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Scientists Discover Solar Powered Hornets

adeelarshad82 writes "The oriental hornet is more active during the day, and tends to become even more active as the temperature rises. And now scientists have discovered the reason: the hornets are solar powered. It turns out that the distinctive yellow stripe on the hornet's abdomen is actually full of tiny protrusions that gather sunlight and harness it for energy. The insect also features a special pigment, called xanthopterin, that helps with the process."

177 comments

  1. Oh no.... by JDeane · · Score: 3, Funny

    I for one welcome our solar powered insect overlords?

    1. Re:Oh no.... by Sovetskysoyuz · · Score: 1

      No need to suck up to them, just wait for a cloudy day and the resistance will triumph.

    2. Re:Oh no.... by sadness203 · · Score: 1

      You mean, they will enslave us and harvest our energy!

    3. Re:Oh no.... by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 4, Funny

      What we know for sure is that we did this to the sky, it was believed at the time that the hornets used solar power as their main energy source...

    4. Re:Oh no.... by zippthorne · · Score: 2

      They get their powers from our yellow sun?

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    5. Re:Oh no.... by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 2

      Quick! Turn off the sun!

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    6. Re:Oh no.... by TheBlackMan · · Score: 0

      Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of thes.... oh, wait.

    7. Re:Oh no.... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Does that mean they have a super sense of humor?

    8. Re:Oh no.... by ocdscouter · · Score: 1

      Just let me get my lead box out...

    9. Re:Oh no.... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0

      Helmets? Solar power?

      It seems an obvious bit of engineering, really. Hardly worth the description as a "discovery."

      What's that you say? Helmet? No?

      Oh. Hornet! Heh...

      Well, nevermind that, then.

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    10. Re:Oh no.... by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 0

      In Sovjet Russia hornets power the sun!

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    11. Re:Oh no.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...just like everyfuckingthing else

    12. Re:Oh no.... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      How long before some inventor dude accidentally crosses their dna with his own and ends up a solar powered terror?

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    13. Re:Oh no.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhhahahaha!!! Nice.

  2. Chrysler? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Now in the electric car business, too!?!

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    1. Re:Chrysler? by arcsimm · · Score: 1

      Nah, you're thinking of AMC.

    2. Re:Chrysler? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Heh! I a'int thinkin' that far back!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Hornet

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    3. Re:Chrysler? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Those modding this person offtopic are obviously still in high school or middle school.

      Quit focusing on one subject and broaden your horizons, please. Maybe you'd catch the reference, then.

      Pardon me while I go drive my Mercer.

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  3. Solar powered eh... by mswhippingboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Guess that would make one a "green" hornet...

    Sorry, couldn't resist...

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    1. Re:Solar powered eh... by MarkRose · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ouch, that one stung.

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    2. Re:Solar powered eh... by monkyyy · · Score: 0

      puns are pun-tastic

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    3. Re:Solar powered eh... by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Green" does seem to be a buzzword these days.

    4. Re:Solar powered eh... by lan+O'Nymous · · Score: 2

      Which would explain the popularity of Vespas.

    5. Re:Solar powered eh... by brusk · · Score: 1

      Especially among WASPs.

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    6. Re:Solar powered eh... by skine · · Score: 1

      Shocking!

    7. Re:Solar powered eh... by binaryseraph · · Score: 1

      Makes me pretty hornety.

    8. Re:Solar powered eh... by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

      This one is buzz worthy.

    9. Re:Solar powered eh... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I don't know but if they are anything like the wasps we get in the south they are sure pissy during the day, maybe the extra energy makes them grouchy? I'd love to know what kind it is we get around here because the wiki says southern wasps are about a half inch long, but especially around farms we get these really big bastards that live in holes in the ground and I swear are bigger around than a man's thumb and SERIOUSLY bad tempered! They are heavy enough I have seen them make ping dents on the hood of a 70s Chevy when fighting. Apparently they are territorial as hell and do NOT like it when others wasps come near. real nasty buggers and a real bitch to get rid of.

      As for TFA it really doesn't surprise me, the better our tech gets the more things we learn. If it is one thing we should have learned by now on this crazy little ball is life comes in infinite varieties and pretty much anything that can be used for food or energy has probably been tried probably a dozen times over in the natural kingdom. Hell we've found things that live on methane, live at depths that crush reinforced steel like a cheap beer can, why not solar? It is after all the most abundant energy source we have on the planet.

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    10. Re:Solar powered eh... by cvnautilus · · Score: 4, Funny

      They couldn't get enough energy from pollen, so they moved to plan bee.

    11. Re:Solar powered eh... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      that stung.

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    12. Re:Solar powered eh... by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1
      Q: What's yellow and solar-powered?

      A: Superlemon.

    13. Re:Solar powered eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, She doesn't look druish.

    14. Re:Solar powered eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite the "Bees-knees" of hornets...

    15. Re:Solar powered eh... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      You're either talking European Hornets or Cicada killers. European hornets have the odd characteristic of banging against windows at night, trying to get at the light inside. We call them "Buck Hornets" in Central Virginia. Contrary to popular belief, their sting isn't too different from a normal wasp.

      Cicada killers are also very large, but are very unlikely to sting you (females can but are reluctant to do so, males are incapable).

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    16. Re:Solar powered eh... by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Ouch, that one stung

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    17. Re:Solar powered eh... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Well the size looks about right, but on both of those they say they are very NON aggressive, and the AR farm wasps are just the opposite: Those suckers have NO problem tearing you a new ass if you get close to their nests, especially during dog days, which is late July to late August. The ones around here have also been seen (inculding with my very own peepers) engaging is "wars" where if two groups covet a particular nesting ground they will tear into each other.

