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President Obama On Mythbusters Tonight
elrous0 writes "As was previously reported, President Obama mentioned back in October that he would be appearing on an upcoming episode of the popular Discovery Channel series Mythbusters. Well, the episode is finally airing tonight. In the episode, the President helps Jamie and Adam test the 'Archimedes Death Ray' myth for a 3rd time (the myth having been 'busted' the first time, and that bust surviving a challenge from MIT students the second time out). Though the President only appears in a couple of brief scripted segments, the actual test (using 500 schoolkids doubling as mirror-bearing soldiers) is purportedly pretty interesting."
So do they test it on him ?
Most of humanity appears to thoroughly enjoy the pastime of hero worship. This seems to be widespread enough that we might want to investigate whether there is some evolutionary advantage to it. Maybe kissing ass provides some sort of inoculation against disease.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
I like Obama and love Mythbusters (or used to). What a lame duck of a Myth. That Myth wasn't even very exciting the first time they did it, let alone the second, and now a third time?! If they're going to have Obama on it then why can't we see him getting his hands dirty? What better way to get people excited about science by showing a man a lot of people respect excited about it?
Busted!
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A: They'll tell you.
I find it odd that The Discovery Channel would get access to the President and use their huge publicity opportunity to... rehash a myth they've already debunked twice. What?
The only possible reason to use this particular myth is so you can get 500 kids involved, each holding a mirror, and maybe involving the kids directly in the science, plus a little time with a few celebrities, will help associate science with coolness. I mean, it's an easy and pretty safe myth from the kids' perspectives. Hold a mirror, aim reflection at ship a safe distance away, hope for it to start smoking and burst into flames.
I dunno, though, it just seems like they could have done something new (at least new to the show) that would be just as engaging. Like debunking the professor's use of coconuts to power a radio on Gilligan's Island or something.
Adam: "So, as you can see, stirring the solution in 5 coconuts didn't work. Busted."
Jamie: "Agreed. Busted. So what are we testing next?"
Barak: [walks on stage]"Wait a minute. We can't stop here, can we? Don't we need to scale it up?"
Jamie: "Sure, normally, but how do we scale this one up?"
Adam: "It'll take the output of 500 coconuts! Where are we going to find enough people to build and operate hundreds of coconut batteries? It's impossible!"
Barak: "Fortunately, I brought a few friends along to help out. C'mon out, kids!"
[cue 500 schoolkids]
Barak, Jamie, and Adam: "SCIENCE!"
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Why not frikkin' lasers?
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So that's what kids' science education is boiling down to? Standing still and holding a mirror?
Would have been much more awesome, and effective in encouraging science interest, in my opinion, if the kids had a hand in making something go boom.
Unless they have a major reversal of the busting of the myth, a kid would interpret this as "This is stupid. Science doesn't work. Let's go play Xbox."
More Twoson than Cupertino
Who cares, wheres Kari?
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
Imagine how much more people would support for their favorite football team (or condemn the opponents) if they could affect the outcome of the game?
Many already think they do. Aside from the delusional, on a very small scale, via purchases of tickets and tee shirts, they do influence the winners, since the wealthiest team usually wins.
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
I still want to see a MythBusters special on transportation security myths, especially after Adam's recent knife incident. Can someone with an account on their forums post the suggestion (preferably more than one such someone)?
So when a libertarian's house is on fire and the firefighters show up, do they say "No, that's ok, I'm a libertarian."?
Sounds like we're getting screwed on this Archimedes thing.
Michael Reed, freelance tech writer.
If you're gonna rag on them, rag on the fact that the fucking narrator spends a minute explaining what happen, another minute on what they're going to do, another on what could go wrong, replete with puns, three minutes of actually showing Adam and Jamie or Kari, Grant, and Tori doing stuff, then, just as things are progressing, they switch to the other team and their myth and start all over, and THEN follows it up with two minutes of what's going to happen after the commercial break.
Drives me nuts (and away from the TV).
Of all the myths they've 'busted', this is the one I most wanted to see revisited.
Survival kits have signal mirrors with a sighting mechanism and no moving parts that allows the user to shine the sun's reflection directly onto the target (even a distant moving airplane). A mechanism Archimedes could have fashioned onto a shield for instance.
The Mythbusters claim the myth was 'busted' not because enough heat couldn't be generated, but because an individual soldier would be unable to distinguish his particular 'reflected spot', and therefore be unable to focus it onto the target. A simple sighting mechanism like those found on signal mirrors solves this problem, allowing an entire group to focus on one point simultaneously.
The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
Perhaps the "science" that is being taught is that, despite the fact that your research has reached the same conclusion on 2 separate occasions, you need to keep yourself open to the possibility that you might just have been wrong twice. When other people provide evidence you are wrong (I don't recall where it was, but I saw a tv show or webpage in the last few months that demonstrated the death ray does work), you need to examine that evidence, revisit your study, and see if you reach a new conclusion. That's a quality that a lot of people lack these days (they will insist they are correct even when showing them clear and concise evidence they are wrong).
