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Equipping a Small Hackerspace?

andy writes "After gentle prodding for about a year, my company actually agreed to include an electronics/robotics lab in the current build-out of our new office space. As I never really expected this to happen, I was at a bit of a loss when they asked me what sort of workbenches, equipment, etc. I wanted for the lab. The lab will only be approximately 9'x15' but there is a decent amount of vertical space to work with. I was thinking of having 2 workbenches side-by-side, one for 'hardware' and the other for 'software' with a floor-standing cabinet for storage. Semi-mobile workbenches might be a plus. Those of you that work in these sorts of environments, what do you recommend in the way of workbenches, storage, organization, and electronics?"

174 comments

  1. Two questions by chemicaldave · · Score: 1

    Where do you work and are they hiring?

    1. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Unfortunately, the robotics lab is only there so they can 'train/build' their replacements.

    2. Re:Two questions by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      They'll be hiring soon if he doesn't get any better answers than that...

      One suggestion- make sure there are two exits, so that when the robots decide they are done having you tinker with them there's a higher chance of getting out. Also helpful if anything catches on fire.

    3. Re:Two questions by geekoid · · Score: 1

      excellent. I can make a fortune repairing 'mysterious bugs' on my replacement. Like when the 20 dollar and hour consultant put me out of my 90 and hour gig. Latter they asked me to go back and fix his mess...I charged 120 an hour.

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    4. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and hour?

      Using terminology like this, I expect you are making it all up.

    5. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Repairing bugs on robots that are [spoiler]intended to replace you[/spoiler]? Hey, you can get some practice here!

    6. Re:Two questions by interval1066 · · Score: 2

      "Like when the 20 dollar and hour consultant put me out of my 90 and hour gig.

      There was probably a valid reason for that.

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    7. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a manager told me he hired an employee like you at that price, I'd fire him immediately. Not just because they paid $30/hr extra for an idiot who can't spell, but also because they used to pay that idiot $90/hr in the first place.

    8. Re:Two questions by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      "Like when the 20 dollar and hour consultant put me out of my 90 and hour gig.

      There was probably a valid reason for that.

      Consultants are usually shitheads?

    9. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was shocked to find out that my company, which does HPC services, charges clients $400/hr per employee that works on the project (I'm a smart guy, but not $400/hr smart), and of course the clients pay for the hardware, licensing, etc as well. The only way I can make sense of it is that some companies are willing to pay huge $$$ an hour (way more than they pay almost anyone in the company) for a service which only needs to be purchased once every few years.

    10. Re:Two questions by arth1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Never attribute to bad grammar that which can be explained by Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all.

    11. Re:Two questions by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

      You'll make somebody a GREAT secretary!

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    12. Re:Two questions by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

      I used to have a T-shirt that said "I'm not unemployed, I'm a consultant".

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    13. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh. I'm just starting to do HPC support. I wonder if I can get a raise for this work, even if it is more interesting than standard desktop support?

    14. Re:Two questions by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Are the costs of renting office space, electrical power consumption, hiring managers to watch over those employees, etc. taken out of that four hundred bucks? If so, that's probably not as inflated as you think, particularly if folks frequently have downtime between projects where they're drawing salaries but not bringing in money.

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    15. Re:Two questions by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I have the best spelling and grammar skills at my office, people must think I'm a super-genius. I should ask for a raise into the 7-figure range, my spelling's at least as good as the CEO's.

      BTW I know a top rally mechanic who makes obscene amounts of money, and he spells like a sugared-up kid in an AOL chat room.

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    16. Re:Two questions by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 0

      Wow, you sound like and impressively powerful management type who takes no crap off anyone. In fact I think I have heard of you before, Mr. Anonymous Coward.

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    17. Re:Two questions by flyneye · · Score: 2

      As nearly as I can tell from meeting several over the years, they tend to be cast offs from the industry they are consulting. First they doll up the ol' resume , then they sell themselves with the precision of a Chevy dealer to the first president he can find sweating under pressure of the board to flip a profit. Then come the endless touring and "chats" w/ employees over subjects like "what could be done to improve the workflow?" Then come the downsizing starting with any brass who opposed them ( the ones who knew how to sail the ship and saw the pirate flag) All dept. leads,(obviously the cause of the corp.-stupation , those manning the engine room, walk the plank) Finally the remaining employees are left to run the company as new lead chimps are selected and sent off to crash training. During the beaming of the "New Reich" , glorying in the"new direction" and other acts of self denial. The ship sinks and the rat left long ago, to pick 3 or 4 other ripe apples before changing the name of his company and assuming a new identity and continuing the same scam ad nauseum.

