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DOJ Ramping Up Crackdown On Copyright-Infringing Sites

An anonymous reader writes "The Obama administration is just getting started in its mission to shut down rogue websites that illegally share copyrighted content such as movies and music. The White House's intellectual property czar, Victoria Espinel, said Monday that the Internet community should 'expect more of that' pre-emptive action as the administration ramps up its efforts to combat online copyright infringement — especially the illegal copying and sale of pharmaceutical drugs."

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  1. Next up by Dyinobal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Christ what next declaring another stupid war, like 'the war on drugs'. How long before they start to censor sites with political views not approved by the government, or blocking sites deemed 'risks to national security'. I really get tired of my country trying to police and control everything. What ever happened to wanting more freedom.

    1. Re:Next up by chemicaldave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How long before they start to censor sites with political views not approved by the government, or blocking sites deemed 'risks to national security'. I really get tired of my country trying to police and control everything. What ever happened to wanting more freedom.

      That's quite a leap you're making. I'f you're really upset then why not write a letter to your congressman and/or donate to the EFF?

    2. Re:Next up by Ancantus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record." ~ 1984 by George Orwell

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    3. Re:Next up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'f you're really upset then why not write a letter to your congressman ...

      I find rubbing my lucky rabbit foot to be much more effective - and pleasant.

    4. Re:Next up by retech · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Too late Joe Lieberman has already proposed legislation to say that:

      All gov't communications are classified. Leaking a classified document is an act of terrorism. Default to Patriot Act.

      Give them a few years and we'll not be able to object to anything.

    5. Re:Next up by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do you think that shutting down theives is the same thing as shutting down newspapers?

      Seriously, the depth of cluelessness that surrounds this issue is abyssal.

      The government protects MPAA and RIAA members against torrent sites. Given.

      But if you were ever so industrious as to write something that was worth something, the government would protect you from the MPAA, the RIAA, and itself.

    6. Re:Next up by blair1q · · Score: 2

      How you solve that is you don't vote for Joe Lieberman. Vote for someone who won't do that.

    7. Re:Next up by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps artists should look into either creating new work or getting a real job like the rest of us instead of expecting to get paid in perpetuity. Any work done should automatically go into the public domain after 30 years regardless of whether or not the artist is still living. Righs should also be non-transferable. Copyright is a contract between artists and society, they create work and we grant them a temporary monopoly on distribution, what's happened is they still have their monopoly but are refusing to let the work fall into the public domain. The market is adjusting accordingly.

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      "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
    8. Re:Next up by lostthoughts54 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      quite a leap? hardly so imo. This thought i think is verified in the internet kill switch debate. A button(essentially) to disable any website deemed harmful or infringing, if u think use of that will stop at copyright u are ignorant of politics and american history. Case and point= Wikileaks(i know we are all sick of hearing the name) they keep getting taken down based on a political reasons, not legal ones.

      U dont lose rights, they are eroded away.

    9. Re:Next up by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Have you forgotten how the (un)Patriot act was passed? Remember the days after 9/11, while the Anthrax scare was really raging? Every sniveling, whining dog in Washington wanted action, immediately, to take the fear out of their timid little hearts. They ALL voted for the (un)Patriot act - liberals, conservatives, libertarians, male and female, black and white, straight and queer, big and little, it just didn't matter who or what they were. In fact, the (un)Patriot act alone makes the best single argument in favor of the conspiracy nuts who think it was an inside job.

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    10. Re:Next up by Schadrach · · Score: 2

      Oh, someone certainly is, but they'll never get elected because the "voting for a third party candidate is throwing away your vote" meme is so firmly entrenched, and neither R nor D will ever run anyone who doesn't have that position.

    11. Re:Next up by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Informative

      They ALL voted for the (un)Patriot act - liberals, conservatives, libertarians, male and female...

      Uh, not all.

