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Apple's Game Center Shares Your Real Name

dotarray writes "Apple's Game Center has just made itself a few enemies through a simple change to their Terms of Service. Now, whenever you send a friend invitation, your real name will be attached as well as your Apple ID." Apparently they didn't learn from the poor reaction to Blizzard's similar idea.

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  1. First Impression by Haedrian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First thought which came to my mind:

    1. Apple has a game center?
    2. This will have 0 negative reaction whatsoever. This is Apple people. If apple forced you to sign your name in blood to buy an iPhone, you would.

    1. Re:First Impression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wait, you didn't?

    2. Re:First Impression by spagetti_code · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you actually *read* the iPhone contract? I'm surprised they didn't require blood.

      When I got my iPhone, I asked to read the contract.
      The store workers had never had anyone ask, so they didn't know where it was.
      Took them a long time to find a copy.
      It was pretty nasty, but from memory (they wouldn't let me keep their
      only copy now that they knew where it was) the worst section was something of the form:

      "if we suspect you may have altered your phone, you agree to let us cancel
      your phone service, and you will keep paying out the rest of your term."

      Suspicion (not proof, just if they felt like it) was enough to give them the right
      to cancel my phone service (and reclaim the phone phone IIRC) and I had to
      keep paying. the monthly fee. And there was no
      appeal or ability to protest your innocence.

    3. Re:First Impression by houghi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This would be great in Belgium. If you were not allowed to take (a copy of) the contract with you it would pretty much mean you do not have a contract, regardless of wehther you signed some other paper where it says that you read it.

      Here you would need to write at least "written and approved" and sign. Also the other party (sales rep) would need to sign and each of you must have a copy.

      In reality it would mean that the customers would not have a contract.

      And even then cancellation would mean then end of payment, regardless of what the contract says as that will be against the law (and could make part or whole of the contract void).

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    4. Re:First Impression by gshegosh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And you've bought the phone anyway. What do you think is going to stop them from such practices? Government? Or declining sales?

    5. Re:First Impression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well I opted for 5 minutes in the woodshed with the devil.

    6. Re:First Impression by dzfoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      OMG! you met Steve Jobs?

            -dZ.

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    7. Re:First Impression by khchung · · Score: 2, Informative

      Welcome to the broken America mobile market. In places where the market actually has competition, eg, Asia , we can buy phones without contract and then use whichever carrier we like, and switch carrier whenever we like. If you enter into a contact with the carrier, you can do so without telling them what's model is your phone (none of their business anyway), and your can change/jb your phone without affecting the contract.

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    8. Re:First Impression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, but not face-to-face.

    9. Re:First Impression by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My suspiciion is that this would be in the US?

      In the UK such a term would fall foul of UCTA as well as general Sales of Goods, and would be unenforceable.

    10. Re:First Impression by DJRumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Amazing. I love how the Anti-Apple folks on Slashdot are so quick to jump on the bandwagon based on hearsay without the slightest bit of proof offered except for word of mouth.

      Here is the Oh So Elusive customer agreement. it's offered with every phone. I seriously doubt the AT&T store couldn't give you a copy. It's freely available on the web.

      http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/index.jsp?q_termsKey=wirelessCustomerAgreement&q_termsName=Wireless+Customer+Agreement&print=true#whatIsTheTermOfMyService

      FYI, jailbreaking is legal, so it doesn't meet the definition of 'unlawful' in the contract. In addition, this won't satisfy your anti-Apple craving because the contract is with AT&T, not Apple.

      if we have reasonable cause to believe that your Equipment is being used for an unlawful purpose or in a way that (i) is harmful to, interferes with, or may adversely affect our Services or the network of any other provider, (ii) interferes with the use or enjoyment of Services received by others, (iii) infringes intellectual property rights, (iv) results in the publication of threatening or offensive material, or (v) constitutes spam or other abusive messaging or calling, a security risk, or a violation of privacy,

      Of course what you do with that phone after it's jailbroken is up to you. You might also try to remember the fact that every cell provider has similar verbiage in regards to unauthorized tethering, IP Rights, etc. If you opt to break the contract after signing it, then that is your responsibility, not theirs.

    11. Re:First Impression by intheshelter · · Score: 2

      Damn you and your facts!! This is Slashdot. Where people attempt to look cool by putting down Apple and saying that Apple products are only for people who want to look cool!

    12. Re:First Impression by Score+Whore · · Score: 2

      The cactus may not be a deal-breaker, what kind of cactus?

  2. Spartacus! by Random+Data · · Score: 4, Funny

    As far as Apple is aware, I'm Steve Jobs.

    1. Re:Spartacus! by martin-boundary · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry, the Apple billing system knows you're not the real Steve Jobs, he's already registered under the name God...