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    18. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knowing how to use "and" and "an" isn't exactly an impressive feat. You're comparing a rally mechanic's spelling to a programmer's spelling, though, which means you're a moron who definitely deserve to be fired as well. Hint: For one of these two professions, 99.99% of the time it doesn't matter if you spell like a kid in an AOL chat room. I'll let you guess which one.

    19. Re:Two questions by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Most programming languages are far from English, and a person with perfect grammar and spelling could be a lowsy programmer - I know good programmers with poor writing skills too.

      But I don't know if I should expect an out-of-touch PHB such as yourself to understand the difference between programming and writing, they're all just keyboard jockeys right?

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    20. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose you never write comments, variable names, documentation, or send email by yourself then? You're just another idiot who needs to be fired. Programming in a business environment is a mix of skills. Just as I wouldn't hire someone with perfect grammar and spelling who couldn't program his way out of a ripped up paper bag, I wouldn't want to hire a tool who can't use "and" and "an" properly, or who doesn't understand the relationship between programming and language skills.

    21. Re:Two questions by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      You still can't separate English from C/PHP/Python/any other programming language. A spelling error in an office email or comment is no big deal. Code documentation has plenty of time to be fixed and a spellchecker to help you along.

      Why don't you just fire everyone you can, since it gives you so much pleasure. You'd be doing your employees a favor too, because nobody should have to work for an ass like you. Then you can grammar-nazi-goosestep around your office all by yourself.

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    22. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just pleasure. It's competence. Defending people's inability to spell is firing material. Suggesting that people shouldn't try to spell correctly is ridiculous. And since you can't read (another reason you should be fired), I'll say it again: Perfect spelling and grammar aren't requirements, but not doing stupid mistakes like mixing up 'and' and 'an' is pretty important too. No matter how many lines of unreadable Perl you can write per day.

      I don't get what you're trying to say about separating english and programming. It has no relevance here. I said (twice now) that being good at BOTH is what's important.

  2. Cabinet by Metabolife · · Score: 1

    Don't forget to get a cabinet. It makes storing random hardware a lot neater.

  3. flex the bubble from the inside out by digitalsushi · · Score: 4, Funny

    You will already have the core things you need 90% of the time. Go install your desks in an ergo way, then give your core tools a nice spot to live. Don't worry, they will get lost, borrowed, and misplaced quickly. Soon you'll have three of each, and you'll always know where one is.

    The rest will evolve organically. Let it flow in as each project evolves. The most clever configuration will be the one that is flexed from the inside out, as your frustrations permanently solve yet another configuration issue. In a few years, people will wonder how your tech feng shui is so strong.

    Eventually people who visit your hackerspace will coo at the random junk bottles of parts, odd CAD lamp lighting, and floor stains, completely oblivious to the purpose, but envious to their shallow cores at the shininess. You will be envied in your organic nerd pile.

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    1. Re:flex the bubble from the inside out by drachenstern · · Score: 1

      In addition to this, some of these will be a wonderous godsend

      http://www.nexternal.com/icycles/images/61018.jpg

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    2. Re:flex the bubble from the inside out by Crash+McBang · · Score: 2

      Always a good thing to have in any lab: http://jamesthornton.com/fun/blinkenlights.html For the clueless: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinkenlights

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    3. Re:flex the bubble from the inside out by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

      In the 80's the space you are describing was referred to as a "hackers nest" as in the PC Hackers Nest BBS.

      If the workspace in question is used for robotics an "all in one" machine shop tool like the Smithy would be handy.

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    4. Re:flex the bubble from the inside out by __aaeuwj6541 · · Score: 1

      might want to get yourself some NO TOUCHY signs too, or a lock on the door, cause i can assure you that someone is going to walk-in and start touching stuff, and then (insert mysterious blue smoke joke here)

  4. get modular drawer cabinets by johnny+cashed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like Vidmar, Bott, or Lista. Lots of storage, small space. Can also be used to hold up a benchtop. Pricey, but you won't regret them.

    1. Re:get modular drawer cabinets by couchslug · · Score: 3, Interesting

      YES.

      I've run several aircraft maintenance and inspection section toolrooms in the Air Force, and good bench/storage solutions are a major "workspace effectiveness multiplier".

      I have _severe_ love for Lista. We even got our Snap-on rep to work with the Lista rep to get our Lista box foam cut for our tools.
      Snap-on boxes are very nice, but Lista IMO makes even better ones that survive G.I. abuse and often cost less.

