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Beating Censorship By Routing Around DNS

jfruhlinger writes "Last month, the US gov't shut down a number of sites it claimed were infringing copyright. They did it by ordering VeriSign to change the sites' authoritative domain name servers. This revealed that DNS is subject to government interference — and now a number of projects have emerged to bypass DNS entirely."

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  1. Stupd move by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People tolerated the US controlling ICANN because we were viewed as impartial, or at least less partial than an international organization. But this raises considerable doubt as to whether or not the US should still be allowed that level of control. Which is unfortunate because historically we've had a much better record on freedom of speech than most other countries, to throw that away now so that we can preserve a dieing industry is troubling to say the least.

    1. Re:Stupd move by nomadic · · Score: 2

      There's no link or citation to what exactly these incidents involved. Just the big scary "oh noes the government did this" accusation. Was it say, pursuant to a court order after a copyright infringement trial?

  2. Old stand-by: hosts file by noidentity · · Score: 2

    There's always the old stand-by: the hosts file.

    1. Re:Old stand-by: hosts file by shmlco · · Score: 2

      And why the P2P DNS solution is going to have serious trust issues.

      Without a trusted issuing authority or external verification, how to I know that the IP address being returned for PayPal or Amazon is actually pointing to the real PayPal or Amazon?

      And not to some site in Russia that's sitting there just waiting to collect credit card numbers?

      Hell, how would I know that wikileaks.p2p is even wikileaks? Might as well hijack that one too, and ask for donations.

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    2. Re:Old stand-by: hosts file by JWSmythe · · Score: 2

      ... but ...

      The root servers hold the root zones (oddly enough)

      ftp://ftp.internic.net/domain/root.zone

      In that, there are entries for each tld.


      za. 172800 IN NS za1.dnsnode.net.
      za. 172800 IN NS disa.tenet.ac.za.
      za. 172800 IN NS nsza.is.co.za.
      za. 172800 IN NS za-ns.anycast.pch.net.
      za. 172800 IN NS sns-pb.isc.org.
      hippo.ru.ac.za. 172800 IN A 146.231.128.1
      hippo.ru.ac.za. 172800 IN AAAA 2001:4200:1010:0:0:0:0:1
      disa.tenet.ac.za. 172800 IN A 196.21.79.50
      disa.tenet.ac.za. 172800 IN AAAA 2001:4200:ffff:a:0:0:0:1
      daisy.ee.und.ac.za. 172800 IN A 146.230.192.18
      nsza.is.co.za. 172800 IN A 196.4.160.27
      ns1.coza.net.za. 172800 IN A 66.135.62.20

      The InterNIC can givith, and takeith away. Just as they provided the glue of the IP's of those nameservers, they could provide alternative information.


      evil.hacker.example.za. 172800 IN A 127.0.0.1

      Even without such deliberate and obvious (and potentially dangerous) methods, they at very least have the IP's for that NIC. The TLD p2p still must have records with InterNIC. It's not a matter of "we're distributed, we're safe", it's a matter that there can be pressures on some or all providers to make sure things stop.

      The only way around this is methods that have been tried before. Alternative NIC's, with their own systems. Build a system, and you can hope that things will work better. In all reality, you or I or 99% of the folks on here could put up their own nameservers and say "hey, use this instead". That's all fine and dandy, but the truth is it will not be financially viable.

      Say I set up my nameservers with the tld's of .xxx, .p2p, .torrent. I could advertise it as loud as I could (and my budget doesn't go much beyond posting this). Get your ISP's to change over to our dark side. It's not going to happen, even if we properly respect the legitimate zones. You might get a few. You'll never get the majority. There's too much liability. Think if all the fiber and cable broadband providers said "sure, we'll use you instead." That would be all fun and games until the first lawsuit came down.

      So you won't get the ISP's to switch. Run your own nameserver at home, you say. Great. Again, you, I, and 99% of the readers here can do it. What about the other billion people on the Internet. So you have the next killer site, freewarez.p2p. You and your group of friends who did it can get to it. You'll never make a penny on it. Why think about money? Because it costs money to keep your server up.

      And of course, you'd have to pay whoever is being authorative for the tld's. Those machines take a beating all day every day. It's not just one machine on a residential line. It's clusters of machines distributed world wide to ensure reliability.

      So you retool the way DNS works. Hey, that's a great idea. Until you realize that you have to gain acceptance from every OS distro out there. You may get segments of the Linux and *bsd crowed involved. Good luck getting Microsoft and Apple to sign into it. You'd have a better chance creating your own SSL signing authority and getting them to add those to their browsers (again, good luck there).

