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Chicago Using Coyotes To Fight Rodents

Brad Block, a supervisor for the Chicago Commission on Animal Care and Control says a coyote recently spotted downtown is part of a program designed to monitor the rodent population. "The animal has the run of the Loop to help deal with rats and mice," He said no one has called today to complain. “He’s not a threat. He’s not going to pick up your children,” Block said. “His job is to deal with all of the nuisance problems, like mice, rats and rabbits.”

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  1. Heh... by orphiuchus · · Score: 4, Funny

    I read this and thought they were paying Mexican smugglers to fight rodents for them. Which, ironically, is what we actually do here in AZ.

  2. Damn owls by MrQuacker · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally, the city is taking the problem of Owls seriously.

  3. Advanced notice? by gandhi_2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wouldn't it be nice to tell the public BEFORE you let the coyotes run wild?

    Oh, and by the way, we had to release some tigers to deal with the bugroeoning coyote population....

    1. Re:Advanced notice? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wouldn't it be nice to tell the public BEFORE you let the coyotes run wild?

      Are you insinuating that Chicago, is in the wild?

      Most folks these days are either depressed or unemployed. Having a coyote bite your leg off, as opposed to a pit bull, is a welcome change from the boring daily grind.

      Most folks would probably not even realize that it was a coyote.

      "I dunno. It kinda sorta looked like a dog. But it did bite me!"

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    2. Re:Advanced notice? by joebagodonuts · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Let" them? Part of being wild means they don't always follow instructions.

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    3. Re:Advanced notice? by Sulphur · · Score: 2, Funny

      Once I put the trash out late at night. A wild looking dog challenged me for the can.

      I thought "He doesn't know", and marked my territory with apple cider vinegar in a spray bottle. He left.

    4. Re:Advanced notice? by Red_Chaos1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except the coyotes we had that actually thought it okay at some to jump our fence to our back yard and try to get our smaller dogs instead of eating out of the trash cans etc.

      Coyotes are not harmless at all. They run from you. They don't run from your pets. Your pets are food to them.

    5. Re:Advanced notice? by ffreeloader · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, that's what you get for owning rat-dogs like chihuahuas, toy poodles, etc.... They are so small the coyotes get confused as to which species those little yappers belong to and think they're breakfast, lunch, or dinner. I can't say as I blame them, and I own a chihuahua/papillion cross. He would most definitely look like a snack to a predator such as a coyote and it's my responsibility to make sure a coyote doesn't get him, and I live on the outskirts of a small town where deer, coyotes, hawks, owls, skunks, etc... make common appearances as we are close to a game trail heading to a nearby river.

      Coyotes hunt, not rob garbage cans if there is any of their natural food/prey available. It's born and bred into them. I'd much, much rather have a few coyotes around than be overrun by something like Norway or pack rats. Those buggers can kill your little dogs too, besides destroying your property and spreading disease.

      Coyotes are clean, and naturally shy of human beings. They are as productive/helpful as owls, hawks, and many insects such as the preying mantis. There's a reason they are a part of the natural ecosystem.

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  4. This is great by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is actually great. I sincerely wish Pennsylvania would culture a few nice wolf populations to control the deer. I'm tired of dodging them with my car.

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    1. Re:This is great by dirty_ghost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      based on mass, yes.

    2. Re:This is great by sadness203 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Dodging them isn't the point. If a deer leap in front of the car and the driver didn't have time to steer or break, well tough luck. Good chance the car is going to be a total wreak, and the driver's dead or gravely injured.

      A (well-feed) wolf doesn't have the habit of starring into coming lights, and in the case the driver hit it, well, it's going to be a bit less spectacular. A deer can weight up to 200kg, a wolf weight barely more than 60kg. Deers have an habit of smashing the windshield, wolves mostly hit the bumper.

    3. Re:This is great by Surt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wolves aren't cute and cuddly, so you don't have to dodge, you can hit them head on guilt-free.

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    4. Re:This is great by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're talking to someone who has hit a deer at 50+ miles per hour. (I don't know what that works out to in KPH, sorry.)

      Dunno about kilograms but the local DOT estimated the deer (a doe) weighed 160 pounds or more.

      We were ok, and it didn't even break the windshield. It did do over $3000 (US) damage to the truck.

      The secret to surviving a deer is to drive a truck of 1/2 ton or heavier, with the optional 4X4 package that jacks the truck up a few inches so the deer doesn't go over the hood.

      The problem I see with wolves is, if it *does* go over the hood, then you have a really pissed off wolf in the car with you...

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    5. Re:This is great by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem I see with wolves is, if it *does* go over the hood, then you have a really pissed off wolf in the car with you...

      At 50+ MPH? I don't think so. Anyway, deer have a much higher center of mass than a wolf, (most of the weight is above the skinny legs) which is why they fly over the hood, and are somewhat more likely to survive for a time. Wolves are more skiddish about noises (cars) and less likely to be seen near traffic anyway, and become radiator food if you hit them in the average Buick. Keep in mind that in the wild, wolves are greatly outnumbered by deer, as it takes more than one deer a year to feed them, so a single wolf can "control" a few dozen deer per year. Adding a few wolves means less total animals in a given area, and a lower need to wander across traffic.

