Slashdot Mirror


Stuxnet Virus Now Biggest Threat To Industry

digitaldc writes "A malicious computer attack that appears to target Iran's nuclear plants can be modified to wreak havoc on industrial control systems around the world, and represents the most dire cyberthreat known to industry, government officials and experts said Wednesday. They warned that industries are becoming increasingly vulnerable to the so-called Stuxnet worm as they merge networks and computer systems to increase efficiency. The growing danger, said lawmakers, makes it imperative that Congress move on legislation that would expand government controls and set requirements to make systems safer."

43 of 254 comments (clear)

  1. We should thank Israel, or whoever by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a wake-up call to a new vulnerability. There are a helluva lot worse ways to have found out about it than this relatively innocuous version. It also exposes stupid weaknesses like the fact that all Siemens PLC's (programmable logic controllers) have a hard-coded password that was never meant to be changed, and that all the obscure proprietary software in the world on PLC's doesn't mean jack for security--because they all still have to take their orders from a machine running it software on regular old Windows.

    We could have realized these vulnerabilities only after a bunch of stuff started exploding.

    --
    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    1. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      this is a wake up call to a new "cyber-vulnerability"! Oh noes! I said the word cyber! It's not a threat, it's a cyberthreat!

      yes, this is the hype they want you to believe. Stuxnet is something to be concerned about, but adding the word cyber is just bullshit hype all around.

      the rest is just calling into play Siemens shitty programming ethics which are now going to bite them in the ass as businesses and government will probably shy away from business with them until this can be fixed.

    2. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by mevets · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We also could have foreseen these vulnerabilities.

      I used to work in industrial automation - in its pre-windows era, and people did put effort into isolation, access control and validation.

      After having made the bad decision to deploy on Windows, when years of evidence that it had a horrendous lack of access control, how did Siemens just continue on? What were they thinking?

    3. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, according to Captain Hindsight, we should have secured our PLC's and SCADA infrastructure better years ago.

      --
      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    4. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, the problem is that even if your PLC's aren't networked--the laptop that reprograms them may be at some point (and can be infected with a virus). Even if you pull your whole infrastructure off the network, it doesn't ensure security if Jim the IT guy is using the Step 7 laptop to surf the web, or if any yahoo can stick his thumb drive into said laptop and give it a digital STD.

      --
      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    5. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by squizzar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Every time someone suggests a Windows based system in _any_ critical situation plenty of people come out shouting how it will undoubtedly lead to the end of the world. Hindsight doesn't even come into it - the possibility of these scenarios was predicted, brought to people's attention and dismissed.

      'Captain Hindsight' parodies people who appear out of the woodwork to say what is now blindingly obvious, not people who had the foresight to predict these problems but were ignored.

    6. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Those bender units are notoriously unreliable and surly.

      --
      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    7. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by JWW · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep, you and the GGP post are correct, this was a foresight issue. I too was in a position where I was asked to replace reliable, effective, and secure Unix control systems with Windows based systems.

      It was a ridiculous play for the new eye-candy, and "usability" (why do you need general application usability on machines that should be running only ONE program?). Just the fact that there were now Windows machines on the production floor led to enormous headaches. All kinds of access controls and system policies and restrictions and processes needed to be put in place to keep these machines functioning even reasonably well, where the Unix boxes (and X-terminals) they replaced were ROCK SOLID.

      Now the industry will pay for using the quick and easy and VULNERABLE hardware to run their process control systems.

    8. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      all Siemens PLC's (programmable logic controllers) have a hard-coded password

      A Siemens PLC has no such hard coded password. In fact, if the plants in question had activated the write protection options provided by Siemens PLC's, then there would have been no way for the worm to change the PLC code (without the worm knowing the plants' password). Any manufacturer's PLC would have been vulnerable in the same way, if the customer didn't make use of the security features provided.

      The password confusion is related to a vulnerability in the WinCC visualization/operator software, which runs on a Windows computer, and communicates with a MSSQL database. It is the database password that is fixed in the Siemens software, and there has been a team created to address this, and other potential security concerns.

    9. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everything, everything, is a reason for "new government controls" these days. If the TSA groping 3-year-old girls isn't a wakeup call to the gradual march of fascism we seem to embrace, I don't know what is.

      "Threat"? I don't care. "Cyber-threat"? I don't care. I don't care what the threat is any more. I have more than enough government, and I want less! The biggest threat by far is our government, and it's time to de-fund the whole stinking mess.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    10. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wake up call? new?