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      Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
    12. Re:Next up by ubermiester · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How long before they start to censor sites with political views not approved by the government, or blocking sites deemed 'risks to national security'

      That's the kind of thinking that leads to statements like "If we let gay people get married, what's next - marrying your dog?" Please stop the Bush/Obama=Hilter madness. If you're going to make the case for hypothetical future govt abuses, at least come up with something remotely based on reality.

      Similarly, selling bootleg DVDs on the street is illegal and those who do so are shut down and arrested/fined. This has not in any way led to the shutdown of legit video stores that sell "objectionable" content. To make that link is to create a classic straw-man.

      tired of my country trying to police and control everything

      By any measurable standard, the average American citizen has more freedom of movement and behavior than anyone in human history. And the trend continues. Gay/inter-racial marriage, hardcore porn, sodomy, public nudity, medical marijuana, etc, etc, etc. There has been an explosion of new rights and freedoms in the 20th century. What freedoms do you feel you have lost?

      If you're concerned about your right to steal music/movies/books/etc by getting them from torrent sites, then you are claiming that your "right" to steal trumps the creator's (intellectual) property rights. Not exactly what you had in mind I don't think, but that's what you're complaining about in the current context.

    13. Re:Next up by sjames · · Score: 2

      That's hard to do when it works so well!

      He orchestrated a single attack and got our own government to spend the next 9 years and counting trashing our country for him.

    14. Re:Next up by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For the record I do believe homosexuals have the right to get married, but to play Devil's advocate, would you support polygamy? It's the same logic in that the people entering into the contract are consenting adults who happen to have a different way of expressing their love/sexuality.

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      "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
    15. Re:Next up by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Russ Feingold too.

    16. Re:Next up by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      Start your own company

      Unfortunately they've stacked the system to raise some huge barriers to entry. They control the distribution channels, they control the all-important advertising and promotion channels. If you could break their hold on that, then we might be getting somewhere.

    17. Re:Next up by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the 30 year mark is just a nice round number that to the average person represents an appreciable amount of time...but not too much. The problem I have with the lifetime of the artist is with bands. If you had a band of 4 people and 3 have died, does the copyright die with you? What if you replaced your drummer at year 5, does the copyright of everything between years 1-4 not apply to him? Thirty years seems like an ample amount of time to profit from a work, and in all honesty having copyrights expire within the lifetime of the artist (in my mind at least) will encourage them to create more work. It's a song, not a retirement plan.

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      "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
    18. Re:Next up by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He's from Saudi Arabia.

      He moved to Afghanistan, but that was already trashed by the Soviets and then again by the Taliban.

      Given his beliefs, he probably would have gotten around to attacking Iraq eventually, but we saved him the trouble.

      As for MORE, that's a matter of perspective. Neither his birth country, any country he lives in, nor their neighbors have given up the fundamental ideas behind their foundation. We keep chiseling away at our own foundation.

    19. Re:Next up by Steauengeglase · · Score: 2

      In the 107th Congress, there were:

      *Senate:
      - Dean Barkley (I - MN) [Independence Party of Minnesota]

      *House of Representatives:
      - Bernie Sanders (I - VT) [democratic socialist, only one actually]
      -Jim Jeffords (I - VT) [Former Republican]

    20. Re:Next up by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think part of the problem is that DOJ is considering counterfit drugs and unauthorised MP3 downloads as exactly the same thing, when in reality they are very different matters.

    21. Re:Next up by HiThere · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not a meme. It's a design feature of the system. This would not be true if the winning candidate was required to get a majority of the votes, but as only a plurality of the votes is required, voting for a third party is, essentially, saying "Neither of the two leading contenders is enough better than the other that I care to choose between them." And as only a plurality is required, one of them will win. Possibly with only 20% of the vote, but all that's required is that their closest opponent not get more than 19.99999% for that to suffice.