      Leadership like the professional appearance of modern workspaces, which helps sell what you do for them.

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    2. Re:get modular drawer cabinets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taking modular to the next level. Not precisely "work space", but maybe inspiration.?

    3. Re:get modular drawer cabinets by gonzo67 · · Score: 2

      As an old AF retiree who spent half my career as a MX type (325X1>2A4x1/2A1X2 to be specific)...I can attest to the abuse the tools the GI uses goes through, and that is frequently just to get the mission done. I recall the Snap-on rep coming by to show off a new shiny "indestructable" very large socket driver. We gave it to the crew chiefs who took it out and cam eback 2 hours later saying buy 5 of them as they dropped the bent monster onto the tool crib bench. The Snap-on guy wanted to know why they wanted to buy it if they managed to bend it. The crew dogs stated they managed to change the brakes on 5 C-130s with it before it started to bend, so it survived longer than any other they had on hand before bending!

      And watching your tool box get knocked off a raised B1 stand or off the horizontal stab of a heavy to see it bounce and then create a wonderful FOD pattern on the ground...only priceless if it was not your shop! Otherwise it was a pain in the neck to find every piece!

    4. Re:get modular drawer cabinets by radtea · · Score: 1

      The crew dogs stated they managed to change the brakes on 5 C-130s with it before it started to bend, so it survived longer than any other they had on hand before bending!

      That's the difference between a good tool and a great tool: merely good tools fail by shattering.

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  5. Wow, that's small. by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    9' by 15' ? Does this lab currently contain a mop bucket and cleaning supplies? Sounds like something out of Office Space.

    1. Re:Wow, that's small. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      9 x 15 isn't THAT small...

      At a previous job, we had a 12x10 office, complete with desks and filing cabinets...for FOUR people.

      9x15 for just a lab wouldn't be that bad.

    2. Re:Wow, that's small. by just_another_sean · · Score: 2

      Michael Scott Paper Company FTW! Oh, wait, wrong Office... Sorry.

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    3. Re:Wow, that's small. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      9x15? that's actually 135m^2, almost the size of my flat.

    4. Re:Wow, that's small. by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      it is probably 9ftx15ft or about 12.8m^2 or about twice the size of my office cubicle. It isn't tiny, but it would be a little tight for space with a good workbench and a sufficient storage space for supplies.

      A 9mx15m flat is actually pretty big if you don't have a lot of kids.

    5. Re:Wow, that's small. by confused+one · · Score: 1

      "about twice the size of my office cubicle" My cube is only 9 x 5.5 ft. What luxury you must live in.

    6. Re:Wow, that's small. by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Its about 8x8, I have 5 large locking cabinets and enough desk space for two comfortable workstations and space left over for reading material or lunch. I have it set up so that my computer faces an angle from the door so I don't get people sneaking up behind me all the time. I guess it is pretty nice.

  6. Vertical Space by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you have a lot of vertical space, you could utilize some good pegboard and hangar brackets to store most of your tools. Also, I always find myself in want of a drill press and, to a lesser extent, a lathe and a mill. Welding equipment is also a plus. But all of those (minus a drill press, those can be pretty small) take up space. Fans and heaters are a nice convenience, if there isn't already some sort of environmental control. Finally, if other people than yourself are going to be working there regularly (I think that's kind of the definition of a hackerspace) then you might want to get a really nice label-maker/gun so that things stay relatively organized.

    1. Re:Vertical Space by Java+Pimp · · Score: 4, Funny

      you might want to get a really nice label-maker/gun so that things stay relatively organized.

      Is the gun for just in case the label-maker approach does not work?

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    2. Re:Vertical Space by digitalsushi · · Score: 1

      Honest question here. Heck, I would love to know the answer personally. Can you legitimately weld in a 9x15 foot room?

      If the answer is actually yes, what equipment do you need to make it safe?

      And the final question is, with that equipment, can you legitimately weld in a 9x15 foot room?

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    3. Re:Vertical Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... you might want to get a really nice label-maker/gun so that things stay relatively organized.

      It does not have to be necessarily nice, but a gun would be actually the most effective in keeping everyone well organized.

    4. Re:Vertical Space by hedwards · · Score: 1

      And the final question is, with that equipment, can you legitimately weld in a 9x15 foot room?