      I'm not saying it won't happen. It can and should happen. It just isn't likely any time soon. It will be years from rollout of a working platform, to acceptance by even a part of the Internet. It will be quite a few years from that to getting the end users to accept it. Look at the tld .com, a

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    3. Re:Old stand-by: hosts file by ep32g79 · · Score: 2

      It took me over a fucking week to get wifi working on linux. Then I gave up. Linux and Mac OS are the biggest fucking kludges I've ever seen.

      Then you were doing it wrong, or doing it in 1997.

  3. Due process anybody? by spectro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The issue here is due process, registrars should ignore any government "request" to remove or redirect a DNS entry unless it is ordered by a court of law.

    The same applies to the former DNS provider for wikileaks, visa, mastercard and anybody else who stopped doing business with them just because they got a call from some government dude accusing them of illegal activity.

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    1. Re:Due process anybody? by LordThyGod · · Score: 2

      ... unless it is ordered by a court of law.

      Who's court though? Iran's? China's? The US's where many judges are elected, or are vetted by politicians first?

    2. Re:Due process anybody? by gnuASM · · Score: 4, Informative

      However, this is not that particular domain seizure. This is a redirect to government servers ("spoofs", if you will) with no judicial oversight. Furthermore, there was no judicial order for VeriSign to act in such a deceptive manner in support of a government actor.

      Your post only goes to prove the GPs issue on due process. If they were able to follow the rules then, why not now? This simply constitutes censorship until evidence and affidavit are submit to a judge in due process of law to obtain a writ. Only then does this become an injunction and not censorship.

    3. Re:Due process anybody? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Which is all well and good, except that the internet isn't just a US thing. By asserting the authority to revoke the domain of a site hosted outside the US, by non-US citizens, for a non-US business, the US government is essentially claiming limitless jurisdiction: If you do anything on the internet, you'd better obey American law.

  4. What's really up next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...is govt mandated DNS servers. You go thru theirs, so that can track every hostname you resolve and presumably visit, or if you try to circumvent then that'll become a crime.

  5. Get back in your Free Speech Zone by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is unfortunate because historically we've had a much better record on freedom of speech than most other countries,

    Historically, meaning what? thirty years ago? Now we have special places where you can go to protest and no one will have to hear you. We have laws against saying bad things about food, for crying out loud. Free speech is for the rich. If you own a media empire, you have some semblance of free speech. Otherwise, you only have freedom of speech until you say something that someone with money and/or power doesn't like.

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    1. Re:Get back in your Free Speech Zone by spun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "We have laws against saying bad things about food, [wikipedia.org] for crying out loud."

      No -- no we don't. We have laws against deliberately and knowingly spreading false negative information about food products. But I don't expect that to get past your Slashdot mental filter.

      Hahaha, oh, that is rich. Try saying that rGBH is bad. Heck, try marketing milk that is rGBH free. By claiming that your milk does not have bovine growth hormone, you are saying that bovine growth hormone is bad. And you will be sued.

      Did you know that the standards of proof are different when you are being sued for badmouthing
      food than when you are sued for badmouthing a person? When you badmouth a person, that person has to prove your guilt. When you badmouth food, you must prove your innocence.

      I will repeat that. When you are sued for saying bad things about food, you are presumed guilty and must prove your innocence.

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    2. Re:Get back in your Free Speech Zone by spun · · Score: 5, Informative

      See the case Monsanto v. Oakhurst Dairy of Maine. Monsanto sued, forcing Oakhurst dairy to modify their labels.

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    3. Re:Get back in your Free Speech Zone by nedlohs · · Score: 2

      The bottle of milk in front of me (that was bought in a typical american supermarket) says, in the second largest letters on the label, and at the top of the label (their capitalization):

      From Cows NOT Treated With ARTIFICIAL GROWTH HORMONES*

      And then in the tinyest print on the label and at the very bottom:

      *No significant difference has been shown between milk derived from rBST treated and non-rBST ttreated cows

      Bought from the local supermarket in a typical American suburb.

      So you are full of shit.

    4. Re:Get back in your Free Speech Zone by kilfarsnar · · Score: 3, Interesting
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    5. Re:Get back in your Free Speech Zone by arth1 · · Score: 2

      It's perfectly legal to give an opinion, as well. It's perfectly legal to say "I think Oscar Mayer hot dogs taste like shit", but if you say "Oscar Mayer hot dogs contain shit" then Oscar Mayer would be perfectly within their rights to quash your lies.