      Personally I favor Condorcet voting, but Instant Runoff is nearly as good and much easier to explain.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    22. Re:Next up by Xtifr · · Score: 2

      Personally I favor Condorcet voting, but Instant Runoff is nearly as good and much easier to explain.

      I agree, and if you want to move in that direction, the best approach may be to try to get it implemented on a local level, in your city or town. Oakland and San Francisco have both switched to instant runoff for local elections, over the screams of the established/entrenched powers-that-be, and it seems to be working quite well. IMO, the more places that do the same, the more likely it is to be implemented on larger scales (especially--for now--in California).

      One common complaint of the P-T-B seems to be that it's a liberal plot. Presumably this is coming from people who remember Ralph Nader, but have forgotten Ross Perot, so please feel free to remind them if you hear this nonsense.

    23. Re:Next up by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      There are separate copyrights for songwriting and performing the song. The former would certainly belong to an easily-identifiable person or two, but the latter has the complications stated by the GP.

    24. Re:Next up by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 2

      The notion that consumers have no voice is absurd. Just look at MADD, or Brady Campaign. Angry citizens formed groups and changed laws despite large corporate entities (alcohol and firearms) and other interest groups (NRA).

      Seriously? You quote two organizations which are KNOWN for hysterically bleating "THINK OF THE CHILDRENNN!N!!!!!!" and massaging statistics so well (to fit their preconceptions) that it'd make a Bangkok whore blush in envy.

      No, sir, it wouldn't work simply because we (generally) have fact and reason on our side.

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      "A government is a body of people usually -- notably -- ungoverned." -Shepherd Book
    25. Re:Next up by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      And what if no-one is running who won't do that?

      Busy this election cycle, are we?

      No, seriously. Local elections and primaries are where those with ideas outside the two-party box can get a start. If it means that much to you, run for an elected position yourself in your town/county/district if there is nobody to represent your views.

      The system was designed to require user input & active participation to function as intended. The situations and conditions in the US today are directly the result of an increasing lack of both over the last ~60 years or so.

      If nothing changes, nothing changes.

      Strat

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      Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
    26. Re:Next up by Idiomatick · · Score: 2

      For the 2001 Patriot Act:
      Republicans: 98.6% Yeas
      Democrats: 70.0% Yeas

      For the 2006 Renewal:
      Republicans: 94.3% Yeas
      Democrats: 34.7% Yeas

      The Patriot Act was passed unquestioningly TWICE by the GOP. Once with some questions by the Dems and rejected once by the Dems. And if you broke this into the liberals vs conservatives, the libs would have never passed it.

      Lets try to be factual about this. It really is sad that just a few days ago I had to prove to someone that the democrats voted against entering the Iraq war (since they blamed both sides evenly). Can't people do basic fact checks?

      Just in case... The Iraq War:
      GOP: 215 Yes, 2 No ... (99.1%)
      Dems: 82 Yes, 125 No ... (39.6%)

  2. Nice... by TrisexualPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So I won't be able to order Pfizer terramycin from Greece anymore and will be required to spend 10x the amount and purchase it locally?

    1. Re:Nice... by Spoonofdarkness · · Score: 2

      Even worse, I fear that they might shut down my Viagra torrent site!

    2. Re:Nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do you know why it costs more locally? Just like chip makers have runs of "the good stuff" and the items that won't work at the original intended speed that they then mark as a lower speed and sell for less, drug makes have batches that meet local regulations and ones that don't. If a batch doesn't meet US federal regulations it is sent to some country where it DOES meet the regulations. This may be fine for you if, for example, your needs only require your pill be within 30% tolerance of the labeled amount. But if you required 95% tolerance - you would have to pay more for it. Some countries have higher purity / tolerance standards than the US. Buy brand name drugs from there: you'll find they are more expensive than in the US. It is all about how much it costs to make and which batches meet the requirements of which place.