  3. Re:Blizzard RealID does the same by Montezumaa · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can add people without sharing your real name in either the World of Warcraft, or through the Battle.net service for Starcraft 2(SC2) and other games. You can choose you share your real name with others, when adding them as a friend, or you can choose not to.

  4. If it's a friend... by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Chances are they know your real name.

    Blizzard users objected to needing to use their names on the forums.

  5. not quite like Blizzard by Achoi77 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I figured Apple's intention is to thwart spammers; if you were able to recognize the real name of your buddy you were more likely accept the invitation rather than someone with a username like "THISISNOTVIAGRASPAM." Playing the whole social angle.

    What Blizzard was intending was different. They wanted to put paper trail on all users on a publicly viewable form, in the interest of minimizing trolls and thus improving the quality of posts on their forums - to 'shame' the trolls from posting mindless drivel. Yeah, that didn't work out too well.

    1. Re:not quite like Blizzard by Haedrian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since the game center works on their iProducts only, any spammer who is going to buy a ton of those in order to spam other players deserves a medal for stupidity.

      I'm pretty sure you can easily lock the phone of a spammer (or at least stop him making accounts) without needing to spread names around.

  6. This is serious by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is serious. I mean everyone knows that using the Apple game centre is tantamount to an admission of being gay.

  7. Apple doesn't "get" Social Media by Renderer+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple is great at many things. They're just excellent in their core competencies. No debate about it.

    But they absolutely suck at social media on a grand scale. Hard to believe how tone-deaf they are when it comes to stuff like Ping and Gamecenter. Does it come from the leadership? Maybe. The company is run by old guys in their 40's and up. Maybe they just don't get it.

    Perhaps they can hire back Guy Kawasaki to spearhead their social media wing. He saved Apple's bacon once. Perhaps he'll do it again if they asked him nicely.

    1. Re:Apple doesn't "get" Social Media by dzfoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you do not understand Apple's approach to "social media". There is a large part of the population who is not interested in the accretion of unknown and anonymous "friends", and thus shy away from vastly over-abused services like Facebook. Apple is attempting to fill that gap by offering a "social media" experience that is truly social, and revolves around people's real friends and family.

      Their intention was never to compete with Facebook or the like, but to offer their users a way to participate in music sharing and games with their friends without having to go out into the wilderness.

                -dZ.

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    2. Re:Apple doesn't "get" Social Media by stewbacca · · Score: 2

      Hey, hey...easy with the "40 and up" zingers! I'll be 41 in a couple of weeks and you are right. I really don't get it (social media). I do have a facebook account that I use to post random musing and pics of my children, but other than that, we "old" guys are mostly too busy with real life.

  8. Not blood ... livers! by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm surprised they didn't require blood.

    Apple needs livers! Soylent iPhones are made of human livers!

    I finally bought my girlfriend an iPhone 4, because I could buy it officially unlocked. It did annoy me that I had to install iTunes to get it activated, though.

    On the positive side it is a very impressive chunk of technology, and it is fun to play with. Both of us are left handed, and we have not experienced any problems with dropped calls, which are apparently more common with left handers.

    Although I am not an Apple fanboy, I can understand how the Apple Inquisition's three main weapons, are: fear, surprise and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Jobs . . . their *four*...no... *Amongst* their weapons . . .

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    1. Re:Not blood ... livers! by stealth_finger · · Score: 2, Funny

      Although I am not an Apple fanboy, I can understand how the Apple Inquisition's three main weapons, are: fear, surprise and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Jobs . . . their *four*...no... *Amongst* their weapons . . .

      Nobody expects the Apple Inquisition!

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  9. Re:Not a problem by xclr8r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't share my last name with people I game with. Actually I don't even share my 1st name with them, they just call me by my avatar's name. Having my real name + an e-mail address for a guild forum where some one can log my ip address is just asking for trouble.

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  10. Re:Good idea by Haedrian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thing is that-

    1. If your friend already knows your first and last name, you probably know him enough to be able to talk to him about it on another communication channel ("Hey, I'm adding you to my apple game list")
    2. If you don't know your friend personally, because you met him in another game, or another community - then you probably don't want him knowing details like that. I play a lot with the same community. In this case they will know me enough to recognise my nickname, but giving them my name and surname will not help them identify me any more than I would want them to.

  11. The difference between Apple and Blizzard by Sharp-kun · · Score: 2, Informative

    The difference between this and Blizzard's RealID is that RealID is a service on tp of the normal friends system in WoW - you can friend someone without giving your name, you just don't get as much info (see what char/server they're on at any time etc). Blizzard marketed it as something to use with people you actually know, not that Death Knight you thought was hot that one evening in Gundrak". That to me made it a lot less objectionable since there was no obligation to use it with all my friends. Apple on the other hand seem to be going with this by default.