Was your mirror made of crude polished copper, a couple of hundred feet away, aimed at a moving ship on the water?
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
1) I don't care for career politicians, regardless of the label they wear. Having any political idiot come out and do a talking-head segment adds absolutely nothing to the program.
2) Testing this myth yet again is just f'ing stupid.
I wonder how many people will avoid watching it just because of obama's appearance, and how many will skip this one because of the repeated subject.
One day, some old-timey soldier noticed that he could reflect the sun off his shield if he polished it real good and it made it hard for the enemy to see if he reflected the sun into the eyes of enemy soldiers. Same way we used to reflect the sun off our watches and shine it in people's faces when we were kids. So a few soldiers started doing this when the sun happened to be at the proper angle and, presto, we've got a death ray. 'cause the enemy has to come up with some reason to explain why they got their asses kicked so easily. "It was a death ray, majesty! It burned the eyes of our soldiers and set ships on fire!"
Or just go to a hotel in Vegas...
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
That used to annoy the hell out of me too, until I realized my remote had a fast forward button. Now, it's actually a feature. I can watch a whole show in 20 minutes. Great while having breakfast.
appearing on Different Strokes. Painfully lame. Politicians can't make science cool because kids don't think much of politicians. If they do, then I'm afraid you are likely preaching to the choir.
46 & 2
So when a libertarian's house is on fire and the firefighters show up, do they say "No, that's ok, I'm a libertarian."?
Why should they? Where I live the firefighters are all volunteers working with equipment that was purchased with donations. What does that have to do with not wanting the government to do more than the basics (maintaining basic law and order, enforcing contract law, etc)?
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Agreed. When I was in high school, my chemistry teacher, Jim Fixx, let me try running a bunsen burner on gas generated by flasks of zinc and HCl.
Once.
What I learned was that there is a good reason for flashback preventers. A splendid time was had by all.
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The GP obviously lives in an urban area and thus is unaware of the existence of volunteer fire departments. His narrow world view prevents him from conceiving of a world where critical services could be provided without government largess or control.
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The fact that they're down to bitching about the moisture content of the test boat only shows how impractical this would be in real-world conditions. Complaining that their test conditions were less than ideal is part of the problem with the myth. No military leader in his right mind is going to work with a "weapon" that only works at a certain time of day, on a boat with a certain moisture content, moving slower than X speed, etc.--especially when there are far-superior alternatives available (like flaming arrows, etc.).
Those MIT students sound like sore losers. And like all sore losers, they're full of plenty of excuses. They had their chance and they couldn't deliver.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Survival kits have signal mirrors with a sighting mechanism and no moving parts that allows the user to shine the sun's reflection directly onto the target (even a distant moving airplane)
Not really. The sighting mechanism is not a "sight" in the sense of one found on rifles, etc. Its not accurate enough to hold on a target, at best it can help you get into the general area so you can sweep around this area and accidentally hit the aircraft from time to time. You may look through the sight but you still often need to hold out your free hand and form a V with your fingers. You put the target inside this V and sweep the mirror back and forth. You look for the reflections on your two fingers to make sure the line formed by these points crosses the target.
:-)
Signal mirrors are cheap. Get two, one for your backpack, boat, aircraft, etc and a second one to peal off the protective tape and play with. They are simple devices but they take a little practice, try it out with a friend in a neighborhood park, football field, etc.
Then again, perhaps I missed some great breakthrough in signal mirror technology since I was in the scouts.
We already know the President likes a human backdrop: soldiers, doctors, union members... you get the idea.
Wouldn't a backdrop of 500 kids be great? 500 kids holding mirrors, cackling gleefully as they accidentally ignite the President and his teleprompter.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Basic law and order is dealing with those who physically abuse others and fail to respect other's property rights.
I'm not quite sure where libertarians have objected to being expected to behave like a responsible human being. I think you may be mistaking libertarians for anarchists.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
I think everyone is missing the obvious: the mirror tactic might conceivably have some value, even if it is useless as a "heat ray".
Fire and ships and war were not new. The Greeks knew plenty about how deadly burning mixtures of liquids could be against a ship, and how to effectively employ such weapons against a ship one or two hundred feet away is really no mystery.
If the story has any truth to it, the real advantage would be to harass the eyes of the archers on the ship, thereby allowing the archers of Syracuse to calmly and accurately rain death upon the nearest ships. What that would really boil down to is that the Roman soldiers would have a hell of a time fighting the fires, while crawling on their bellies ducking arrows, their own archers already all dead.