    3. Re:Nice... by crypticedge · · Score: 3, Informative

      Do you know why it costs more locally? Just like chip makers have runs of "the good stuff" and the items that won't work at the original intended speed that they then mark as a lower speed and sell for less, drug makes have batches that meet local regulations and ones that don't. If a batch doesn't meet US federal regulations it is sent to some country where it DOES meet the regulations. This may be fine for you if, for example, your needs only require your pill be within 30% tolerance of the labeled amount. But if you required 95% tolerance - you would have to pay more for it. Some countries have higher purity / tolerance standards than the US. Buy brand name drugs from there: you'll find they are more expensive than in the US. It is all about how much it costs to make and which batches meet the requirements of which place.

      Incorrect. The US has higher drug costs because we have trade agreements with most other countries that states we will foot the entire cost of research and development for any drug made by US companies, even if the research happens overseas. Thats why you can get some drugs in Canada for 5% of the total cost of the same drug in the US. It has nothing to do with the purity, and entirely due to those trade agreements.

      If people really cared about the cost of medicine in the US that would be one of the first things we called to get repealed, but it shows how little the average citizen knows when you see statements like yours in place.

    4. Re:Nice... by CookieForYou · · Score: 2

      Actually, Canada's health restrictions are much tighter than the US. The "reject" food products from Canada are regularly sent to places like Texas who don't give a damn about the levels of mercury or cobalt in their food.

      In fact, not that long ago, Mexico rejected all lettuce shipments from the US for having absurd levels of several toxic minerals. The lettuce was turned around and sold at California and Arizona stores, because the US standards on food safety aren't as high in many areas.

      But regardless, drugs from Canada are substantially cheaper, even with roughly identical composition. In some cases, drugs made from the same damn plant and exported, are subsequently grossly cheaper in Canada. This has to do with our shitty health insurance system, our ass backwards system of patent royalties and a few other similar things, and little to do with perceived "drug quality".

      The higher price is not a case of "because we must" but rather "because we can".

  3. Cognitive Dissonance by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm struck with CD... As an artist, a musician, I don't want my work to be copied and people to 'take advantage' of me. But on the other hand, I feel like copyright is an artificial device that only hurts the economy and, on a higher level, human progress as a whole. We can't have 'copied' drugs for much cheaper, thus some people who might have been able to afford said drugs are no longer able to... just to secure the profits of some corporation? I must be missing something here. Someone cure my CD?

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    1. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by JTsyo · · Score: 2

      Who's going to research new drugs if the work will be stolen and sold for just the cost of production? The companies that need to do the research and then go through years of trials for approval needs the charge higher to make back the money they invest and to have funds for future research. Now asking what's the right amount to charge that gets tricky. there won't be any market forces since they'll be the only ones producing it.

    2. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by benjamindees · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, lemme get this straight. You're against copying music, because you create music. But you're for copying drugs, because you use drugs?

      Just think of it this way. If more people do drugs, then there would be more people creating music. More competition means fewer people buying your music. And that means you would have less money for lava lamps.

      So, as you can see, it's clearly in your interest to be against free drugs.

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    3. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What you call 'taking advantage of you' could also be called 'free advertising'. A copy of a work (song, painting), have previously been treated as a 'product' in and of themselves. That will change to being a 'physical copy'. A digital copy of a work can be reproduced perfectly and in an infinite supply.

      So that now the 'value' of a copy is going to be for practical purposes, zero.

      The music industry is fighting this, but simply can't win that war. Eventually new artists will skip the established labels and go straight online and the labels and 'old' companies will wither.

      As an artist, use the power of the internet to drive sales of the intangible things you create. Like playing a live concert, or an actual painting. That is the way of the future.

      And to be sure there will be some 'need' for a good marketing company to promote bands, but it will be less of the master/slave relationship that the labels currently have and more of the customer/client relationship that exists in normal non-monopoly situations.