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    6. Re:This is great by adolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Feh.

      I hit a good-sized doe at about 55MPH in a 1996 Pontiac Firebird with slightly lowered suspension. A car like that is about as low at the front end as anything that's not exotic.

      It ruined the car (monetarily, at least, it was totaled) but everyone inside was unharmed and the windshield was intact.

      It could've been worse, obviously. It also could've been better. (The same could be said of your own experience.)

      *shrug*

      I'd like to suggest that good brakes and a controllable vehicle go a lot further toward avoiding and minimizing accidents than simply throwing mass and height at the problem.

  5. Say goodbye to the cats by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One neighbor of mine watched a coyote carry off her miniature dog, and when coyotes start being sighted, the Missing Cat posters start appearing.

    1. Re:Say goodbye to the cats by jc42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      In New York City, we have a bad pigeon problem ... A falconer convinced the Bryant Park Restoration Corporation to let him try a hawk. ... It seemed to work for a while. Then the hawk attacked some lady's chihuahua, and they discontinued the experiment.

      Well, jeez; he used a Harris hawk. He should have used a peregrine falcon. They pretty much restrict themselves to killing and eating smaller birds. They were almost extinct in North America 30 years ago, but people started introducing them to cities, and now they've recovered and are busy eating pigeons, grackles, starlings, and lots of sparrows as light snacks, in cities all over the continent.

      Of course, they do have some limitations. They don't go after mice or rats; for that it's better to use an animal that lives on the ground and can poke around in out-of-the-way corners. Also, peregrines are highly territorial during nesting season (spring, summer), and won't tolerate a peregrine other than their mate within a mile or so of the nest. The pigeon population in a square mile of most cities is too high for a pair of peregrines to clean out. But this territoriality is common for most other kinds of hawks, too, so as photogenic as they are, hawks are only a partial solution to a pigeon (or starling or sparrow) surplus.

      As others have suggested, our best rodent control is probably our domestic cats, with a little help from our dogs. We just have to stop treating them as pampered pets, and put them back to work doing the job that we domesticated them for. They're carnivores whose wild relatives live mostly by eating rodents, and they're well-adapted to living with humans.

      It might be interesting to try introducing meerkats in a few areas. They're incredibly cute, and they also like to eat rodents. They also like to make burrows, and could probably invade a lot of the rodents' turfs. There are some other mongooses (mongeese?) that also have potential for urban rodent control.

      There's also the area in southern India where people keep household cobras for rodent control ...

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    2. Re:Say goodbye to the cats by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Informative

      It might be interesting to try introducing meerkats in a few areas. They're incredibly cute, and they also like to eat rodents. They also like to make burrows, and could probably invade a lot of the rodents' turfs. There are some other mongooses (mongeese?) that also have potential for urban rodent control.

      Not a good idea. Mongooses are diurnal, rats are nocturnal. It's already been tried in Hawaii and all it did was kill off a lot bird species because the mongooses ate their eggs instead of eating the rats.

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  6. The Cook County, Illinois, Coyote Project by He+who+knows · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://urbancoyoteresearch.com/Coyote_Project.htm seems like a much more likely reason than pest controll

  7. Me suspects many dead cats by intellitech · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Should be interesting to see how many outdoor, domesticated cats get shredded by these guys.

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    1. Re:Me suspects many dead cats by EllisDees · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Keep your cat inside and it won't be a problem.

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    2. Re:Me suspects many dead cats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who the hell has an outdoor cat in the loop??

  8. If only there were some by Grapplebeam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    sort of small, furry creature, say one with a long furry tail, specifically bred for this purpose over the past several hundred years that people wouldn't mind seeing around... Maybe one that enjoys drinking milk and- ah hell, screw the sarcasm. Why didn't they just use cats??

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  9. Well... by mark-t · · Score: 3, Funny

    We know that coyotes suck at catching roadrunners (or at least one of them does), and roadrunners aren't much bigger than some rodents. Anyone wanna take odds on the rats and mice winning this round as well?

  10. Mongoose by samullin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reminds me of introducing mongoose to the Hawaiian islands to eat the rats - now there are two invader species there. Coyotes may not be as much of an invader species in Chicago as mongoose are in Hawaii, but we as a species have a pretty poor track record of attempted ecological control.

    1. Re:Mongoose by Taibhsear · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, coyotes are native to the midwest. They aren't an invader species.

    2. Re:Mongoose by shadowofwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are they native to an urban area like Chicago?

      Yes, its the streets and buildings that are invasive.

  11. Finally... by webbiedave · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... a sensible solution to weed out corrupt Chicago politicians!

    1. Re:Finally... by shadowbearer · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... a sensible solution to weed out corrupt Chicago politicians!

        Coyotes... with rocket launchers mounted on their backs.

        I'd vote for that.

      SB

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  12. Stocks Up Doc ! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We know that coyotes suck at catching roadrunners ..."

    I think it is pretty obvious who this will benefit: Anyone smart enough to invest in ACME before it gets acquired by Haliburton.