      Lots of IT pros have been screaming for a DECADE that only complete fucking morons put a SCADA system on anything that is connected to an external network. Let me repeat that. ONLY A COMPLETE MORON will hook up a scada system to a pc that bridges the internet and the secured network, OR puts the whole damn thing on a unsecured network.

      Guess what, Complete morons are the managers of these places, these complete morons do not want to buy extra pc's so they have the employees check their email ON THE SCADA computers. OR they do something stupid and not lock them down and allow the users to install and run software on them.

      This is not a new problem. Those of us in IT have known about it and have been yelling at the idiots in charge for a long time now. IT's just this is the first real "BITE THEM IN THE ASS" that has happened and got a lot of publicity.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    11. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because the customer is too stupid to use a different OS for the single application that needs to run on that?

      If you think that you need to run Office on the SCADA computer, please throw yourself from the nearest building as people who think the way you do are the cause of this problem.

      "Hey dave, the nuclear reactor computer, you think it will run Netflix?" Yup: you're the problem.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    12. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, some retarded fringe protest is the opposite of what we need. What we do need is people to wake up to the gradual increase in totalitarianism, and stop being OK with it. We still have a functioning democracy, and any every intrusive government agency can be destroyed entirely with a stroke of a pen. Every single world event is an excuse to make out government stronger and more intrusive if we let it be so, but we can just as easily decide that enough is too much, and put and end to it.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    13. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      ONLY A COMPLETE MORON will hook up a scada system to a pc that bridges the internet and the secured network, OR puts the whole damn thing on a unsecured network.

      As someone that worked on SCADA software for about a decade, I wholeheartedly approve this message. With very few exceptions, every bit of SCADA code I saw makes [insert favorite insecure software target here] look like Fort Knox. You do NOT want the internet getting anywhere near that code.

      P.S. Thanks, Slashdot, for making me log in to IE to post. I still can't copy/paste in Chrome.

      --
      [b.belong('us') for b in bases if b.owner() == 'you']
    14. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All of the above. Less government funding. Less government taxing (except we can't in practice, but it's still desireable). Fewer government employees, especially at the federal level. But all of that is secondary: less government intrusiveness in my daily life is the main thing.

      Here's a clue: roads and NASA and pretty much everything else that the feeral government does that's actually productive is down to less than 20% of the budget. The vast majority of the budget consists of money taxen from less-politically-favored individuals, and handed directly to more-politically-favored individuals.

      But even that's just money. The money part is only interesting because were out of it, and can't borrow any more. The real problem is the continuous growth of the government having a say-so every action in my daily life. We have a name for this: totalitarianism. And we seem to grow more accepting of it every day, allowing both political parties to continue to encroach on daily life.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    15. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by lgw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Our science program and space program and, well, every program that produces something - roll all of them together and it's still peanuts. Social Security, Medicare, the precription drug progam, and government pensions will fail - it's not an "if" any more, but a "when". In order to meet the obligations we have made in these areas we would need to collect an additional one million dollars per taxpayer over current tax levels. It's not about whether you're for it or against it on principle, the money just isn't there. We can face reality and find a way to exit gracefully while providing for those who counted on the promises that were made, or we can ignore reality until the whole thing implodes.

      But that wasn't my point at all. My point was the we need less government intrusiveness into daily life. When the government starts fondling children we've simply gone to far.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    16. Re:We should thank Israel, or whoever by Bill+Dog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From a post of yours further above, I don't think we can "just as easily decide that enough is too much" any longer in this country, because maybe about two thirds of us are actually cool with more govt. control of things. I'd say about half of those have been duped, but the other half are the dupers. And about half of the latter group are prolly actively trying to implode the system, considering it too immoral to salvage even for transformation.

      --
      Attention zealots and haters: 00100 00100
  2. The solution by Lord+Lode · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't use Windows for important industrial systems.

    1. Re:The solution by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      More importantly, don't use control software from companies who mandate that passwords are hard-coded and cannot be changed.

      MS: "By the way, the Windows Server 2008 Domain Admin password is 12345. Be sure to write that down!"

      IT Industry: "Lolwut? GTFO."
      Nuclear Fuel Refinement Industry: "The same as my luggage! I like it!"