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    4. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Greyfox · · Score: 2
      Copyright in some form is good. Copyright in its current form is bad. You should be able to retain control over your own work, and you should be able to make a living off of it. However, since the laws of the land are for sale to the highest bidder, Copyright has been subverted by corporations who want to be able to ride that money train until the end of time.

      To some extent sharing is also good, it helps get word of your art around. However you would hope that once someone has heard a song or two from you, that they would come buy your albums. Far too often that doesn't happen. If the artist is making his work available, I have no sympathy for the leeches. They should either stick with works in the public domain or pony up whatever the copyright holders are asking. Anything else is hypocrisy attempting to justify criminal behavior. If you don't like how the system works, start a movement to change the laws or do not partake of the system. Do not delude yourself into thinking that stealing from the system will change anything or prove anything to anyone. It will only eventually get you sued into bankruptcy.

      Personally I prefer music that's actually human to the pre-packaged crap that is pop music today. I would much prefer to be able to give a garage band in Kenya or Japan $10 for an album than go through the standard commercial channels. The Internet has the ability to make anyone a publisher, but very few artists seem to be taking advantage of that fact. And at least some of the ones that do still get taken down by bad-faith DMCA notices because the web sites are "hosting MP3s". I'm sure that if a lot of artists started doing this, the RIAA would successfully lobby Congress to make it illegal, too, because they give Congress a Fuck-Ton of money. Perhaps the fact that our laws are for sale in such a fashion should be the first issue to be addressed in this little problem.

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      I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    5. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by JTsyo · · Score: 2

      If they didn't bother to make the drug in the first place, the patient would be in the same situation. Though I do agree that the cooperations markup price more than needed. Should the government be running drug research labs and then making the result available for others to produce?

    6. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by cdrguru · · Score: 2

      The problem is that for most people once you have the zero-cost digital copy you have no need for the artist or his orginal physical copy. I claim that once I have seen Avatar a couple of times I have no need to possess it. Similarly, I don't need to possess the Mona Lisa having seen it.

      I don't really need to go to the concert if I have listened to the music. And I won't ever go, period. You can say that sufficient people will go to support the artist, but I seriously doubt that. In the last 50 years the concert has gone from being a place where new works are performed to being a place where the worship of the artist takes place. Very few are deserving, and very few get paid anything real for concerts. Mostly these days live performances are a draw for a bar and the band gets very little out of it, if anything at all.

      Promotion is driven by revenue. There are no prospects for revenue under the new regime. I don't think people really understand the death of promotion and the number of jobs really connected with it today. Still, we are going to see the end of promotion with the end of revenue from things like music.

      Software is likely to be an ever-escalating war, with the only truce being in environments where piracy simply isn't tolerated. Law enforcement, for one.

      Movies? I expect most revenue and theater showings to disappear within a few years. Even Netflix is an abberation today - there is no way people are going to pay even a miniscule amount to Netflix if they can have the content for free.

  4. Re:viva le WIKILEAKS by Anarki2004 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Freedom costs a buck-o-five dude

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  5. The new face of the US Government by noobermin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "DoJ's announcement immediately won the praise of the entertainment industry and renewed interest on Capitol Hill for legislation that would grant the administration additional power to shutter malicious and rogue websites."

    The entertainment industry. Yup, of the people, by the people, and for the people. More like the oligarchy.

    1. Re:The new face of the US Government by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      The entertainment industry. Yup, of the people, by the people, and for the people. More like the oligarchy.

      And what really chaffs most about this is they pressured the US government to pressure other countries to adopt copyright legislation treaties more stringent than what the DMCA was, and then use that to basically cause the US to now have to adopt those as well.

      It's like they managed to negotiate on behalf of the oligopolies and then make everyone beholden to them. I've said before, the "entertainment/copyright" industry now has almost direct control over the internet.

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  6. If they keep this up.. by Mysteray · · Score: 3, Interesting
    So if they keep this up, jacking with .com, .org, .net, etc. the only thing that's going to happen is that those top-level names will fall into disuse. Even if you could make .com have all the safety and law-abiding-ness of .museum, do you really want to?