      Since they say the cicada killer (boy do we have cicadas around here, when it is a cicada year the things are thick as thieves) doesn't have a stinger my guess is it is the former and maybe have gotten more dangerous due to pesticides. Here thanks to the God damned Kudzu and other invasive pest weeds the farmers are aggressive sprayers and I was told by a local doc the bees and wasps have adapted and the toxins make their stings MUCH more dangerous. I know I have taken care of animals that got stung by one of these suckers and the thing looks worse than getting a snake bite.

      I just got lucky when I was a kid as I nearly wandered into their territories more times than I can count only to be herded away by my border collie. I think that dog spent more time herding my dumb kid ass than anything else, but while many of the other kids would end up in ER at least once due to ground wasps, snake bites, wild animal bites, etc old Ruffles kept my dumb kid ass away from anything that would mess me up. Man I miss that dog.

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  4. What does the wasp do with it? by plover · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since xanthopterin converts light directly into electricity, according to the research, what exactly does the wasp do with the electricity produced? Does it directly excite muscles? Is there a tiny capacitor in the abdomen that dumps the energy into pulling the wings down?

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    1. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by mswhippingboy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      What do you think? It uses it to charge it's tiny little smart phone!
      (probably a T12 Wasp http://www.planetoidandroid.com/2010/08/wasp-t12-phone-for-android/ )

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    2. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I scanned the document but it seems to end at the point where the energy is collected. The don't seem to suggest how it could be used.

    3. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 1

      They say that they presume at least some of it is used for energy. The final claim, then, that the pigment is the main metabolic source, seems shakey, but it's probably safe, but not scientific, to say that the wasp wouldn't harvest sunlight and turn it into electricity just for shits n giggles. More work clearly remains to be done.

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    4. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since when does photosynthesis require the main power output to be electricity specifically?

    5. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Brings to mind the Platypus which uses electricity to locate prey. Maybe hornets use electric potentials as a sensory input.

    6. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Kenoli · · Score: 1

      Can wasps giggle?

    7. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since xanthopterin converts light directly into electricity, according to the research, what exactly does the wasp do with the electricity produced? Does it directly excite muscles? Is there a tiny capacitor in the abdomen that dumps the energy into pulling the wings down?

      Presumably it would use the electrons generated in a redox reaction which generate ATP which is the basic power supply of the cell.

      Of course, this is all very hypothetical and hand waving at this point. However, if real, it could be a Big Deal - now you have another molecule, aside from the chlorophyll complex that can take photons and use them in cellular reactions. Photosynthesis is quite a bit more efficient that photovoltaic cells - assuming that this really does produce electrons at the end of the reaction and it's similarly efficient, or even just easier to copy / clone / manipulate, we might yet have a decent solar to electricity system.

      One of these days.

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    8. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      The big question in my mind: what's the efficiency, and can it be produced in bulk?

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    9. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Abstract
      The Oriental hornet worker correlates its digging activity with solar insolation. Solar radiation passes through the epicuticle, which exhibits a grating-like structure, and continues to pass through layers of the exo-endocuticle until it is absorbed by the pigment melanin in the brown-colored cuticle or xanthopterin in the yellow-colored cuticle. The correlation between digging activity and the ability of the cuticle to absorb part of the solar radiation implies that the Oriental hornet may harvest parts of the solar radiation. In this study, we explore this intriguing possibility by analyzing the biophysical properties of the cuticle. We use rigorous coupled wave analysis simulations to show that the cuticle surfaces are structured to reduced reflectance and act as diffraction gratings to trap light and increase the amount absorbed in the cuticle. A dye-sensitized solar cell (DSSC) was constructed in order to show the ability of xanthopterin to serve as a light-harvesting molecule.

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    10. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by plover · · Score: 1

      Cloning the power cells would be interesting, and was the first thing I thought of when I saw it, too. I'm sure they could find the genes to splice to produce the xanthopterin in another organism, such as a conveniently non-flying and non-stinging pine tree. But without the insect's sophisticated chitin structure to collect the energy I suspect much of it would be wasted; and that's only if there's enough light energy to start the reaction at all.

      But the thought of hooking electrodes up to a Frankentree and hanging LEDs from the branches just kind of amuses me.

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    11. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by carnalforge · · Score: 1

      It's used for the sound.

      Sorry, couldn't resist

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    12. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Malcolm+Chan · · Score: 1

      From the original paper:

      The xanthopterin pigment found within the cuticle has been proven to be a suitable absorber of light for the harvesting of solar energy by a demonstration of its use in an organic solar cell, with a conversion efficiency of 0.335%.

      I assume this was just a "proof of concept" organic solar cell, so the efficiency could probably be increased, but 0.335% doesn't sound like much!

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    13. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      One of these days.

      Bang, zoom, straight to the Moon!

    14. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Photosynthesis is quite a bit more efficient that photovoltaic cells

      Uh no. Photosynthesis efficiency varies from 0.1% to 8%. Solar panels go from 6% to 41%. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis#Efficiency .

    15. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Nikker · · Score: 1
      The yellow energy absorbing area on the "end" of the wasp is known as the "fat body" apparently the converted energy stimulates the metabolism of fat causing the wasp to do more work. The majority of fat on this wasp is stored here. FTA:

      Until now, insects were thought to perform metabolism in an organ known as the fat body, which performs a similar function to the human liver. Most of the fat body is in an insect's abdomen surrounding the gut, where it can quickly take up absorbed nutrients, though some is scattered elsewhere.

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    16. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      yeah, from what I hear, we have near term potential for 20% panels that are fairly cheap to make.

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    17. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      A self-lighting Christmas tree?

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    18. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what if they do it wrong and get a flying, stinging pine tree? Just saying :-)

    19. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

      Only if you tickle them.