      --
      Finally had enough. Come see us over at https://soylentnews.org/
    2. Re:The solution by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Simple answer for a not so simple problem.
      Back in the old days people used systems like the PDP-11 and VAX for things like this. Problem was they cost a lot of money and someday the are out of production.
      A good while back people started to use PCs and DOS. That was cheaper but even those are not out of prodcution. Believe it or not there are companies still making PDP-11, VAX, and even DOS/ISA bussed systems today!
      Your company may depend on using a very expensive machine that uses and ISA buss card to interface to a DOS program.
      So to solve that problem they have gone to TCP/IP and network connections. And I bet in 20 years somebody will be looking for a hub that supports 10-Base-T!
      So now we are using COTS hardware and TCP/IP or maybe ican ir even IEE-488 but with now instead of a VAX or PDP-11 we have a PC.
      Okay. so the problem is how do you get data on and off the PC. Do you use a network connection? In some places they do.
      Or do you use USB "That is how Stuxnet spread"
      Or what?
      The way this worm probably spread was by infecting connected machines in the plant and then spreading by USB drive to none connected secure machines.
      While it did use Widows exploits that doesn't mean that it couldn't have used exploits in Linux, AIX, OpenBSD, OS/X or any other OS. I do not think that any OS is exploit free.

      I can think of a few methods that I would use to make any system of this time more secure.
      1. Remove all certs from the controlling machine except for a private one. Then require all software updates be signed with that internal certificate. That would make the stolen certs useless.
      2. A USB firewall system. This would be an unconnected system that isn't running Windows or what ever OS the controller console and or connected systems are running. Say your controller console is running Linux and your connected systems are running Windows. The firewall system could run OpenVMS or OpenBSD. This firewall systems only function would copy files from one drive to the other. It only copy specific types of files. Thinks like symbolic links, soft links, and hard links would never be copied.
      3. Final firewall for the USB could be that you never put the USB drive into the system. Maybe you copy all data files and updates to the controller console via an RS-232 connection using kermit.
      That way you would be sure only the data files you want would be copied.
      Those steps would probably have stopped Stuxnet in its tracks but what about the next one?
      If you use the system I suggest I am sure that somebody smarter than I am would find a way around it.

      --
      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    3. Re:The solution by Simon80 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You say that as if it would be challenging to make an exception to this for these security-critical systems. It's not as if random individuals like me are successfully running something else on their home computers..

    4. Re:The solution by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why?

      I solved this a decade ago when I was into SCADA programming Entire SCADA system is isolated NO connection to outside network, no apps other than the Control software.

      Need to have data go to the administrator for stupid reports? easy solution.

      Rs232. Rs232 TX and Gnd only hooked to the Scada system and set to output all stats in a streaming basis. Supervisors PC hooked to that RS232 to monitor all he likes. Infect his pc with nasty kil lyou all virus and it CAN NOT infect the SCADA system unless it can run a RX wire and Solder. it onto the connector.

      Rs232 at 115bps was fast enough for a water filtration plant that had only 11,000 sensors and control-points. to be real time on the supervisors monitor.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  3. Cut the hardlines by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's no reason why these machines should be connected to the internet. Maybe some of the top-level communication computers to coordinate between plants, but certainly not the local-area computers/machines.

    --
    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    1. Re:Cut the hardlines by keean · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually Stuxnet does not require the machines to be connected to the Internet. In infests the machines used by the designers of these systems, and piggy backs on update PLDs (programmable logic devices) for the production machinery. It does not even rely on the PLD programming machines being connected, as it infests the PLD design files. It infests the PLD design engineers workstations when someone plugs an infected laptop into the private network that all the design computers are on.

    2. Re:Cut the hardlines by keean · · Score: 2, Informative

      I said stuxnet does not _need_ the PLC (PLD) containing machines to be connected. In reality they may be connected, but disconnecting them will not stop Stuxnet infecting them as it gets in when the PLC programming is updated.

      http://www.symantec.com/content/en/us/enterprise/media/security_response/whitepapers/w32_stuxnet_dossier.pdf

      For reference a "Field PG" is a machine used to program the PLCs not the actual target of the infection.

      Quote:
      "Once Stuxnet had infected a computer within the organization it began to spread in search of Field PGs, which are typical Windows computers but used to program PLCs. Since most of these computers are non-networked, Stuxnet would first try to spread to other computers on the LAN through a zero-day vulnerability, a two year old vulnerability, infecting Step 7 projects, and through removable drives. Propagation through a LAN likely served as the first step and propagation through removable drives as a means to cover the last and final hop to a Field PG that is never connected to an untrusted network."