      Why? Their natural casing hot dogs are made from intestines, and even though the inner mucus is removed and they're well washed, will occasionally contain minute quantities of, ehrm, intestinal material.

    6. Re:Get back in your Free Speech Zone by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I grew up (so I say anyways) in Maine, and for one summer worked for Oakhurst Dairy. Many of my uncles and my father worked for them as well.

      The single most important thing to come out of that suit: Mainers now know that when you say your milk is from farmers that don't use hormones, you are getting milk without hormones. Some Mainers prefer that. All they wanna know is what's in their milk. Is that too much?

      According to the food libel laws, actually it IS. A pox on all of them.

      ps- Oakhurst is a fairly ethical company. Nobody's perfect, but they were trying last I knew. Their competition is largely out of state.

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    7. Re:Get back in your Free Speech Zone by wtfamidoinghere · · Score: 2

      But a lot of businesses might decide it is better for their stockholders to change a label and abort a minor marketing program than to fight an expensive court battle and win.

      Aren't you kind of saying that "Free speech is for the rich" as stated above? I know not literally, but it all boils down to it.

  6. Re:how is it censorship? by sehlat · · Score: 5, Informative

    As has been noted elsewhere, a number of the sites seized were, in fact, quite legitimate ones.

    Bypassing due process is quick and cheap in the (very) short term, but an expensive disaster over the long haul.

  7. Re:how is it censorship? by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

    I'd put money on it that somewhere in Amazon's thousands of listings there are a handful of counterfeit or pirated goods. Should the DNS providers go along with a government order to have Amazon de-listed? You might argue that these sights knew what they were doing and Amazon does not, but I would respond with the argument that there should be some due process there, not just a random bureaucrat making the decision.

  8. Re:Pointless by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Informative

    most sites share a numeric IP with many virtual hosts. in that case, you need to put the desired host header field into your http request.

  9. Freenet by goldarg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of re-inventing the wheel Why not try out a existing darknet in the form of Freenet http://freenetproject.org/ or i2p http://www.i2p2.de/

    1. Re:Freenet by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I've not used i2p, but I have used Freenet, and... it works. I admit it's slow, but it does work. You can browse the sites, post in a forum. There is plenty of stuff there by the paranoid (Lots of conspiricy theorist types on freenet), the activists and, of course, the pirates (It is *not* the fastest or most bandwidth-friendly way to pirate, but it will get you what you want... if you don't mind waiting a week for the latest episode). I also understand how the anonyminity works and, so long as you avoid mistakes like uploading a jpeg with camera-identifying information or looking at a non-freenet link to a monitored site, it is not going to be at all easy to find anyone. I'd say it's a project with promise.

      And, yes, it has wikileaks mirrors.

      It also has pedophiles. Everyone else tries to forget they exist, but... build a network dedicated to absolute and unrestrictable free speech, and they will come. On the upside, they keep a very low profile - the most you'll ever see is the occasional link you can not-follow.

    2. Re:Freenet by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      Instead of re-inventing the wheel

      Instead of re-inventing the wheel why not just use Fidonet?

      Hell, I was using Fidonet since before the Internet was available to the masses.

      Tell you what, why don't we let those that have ideas, and itches to scratch rally supporters for their own implementations based on their own merits, and let the best protocol win?

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  10. Re:how is it censorship? by gnuASM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the article says and even links to the fact that the US Government busted people selling counterfeit or pirated goods.

    Wrong. The article says that the "ICE said" that these sites were "engaged in the illegal sale and distribution of counterfeit goods and copyrighted works". These are allegations, not "facts". Preponderance of evidence proving a crime has been committed is accomplished only through proper due process. There were no references to a court order, no references to a court trial, nor any reference to admittance of a crime. It is apparent to me that the DNS redirects were accomplished under duress of an executive agency without judicial oversight:

    The seizures were accomplished by getting the VeriSign registry, owner of the .com and .net top-level domains, to change the authoritative domain-name servers for the seized domains to servers controlled by DHS.

    I would call this unconstitutional, regardless of any supposed law that may be reference to the contrary. If these actions were done under a court order with judicial oversight accomplished through a supportive affidavit of the specific crime and specific circumstances, it would be different.

    At this point in time, it is simply one government agency (or rather a group of related agencies), all this is is the effective removal of someone's publication of information. Until the judiciary orders its removal, it is nothing less than censorship.

    We won't even go into the allusion in the article that the government is apparently deceptively redirecting site traffic to its own servers.

  11. Re:Curious by Therilith · · Score: 2

    a government with properly issued warrant shutting down websites.