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    20. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Every example we have creates electricity, and it is probably a requirement, since the light interferes only with electrons... Maybe there is an organism that does it purely by chemical reactions, but every one I'm aware of turns the light into electricity (on a stable molecule), conduct it to some other place (a molecule that changes form) and use that later place to make some endotermic reaction happen.

    21. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by theskunkmonkey · · Score: 1

      One of these days.

      I'm going to cut you into little pieces.

    22. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Brings to mind the Platypus which uses electricity to locate prey.

      You know, every time someone says anything about a platypus, I find myself thinking "WTF?".

      Egg laying mammal, with a bill, fur, a tail like a beaver, poisonous venom in a foot spike ... and now electrolocation.

      I swear, it really is the most bizarre of critters I can imagine. If there is a god, and he did create everything ... the platypus was created immediately after a heavy dose of mescaline or something! It's like a collection of spare parts.

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    23. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Self powered live Christmas trees? When Christmas is over, plant it by your driveway!

    24. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it just shows that God has an odd sense of humor.

    25. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That one's our fault. When we were buying up all the aviation firms in the 1580's (just after the Dinosauria bubble burst) we formed a comitee to see what we could do with the technology. They were supposed to be working towards what would now be recognized as a duck, but got a little off mission. The platypus is the result of that work.

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    26. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Actually, it just shows that God has an odd sense of humor.

      Or that nature is incredibly complex.

      The platypus doesn't show us anything about "God".

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    27. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      More work clearly remains to be done.

      And speaking of work, more work is done by the hornets in the middle of the day, indicating that their energy production model is different from other hornets. This makes their conclusion that the electricity is used for energy somehow not much of a stretch.

      Keep in mind, chlorophyll's primary purpose in plants is to free electrons, which allows plants to make sugar. I'd be unsurprised to find that the electrons freed by the hornet don't have a similar purpose.

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    28. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by lrdplatypus · · Score: 1

      You called?

    29. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Iskender · · Score: 1

      The platypus doesn't show us anything about "God".

      This isn't a faith vs. science/anything else discussion. Learn to read the mood.

    30. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Iskender · · Score: 1

      Pine needles already sting if you touch them the wrong way so the difference won't be that great.

    31. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Since we observed the actual quantum interactions of light with chlorophyll and understood that to be the required output.

      The same observation led to my building a fodder production system that requires no light but instead uses highly-tuned electrical pulses to achieve the same effect at MUCH higher efficiencies.

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    32. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "However, if real, it could be a Big Deal - now you have another molecule, aside from the chlorophyll complex that can take photons and use them in cellular reactions."

      No, not really, as we are quite aware of many other complimentary pigments and structures that compliment the photosynthetic system. Erythromycin, phycocyanin, etc. A bigger discovery was our recent discovery of an IR photosynthesizing chloroplast, which we thought impossible previously due to the low energy/voltage potential of IR light.

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    33. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by HizookRobotics · · Score: 1

      There are numerous examples of electric field sensing fish too. They have electroreceptors along their dorsal line that they use to "see" in murky waters. Now, engineers are starting to replicate the sensors for use on robots -- pretty cool stuff.

    34. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Photosynthesis efficiency varies from 0.1% to 8%."

      Only in sunlight driven systems, just FYI, following the stated source. In targeted wavelength systems, this is absolutely nowhere near the case.

      In LED driven systems, photosynthetic efficiency jumps double to nearly quadruple that, tested over and over again in multiple of my systems. We can push it as far as nearly 50% efficiency before we hit maximum saturation if we pulse the light instead of a solid steady output.

      See, what mainly limits efficiency is the rate at which chlorophyll degrades and regenerates. When it processes energy, it rips itself apart and gets rebuilt. This is how light bleaching happens, too much light, too much photosynthesis, the plant can't regenerate chlorophyll as fast as it's producing energy, and it 'burns' out.

      Stop relying upon wikipedia. It's so outdated as of now for my field of research that they might as well delete the entire section from their site.

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    35. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Plus it's a monotreme, meaning it only has one "exit hole", like birds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloaca). No separate urine/feces/reproductive tracts. Plus they have 10 sex chromosomes (and their X chromosome resembles the sex chromosome of birds)

      Just weird weird weird!

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    36. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by YenTheFirst · · Score: 1

      "Photosynthesis efficiency varies from 0.1% to 8%."

      Only in sunlight driven systems, just FYI, following the stated source. In targeted wavelength systems, this is absolutely nowhere near the case.

      Grandparent's post is about solar->electric cells. At some point, you have to start at the sun. What's the point of discussing targeted wavelength systems here? "Only in sunlight driven systems" . . . isn't every solar panel "only sunlight driven" ?

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    37. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Photosynthetic efficiency deals with biological systems, such as plants, and now possibly this species of hornet.

      What you are thinking of is photovoltaic efficiency.

      GP is talking about photosynthesis, which is what I responded to.

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    38. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or better yet, you could update wikipedia with the latest research so that anyone who uses it won't be outdated : )

    39. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not update the Wikipedia entry then Khyber?

      Also, when sunlight is the medium for solar-powered devices, how can you look at any other source and say that makes it more efficient? It's like saying if you run your car on a low grade of petrol it's less efficient than when you run your car on premium fuel.

    40. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      It always gets removed as "original research."

      I re-stress, Wikipedia is better off just deleting the section in its entirety. It's so outdated and full of incorrect information that it will take them an easy ten years to even catch up to the state of the Agricultural industry, and by then, we'll have likely made many more major breakthroughs.

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    41. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      You have to know how plants work in order to understand the answer to your question.

      The WHOLE conversation I replied to involved PHOTOSYNTHESIS. Not photovoltaics.

      And as I stated above - Wikipedia removes original research without citations. You can't cite yourself and be taken seriously, even if you are the one with the top lead in the field.