A minor heat ray effect might plausibly help stoke the otherwise existing fires on board, even if insufficient to cause spontaneous ignition. Black sails would be a plus here.
The President's appearance in media would be more appropriate in "Jackass 4: The Movie" rather than "Myth Busters (The Myth Busted For the Third Time).
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I've never gotten why we call it ObamaCare. It was basically written by conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans (how long was it Max Baucus held up the bill in his committee until Republicans in the committee agreed to it?) But the CBO analysis was that it would help save money. And the only way to bring down the debt in the long term is to bring in more health care funding and reduce spending as much as possible. So we can at least say it was a decent attempt. Hopefully we can improve on it in the coming years.
Is the Obama administration more transparent than previous ones? Yes. Is it ultra-see-through transparent? No.
Most legislation is online before they vote on it. And has been for a while. Not that Presidents have any power over that.
Have you ever thought about falling tax receipts because of the recession? Spending could remain constant while receipts fall, sending deficits skyrocketing. This is partly the case - tax receipts have fallen, the government had to pay out more unemployment benefits (never mind the extensions), etc. But yeah. The Bush tax cuts are still in effect. The giant, gaping unfunded hole Bush left in Medicare is still intact. The wars Bush started are still going on. So yes, much of the deficit is still directly attributable to Bush and the Republicans. Now with Obama, we have the stimulus package, which consisted almost entirely of tax cuts and aid to the states, which were spending less money. So really, it was an increase in unfunded government expenditures while total state+federal spending remained flat. And then there's ObamaCare, which is funded. So, yeah, sounds like most of the deficit/debt problems are not Obama's fault.
Anyone who thought Obama was going to pull out all troops on day one was a tool ignorant of international politics.
Corporations have undue influence on government, but they're hardly the masters of poor government puppets. I know it's a popular canard, but it's just not true.
Is Obama different? Nope, he's a thorough moderate. 30 years ago he would have been called a conservative.
Maybe challenging the claim that the current administration is going to help save money with Obamacare? (Busted?)
It's already busted: look at the latest health stats out in Massachusetts. Our health care costs are through the roof, fewer people are able to see doctors than before, and more people than ever before are getting health care through the emergency room.
On the other hand, adult obesity rates are apparently down, so that's something, although I suppose if you can't afford to eat due to insane health care costs... (Childhood obesity, on the other hand, is up.)
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Wow, it's so annoying to hear Obama-teleprompter jokes. Especially since they're from formerly disinterested morons who never realized that all politicians use them for speeches anyway. "But-but-he stutters and sounds like an idiot without one!" Remember the Presidential debates where he kicked the crap out of McCain 3-0 without one, or the open questions session with the House Republicans where he made the whole caucus look like buffoons (enough so that they publicly wished they hadn't done it)? After listening to polished PR-approved answers that provide no insight, I at least appreciate a President who tries to answer questions however much I might disagree with him.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
if you DQ'd Obama you'd logically have to DQ McCain.
No, that would be illogical.
English common law (on which the US laws were loosely based) specifically ruled that children of diplomats, foreign agents, and invading military forces were not natural born citizens of the physical country of their birth.
OTOH, it makes complete logical sense to say that the children of diplomats and our troops born while abroad are natural born citizens of the United States. It’d be a flat-out insult to them any other way. “Sorry, but since you’re serving your country abroad we’ll reward your dedication by making your child ineligible to ever run for President.”
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My God! The first modded up comment is about politics and not about the show at all, even though the show and Obama's appearance are completely apolitical! I am shocked! SHOCKED!
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That's what you got from the post? Teleprompter jokes? Are you 'disinterested' in the rather poignant insight to Obama's repeated tactic of gathering a group of 'X' people who appear to support him with unwavering resolve? You didn't happen to note the manipulation of perceptions? And it didn't even cross your mind that this is occuring in the middle of several national crisis which one might think would warrant greater attention from our President than a rather transparent publicity stunt?
"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,..." - Nancy Pelosi
Will he bring his Birth Suffaticket? :-)
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Never been known to fail..."
"rather poignant insight" Lol. This isn't "Obama's repeated tactic," every president has done this kind of thing. And every president does media events, makes appeals, etc. And the fact that you think for the 120 minutes he spent on set, there was no one behind the wheel (so-to-speak) of the country, shows just how ignorant you are. Ugh, these Fox News talking points have spread way too far.
We already know the President likes a human backdrop: soldiers, doctors, union members... you get the idea.
Is there a politician alive who doesn't prefer a backdrop of "supporters" whenever they can arrange one?
"E pluribus unum" or "Out of many, one" is amazingly good compared to the actual one. In your place i would protest so it return to that 1782 dictum. "In God We Trust" sound a lot like something the Islamic Republic of Iran would choose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum
It worked in 1973. Range was only 50m, but any experiments should be based off this one rather than Adam And Jamie's failures