    I think the issue here is that the only reason people were generally ok with letting the US have that level of control was that they weren't supposed to kill access to a website for everybody on the planet simply because it was breaking a law in one country.

    Arguments like "but it's located in the US, so it has to follow those laws" don't really work here since the whole point was that it wasn't supposed to be controlled by any one country, but it was too much of a hassle to make it properly international as long as the US behaved.

  12. TSA vs. the OpenPGP web of trust by tepples · · Score: 3, Funny

    One way around this would be to have signed DNS records, but then you still need some kind of authority for the signing.

    I would have kneejerk replied "try the web of trust", but that's under attack as a consequence of the actions of the U.S. Transportation Security Administration. The OpenPGP global web of trust relies on some users traveling hundreds of miles to key signing parties so that they can extend the web of trust by meeting well-known people living far from them. Otherwise, if Alice is trying to communicate with Bob, but nobody living near Alice has gone to a key signing party with someone living near Bob, they can't verify each other's keys. But the TSA with its "Rapist-scan" backscatter machines and "gate rape" pat-downs is making it hard to travel such distances.

  13. Re:No laws against saying anything by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unless you try to protest at a political rally and refuse to go to your assigned Free Speech Zone out back by the dumpsters. But technically, you are right. You won't be arrested for 'speaking out.' You will be arrested for disturbing the peace or some other trumped up charge.

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  14. Re:Pointless by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2

    Says the guy who evidentally doesn't realize DNS is more than just a simple name-IP mapping scheme.

    DNS is what allows your email client to figure out who the mail exchanger is for a domain. Without it, email wouldn't work.

    DNS allows for failover and round-robin load balancing for services.

    DNS and the Host header make HTTP virtual hosting possible.

    Dynamic DNS allows one to have a constant, logical name, even if an underlying IP is changing.

    I'm sure there are many others... these are just the first few that immediately come to mind.

  15. Re:Pointless by bored · · Score: 2

    We used to have various other systems to find the IP address of a host that we knew was out there (Archie?)

    Standard NIS, still shipped on nearly every unix/clone can serve/receive hosts files, and a tweak of the nsswitch.conf file can make it precede DNS.

  16. Re:how is it censorship? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Completely clean? The companies are not run out of the US. Would it be illegal buy a billboard and put come to something that's illegal in your is legal here? By that logic the Indian casinos should not be able to advertise outside of there res since gambling is generally not legal elsewhere? Should we seize there domain names?

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  17. What about the reverse zone? by DeadBeef · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about putting an A or AAAA record in a reverse DNS zone, so your site ends up looking like http://2.0.192.in-addr.arpa/ or whatever. There is no registry involved with the delegation of those reverse zones, so it would be alot more difficult for anyone to interfere with it.

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    1. Re:What about the reverse zone? by Skapare · · Score: 2

      It could be interfered, but it would be harder. They'd have to track down the ISP. If the ISP is in another country, it's even harder. OTOH, lots of ISPs don't set up their reverse DNS.

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  18. A workaround? by tombeard · · Score: 2

    Maybe a wizard can supply the details, but it seems we could just host our own DNS file. I would think it could be set to allow review and rollback.
    You know eventually the governments will take control over "the internet". The opportunity to monitor our transactions, email, IM, books, video, music, news, comments etc. is irresistible to them. We may as well start building darknet now (or send me an invite if I'm late).

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  19. Every IP address has a number by Skapare · · Score: 2

    ... like this: http://3626153261/

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  20. Re:Pointless by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2

    While you're not wrong, per se, you do seem to be a bit behind the times...

    And every single one of your "counter-arguments" is absurd. Why did you even bother? I mean, really, you couldn't spend the time to come up with something at least seemingly lucid? I mean, really...

    If you think email is going away, you're delusional.

    If you think DNS isn't used for round-robin load-balancing and failover, you haven't resolved www.google.com... ever.

    If you think "Virtual hosting sucks" and that "That could stop and only the providers would notice or care", you live in a fantasy world.

  21. How about a lazier solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All this P2P and encoding crap, but nobody thinks to simply archive the last valid result!

    I call it the WHOIS Wayback Machine. If you think a particular site is at risk, submit it to all the WWMs you know of and let them do a lookup every week or so and permanently archive the results. When a domain get seized, look up the last valid IP, edit your HOSTS file, go to the site, and update your bookmarks with the new URL.

    This could also be done locally for sites you frequently visit. Anyone want to code the browser extension? Heck, it's probably already been done.