  12. Bullshit, sorry by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, BS. While the trolls were the first excuse Blizzard thought of, they also gave interviews in which they explicitly stated that they want to get more users out of it. They were hoping you'd basically advertise their cash cow for them, either directly or via the human tendency for mindless conformism. Think, "ooh, Jack and Jill from work and 10 of their facebook 'friends' are playing WoW, let's join them."

    Heck, they even tried to spin it as a positive thing that they want your "friends of friends" (read, and anyone from the list of 2000 names someone can't even remember without the list, of someone you added just because there was no other global friend option) to keep messaging you they want you to return and tank for their preciousss epics. That's their #1 way to retain players long past the point where they've seen all quests and got bored with the repetitive raid grind. There must be a million people just in Blizzard's player base who are there just because of some delusion that if they quit a game they got bored with, or even if they skip one raid, they'll be somehow failing their guild and their "friends" who need them. Blizard just wanted to take that to the next level: let those people know who you are, where you are and what are they doing, and basically just help create more peer pressure to keep paying.

    Heck, for their own BattleNet the above _still_ is listed as an advantage. That you can see if someone is playing Diablo or StarCraft instead of coming help get your epics, and you can message them to come back.

    Basically I doubt that trolls were even a factor there, except as a more palatable excuse.

    And in that aspect, I don't think Apple's move is any different. They too hope to use people's names to get more business, and probably give just as little about your privacy if it helps make a quick buck.

    And frankly, how is it different from spam anyway? Anyone who knows me well enough to be called a friend, already knows how to contact me and ask me if I want to join in anything. Like, you know, send an email first, or give a call, or even an SMS, or whatever. If an invitation comes out of the blue actually needs something -- name or otherwise -- to convince me it's not random spam, then it _is_ spam. The only difference is that instead of being a batch run, it gives idiots a button to spam all their contacts for Apple's benefit.

    And really, how's plastering someone's name on it going to help anyway? If I see my buddy's John Doe' name on an unsolicited email trying to sell me Viagra or wanting me to open a "taxes.xls.exe" file, I will think "Joe Job", not "ooh, it must be genuine". Why would I think if it's an other kind unsolicited ad, and John never bothered telling me about it before, it's any better? And yes, there will be smacktards who fall for it anyway, but then you could give most of those an email from "login.scam@i-pwn-u.ru" and they'd follow it anyway.

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  13. No problem by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 3, Funny

    My apple ID is some random rubbish and I can just make up something stupid for my real name! Now no-one will know who I really am!

    1. Re:No problem by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shit, I forgot to check "Post Anonymously" :(

  14. Same as Blizzard? I don't think so... by cbope · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I believe the Blizzard reaction was justified because RealID was going to be used in their forums. You know... where everyone in the world with a Blizzard forum account will be able to see it. Dumb idea.

    This on the other hand, is very different. I didn't RTFA, but from the information in the news post, only friends to whom you send invitations will be sent your real name.

    Entertain me here, but I would guess that if you are sending an invitation to someone specifically, you already know them and they probably know your real name anyway. If you are the sort of person who sends invites to people you don't know, then you deserve what you get if unknown_person_a gets your real name along with the invitation and does something bad with it. That's just being Darwin stupid.

    At least on the surface, this is FAR different than Blizzard's RealID fiasco.

    1. Re:Same as Blizzard? I don't think so... by N0Man74 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Entertain me here, but I would guess that if you are sending an invitation to someone specifically, you already know them and they probably know your real name anyway. If you are the sort of person who sends invites to people you don't know, then you deserve what you get if unknown_person_a gets your real name along with the invitation and does something bad with it. That's just being Darwin stupid.

      There are many people that I only know by online persona or in games, that sometimes I have moved on to playing other games with. Just because I game with someone online doesn't mean they know my real name, or that I want them to. This is true whether or not I use forums.

  15. Re:it's apple by delinear · · Score: 3, Informative

    Blizzard tried to introduce this feature to an already existing community of anonymous people. Apple introduced the Game Center and Ping services as a way to interact with your family and friends. It was never intended to be a free-for-all, anonymous community and lots of people accept this.

    Never intended? Maybe some should tell Apple that, they seem to think otherwise:

    Game Center lets friends — and soon-to-be-friends — in on the action. Invite someone to join, then get a game going. Or go up against people you don’t know, from anywhere in the world, in a multiplayer game.

    Emphasis mine, wording very much Apple's.

  16. Re:Kiinda like Liberals cheering for Wikileaks by delinear · · Score: 2, Informative

    The way this works in reality, people send friend requests to complete strangers all the time. Say you've trawled through hundreds of idiots in various online games and you finally meet someone who matches your play style and seems like they'd be fun to play with again. You can either send them a friend request while not really knowing the first thing about them, or you can hope that, over the course of hundreds more games, you will meet them multiple times until you eventually consider them a real friend. Most people go with the former, you wouldn't necessarily want to send that person your name.