    This is the first crack in the US's losing control of the internet. Not that the US or any one entity "controls" it per se, but we did have a big influence in the technical direction of it.

    1. Re:If they keep this up.. by Mysteray · · Score: 2

      He's a lawyer.

  7. Re:viva le WIKILEAKS by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're talking out your ass, fuzzy. Freedom isn't free - you have that much right. However - your conservative minded friends are busy taking freedoms away from the common man. I'll remind you: copyright was NEVER MEANT to ensure that the owner could make a dollar. It was only intended to ensure that IF ANYONE made a coin or two from his work, then he should get part of it. Every bone head moron who thinks that beating the kid down the street to the copyright and/or patent office with something new should guarantee an income for life needs to pull their bone-heads out of their asses. Hey - Microsoft came to market first, with an easy operating system that any moron could use. That means what, exactly? That everyone in the world should pay Microsoft forever? What utter fucking BULLSHIT! Back in the day when patents and copyrights were limited to reasonable periods of time, everything that made Win 3.1 and the W32 crap work would be public today. That's right. The added bits and pieces that made the small jump from W32 up to Win98 would be coming up for expiration in about two or three years. (Fact is, Digital Research beat Microsoft to the W32 thing, which is exactly why Microsoft turned their big guns on DRDos) No - freedom isn't free. And, you'll remember that when the commoners are spilling your royal blood on Wall Street. Our laws are totally borked right now because your heros are crooked SOB's who buy the laws they want.

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  8. How long before the US becomes world enemy #1? by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wikileaks have shown in very clear detail how the U.S., often at the request of U.S. business (and isn't this exactly how imperialism works?), meddles in the affairs of other nations... sometimes with guns and explosives. The U.S. seems to be expanding or otherwise pushing its weight around a lot lately where pushing its agenda around. Now it is using its ICANN control to mess with DNS and it won't be long before IP routing is also a tool in its belt as well.

    All of this is going to (and already is) make people very angry with the U.S. and eventually stop doing business with U.S. companies out of principle. That will pretty much spell the end of the U.S. as we know it.

    The U.S. exists in a world among MANY nations. Once we turn the majority of them against us, we're in trouble... I think we already are.

    It's time for the U.S. to behave. The next round of Wikileaks will turn up the truth further by exposing the REAL causes of the problems -- world banks.

  9. Re:I hate to sound like Sarah Palin by vux984 · · Score: 2

    Isn't it ironic that for all of the screaming about Republicans ignoring rules and laws and that its the Democrats that are the worst offenders?

    Its not ironic. Its not even true.

    All you've observed is that the rules get broken by the group in power, while group without power doesn't. Big revelation. Had McCain/Palin been handed power, they would have been the ones breaking the rules.

    The only question is which group will be worse. Personally, given the options, I think we got the right one. (And all you 3rd party advocates out there, your right ... there are more than 2 options but I'm glad none of those other nutters got elected too.)

    Also, this lays to rest the myth that Republicans are bought and sold by big business.

    How so?

    They may well be,

    Wait, even you acknowledge the "myth" might be true? What was that nonsense of laying it to rest then?

    but its now clear Democrats have been bought and sold by the same people.

    Well duh. But I like socialized health care, believe its cheaper in the long run, and feel it aligns with my morals better than the "pay up or we let you die in a ditch free market alternative". I'm confident people making 200k+ a year can afford a few hundred more dollars in taxes. And I don't really see any need for the state to inspect the genitals of two consenting adults before letting them get married and granting them spousal benefits.

  10. Re:viva le WIKILEAKS by Rakarra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are you even making a "conservatism is bad" argument here? It's the left that has been the side more firmly in favor of vigorous copyright controls and enforcement, and it's the more leftist administration that is making this more of a priority. Liberal vs Conservative is not necessarily drawn in "non-moneyed interests versus moneyed interest" lines, nor does it mean that the left is not cozy to some big business interests. They are very interested in vigorous government pre-emptive intervention on the part of the media conglomerates.

