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Single Software Licence Shared 774,651 Times

nk497 writes "A single licence for Avast security software has been used by 774,651 people after it went viral on a file-sharing site. Avast noticed that a license for its paid-for security software, sold to a 14-user firm in Arizona, was being distributed online. Rather than shut down the piracy, the company decided to see how far the software would spread — it's since popped up in 200 countries, including the Vatican City. Now, the company is turning it into a marketing opportunity, with a pop-up encouraging users of the pirated copy to download a legal copy of the free or paid-for version. Avast isn't sure how many pirates have gone legal, but said some have made the switch."

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  1. They didn’t sue them... by clone52431 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, that’s a good start, I guess.

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    1. Re:They didn’t sue them... by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

      And suing one of several people in the Vatican... lets just say that might be one time to expect the Spanish inquisition.

    2. Re:They didn’t sue them... by hoggoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But... but... nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition...

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    3. Re:They didn’t sue them... by blair1q · · Score: 2

      The Vatican has very deep pockets and its argumentative strategies are generally a leap of faith.

      You'd think they'd get sued a lot more often.

    4. Re:They didn’t sue them... by kevinNCSU · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You were probably just going for the funny play on words, but the Vatican has very deep pockets and has been navigating the legal and political structures of countries across the globe for longer than a lot of countries have existed. I can't think of a less appealing target to get in a legal battle with.

    5. Re:They didn’t sue them... by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Vatican has very deep pockets and its argumentative strategies are generally a leap of faith.

      The first part of that is true, but the second... I don't think it could be more wrong. Theologians are people whose life is debating and thinking about minute points of logic, finding ways to interpret texts to mean what they want them to mean and devising detailed logical arguments in support of their positions. They're more lawyerly than lawyers.

      Your comment reminds me of Richard Feynman's attempt to logically confound Jewish seminary students. He failed, utterly.

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    6. Re:They didn’t sue them... by swillden · · Score: 2

      And then you drop the facts and the law on them and they vaporize.

      Do you have any idea what it is that lawyers do? They read and interpret texts and create arguments that relate specific sets of facts to them. Theologians are very, very good at doing those things, and those at the Vatican are the cream of a very large crop.

      (Note, BTW, that I'm not Catholic)

      This is why law isn't founded on logic.

      Umm. You're dead, flat wrong. The court process is all about logically applying statutes and rules to criminal cases or civil dispute in an attempt to achieve "fairness" -- where "fairness" is actually defined more by the statutes and rules than anything

      Logic lacks semantics, and you can prove anything if your postulates are false.

      No, you can prove anything if your postulates are contradictory. "False" and "True" are words that don't apply to postulates. Is Euclid's parallel postulate true? How about Zorn's Lemma?

      In the case of the law, statutes and rules of procedure are the axioms, and "justice" and "truth" are derived from them. Often the result is consistent with what we would consider "justice" and "truth", but not always.

      Lawyers, mathematicians, philosophers and theologians all have in common a well-honed ability to take a particular set of axioms and find ways to derive from them the "truths" that are of interest. The abilities aren't exactly the same, but they're closely related. And good theologians are seriously smart people.

      There's no reason a church should ever win a court case, except that somehow they've got the entire court system to postulate that god exists.

      How would the existence of god be relevant to a case about software piracy?

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  2. And now they got a free ad on Slashdot! by mattdm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amazing how that works.

    1. Re:And now they got a free ad on Slashdot! by Chapter80 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I would love to see how they worded their pop-up so as not to offend people or scare them away.

      ATTENTION! The Virus Software you are using has been pirated.
      Please put in your name and credit card number, and you will be legally licensed.

      The last thing I want to do, if caught pirating something inadvertently is to provide my identification.

    2. Re:And now they got a free ad on Slashdot! by clone52431 · · Score: 2

      No, that would be if we linked to the official press release.

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    3. Re:And now they got a free ad on Slashdot! by clone52431 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You can see it near the bottom of this page.

      I was mildly disappointed at how scary they made it look, but meh. It’s not like they were telling the users anything they probably didn’t already know, and I’d say that the music industry has successfully waged a shock&awe campaign to inform people of what, exactly, they can do to you if they catch you making unauthorized copies. I’d have been much more impressed if they had tried to present a more friendly and informative message. Something along the lines of:

      We have detected that this copy of avast! Pro is using an unauthorized license code (in other words, you didn’t pay for it).