  4. Funny how the answer is always more government by fotbr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you really want the idiots in D.C. telling you how your computer must work? Ask anyone doing IT related stuff under the DoD -- their own security policies cause more outages and problems than anything else. Those policies are from people who supposedly know what's what. Now put clueless politicians in charge.

    You DON'T want this, no matter how much you like government control of your lives.

    1. Re:Funny how the answer is always more government by ewieling · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I do not mind the government telling industry that they must secure their systems. Who else is going to do that? Customers?

      --
      I really shouldn't have used someone else's email address for this account.
    2. Re:Funny how the answer is always more government by AnonymousClown · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Paranoia and its associated billions and billions spent because of it is how the US will be weakened.

      It's been said that one of the (many) reasons the Soviet Union collapsed was because of the spending on military hardware to keep up with the US - their economy just couldn't support it.

      The US has no real reason, at least at this time, to spend billions and billions of hardware BUT security is another matter.

      We're so paranoid, that we're searching each other to make sure that our neighbors aren't a threat - "They could be!" is the cry from the peanut gallery and politically connected businessmen who want to bleed the American taxpayer to line their own pockets.

      Now we have this virus that will attack our NUCLEAR installations. GASP! It's NUCLEAR!!! Everybody panic. We need to do something!!!

      Along will come politicians and businessman with a solution. Hundreds of billions of dollars will be spent on "protecting" us from this "threat".

      Another threat will come. And another. And another. And hundreds of billions of dollars will be spent on each.

      In the meantime, the Fed is "Quantitatively Easing" (*snicker*) our currency. We're running huge deficits.

      We're considered to be Imperialistic by most of the World - OK, all of the World except for ourselves. And one of the best ways to take out a superior force is to have them take themselves out.

      To quote from "Blade Runner" - "We are stupid."

      --
      RIP America

      July 4, 1776 - September 11, 2001

    3. Re:Funny how the answer is always more government by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When the last time the government solved the problem that it told you it was trying to solve?

  5. Legislation? by TD-Linux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would think that the risk of prolonged downtime in a factory that plows through millions of dollars a day would be enough of an incentive for any manager to tighten their security.

    1. Re:Legislation? by Ryanrule · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But you see, that is the fault of some IT guy they can just fire. But a VP would have to submit outrageous expenses for such security, and that would hurt his bonus.

    2. Re:Legislation? by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it isn't. Humans in general and managers in particular are famously bad at correctly estimating the factors of low-probability/high-impact risks. Not always in the same direction - we vastly overestimate the risk of some stuff, and vastly underestimate others. But we're almost always off, and by several orders of magnitude.

      And don't forget the human factor - the risk for the manager is not millions of dollars of company assets, that is an abstract figure at best. The risk to him is the loss of his job, which is lower in both value and likelihood than the event itself. However, spending money on security is a 100% loss of profit which will impact the bottom line, profit, quarterly report, etc. with a very high probability of negative impact on his bonus or raise.

      Unfortunately, almost everything you learn about management or governance acts as if "the company" would make decisions, and not humans. And ignores that humans have a more personal context that also influences their decisions, and routinely overrides even those cases where the optimal decision can be clearly demonstrated.

      --
      Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  6. Stupidity is the problem, training the solution. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As sophisticated as Stuxnet is, it still relies on people doing Very Stupid Things. The solution isn't government intervention to control how everyone designs their networks (They'd be perpetually ten years behind current technology anyway), but to just weather the current panic, learn from it, and remember CHANGE THE DEFAULT PASSWORDS and USE A FIREWALL! The only reason this has been such a problem is that industrial control networks are designed by people with insufficient training in IT security, so often even the most common-sense measures are neglected.

  7. This isn't a 'vulnerability' by Thomas+Charron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't exaggerate the issue. The exploitation of PLC's by Stuxnet is akin to a device on your car vehicles CAN bus issueing commands across the network. Does your cars radio require authentication? Newp. How about your speedometer? Newp.

        What StuxNet *does* emphasize is why it's a very, VERY dumb idea to have a network with PLCs connected to an external network of any kind.

        "OMFG, I can't believe my cancer test came up negative because some hax0r compromised it. What kind of suck software was RUNNING on that device?"

        OOOOOOoorrrrrrr..

        "OMFG, you idiots, WTF would you connect a device which is going to tell me if I'm *DYING* to the MTF internet?!?!"

    --
    -- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
  8. Blowback by srussia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ain't it a biatch.