  11. Re:viva le WIKILEAKS by fishexe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the left that has been the side more firmly in favor of vigorous copyright controls and enforcement, and it's the more leftist administration that is making this more of a priority.

    Which left? Where? Oh, you mean the Democratic party. Yeah, those guys who kept ripping on the "professional left" for being "too far to the left" all this past election cycle. Man, those guys are real leftists, I tell ya.

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    "I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
  12. Ya this is my problem by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I support copyright. You need to be able to make money from creative works if we want people who work on that kind of thing full time. So there has to be some kind of protection, exclusivity, otherwise you can't make money in a capitalist society. Now if you want to replace capitalism with something else, that's another issue so let's not discuss that here. However in the framework we have, we need something like copyright.

    Fine, however we need to recognize that it IS an artificial construct, and the only reason we have it is to, as the Constitution says "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts." Well to best do that it needs to be a reasonably limited period. That ensures a few things:

    1) You can't just make money forever by doing one thing. If you wish to continue to make money, you'll have to continue to make new works.

    2) It ensures works get distributed, not locked away. When they are under copyright you want to distribute it so you can make money for the short period permitted, and after that anyone can distribute it.

    3) It allows for others to build on existing works. Creativity does not exist in a vacuum, we build on idea from the past. When idea enter the public domain it allows them to be used as the foundations of new ones.

    So I agree, we need a shorter copyright term. Personally I'd do it something like thus:

    Upon the creation of a work you get an automatic 10 year copyright, no work required. This means that even if you create something you don't think has value, but realize later it does you aren't screwed. During this time you have unlimited control and rights over the work. You do as you please with it. At the end of 10 years you have three choices:

    1) Do nothing, the work then falls in to the public domain.

    2) Register for an exclusive extension. You then receive another 10 years of exclusive, unlimited control. After that the work will be public domain.

    3) Register for a non-exclusive extension. You then receive another 30 years of rights, however you are required to license derivative works for a standardized fee to all that want it. You can profit from your work, and from the derivatives, but you MUST license it for derivatives and the fee you get is fixed.

    My objection now is this forever copyright thing we've got going.

  13. Re:viva le WIKILEAKS by CookieForYou · · Score: 4, Informative

    While the Obama administration may be "liberal" when it comes to social service programs (and he's a centrist by global standards), that is really the extent of it. He is FAR to the right of most world leaders on "law and order", war, business regulations, government structures, etc.

    The fact that the republicans are even further right doesn't decry "liberalism" but rather just points out the fact that our "democrats" are further right of most countries "conservatives" on most topics, and far from being "communists" (which is just inane, when that is trotted out).

    The "liberal" viewpoint is to support communal goods and individual liberty over corporate good and profit EVERY TIME. This is a conservative ideology, even if our democrat centrist (again, by global standards) government is in favor of it.

  14. Re:I hate to sound like Sarah Palin by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Informative

    The only problem with that assertion is that between insurance and out of pocket expenses the US is already paying more per capita in health care than all those socialist countries for services that for the average consumer are worse.

  15. Pharmaceutical drugs? really? by AdamWill · · Score: 2

    never mind the debate about whether it's right to aggressively 'protect' the rights of pharma companies, did anyone actually see any pharmaceutical sites at all in the initial list of seized domains? I only remember file sharing sites and counterfeit fashion stuff.

    Sounds like the classic PR tactic to me: cite the most horrible possible thing your new law could be used to prevent, when it's actually going to be used for something entirely different. 'We need these CCTV cameras to protect us from child-molesting terrorists! (oh, but we're also going to use them to have you sent to Guantanamo Bay for parking illegally. But don't think about that too hard.)'