      Perhaps you didn’t realize it, but avast! also offers a free edition for personal and non-commercial use. Please select from one of the options below:

      [ Downgrade this copy to avast! Free Edition ]
      [ Learn more about pricing plans for avast! Pro Edition ]

      Simple, to the point, and non-scary.

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    4. Re:And now they got a free ad on Slashdot! by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Funny

      The last thing I want to do, if caught pirating something inadvertently is to provide my identification.

      Yeah, I hate it when I accidentally log into bit torrent and download software rather than paying for it. I mean, the keys are practically right next to each other.

    5. Re:And now they got a free ad on Slashdot! by drolli · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dear Friend!

      I feel that i can thrust you. You seem a decent man, running a nice anti-virus software. As it turns out, the late owner of the company of the software you are using left me a fortune in licenses. However, i need a business partner.......

    6. Re:And now they got a free ad on Slashdot! by omnichad · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't care what kind of anti-viral plan you have, I will NOT let you thrust me.

    7. Re:And now they got a free ad on Slashdot! by noidentity · · Score: 2

      The wording in the software doesn't even make sense, "the license is illegal". I think they really mean one of these: license is invalid, you don't have a license, license is being used against its terms, license doesn't authorise your use, license has been revoked.

    8. Re:And now they got a free ad on Slashdot! by Machtyn · · Score: 2
      I have met ... okay, I haven't met them, but I follow-up behind them on occasion ... tech's and tech firms that will install unlicensed software on a client's computer. Quite often, the user/owner does not know about the unlicensed copy.

      Perhaps the line should have read

      We have detected that this copy of avast! Pro is using an unauthorized license code (in other words, you didn’t pay for it - if you paid for it, contact your sales representative).

      Perhaps, through an attorney :)

    9. Re:And now they got a free ad on Slashdot! by clone52431 · · Score: 2

      They earned a bit of a right to nag you when they didn’t immediately sue you, IMHO.

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    10. Re:And now they got a free ad on Slashdot! by icebraining · · Score: 2

      I disagree. It would be acceptable if the software was free, but if you're selling your product to some country, getting localization right is indispensable. If they don't know English well enough, they should pay someone to review it.

  3. great by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cue 4,000,000 slashdot posts how this proves, objectively, with 100% accuracy, that software piracy does zero economic harm and is actually beneficial to everyone involved.

    1. Re:great by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

      This proves, objectively, with 100% accuracy, that software piracy does zero economic harm and is actually beneficial to everyone involved.

    2. Re:great by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 2

      Interestingly, for the most part, personal non-commercial use of a software shouldn't really be taking money from anyone IMHO.

      However, in this case each and every copy is taxing Avast's servers, which is most definitely harming Avast.

      It's quite nice to see such a constructive approach to the problem.

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    3. Re:great by SailorSpork · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ironic that a Pirate themed product called Avast is using piracy as marketing...

    4. Re:great by ais523 · · Score: 2

      ClamAV is available legally for free via the repositories here. Why would I need to pirate it?

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    5. Re:great by Grapplebeam · · Score: 3, Funny

      This proves that pirates are awesome, and economics are unimportant when you still have rum and the French to pillage. Yarrrr!

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    6. Re:great by clone52431 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I’m pretty sure that qualifies as an EPIC fail.

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  4. I think Microsoft might have them beat... by wolrahnaes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FCKGW-RHQQ2...

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    1. Re:I think Microsoft might have them beat... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There was a time when the algorithm for testing Microsoft keys was that the sum of the digits was divisible by 7 (I think). Setting every digit to 7 was the simplest way of doing this, although there were other options were possible. I often used these instead of bothering to look up what the actual value should have been.

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    2. Re:I think Microsoft might have them beat... by Whalou · · Score: 2

      Isn't that what came out of that famous Microsoft's Speech-to-Text demo video?

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    3. Re:I think Microsoft might have them beat... by JeffSpudrinski · · Score: 2

      Dang...that brings back memories. I remember the code that worked every time for Win95. It had a lot of sevens and a few zeros (No, I'm not posting here). I never installed a pirated copy, but just used that number to save time when installing.

      Wow...I feel like a grizzled old soldier reminiscing about the "good old days".

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    4. Re:I think Microsoft might have them beat... by argmanah · · Score: 3, Funny

      There was a time when the algorithm for testing Microsoft keys was that the sum of the digits was divisible by 7 (I think).

      There was a time when I found that the Microsoft keys were interchangeable among products. I was able to install Windows 95 using the license key from Microsoft Works, I think.