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    42. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had a bit to drink, but does that mean that we could collect sunlight with solar panels, use the energy to power LEDs, and get vastly improved crop yields over letting plants collect sunlight directly? Because that would be completely awesome.

    43. Re:What does the wasp do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so as soon as you figure out how to pulse the sun or convert all solar output to a single wavelength, we'll go with artificial photosynthesis. Until then, our current photovoltaic technologies are 10x as efficient, or more.

  5. journal article by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's unfortunately paywalled, but in case anyone has access to a library with a subscription, the journal article this news article is about is:

    Plotkin et al. (2010). Solar energy harvesting in the epicuticle of the oriental hornet (Vespa orientalis). Naturwissenschaften 97(12): 1067-1076.

    1. Re:journal article by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's unfortunately paywalled, but in case anyone has access to a library with a subscription, the journal article this news article is about is:

      Plotkin et al. (2010). Solar energy harvesting in the epicuticle of the oriental hornet (Vespa orientalis). Naturwissenschaften 97(12): 1067-1076.

      The full text works for me and I'm not in a library or anywhere else with a journal subscription.

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    2. Re:journal article by Xaositecte · · Score: 2

      works for me too, I figured it was because I was on campus though...

      From the 'Results' Section:

      "Previous studies have shown diffusion potential across the
      cuticle, with the inside negative with respect to the outside.
      Digby (1965) has suggested that electrons move through the
      semiconductive cuticular layer. This process creates calcium
      carbonate that precipitates in the cuticle. In conclusion, we
      have presented evidence supporting the hypothesis that the
      Oriental hornet has evolved a cuticle design to harvest solar
      energy. RCWA simulations show that the surface structures
      confer AR and light-trapping properties, enhancing absorption
      by approximately 5% compared to a flat surface. The
      xanthopterin pigment found within the cuticle has been
      proven to be a suitable absorber of light for the harvesting of
      solar energy by a demonstration of its use in an organic solar
      cell, with a conversion efficiency of 0.335%. Future work
      will focus in investigating the complex layered structure
      observed in the cuticle cross-sections, and its possible role in
      solar energy harvesting."

      It seems like this paper was concerned solely with establishing whether the Wasp actually collects solar energy, not where it goes once it's been collected. The reference to "This process creates calcium carbonate that precipitates in the cuticle. " Is about the only thing I could describe as the 'end result' of the process, and doesn't mean a whole lot to me.

      Someone with a better background in chemistry or biology care to comment?

    3. Re:journal article by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh, interesting, sorry for the mis-labeling then. It worked for me, but I'm on a campus that subscribes to Springer journals, which are usually paywalled, so I assumed it was paywalled.

      It looks like Naturwissenschaften is part of a "Springer OpenChoice" program where authors can choose to make their paper open-access by paying Springer $3,000, which these authors must've done I guess? I rarely see anyone pay those fees in my field (computer science), but I've heard that in biology grants are more willing to pay such fees.

    4. Re:journal article by tsa · · Score: 2

      The scientific literature world is pretty strange. Usually you pay around 90$ per page to get your article published in a paid journal. The journal doesn't have to do much for that. The reviewers work for free so they only have to send some letters around and do the typesetting. To have the article 'in the open' you pay a staggering 3000$ for which they do nothing! Amazing

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    5. Re:journal article by hotdoghead · · Score: 1

      Some institutions and universities cover the OpenChoice cost for the authors.

    6. Re:journal article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      paying the $3k can be called an investment in future funding for biology studies. honestly, $3k is cheap for all of the buzz that this is generating. a good discovery like this can generate lab funding for years.

    7. Re:journal article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a rational explanation: a journal with a good reputation is a sampo. Its owners can sit on their thumbs and it grinds out salt, flour, and gold all day.

      A less mythical explanation is that the reputation of the journal is an asset that generates economic rent. People want their work published in a reputable journal and are willing to pay for that and you can't make a new reputable journal overnight so they don't have to worry about new competitors undercutting them.

    8. Re:journal article by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      The scientific literature world is pretty strange. Usually you pay around 90$ per page to get your article published in a paid journal. The journal doesn't have to do much for that. The reviewers work for free so they only have to send some letters around and do the typesetting. To have the article 'in the open' you pay a staggering 3000$ for which they do nothing! Amazing

      That's pretty short-sighted. I've helped building a system for a well-known publisher which "sends some letters around" as you so succinctly describe. We've worked for it for two years, with a 10+ people team at the project peak.

      But perhaps you can do the job for free.

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    9. Re:journal article by tsa · · Score: 1

      They don't have to do it for free, considering the outrageous fees they collect for subscriptions to their journals. The way I see it, having a popular scientific journal is just raking in money. But maybe someone can convince me that that is not the case.

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    10. Re:journal article by jemtallon · · Score: 1

      ...for all of the buzz that this is generating.

      I see what you did there

    11. Re:journal article by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      To suggest there's not much work behind it, well, you start thinking about the organization (in manpower as well as capital) necessary for running a publishing system.

      Such a system needs a petabyte-sized database system system, including (S)FTP/rsync/tunneled/VPN'ed connectors which connect to many different kinds of users. These users need a rights management system for printers, typesetters, authors, reviewers and their managers. The content themselves can be in all sorts of different stages, from scanned hand written (yes, some profs write their papers by hand) to peer-reviewed to print ready, and this has to be reflected in the database. A helpdesk is necessary to handle the user management, a sales desk is necessary to talk to customers, and purchasers to handle printer and typesetter relations.

      Sure, there's good money to be made. But you also need to make a good amount of costs.

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  6. Solar power, all the buzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It stings with curiosity.

