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SpaceX Gets First Private FAA Space Reentry License

coondoggie sends in a Network World story that begins "Space Exploration Technologies (Space X) got the first-ever Federal Aviation Administration license allowing the reentry to Earth of a privately developed spacecraft. The license was needed because the Space X Dragon space capsule is scheduled to launch atop Space X's Falcon 9 rocket on Dec. 7 and return to earth. The Launch of the rocket had already been approved by the FAA. The FAA Office of Commercial Space Transportation noted that it has licensed over 200 successful launches."

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  1. What? by MrOctogon · · Score: 5, Funny

    You need a license to reenter earth? I can imagine needing a license to create the rockets and stuff to get up there in the first place, but once you're up there won't gravity bring you down? Isn't that the law??

    1. Re:What? by khallow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Heh, it also turns out that the US is directly liable for anything put up there by US businesses. And SpaceX will have to pass through the lower atmosphere (which is why the FAA reentry license is required).

    2. Re:What? by Chairboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's part of an effort to limit illegal aliens.

    3. Re:What? by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I realize you're trying to make a joke, but having met many of the people in the FAA Office of Commercial Space, and as someone who cares about seeing an economically sustainable space system develop, I'm damn glad those people are there.

      While it may not be as flashy as the guys actually building the capsule that will re-enter, creating a solid legal framework for licensing and regulating commercial launches and re-entries is absolutely critical for getting anything thats not a pork-filled government project into space. Otherwise the entire industry is likely to shut down after the first accident.

      Regulation isn't necessarily bad, and the people involved at the FAA understand that this is a nascent industry, and as such must be given a lot of room to grow and adapt in the marketplace. These are people who want to see the industry thrive, not simply petty fief-building bureaucratic charicatures.

    4. Re:What? by camperdave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it has the acceleration capacity required to achieve orbit and travel across the interstellar void it should have enough acceleration to outrun a SAM.

      Not even close. It's a case of marathon vs sprint. A rocket that can accelerate at 3 or 4G for 8 minutes can get into orbit. However, it cannot outrun a SAM that accelerates at 10-15G.

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  2. We need something better by dmomo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Like a green card system. If you outlaw "landing on Earth", only outlaws will land on Earth. That is very scary. I recommend a legal path to citizenship for our visitors.

  3. Re:A license? by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So if they didn't get this license, does that mean it would never return to Earth?

    No, it means it wouldn't leave the launch pad.

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that any governmental organization can tell us how and when we can visit the stars.

    Your government doesn't want to start an international incident when your flight plan knocks another government's communication satellite out of orbit.

  4. Re:A license? by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your government doesn't want to start an international incident when your flight plan knocks another government's communication satellite out of orbit.

    Yeah, except... nobody owns space by international treaty anyway. So if a satellite malfunctions (or a space ship collides with one), legally it's like international waters.

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  5. I already have one by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have a class 2 (three axle) re-entry license I got at the DMV. Only cost $20 and the exam was waived since I don't have a spacecraft yet. It works like a charm at bars to pick up skanky chicks.

  6. Don' t you just hate it... by formfeed · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... when you ask for reentry and they just keep telling you. "Please stay in low orbit. We will contact you again"

  7. Re:A license? by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes and if you destroy someones ship in international waters it is also covered by treaty and international law just like space...
    But this rocket is going to transit US air space to get into orbit, it is also owned by a US company, it is launching from the US, it is using the US eastern test range, it is flying under a US government contract, and I believe will land in US. The US has the right and frankly the obligation to certify that this flight will not be an epic mess up.
    So yea the FAA is going to deal with this.

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  8. It's needed. by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bear in mind that a spacecraft launch and an ICBM launch look very similar, and a re-entry looks like an incoming missile. It's best if everybody knows where and when to expect such events, so that various military forces don't overreact. Both the normal scenarios and the abort plans need to be reviewed.

    1. Re:It's needed. by roothog · · Score: 2, Funny

      And it keeps CBS News from embarrassing themselves with video clips of airplane contrails.

    2. Re:It's needed. by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Funny

      North Korea just registered the other 199 Reentry licenses.

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  9. Presumably only over USA? correction? by fantomas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Article summary states: "allowing the reentry to Earth of a privately developed spacecraft".

    Presumably the article summary should have read "allowing the reentry to the USA's airspace of a privately developed spacecraft"?

    I am guessing the FAA's jurisdiction only extends over USA territories rather than making a claim for global control over who lands on Earth? I am assuming the Russians and Chinese don't have to notify the FAA whenever they wish to land a spacecraft, nor would they expect a private craft launched and landed in their airspace to ask the FAA for permission?

  10. Re:A license? by thpr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yeah, except... nobody owns space by international treaty anyway. So if a satellite malfunctions (or a space ship collides with one), legally it's like international waters.

    Articles VI and VII of The Treaty disagree.

    Which - for reference - is different from the law of the sea.

  11. Re:licensing? by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The biggest risk to a company like SpaceX or Sierra Nevada/SpaceDev is not having to get licenses, its being FUD'd to death by the likes of ATK, Marshall Spaceflight Center, and their personal attack senators, Hatch and Shelby.

    I wouldn't call SpaceX a 'big business,' at least not in their field. Their established competitor for manned re-entry vehicles is NASA. Having a set procedure to obtain clearance for re-entry makes it so that instead of fuzzy measures of 'experience' a new company can simply say "Here is our license." In this case, with something dangerous, difficult, and with potential military ramifications, having a defined procedure increases the ability of new companies to compete by decreasing their liability.

    And comparing the nascent commercial space industry with the nascent aviation industry is not the best analogy -- first and foremost, commercial aviation never had to step out of the shadows and defend itself from established government agencies and their large commercial supporters. It also didn't risk accidentally looking like a nuclear strike.

    Too much regulation can stifle an industry, this is certainly true, but that doesn't mean the correct answer is to have none instead.

  12. Re:How does it work for regular ships? by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, you probably would require several different licenses. For a sailing vessel you are going to need a master's license that allows you to operate the sailboat in coastal and international waters. This might not apply to a 10-foot sailboat, but I don't think you are going to sail one of those around South America.

    You may need several other licenses, including a license that covers the toilet on board because without that you would be polluting without a license. Polluting with a license is fine, but you gotta have that license.

    Got a radio? You will need a license for that.

    You can probably think of several more things that are going to need a license as well. Anyone that thinks there is an insufficent amount of regulation in the US is just plain nuts.