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US Embassy Categorizes Beijing Air Quality As 'Crazy Bad'

digitaldc writes "Pollution in Beijing was so bad Friday the US embassy, which has been independently monitoring air quality, ran out of conventional adjectives to describe it, at one point saying it was 'crazy bad.' The embassy later deleted the phrase, saying it was an 'incorrect' description and it would revise the language to use when the air quality index goes above 500, its highest point and a level considered hazardous for all people by US standards. The hazardous haze has forced schools to stop outdoor exercises, and health experts asked residents, especially those with respiratory problems, the elderly and children, to stay indoors."

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  1. Better than "Fucking Bad" I guess by Trip6 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Desperately seeking emphatic adjective...

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    1. Re:Better than "Fucking Bad" I guess by flyingkillerrobots · · Score: 3, Funny

      The air quality is too damn high!

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    2. Re:Better than "Fucking Bad" I guess by ilsaloving · · Score: 4, Funny

      You mean they'd be breathing Plaid?

  2. No kidding. by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I was in Beijing a few years ago, after a while the days there started to feel kind of like the day before you're going to catch a cold.

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  3. Crazy bad.. by ewhenn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Crazy bad, when "embarrassingly polluted" just doesn't do justice.

  4. Yet if the lasse fair economics crowd would say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .. this would be an idea state: no EPA at all, and nothing to work against any company in order to make a profit.

    1. Re:Yet if the lasse fair economics crowd would say by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      .. this would be an idea state: no EPA at all, and nothing to work against any company in order to make a profit.

      Way more accurate to say its the ideal fascist state (what the USA is rapidly moving toward) where all the costs (pollution) are socialized and all the benefits (profits) are privatized. They're just a little further along than we are.

      Remember when the govt and corps merge, suing a corp for pollution is a great way to get executed as an enemy of the state.

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    2. Re:Yet if the lasse fair economics crowd would say by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is an easy fix. Simply do what the US did. Get rid of all your factories and buy everything from overseas.

    3. Re:Yet if the lasse fair economics crowd would say by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Informative

      You both understand that the Clean Air/Clean Water Act made it possible for common citizens to sue over pollution, right? Citation

      I assume that you also realize, that, before the act, you couldn't, right?

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  5. I was at a loss for words by Christoph · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I found it hard to believe or describe when I visited (in 2004). From one block north, the Forbidden City was obscured by smog on a cloudless day. It otherwise felt like you were smoking all the time.

    1. Re:I was at a loss for words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does Altria market there? "Smoke Marlboro. Why the fuck not?"

  6. A spokes person at the embassy was also quoted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A spokes person at the embassy was also quoted as saying, "The dude who said the first statement is all retarded and is a total dick. He always causing drama. Our bad, we cool"

  7. This is why the USA can not compete. by harrytuttle777 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you run away from smog every time it comes around the smog is going to start thinking we are weak. Then we are going to have to listen to the smog whenever it tell us to do something. We need to stand up to the smog and show it that we are not just a bunch of overly socialized western pansies. I demand that we give all our kids smog masks! The smog masks will supply a steady stream of high quality smog to school children, who will naturally become smog tolerant. The smog tolerant children will go on to create a new world free untethered from the requirements of clean air and pollution control devices. These new smog tolerant children will then be able to compete against the Chinese who are fed a steady diet of smog since birth.

    -If you don't want to turn into a frog, you better eat some smog.
    -Elliot Weise

  8. When will China have their 60's? by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When will the youth of China decide they've had enough of conformity and respect for authority? China has raised it standard of living in recent decades but they still suffer from a severe lack of basic freedoms, corruption, and choking pollution. The civil rights movement and Vietnam triggered the events of the 60's in the USA. When will the same happen in China?

    1. Re:When will China have their 60's? by harrytuttle777 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yea! The 60's, lawyers, and Elvis Presley pretty much destroyed our economy. As a USian, and can emphatically say I want China to have the same 'benefits' we have. Anything can get the Chinese to start thinking individualistically and to stop worrying about the greater good of the society is the right way to go. Of coarse I would prefer that USians start following the Chinese example, and value education / hard work, but if I can't have that I think the next best think is to export MTV to China.

      -We know what we ought to do, but do it naught
      -Jerry Springer

    2. Re:When will China have their 60's? by hahn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When will the youth of China decide they've had enough of conformity and respect for authority? China has raised it standard of living in recent decades but they still suffer from a severe lack of basic freedoms, corruption, and choking pollution. The civil rights movement and Vietnam triggered the events of the 60's in the USA. When will the same happen in China?

      Basic freedoms have improved, corruption has been far less than I've seen in the US (their former food and drug regulator was found to be taking bribes from pharmaceutical companies, and subsequently executed), and the choking pollution has only been a recent occurrence because of the rapid growth.

      The pollution is bad right now, but I think China is in a position to turn that around really quickly. Unlike in the US, they don't have lobbyists from companies creating the pollution who will oppose any and all environmental laws. Of course they don't want pollution, but currently the government is in a tough position of making choices between pollution and slowing down the growth of the country. However, one might note that their pace of growth in renewable energy is torrid. They have been putting a lot of money into wind and solar tech. Plus, they are already way ahead of the game in creating a practical 100% electric car. To me, it seems like sometime in the next 10 years, they will have the ability to switch over, nearly overnight, to clean energy solutions. Without a bunch of opposing interest groups like we have in the U.S., it'll literally be like flipping a switch.

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    3. Re:When will China have their 60's? by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 4, Informative

      Basic freedoms have improved, corruption has been far less than I've seen in the US (their former food and drug regulator was found to be taking bribes from pharmaceutical companies, and subsequently executed), and the choking pollution has only been a recent occurrence because of the rapid growth.