  7. Not a unique ability by scdeimos · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From TFA:

    The Oriental hornet has a unique ability to harvest solar energy, scientists have discovered.

    Not true. Many marine organisms use Zooanthella to harvest solar energy. This is why a number of corals and anemone are very difficult to keep in marine aquariums - the spectrum and power of artificial light has to be "just right" otherwise the organisms eject their zooantehlla cells and as a result starve to death over the following weeks or months.

    1. Re:Not a unique ability by khallow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not true. Many marine organisms use Zooanthella to harvest solar energy. This is why a number of corals and anemone are very difficult to keep in marine aquariums - the spectrum and power of artificial light has to be "just right" otherwise the organisms eject their zooantehlla cells and as a result starve to death over the following weeks or months.

      It's worth noting here that this is a symbiotic relationship between two species. It appears that the hornets may have a novel mechanism that isn't the result of symbiosis.

    2. Re:Not a unique ability by slew · · Score: 0

      Not sure that you can equate certain marine organism host requirements to enslave certain species of Zooanthalla forcing them to photosynthesis food (sugars) for the host with having a native ability of an organism to harvest solar energy directly, but nice try...

    3. Re:Not a unique ability by robi5 · · Score: 2

      There was also a report on a sea snail which had chlorophyll incorporated in its body, giving it a green color and energy source:
      http://www.google.hu/m/search?site=images&source=mog&hl=hu&gl=hu&client=safari&q=sea%20snail%20clorophyll#i=3

  8. Link to the original research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here you go. Appears to be free.

      http://www.springerlink.com/content/w657861740333733/

      http://www.springerlink.com/content/w657861740333733/fulltext.pdf

    Go ahead and tear away at it. I know you want to.

  9. hornet matrix by __aaeuwj6541 · · Score: 1

    so if we get millions of hornets and put them in a giant solar array, we get power out of them ?? do we have to jack their little hornet brain into a computer to see if we can pull a few more watts of out of them.

    1. Re:hornet matrix by confused+one · · Score: 1

      Resisting urge... failing...

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of nests of hornets.

      That hurts.

    2. Re:hornet matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine a cloud of hornets.

    3. Re:hornet matrix by ocdscouter · · Score: 1

      Imagine Microsoft purchasing that hornet cloud, and cross-breeding it with the Azure platform. Now what do we call it? Microsoft Emerald?

    4. Re:hornet matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That hurts? Nahh, it'd be more than that.

      Figure that 1 sting / second = 1 hurts; 1000 stings / second = 1 kilohurts. You could probably calculate the number of megahurts you'd get out of a Beowulf cluster of nests; you just need the number of wasps per nest.

    5. Re:hornet matrix by jemtallon · · Score: 1

      Now what do we call it?

      Business as usual

  10. This will usher in a new era of solar power... by Senes · · Score: 1

    ...which will then be promptly shot down by patent trolls.

  11. How will this influence solar power research? by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This will clearly have influence on future solar power research. I know that there are research groups trying to use insights from plant photosynthesis for building solar cells, and having another natural system that is not plant (or bacterium) based will inspire a lot of new work.

    One of the things that is most interesting is the nano-structures that are used to make light gathering more efficient. Understanding these structures could improve the efficiency of existing solar power collectors. With current genetic techniques it might even be possible to grow these structures, and perhaps even used grown material in real world applications.

    Another point is that the wasp's collection structures are yellow, not green like plant chlorophyll. The green color results from chlorophyll not using green light, but absorbing more blue end light. If the wasps look yellow, that might mean that they are efficient in a different part of the visible light spectrum.

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    1. Re:How will this influence solar power research? by blai · · Score: 2

      Maximum efficiency of a solar panel is achieved when it is black (harvesting all visible light frequencies, and possibly UV/IR), so I don't see the point of making a yellow panels because we found yellow hornets.

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    2. Re:How will this influence solar power research? by c0lo · · Score: 4, Informative
      Ideas, yes (e.g. use of patterned capture surfaces, possible multiple reflections to increase the efficiency of a cell? Maybe not quite new).

      New materials? The full text version of the article (posted by someone above), mentions a measured the conversion efficiency of a xanthopterin-sensitized TiO2 solar cell to 0.335% - clearly some more work needs to be done (e.g. other substate to senzitize?).

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    3. Re:How will this influence solar power research? by igreaterthanu · · Score: 1

      I don't see the point of making a yellow panels because we found yellow hornets.

      Combine technology that absorbs everything but green with technology that absorbs everything but yellow, perhaps?

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    4. Re:How will this influence solar power research? by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      No they just don't absorb all that much energy. The efficiency is like 0.335%.

    5. Re:How will this influence solar power research? by pspahn · · Score: 1

      I have absolutly no amount of expertise in this, but I would guess that the yellow pigments are chosen because yellow is a color of warning. Maybe it also suffers from less photodegradation as well? A combination of the two possibly makes yellow the ideal choice. I dunno, but either way I'm guess it has something to do with how yellow pigments react to light.

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    6. Re:How will this influence solar power research? by tsa · · Score: 2

      They weren't chosen. They turned out to work. Evolution is a random process, remember?

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    7. Re:How will this influence solar power research? by pspahn · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, you're right. I tend to think of the evolutionary process as a series of choices between random (but somehow predetermined) events that are likely to occur.

      It's all science, and science is kind of logical sometimes.

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    8. Re:How will this influence solar power research? by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      I have absolutly no amount of expertise in this, but I would guess that the yellow pigments are chosen because yellow is a color of warning. Maybe it also suffers from less photodegradation as well? A combination of the two possibly makes yellow the ideal choice. I dunno, but either way I'm guess it has something to do with how yellow pigments react to light.