    --
    Set your phasers on "funky"!
  9. Even liberals agree, this is dumb. by RingDev · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A fair number of people have labeled me a socialist, and even I can see that this is nothing more than a blatent attempt at a power grab by the federal government, and profiteering by Symantec.

    Dean Turner, director of the Global Intelligence Network at Symantec Corp., told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee that the "real-world implications of Stuxnet are beyond any threat we have seen in the past."

    So we're having people who stand to gain more power over their country men making a decision about taking that power, receiving testimony about the threat from the company that stands to profit the most by their decision to take the power. Yeah, that's not a recipe for a horrendous outcome.

    -Rick

    --
    "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
  10. lol the irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its probably American dollars that paid for stuxnet in the first place (by way of "Aid" to certain countries)

    just deserts come to mind

  11. Re:industrial control systems? by should_be_linear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And what if I pay some random employee of nuclear plant $1 million to run .exe from USB key? Then I possibly can create another Chernobyl. In case of Nuclear plants only solution is to stay with pure electrical control systems and not moving it towards electronical programmable (computer) control systems. If there is no SW, there is no possibility of infection.

    --
    839*929
  12. The Interent is not the only WAN by blind+biker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, who TF came to the idea that all WANs are to be extinguished and only the Internet can be used for site-to-site networks? Maybe I'm showing my age, but I don't care: when I was working in IT (before returning to academia), private WANs were the norm, and nobody even dreamt of connecting any part of a company network, no matter how unimportant, to the Internet. Somehow, common sense wasn't snuffed entirely. Oh, and we did have e-mail, shockingly enough, which was nicely routed to the Interent (if the e-mail address was an Internet e-mail address).

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  13. Didn't our government launch that virus? by HangingChad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So the US government launches a cyber attack aimed at Iran's nuclear production and now the government wants to protect us from cyberthreats?

    Where have I heard that before? Oh, yeah! We woulds hate to see bad tings happen to yas.

    Besides taking naked pictures of you at the airport, now the government will be infiltrating your office network to protect you. Boy, I feel so much safer now.

    --
    That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
  14. Re:Idea by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    They also make you morally superior to and smarter than anyone using a Windows machine. It's common knowledge in any coffee shop or arthouse theater.

    --
    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  15. Re:industrial control systems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For the love of god! You cannot create another Chernobyl, it had ZERO core containment. US reactors have 12 feet thick concrete surrounding the core! It *may* melt down, but then it's entombed in tons of concrete, so there isn't much to worry about! Equating a meltdown to Chernobyl is naive.

    As an AC this post will never see the light of day, but I really wish people would stop being so afraid of nuclear power, it's really our only hope to get off fossil fuels any time soon.

  16. Learn A Little About Stuxnet Before Commenting by Fantom42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many of the comments here seem to be unaware of what Stuxnet actually is or how it works. Symantec has a great whitepaper on it that is updated as they learn more. 50 pages of technical detail. Of course you can read the executive summary and at least avoid making the kinds of uniformed comments I'm seeing here.

    http://www.symantec.com/content/en/us/enterprise/media/security_response/whitepapers/w32_stuxnet_dossier.pdf

    Just a Few:

    1. "People are so stupid to connect their industrial control system to the internet!"

    Stuxnet does not require internet access. It delivers its payload in various ways, and in particular, if an infected USB stick is inserted into a susceptible machine, it will find a machine on that network with the Siemens PLC development environment and infect it in such a way to insert hidden malicious code into the PLC.

    2. "Just don't run Windows"

    There is some validity to this idea. But the payload was not delievered to a Windows machine, just via one. How many embedded controller development environments require a Windows machine? Try coding a Xilinx FPGA without a Windows box, or just about anything out there without one.

    3. "We could have seen this coming"

    Most people did see this coming. But they didn't think it was actually plausible to defend against. The Stuxnet worm required a huge amount of resources and detailed knowledge to pull off. Everything from the payload to the infection method. Someone really thought this through. It is a proof of concept of what people generally believed to be only possible in theory.

    The fact that government is getting involved here is a bit worrisome. I hope they at least pay attention to the existing specifications already out there to help mitigate some of these threats. NIST 800-82 is a decent read that is free (final public draft) and there are other pay ones out there as well.

    The reason why I am kindof annoyed about people's ignorance about Stuxnet is because the biggest lesson learned from it is largely being ignored. 1. That "air gap" protection you think you have is not as good as you think it is. 2. The "insider threat" is worth thinking about, even if you trust your insiders. They may not know they are a threat.