      You're insane. Corruption in China is rife. The reason there are pollution problems is because the companies don't adhere to the law and instead bribe their way out. This goes to safety issues too. Yes, there are laws to prevent unsafe conditions like buildings flopping over or towering infernos but they cannot be enforced either. And it goes all the way to the bottom, to worker safety, even work hours. Look at the problems in factories. There are laws to prevent sweatshop conditions, but they aren't enforced because the factory owners can work outside the law if they have the right connections.

      China wants to clean up the problems but as long as the government cannot enforce the laws because of corruption at lower levels, the problems will still be around.

      See China Blue.

      http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/chinablue/

      The working conditions are tragic and even illegal. But since the owner of the factory is an ex-police chief, there is no action taken against him.

      I have no idea how you can say there is less corruption in China than in the US. Just ask Lee Kuan Yew (creator of modern Singapore), he says that the American system cannot be used the same in developing Asian countries because the conditions are different and corruption becomes a problem.

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  9. Thankfully by scubamage · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean really, this is proof that a truly free market benefits everyone. I mean if people can't go outside, they can't commit crimes OR hurt the children!

  10. A Prime Example of Externalized Costs. by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The bad air quality is a prime example of an externalized cost.

    Many people claim the reason for offshoring is wages, but that's only part of it...

    Much of the savings comes from the ability to operate a factory in China under less stringent rules - less labor protections, less safety, less pollution controls, etc.

    Eventually China will crack down on polluters (they already do on an ad hoc basis, such as briefly during the 2008 Olympics) improving air quality, but also increasing production costs, which will then push many companies to offshore to the next cheaper place where such costs can again be externalized.

    Ron

    p.s. why is the comment entry window so narrow? More breakage - Slashdot was more usable in 1998 than it is now, but hey I guess this is progress... bah!

    1. Re:A Prime Example of Externalized Costs. by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 4, Informative

      p.s. why is the comment entry window so narrow? More breakage - Slashdot was more usable in 1998 than it is now, but hey I guess this is progress... bah!

      thats because its in idle view
      change the url from idle.slashdot.org/...
      to
      ile.slashdot.org/...
      and it will be fine?(u cn put anything instead of ile)

  11. You have us confused... by Garrett+Fox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, you have libertarians and conservatives confused with anarchists. That's typical talk from the socialist/communist faction: "When you guys talk about enforcing the Constitution that means you guys don't want any government at all!"

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    1. Re:You have us confused... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Conservatives (well, those 2% of conservatives that aren't religious nuts, or progressives that want to move us in their socially conservative manner) want the Constitution applied. Libertarians want to ignore the Constitution like everyone else.

      One place where "conservatives" and "libertarians" agree is that the "free market" is better suited to protecting the environment than the government, just as the "free market" is better suited to making sure that everyone has health care or that the "free market" is best suited to making sure crooked securities traders don't cheat old people out of their retirement savings. All this despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It's part of their shared insanity.

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  12. You're off by orders of magnitude by Cyberblah · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I visited Beijing during the summer six years ago, the Imperial Vault and the Hall of Prayers at the Temple of Heaven weren't visible from each other. According to this site, they're only about 360 meters apart. Smog limited the visibility at ground level to less than a quarter of a mile, and it has gotten worse since then.

  13. Re:Atlanta by timeOday · · Score: 5, Informative

    Last year the Air Quality Index in Atlanta reached the level of "Unhealthy For Sensitive Groups" (100-150) on 16 days, and never reached the next level, "Unhealthy" (150-200). Beijing's score - over 500 - sounds very bad indeed.

  14. Top 2 emitters of GHG as of 2006 per your source by Quila · · Score: 3, Informative

    Percent of global emissions:

    China: 17%
    US 16%

    You are wrong.

    The US has been restricting emissions since then, while China has been building TWO COAL POWER PLANTS PER WEEK since then.

    We "snubbed Kyoto" because we knew it wouldn't do any good if countries like China got a complete pass and Russia was baselined at its ultra-polluting communist era. All Kyoto was designed to do was siphon money from the US and EU to other countries.

  15. Re:China isn't subject to Kyoto restrictions by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do realize that the sort of pollutants the article discusses have little or nothing to do with GHG emissions, right?

    People are really stupid. CO2 may cause the planet to warm up, but it certainly won't kill millions by way of lung cancer and other respiratory aliments.

    The US (and the west in general) has done an admirable job of eliminating or reducing air borne pollutants. The US is currently debating the merits of managing non-pollutant emissions, such as CO2, the byproduct of "clean coal", natural gas, and other complete oxidization products.

    Downplaying the improvements in Western air quality is extremely dangerous, and one only has to tour some of the various polluted hell-holes in the East to truly understand how important clean air is.

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  16. Re:The only insanity is seeking more sickness by Froboz23 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Shared insanity is an excellent term for the brief turn away from Conservatism (NOT Republicans) that the country underwent, and is now correcting."

    Correcting indeed. With the Republicans now controlling the House, they get to appoint a new chair to the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee. The front-runners for the position are:

    Joe Barton - He's the guy who apologized to BP for their cruel treatment by the US Federal Government. He also received more campaign contributions from the oil industry than any other member of the House, which makes him an expert on energy policy.

    John Shimkus - He quoted the book of Genesis in House testimony as evidence that God promised He would never let bad things happen to the Earth, and He should be entrusted to protect the environment.

    Nope, no insanity there.

    Here's details about it, from a respected news source:

    http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/366030/november-17-2010/chair-apparent

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