      From our perspective, we (humans) chose yellow as a color of warning because there were lots of nasty critters with yellow/red on them that killed us. Well, technically, that killed other people while we (as a species) watched, since the dead make very few social color recommendations.

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    9. Re:How will this influence solar power research? by sjames · · Score: 1

      I have absolutly no amount of expertise in this, but I would guess that the yellow pigments are chosen because yellow is a color of warning.

      That is quite plausible. The pigment may have been just a pigment at one time and ended up dual purposed through evolution.

    10. Re:How will this influence solar power research? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      "Another point is that the wasp's collection structures are yellow, not green like plant chlorophyll. The green color results from chlorophyll not using green light, but absorbing more blue end light. If the wasps look yellow, that might mean that they are efficient in a different part of the visible light spectrum."

      That reminds me of the time I was a college freshman and, during orientation, saw some woman giving a presentation. I've forgotten most of it by now (including the original purpose of it all), but I remember her holding up a red glass filled with water and telling us that the red glass allowed the water to absorb the energies of the red light. My Science-y Sense went off and I asked "Since the glass is red, doesn't that mean it reflects red light back to our eyes? If any 'energy' is being absorbed by the water, wouldn't it be everything *except* red?" As I recall, she was none too pleased with my question and didn't want to hear questions from me for the rest of the presentation.

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    11. Re:How will this influence solar power research? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Those are called plants, well most of them.

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  12. Why only a small portion of the abomen? by khallow · · Score: 1

    One thing that puzzles me about this claim is that the light absorbing area is a relatively small part of the abdomen. If one looks at trees, you see that the leaves grow in a way that collects light rather well, with a high surface area for the infrastructure (stem, trunk, roots, etc) involved.

    Given that this is Slashdot and we're obligated by the terms of the EULA to speculate obsessively on such things, I have a few guesses. I'll assume here that the research turns out to be true (and that there's some chemical pathway from sunlight to either ATP or energy storing materials like proteins or fats). First, this is a flying insect, so there's a survival trade off between an aerodynamic body and greater light collecting area. Second, there might be heating problems associated with light absorption. Third, it might be a relatively recent evolutionary and hence, the insect hasn't yet evolved an efficient energy gathering apparatus.

    1. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      there's some chemical pathway from sunlight to [...] ATP

      Got to get my hands on that gene!

    2. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Got to get my hands on that gene!

      I'm game as long as I don't end up bright yellow.

    3. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Because what we need in the Western world is a greater energy intake into our bodies...

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    4. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile in Africa...

    5. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Maybe this explains the Simpsons.

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    6. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd look even more like a Simpsons character. That wouldn't be good for anyone.

    7. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Because genetically engineering your population to gather solar energy is cheaper than feeding them.

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    8. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by c0lo · · Score: 2
      TFA is puzzling in this respect:

      Until now, insects were thought to perform metabolism in an organ known as the fat body, which performs a similar function to the human liver.
      Most of the fat body is in an insect's abdomen surrounding the gut, where it can quickly take up absorbed nutrients, though some is scattered elsewhere.
      "We have found that the main metabolic activity in the Oriental hornet is actually in the yellow pigment layer," says Dr Plotkin.

      The full-text article, makes no mention of the "fat body" and doesn't get a hint by what reasoning this conclusion is to be derived? The correlation between sunny conditions and hornet's digging activity is not quite a strong indication to me - I mean: ants are most active when the weather is hot, yet they apparently don't relly on capturing the solar radiation.

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    9. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by kanto · · Score: 1

      Fourth, could be that the area is sufficient to fulfill the hornets needs. Fifth, maybe it's expensive for the hornet to grow this eccentric structure. Sixth, if they dig holes they'd probably like the solar panels to just be in the area that sticks out from the ground the most; depends on how directly they can harness the energy, if they can't really store it, it doesn't make sense for it to be everywhere on their body.

      p.s. dear slashdot, isn't it overkill to tell people who actually read the EULA to obsess about things?

    10. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think that it's because a hornet is a really small organism. It doesn't need that much energy. Whereas trees can get pretty big.

    11. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Humans already synthesize a biomolecule that interacts with light sources. It's called Melanin.

      Genetic engineering to utilize melanin to produce ATP would create natural evolutionary pressure to make humans darker colored, which might piss off certain "Ethnic purity" [cough, sputter] groups, but considering that being darkly colored is widely considered normal, and even attractive, I don't see this as being a problem.

    12. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it could very well be, that that small yellow area is a direction/orientation sensor. Since they hunt during daytime, and the sun is about the only omnipresent object in their environment, does does make kind of sense.

      however, it could also be that they just do not have enough energy by themselves to fly their large bodies around (in comparison to small insects). By allowing them to tap into an energy source that they do not have to carry around, they might be able to fly longer distances.

    13. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      True dat, but trees usually don't fly under their own power. The trick of pushing all that air down is quite an energy drain. The major part of their energy production is probably based on eating.

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    14. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      You'd look even more like a Simpsons character. That wouldn't be good for anyone.

      I dunno - might be a good warning to others.

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    15. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Because genetically engineering your population to gather solar energy is cheaper than feeding them.

      You could look at it as the ultimate application of the "teach a man to fish" principle, I suppose.

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    16. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      It's far more likely that the proposed solar cells serve an ancillary function (e.g., stimulating the metabolism, aiding circulation, aiding digestion), rather than being a true energy source. Even the article notes that the researchers "assume that some of the energy is transformed in a photo-biochemical process which aids the hornets with their energy demanding digging activity." If they get their energy from sunlight, and use the energy for digging underground, then far more important would be the mechanism whereby the wasps store that solar energy (if so used).

      I wonder if any other explanations were considered for why these particular wasps would be more active mid-day (many insects are less active when it is cooler). Could it relate to the conditions on the ground at different times of the day (e.g., dew on the ground in the morning, relatively drier soil mid-day)? When are its own food sources most available? When are its predators most active?