      I would imagine this was because whether a number was divisible by 7 was not dependent on the application.

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  5. If it was not so serious, it would be truly funny! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    “We found our licence code at a number of warez sites around the globe,” said Vince Steckler, chief executive of Avast Software. “There is a paradox in computer users looking for ‘free’ antivirus programs at locations with a known reputation for spreading malware.”

  6. uh...what? by Pojut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The pirating of legally-free software never ceases to amuse me...I know the licence is for a "paid" version of the program, but still, for personal users, the "free" version is more than sufficient. That being said, Avast's response to this has been PERFECT.

    1. Re:uh...what? by masmullin · · Score: 2

      Now, isn't pirating an anti-virus program that has a free version readily available more than a little self-defeating?

      They pirated the license key.

    2. Re:uh...what? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

      The pirating of legally-free software never ceases to amuse me...

      Just this morning, I googled for the name of a program I wrote. Among other places, I found it as part of a 45MB Mac disk image of cracked applications.

      If you really want to pirate my software, then there's not much I can to do stop you. That's fine, I guess, but you'd probably be better off downloading it directly from Sourceforge.

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  7. Just demoing by nlawalker · · Score: 4, Funny

    As it turns out, when asked, all 774,651 people were "just trying out to see how it was before they bought it."

    1. Re:Just demoing by imthesponge · · Score: 2

      That's the excuse most software/media thieves use.

    2. Re:Just demoing by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe he was demoing a joke right there. The keygen for the full version spits out "whoosh."

  8. Measurement opportunity by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

    I am somewhat interested in how many people will actually pay for a license; this might be a good way to estimate how many people who download unauthorized software would have paid for the software in the first place.

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    1. Re:Measurement opportunity by hedwards · · Score: 2

      I've never had a "mom and pop" store install software illegally on any of the machines I bought there or had serviced. If they did install any, it was removed before I got my hands on it.

      Most of them are more concerned with going out of business when they get caught doing it.

    2. Re:Measurement opportunity by Spad · · Score: 2

      Pirates should not be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to software that is affordable

      But they should all be grouped together into a single homogeneous mass.

    3. Re:Measurement opportunity by OnlyJedi · · Score: 2

      Actually, since a license is free for non-commercial use, it's most likely to show how many people are too lazy to fill out an online form or register an account (possibly giving their email up to spammers--I mean marketing). Kinda like using bugmenot to get into free-to-register websites.

    4. Re:Measurement opportunity by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 2

      Too bad no one is offering it to you for free and the people selling games for $1 are likely struggling indie devs so you can't even use the "faceless corporation" argument :)

  9. Re:News flash by clone52431 · · Score: 2

    people cheat when they think they can get away with it.

    Your post was completely unrelated to mine, yet you replied to me. Did you think you’d get away with that?

    Anyway, to respond more to your point, yes – people cheat when they think they can get away with it. However, pirating software that (by definition) phones home is... sort of... especially dumb. By which I mean, you’re unlikely to get away with it.

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  10. To me, all this says is.. by dmomo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At least 774,641 searched for the file (wanting to pirate it) and found this copy first. If this copy was not there, 774,641 would have searched for the file and found what was otherwise the second result for said software. What we can say is that 774,641 pirated the software, not that the uploaded caused it to be pirated 774,641 times.

    I'm trying not to condonng the pirates or sympathizing with the software company. This is just (hopefully) an objective observation.

    1. Re:To me, all this says is.. by Corbets · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At least 774,641 searched for the file (wanting to pirate it) and found this copy first. If this copy was not there, 774,641 would have searched for the file and found what was otherwise the second result for said software. What we can say is that 774,641 pirated the software, not that the uploaded caused it to be pirated 774,641 times.

      I'm trying not to condonng the pirates or sympathizing with the software company. This is just (hopefully) an objective observation.

      You're still applying an interpretation. What it says is that 774,641 copies of the pirated key are in use (or something similar; depending how they gathered their stats, it might be that many IP addresses, which may or may not correlate to actual installed copies, or... whatever).

      When you say that 774,641 people searched for the file and found it first, you're making an assumption that is no more valid than any other guess. My own assumption, to provide a contrary point of view, is that people actively went out actively looking to get their hands on the paid version without paying for it, as when I enter a variety of Avast-related search terms in Google, I get their website, not warez sites.

      In any case, I like the way they handled it, though I would have supported cancelling that license as well (after discussions with the actual owner of the license).

