work only for utorrent.

    2. Re:no, they really didn't have 2.6 support. by Piranhaa · · Score: 2, Informative

      lx2.6 (Linux kernel 2.6 support) is considered experimental. It runs fine for me and a couple others that I know, but cannot say if it will work for you. There are certain things that WILL NOT work. Your best bet is to just try it.

      Mind you these zones I run aren't heavily utilized, but I do know hash checking torrents doesn't give the CPU a break. It's nice seeing each process in a zone show up in my main OpenSolaris "top" process tree.

      Check out this forum: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=466361&tstart=0 read "jwhitby3"'s post on using the openvz image.

      The posts are from early October, and b131 wasn't even out then. jwhitby3 is reportedly using 2009.06.. So build 111b or so.

      First login, you'll need to use zlogin -S to change the root pass. After that, it should run beautifully... Just probably not a good idea to run it in a true production environment.

    3. Re:no, they really didn't have 2.6 support. by Piranhaa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Almost forgot..

      Here's the info page on OpenSolaris

      http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+brandz/linux_2_6

      You can follow pretty closely - ignoring the guide about creating your own image since you'll be using an openvz image. The rest is relevant. .. Just remember they're removing lx support in the newest versions =(

      Also I think the /etc/resolv.conf file doesn't exist after setting up the zone.. So you'll need to create one to do anything practical online.

  15. Re:Sparc T3? Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Niagara sounds impressive until you actually try to run something on it. Our experience is that the T2 has significantly less processing power than a 3 year old Intel/AMD CPU. I seriously doubt they have done anything with T3 to best a quad-core Nehalem. They claim it's workload dependent. We haven't found a workload that works.

  16. Re:Wait, what? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You know that Solaris Express predates OpenSolaris by over a year, right?

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