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    17. Re:Why only a small portion of the abomen? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Certainly not cheaper, but more resistant to the whims of government.

  13. No need for air? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    I wonder how they would go on Mars? Should we give it a go?

    Maybe not. Hard to see what we would send to kill the hornets if they got out of control.

    1. Re:No need for air? by mikaelwbergene · · Score: 1

      Also not sure about the benefit of creating our very own hornet overlords of Mars.

      That is if they learn to eat rocks, and then we're really boned.

    2. Re:No need for air? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you would get asphyxiated, starved, frozen hornets. what fun

  14. At last! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Now that we know how to get power we can mount lasers on hornets!

    1. Re:At last! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I ask for is frickin' hornets with frickin' laser beams mounted on their heads

    2. Re:At last! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to see hornets with head-mounted sharks that have lasers mounted on their heads.

  15. Good news, everyone! Energy crisis solved! by lennier · · Score: 4, Funny

    Soon every suburban house will have its own massive angry hornet array and all our problems will be over.

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    1. Re:Good news, everyone! Energy crisis solved! by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Soon every suburban house will have its own massive angry hornet array and all our problems will be over.

      "Hello (*ow*) Power Company? (*ow*) Yes, we have a slight (*ow*) problem here. I think our (*ow*) MAHA is leaking. Sure, I'll hold. (*OWWWWWWWWW*)"

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  16. Waspinator by hort_wort · · Score: 3, Funny

    Terrorize!

    *gets modded down*
    "Waspinator has a headache in his whole body!"

  17. Can they be implanted yet? by h00manist · · Score: 1

    It's hot as hell here, I could use some solar-powered cells on my skin.

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    1. Re:Can they be implanted yet? by gknoy · · Score: 1

      I think the wasps have already developed an implantation procedure, but animal human trials have met with some resistance. The implant donors have had some nasty side effects, too.

  18. The Wasp is a Plant? by mdmkolbe · · Score: 1

    If the wasp gets energy directly from the Sun, does that mean it is technically a plant? (See Pa'u Zotoh Zhaan on Farscape.)

    1. Re:The Wasp is a Plant? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      No. What might have to happen is an adjustment to the classification system used, but they wouldn't be plants.

      These would almost certainly still be some form of animal, they might end up being moved around, but in general plants don't relocate themselves at will in search of food.

    2. Re:The Wasp is a Plant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No more than a snake with legs is a lizard or an egg-laying mammal is a bird or reptile.

    3. Re:The Wasp is a Plant? by jisatsusha · · Score: 1

      They actively grow in the direction of and seek out sunlight. Does that not count?

    4. Re:The Wasp is a Plant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True.

      I think the best way to think of an animal vs plant argument is something like this:
      An animal can move anywhere it wants, independent of the ground below it.
      A plant, however, is stuck to the ground it was born in. If it were to leave the ground, it would almost certainly die.
      Very simplistic, but it covers everything i can think of.

    5. Re:The Wasp is a Plant? by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Not as relocation, no.

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    6. Re:The Wasp is a Plant? by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      True.

      I think the best way to think of an animal vs plant argument is something like this:
      An animal can move anywhere it wants, independent of the ground below it.
      A plant, however, is stuck to the ground it was born in. If it were to leave the ground, it would almost certainly die.
      Very simplistic, but it covers everything i can think of.

      Most algae would have difficulty with that classification. As would most basement dwellers, for that matter.

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  19. and why did I read about this on naked capitalism by cats-paw · · Score: 1

    before it got to slashdot ?

    that's just lame.

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  20. Re:What does the wasp do with it? It's a bug! by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

    The little bug uses the electricity to power its microphone, mini camera and micro radio transmitter.

  21. The question is . . . by Masterofpsi · · Score: 1

    Are any of them made of marble?

  22. Trolls by maroberts · · Score: 1

    Hide under bridges and do not come out in the sun often. Indeed, scientific research (Tolkien, The Hobbit 1937, Effects of solar radiation on Evil Humanoids) suggests that some of their light receptors go into overdrive and turn them into stone under direct sunlight.

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      The trolls will license a cloud as a workaround.

  23. Obvious solution is obvious. by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

    To tell you the truth I wonder why doesn't every non-nocturnal anymal do this, it's sounds like something very obvious prone to evolve early in multicelular animals.

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    1. Re:Obvious solution is obvious. by satuon · · Score: 1

      Evolution can't communicate knowledge this way. In human technology, when a company makes an innovation the other companies see it's good and copy it. Unrelated species can't copy each other's innovation. They can only "inherit" innovations from their parent species.

    2. Re:Obvious solution is obvious. by ledow · · Score: 1

      And in evolution, the innovations are few and far between with millions of crackpot ideas that never turn out right happening all the time (i.e. genetic defects). And it's no use saying "Hey, solar is there, let's use it!" because evolution doesn't work like that. It takes a completely random chance for an extraordinary event to happen that confers a significant advantage to the creature involved such that it will stand more chance of mating and passing said effect onwards (or at least, not detrimentally affecting the organism's normal operation) - at some point, some species of that hornet got a genetic defect that, say, allowed the sun to warm his body up a little better because he was slightly whiter than normal by a fraction of a Pantone colour difference.