  11. As a comparison by Aussenseiter · · Score: 2, Informative

    The RIAA would extrapolate 774,651 equivalent illegal downloads as $11,619,765 in lost revenue - and then go to the courts.

    1. Re:As a comparison by Ant+P. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're missing a few zeroes on the end there.

  12. nice works. by swschrad · · Score: 2

    you know, like the old days, when code was in magazines, and you could use it free. you could patch it or turn it around yourself, and learn something useful reading the stuff you didn't want to type in.

    and the Avast folks have a list of the files in Windows handy, so they don't have rogue updates that brick your system by quarantining core files.

    try it, you just might buy it. I did for my last surviving XP machine.

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  13. Re:Still not good by yincrash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    proof of piracy is not proof of a lost sale

  14. paradox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The paradox might be that pirate sites are trusted more by users than antivirus creators.

  15. Sooo. they spy on their users? by Trelane · · Score: 2

    It's clear that they can see where the license is used on warez sites without spying. But how do they know what countries the *users* are in, and how do they push the advertising to them? Inquiring minds want to know!

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    1. Re:Sooo. they spy on their users? by TheUni · · Score: 2

      Are you serious or am I just missing the sarcasm?

      User requests updates, server checks license and notes IP. How is there a conspiracy here?

    2. Re:Sooo. they spy on their users? by demonbug · · Score: 2

      It's clear that they can see where the license is used on warez sites without spying. But how do they know what countries the *users* are in, and how do they push the advertising to them? Inquiring minds want to know!

      Presumably the software checks back in for virus definition updates and such periodically once somebody installed it, regardless of source. AV software is pretty useless if it isn't kept up to date; not too surprising they track by software key, then just run a lookup on the IP that requested the update.

  16. I wouldn't imagine that at all by judeancodersfront · · Score: 2

    Even mom and pop stores can get a commission from anti-virus subscriptions. There is a free version of avast, why would they not install it instead?

  17. Re:Vatican by whiteboy86 · · Score: 2

    Vatican does not have a software treaty with the US

    That foolish Vatican pirate is simply 10 commandments violator, and we all know what is coming to him..

  18. Why pirate AV Software? by Xibby · · Score: 2

    As Microsoft Security Essentials is offered for free for personal and small business (up to 10-PCs) use, the only reason I can think of to pirate AV software is because you're also pirating Windows and can't pass the WGA validation test. Even then why bother...just use the free version of Avast that doesn't care about WGA validation.

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  19. They are likely grateful... by ameline · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are likely grateful that people are using their software rather than the superior (and free) Microsoft Security Essentials. (Yes, MS makes a piece of software that is superior in virtually every way to its competition. Hard to believe, but it's true.)

    http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/

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  20. Re:News flash by dmomo · · Score: 2

    Also, the "Reply to This" button under the first post is much more prominent than the "reply" link to the left at the footer of the Article text. I've accidentally replied to the first post my share of times. Mind you, the "first post" differs depending on who is reading it and how the replies are sorted for them.

  21. Re:200 Countries ? Now that is what I call coverag by H0p313ss · · Score: 3, Funny

    Last I checked the US State Department recognized something like 194 countries. So they appear to have coverage of 103% of the countries in the world!

    Rounding error. This is what happens when you let arts majors use computers.

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  22. Re:Who cares about "lost sales?" by Seumas · · Score: 2

    There's nothing special about the software industry. Plenty of industries that offer services not needed or wanted or which can not do so to a degree that the free market can support them continue to survive, thanks to government (tax payer) subsidies. If you have a big union that wields a lot of votes, you're even more likely to long out live your usefulness, without suffering from it.

    However, I'm not really sure what any of that has to do with a million people using a commercial piece of software without paying for it. Unlike typewriters, people *need* anti-virus software (well, most of them, at least). Comparing typewriters which nobody wants or uses anymore to a piece of software that everyone wants and does use (just doesn't want to pay a few bucks for) doesn't exactly make sense. The fact that it was copied and used almost a million times sort of invalidates the idea that it's an unwanted service.

  23. Registration code by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

    So...what's the code they were using anyway? Just curious....

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  24. Re:Vatican by masmullin · · Score: 2

    forgiveness?

  25. Avast! I want to be a mighty pirate. by CannonballHead · · Score: 4, Funny

    Am I the only one that finds it slightly humorous that people were pirating a product called Avast! ... ? :)

  26. Re:News flash by Captain+Hook · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People like free stuff.

    But Avasts free product is pretty good as well, and the only 2 features that the pro version has that the free version doesn't is

    • Faster updates
    • Lets you safely browse suspicious websites or applications

    Neither of which seem like killer features to me. The free version of Avast does however require you to go to their website and register, enter the licence key into the product and repeat when the license expires.