      That's what I'd like to know. While some types of welding require more space than others do, for safety reasons, I can't imagine any equipment allowing you to use a space that size. The issue of getting around the item in and of itself is formidable. It would likely be doable if you've got the room completely free of other stuff, but with a bench it's going to get tight real quick.

    5. Re:Vertical Space by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      I suppose the answer depends somewhat on your definition of legitimate...

      If the room is lit properly, heavily ventilated, and you get some of the smaller equipment, you can certainly weld some things in such a space. When I crafted a sword for my high school senior project, I was welding in a poorly lit garage that was about the dimensions you listed (probably a bit longer than the 15' though). The weld job was pretty simple, very rudimentary, and didn't require a lot of skill. If you are going to be welding grandiose projects and such, you'll want a better space than that. If you are terribly concerned about safety and are not a fan of rednecking it up (as I happen to be) then you will want a bigger space than that. But for simple, small welds, it is definitely possible.

      Of course, if one of your gas canisters explodes (highly unlikely) in such a small space, the damage will be much greater.

    6. Re:Vertical Space by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Self-reply, but one more thing that came to mind. I don't know if the construction is done on the room yet, but make sure there are lots of power outlets at all heights around the room if at all possible. You will never have too many outlets, but you will always have too many tools to plug in safely.

    7. Re:Vertical Space by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually guns are good for all around organizational features.

      Just the other day, I opened my drawer to get my VB5 reference book, thought it'd be a great idea to whip up a form using Access 2000 for the database.

      I had left my gun in my drawer on top of the book. So when I went to get the book, I had to pick up the gun. I then had a flash of bad memories, from the last time I used VB5, and was overcome with suicidal thoughts. I then realized that I was contemplating suicide, and I already had a gun in my hand, so I quickly put it back on top of the VB Book, closed the drawer, and have vowed never to touch that attrocity ever again.

      This happens about twice a season.

    8. Re:Vertical Space by couchslug · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Can you legitimately weld in a 9x15 foot room?"

      Sure, though I'd prefer a TIG machine since it's a very neat process.

      Good welding forums ample info and reasonable participants:

      http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/communities/mboard/

      http://www.hobartwelders.com/weldtalk/

      http://weldingweb.com/

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    9. Re:Vertical Space by confused+one · · Score: 2

      Welding (hot work) adds too many complications to what sounds like an office environment. Don't do it.

    10. Re:Vertical Space by gtwreck · · Score: 2

      We have had good success with retail "slat-wall" mounted on the walls all the way to the ceiling above our workbenches. It can support a lot of weight and there are a lot of ways to attach shelving or mount equipment using widely available brackets. And it will not deteriorate over time like pegboard. Also, it's attractive, which will help make your space look clean to passers by.

      Also, have them give you lots of network and power drops spread around the room, you will constantly run out. Attach a lot of power strips to your furniture, etc.

      You may want your own physical network separate from the rest of the building as well.

    11. Re:Vertical Space by plcurechax · · Score: 1

      Certainly possible. Compact arc-welding units (available for 120Vac AC mains) are pretty small, and if the pieces of metal you are welding are as well, then with proper ventilation, and isolation from flammable materials, then sure it is possible in small degrees.

      Inadvertently triggering a fire alarm and/or suppression system in an office environment could be an issue too.

    12. Re:Vertical Space by daid303 · · Score: 1

      Actually guns are good for all around organizational features.

      Just the other day, I opened my drawer to get my VB5 reference book, thought it'd be a great idea to whip up a form using Access 2000 for the database.

      I had left my gun in my drawer on top of the book. So when I went to get the book, I had to pick up the gun. I then had a flash of bad memories, from the last time I used VB5, and was overcome with suicidal thoughts. I then realized that I was contemplating suicide, and I already had a gun in my hand, so I quickly put it back on top of the VB Book, closed the drawer, and have vowed never to touch that attrocity ever again.

      This happens about twice a season.

      Yeah. Bad habits die hard.

      You should be using VB6 these days.

    13. Re:Vertical Space by Ambvai · · Score: 2

      I'm a jeweler, and routinely weld in such a small space... I utilize torch, laser and arc, depending on the job and all the equipment necessary would fit into/onto a decently sized table. Like my old kitchen table.

      Of course, I doubt the OP is referring to welding on such a small scale.