      Cue several thousand or million generations later and we have a hornet that can just about absorb some energy from the sun in a purely incidental fashion with an extremely slowly crafted biological pigment (which presumably has to be "synthesized" in the hornet's body and replaced by its normal growth mechanisms) in a tiny part of its body. Chances are that solar just *isn't* that much cop compared to drinking nectar, or eating bugs, or even just eating the plants that *are* solar-powered themselves, the same thing we've discovered in terms of solar energy - although abundant, it's in a not-directly-useful form that's extremely hard to harness with even the best materials in the world designed in the best shapes and oriented in the most sunlit locations. Even the best plants in the world absorb energy at enormously slow rates per square metre and we have to cut them down by the acre after hundreds of years of growth in order to get useful energy out of them. Thus it's actually a complete fluke that a species has got to the point where they can collect enough energy in this fashion to make a use of it - because the mutation that allowed tiny, tiny fractions of a joule hit the bodies of the previous million or so generations collected managed to survive even though it was massively outweighed by every other energy source available to it. It's much more likely that it didn't confer *any* advantage for millions of years, but wasn't a disadvantage either, to get to this stage.

      And then the *majority* of what keeps an organism going isn't direct energy (which actually tends to kill it through exposure to radiation over time) but fats and sugars (which plants *can* helpfully generate for us from sunlight, soil and air). So it's like wondering why the hornets, or anything else, haven't yet evolved to the point where they just need to sit in a sunny spot and never eat, or why humans can't live off arsenic. Although possible, the extraordinary chain of events to combine several billion years of evolution from a myriad of unrelated organisms through ONLY a series of small random chances over time (at the rate of one or slightly more random mutations per generation) of a single organism, basically make it so unlikely that it wouldn't happen in a billion universes in that short timescale.

      Evolution is bloody complex. It's embarrassing that some people think we can "just copy" the end result of billions of years of evolution to solve problems, or transplant things from one species to another. It took billions of years to get it to work reliably for a reason and although there's fabulous things you can do by designing to a known plan, nothing that humans have ever constructed can even match the most basic of functions of the tiniest insect in their sustainability, efficiency or just damn intricacy. We play at "simulating" ants with the most complex supercomputers in the world and don't get close to simulating even their most basic functions - there has been millions of hours of supercomputer time dedicated to working out how to make a robot walk on two legs and still it's cutting-edge to make it do that once, reliably with materials far superior to that in any organism's leg.

      Evolution isn't something simple, or has a result that can be appli

    3. Re:Obvious solution is obvious. by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

      Why the long rant? I already know that.

      Now dramatic changes in evolution are easier in organism with few cells or even single cells, these organisms do tend to "pirate" genes or features from their prey, that how eukaryotic life captured mitochondria for instance, unless there's a reason preventing bacteriophages from absorbing chloroplasts or the like, I would have assumed such thing has already happened.

      So I'm nowhere saying that evolution has to bend to my will, I'm asking, why didn't it happen? My guess is that photosynthesis might produce toxic by products that selected it off in early animal evolution, but given we eat plants whole, I can't imagine what it could be.

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  24. YAIFOP by merikari · · Score: 1

    I for one... oh f***, RUN!

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  25. What if they mate with sharks? by peaceful_bill · · Score: 1

    I certainly don't appreciate the off-color and rancid humor bellowing around this thread like a plague.

    While I understand the role of levity and humor when contemplating our armageddon, I think a moment of serious discussion is in order here, you slackers.


    The real danger here, in my considered opinion, is what happens when the inevitable occurs? A solar powered hornet mates with a shark. I'm sure many of you don't see this, but let me paint the following highly likely scenario:

    1. Beach. Picnic. Very little breeze, about noon. Watermelon, ice tea, and some sweets.
    2. As the cloud drift overhead, and some gentle music plays, as the light dances on the water a solared powered hornet (SPH) glances towards the water
    3. There, in the water, is a shark, flexing his shark muscles and doing shark stuff
    4. The hornet, smitten, buzzes over to the shark and there is a long, deep look between the two.
    5. After a lovemaking session worthy of any major blockbuster porn flick, they leave, never to see each other again.


    Fast forward whatever the gestational period for hornets is and you've got the ULTIMATE NIGHTMARE SCENARIO.


    Screw wikileaks, friends - this is the story of the century.

  26. What we need! by nablaoperator · · Score: 1

    So, we have solar powered hornets? Now all we need: Sharks with lasers!

  27. Cool... by Loki_666 · · Score: 1

    So how long before we can have this wonderful technology? Would cut down on the food and heating bills.

  28. Yakov Smirnoff says... by broginator · · Score: 1

    "In Soviet Russia, bug has computer in it!"

    /meh, it's late...

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    1. Re:Yakov Smirnoff says... by chichilalescu · · Score: 1

      tanks. i needed that.

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    2. Re:Yakov Smirnoff says... by gknoy · · Score: 1

      tanks

      You're welcome. ;)

  29. Maybe it's a sensor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have no idea of the amount of energy these pigments may be harvesting, but it's possible that they are more used as a sensor rather than as an energy source, knowing as we do that bees and wasps use the sun as a reference for navigating.

  30. Is it possible? by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 2

    >The oriental hornet
    Are you telling all other hornets and wasps that have that yellow stripe is not solar linked....maybe they just never thought to look close enough, maybe they are all solar linked.

  31. Speculation is Sensational by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Since xanthopterin converts light directly into electricity, according to the research, what exactly does the wasp do with the electricity produced?

    The article speculates that it gives them digging energy. I'm going to be more conservative here, and postulate that it only gives them an innate sense of direction and sun intensity. All bees/wasps need to be good navigators, and since these guys dig, they'll be better off digging when the ground is somewhat dry so they don't get buried in mud tunnel collapses.

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  32. Green Hornet by BraksDad · · Score: 1

    Say it isn't so Batman. This would bee terrible news for the Green Hornet. Of course he could become invincable to the Green Lantern if he adopted the yellow alias. He might even consider switching sides.

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  33. Wow. by pyrestriker · · Score: 1

    For a second there, I thought I was the only one who saw this as a link between organism and machine.