    I wonder if the scale of this pirating shows that people prefer a simpler solution (see Note #1) more than it shows that people prefer a free solution?

    Note #1: At least 1 step in the process is removed, the registration step. Possibly the next step as well, the pirate version may not require the install to enter the license number either, although I've not used the pirate version so could say for sure.

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  27. Arrrr. by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 2

    How fitting it be that a bunch of landlubbers calling themselves "Avast" be victims of piracy.
    More grog me boys!

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  28. Re:Vatican by clone52431 · · Score: 2

    Or your neighbour’s wife’s ass?

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  29. hypocriscy? yes, please by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey Vatican, what part of Thou Shalt Not Steal did you misunderstand?!

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    1. Re:hypocriscy? yes, please by RJHelms · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey Vatican, what part of Thou Shalt Not Steal did you misunderstand?!

      Oooh ooh, I got this one!

      Turns out software piracy isn't theft after all! I mean, if the Vatican does it... they've never broken any commandments, have they?

    2. Re:hypocriscy? yes, please by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wifi?

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    3. Re:hypocriscy? yes, please by Schemat1c · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey Vatican, what part of Thou Shalt Not Steal did you misunderstand?!

      You're talking about a place full of false idols and graven images.

      They likely haven't even read the 10 commandments, let alone follow any of them.

      Well since the bible is just a pirated version of Sumerian and Babylonian mythology I don't see why them pirating software should be any worse.

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    4. Re:hypocriscy? yes, please by icebraining · · Score: 2

      Yes, they do, they've signed the Berne and the two Universal Copyright Conventions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_international_copyright_agreements

  30. Has the "pirated software" scene changed? by dmomo · · Score: 2

    As another poster confessed, I would be hesitant to download any pirated software less out of moral qualms than out of fear of malware. Add to this, the fact that much software does use an Internet connection, even if the software's functionality does not require it. Being always connected has changed things. Software can phone home and does so often. Be it for "update checking" or "license verification", vendors have a better notion of where their software is installed than ever before.

    Sure there is firewall software to stop unauthorized Internet access, but now so many applications use the network that there is a lot of noise to signal or vice-versa. These days, when I have a software need, I try to find a (legitimately) free alternative whenever possible.

  31. V2C47-MK7JD-3R89F-D2KXW-VPK3J by metalmaster · · Score: 2

    I'd like to see the usage stats for that one.

    It was possibly the most widely used VLK for pirated Windows XP copies. I reported seeing it used on a community college network at one point. Im sure i got that admin into some hot water

  32. Re:News flash by X0563511 · · Score: 2

    Most cheat. Some get away with it.

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  33. Re:News flash by mcmonkey · · Score: 2

    When everyone is doing it, is it even still cheating?

    Yes.

  34. Re:News flash by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

    Well I can say one of the reasons I switched to Comodo AV for my customers is even though all they had to do was give Avast an email to get a new key they would often end up with an expired AV instead. With Comodo you get a lifetime license so that is one less thing they have to do, so I would have to agree that simple tops free just about every single time. Hell one of my more popular packs is the "make it a toaster" pack, where I set everything to automatic, from scans and defrags to registry and shortcut cleaning. I've found people are quite happy to pay to not have to deal with their "stupid PC" except to do what THEY want to do with it. Now if I could only automate install of third party apps I'd be in heaven.

    As for TFA I bet I can name a key that can quite easily top that one: The "WinXP Corporate SP2" key, ala the RAZR1911 corporate key. I swear around 05/06 I think that every third machine that crossed my desk had that key, even those that had a legit XP Home would often end up with that key if they took it to one of the shadier repair shops, because they often had all the patches slipstreamed to that disk.

    That is why I still say Ballmer shot himself in the foot by getting rid of the $50 Win 7 HP deal, because more pirates I know switched because of that than all the WGA bullshit. Now that it is back to $100 I have no doubt I'll end up seeing "Windows 7 Ultimate RAZR1911 Edition" machines start showing up on my desk, whereas with the $50 HP they not only turned pirates but they had a captive audience which they could use to try to upsell to Pro and gotten many of us with legit XP machines to switch. At $50 I would have switched this netbox off XP Home, but at $100? A RAM and GPU upgrade is the better deal.

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