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    1. Re:Stocks Up Doc ! by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Based on production functionality, I assumed they were already owned by Haliburton.

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  13. Obligatory Simpsons quote: by skirmish666 · · Score: 2, Funny

    .... No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

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  14. Obvious Simpsons quote by yariv · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
    Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
    Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
    Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
    Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
    Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

  15. Making money - Terry Pratchett by RenHoek · · Score: 2, Funny

    'Look, I can explain,' he said.
              Lord Vetinari lifted an eyebrow with the care of one who, having found
    a piece of caterpillar in his salad, raises the rest of the lettuce.
              'Pray do,' he said, leaning back.
              'We got a bit carried away,' said Moist. 'We were a bit too creative in
    our thinking. We encouraged mongooses to breed in the posting boxes to keep
    down the snakes...'
              Lord Vetinari said nothing.
              'Er... which, admittedly, we introduced into the posting boxes to
    reduce the numbers of toads...'
              Lord Vetinari repeated himself.
              'Er... which, it's true, staff put in the posting boxes to keep down
    the snails...'
              Lord Vetinari remained unvocal.
              'Er... These, I must in fairness point out, got into the boxes of their
    own accord, in order to eat the glue on the stamps,' said Moist, aware that
    he was beginning to burble.
              'Well, at least you were saved the trouble of having to introduce them
    yourselves,' said Lord Vetinari cheerfully. 'As you indicate, this may well
    have been a case where chilly logic should have been replaced by the common
    sense of, perhaps, the average chicken. But that is not the reason I asked
    you to come here today.'
              'If it's about the cabbage-flavoured stamp glue -- ' Moist began.
              Vetinari waved a hand. 'An amusing incident,' he said, 'and I believe
    nobody actually died.'

  16. Before the 'yote haters/cat lovers get started... by MushingBits · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Coyotes are endemic to most of the North American continent. They were here before long before there was a 'Public' to get hysterical about them. I would be willing to bet that animal control in nearly every major city in the lower 48 can tell you stories about coyotes making a living in urban areas- this is NOTHING NEW, but is probably noticed more frequently as fewer people in outlying areas are shooting them on sight these days.

    Coyotes frequent my rural property, although I only find out about it when I find their tracks or scat or- more rarely- hear a nocturnal sing-along happening close by. Over the years I've picked apart quite bit of coyote poop with a stick, and as the article suggests there are a lot of obvious rodent bones usually included with a smattering of deer hair (I suspect they go back to road/winter/cougar kill and chew on the hide, which takes months to break down). Sometimes it's obvious they've been feasting on ripe native berries. If I happen to see one while hiking, mountain biking, driving, etc. it's usually just a flash and they're already gone, but a couple times I've been able to spot one out on a hay field obviously pouncing on mice. It's a rare treat to find "God's Dog" out and about doing it's thing, as under normal circumstances they are highly motivated to keep human interactions both infrequent and distant.

    Feral cats on the other hand are NOT endemic to the North American ecosystem, and there is evidence to suggest that bird populations have been hit very hard by them. Even discounting that aspect, I can't even wrap my head around why any thoughtful person would advocate for exterminating a relatively harmless native scavenger-predator and replacing it with a non-native, domesticated scavenger-predator. This is just asking for unintended ecological consequences.

  17. Re:In Chicago by Darth_brooks · · Score: 2, Funny

    No it couldn't. Don't be daft.

    It might be able to vote several hundred times in multiple districts & precincts, but unless the Coyote is somehow related to a member of the Daley family (and I'm sure they fall under either the rodent or slimy lizard genus) it would never get elected.

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  18. I'm in Chicago - saw a coyote last week. So what? by head_dunce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I live in Chicago, the city - not a suburb, around O'Hare. I saw a coyote on my way home from work last week. It was about 5:30 in the afternoon, the coyote was watching rush hour traffic roll by standing on the side of the road. I've seen them around here my whole life, I'm 32. The coyotes have been around here far longer than us humans have, it's native here - not like introducing some weird outside creature. They aren't that big, smaller than the pitbulls around here, I don't see what the big deal is?

  19. This coyote survived being hit by a car at 75 MPH by triclipse · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This coyote survived being hit by a car at 75 MPH:

    http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/luckycoyote.asp

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  20. It's all fun and games... by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...until rocket-powered anvils and explosive-loaded pianos start hitting buildings as a collateral damage of coyotes fighting the vermin.

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  21. Coyotes are dangerous by indytx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    “He’s not a threat. He’s not going to pick up your children,” Block said.

    What an idiot. Coyotes kill pets, and evidence from the Carolinas indicates they are now affecting deer populations by decimating the survival rates of fawns. Coyotes are dangerous, and they attack humans. There were 142 attacks on humans between 1960 and 2006. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coyotes-suburban-attacks

    Coyotes have spread naturally to all lower 48 states because of declines in wolf populations. Another interesting tidbit is that the coyote is the only predator in North America whose recorded population has NEVER decreased, only increased. Why someone would give such an adaptable predator a leg up when it is doing fine is completely beyond me.

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