    14. Re:Vertical Space by zeropointburn · · Score: 1

      I'll have to second the pegboard and label maker. Our lab has one full-size rack, workbenches at standing level, tall chairs, walls lined in pegboard, tools and pull-out bins of many sizes attached to said pegboard. The high benches leave enough space for toolchests, filing cabinets, miniracks, hidden wiring, etc. under the bench. It's smaller than the OP's proposed space (more like 10x10ft) and just big enough for two people to work on machines at the same time. We had to run additional power and HVAC to handle the heat, current draw, and occasional soldering fumes, but it was a simple in-house job.
        Consider good mounting of any connective devices or peripherals you will need; having little hubs (USB, ethernet), extender ports (KVM, serial), and power strips right at hand will save a lot of time and cable madness. Good lighting is important; having a bench light mountable to your pegboard on a flexible neck is awesome for small parts and tight spaces. Those tall benches really make a difference too; if yours match the height of your drill press bed, etc., then it is also a lot easier to move workpieces to and from the heavy-duty tools.

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    15. Re:Vertical Space by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking small 3-in-1 mill/lathe/drill.

      Sure, they are not the best but if you are cramped for space....

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  7. broom closet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Well give you your space, but it can be no larger than a broom closet."

    1. Re:broom closet by anyGould · · Score: 1

      "Well give you your space, but it can be no larger than a broom closet."

      It's bigger than that. 9 feet x 15 feet is about the size of a non-master bedroom. If there's only one person working in there, and you're not working on anything too large (in physical volume), it'd probably be OK.

  8. Lots of stuff by larwe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Make the most of the vertical space if it's against a wall. You will want to have several pieces of reasonably heavy equipment semipermanently present above the workbench - so build a couple of deep, sturdy shelves that can hold your benchtop PSUs, oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers, etc. The probes and wires dangle down from the front. The lowest shelf should be as low as possible while still clearing the top of the tallest PC monitor you intend to put on that bench. Support those shelves with at least 1.5x the manufacturer-recommended number of pegs. The back of the shelf should have enough room to the wall, or cutouts, to fit - comfortably - an AC plug so that you don't have to move heaven and earth in order to add or remove an AC-powered piece of equipment from amongst the stuff on either side of it. As well as outlets at floor level, you need an outlet strip running down the back of the bench, or on the wall behind the bench at chest level to a seated person, with a minimum of 8-10 outlets per workbench. The outlets should be spaced far enough apart that they can hold a plugpack. DO NOT think that 6-way adapters are "good enough". It is a royal pain in the ass to deal with them, and they add to cable clutter. You will probably want a local Ethernet network for testing net-booting appliances, as well as wiring into your regular Internet connection. So make room for a small Ethernet switch. Use some more of the wall space for component drawers of the type people use to store nails, screws, etc. You cannot have too many of these. Since you will probably be using many SMD components (I know I do!) make a rack for the reels. A regular piece of wooden dowel with a sturdy chain attached to each end, suspended from the center of the chain, works OK. Having loose reels around the place is another pain in the ass - if you have them on a dowel then you can put R/C/L values in neat order, separate diodes from transistors, etc. These are a few of my suggestions based on my own workspace (I do this sort of thing on a contract basis)... I personally have also ditched all my desktop PCs and use netbooks and notebooks exclusively - much of the hardware you'll be using has to be tethered to the dev system by a short USB cable, and having a desktop PC up close enough really wastes desktop real estate.

    1. Re:Lots of stuff by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2
      Some additional notes:

      You will want to have several pieces of reasonably heavy equipment semipermanently present above the workbench - so build a couple of deep, sturdy shelves that can hold your benchtop PSUs, oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers, etc.

      Also consider that many pieces of automatic test equipment are rack-mountable. You may want to consider making a portable "cart" with all of your gadgets(including a power strip with retractable extension cord, and maybe even a small computer for GPIB control).

      Others have suggested being used to losing tools. You can keep track of them easily if you have the discipline to keep a record of all your tools, returning them at the end of your shift(great way to kill time), neatly arranged in the box with foam cutouts, notating exceptions and requiring signatures for borrowing.

      Good luck.

  9. Globalindustrial.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recommend globalindustrial.com. They have some great pick rack cabinets and modular equipment workbenchs. Please note I am not affiliated with them.

  10. Cheap work bench by blackC0pter · · Score: 1

    I used gorrilla racks as a cheap work bench. A single rack comes in two parts so i can put them side by side for a larger desk space. The surface is also treated to withstand chemicals and a pretty heavy load. I put the shelves on the floor and then the top so that I could pull up a chair to the rack. Since this is for a hackerspace I assume you don't care that it looks like you are using a shelf for a desk. Plus, for $90 you really can't beat it. Also, I have no affiliation with gorillarack. I just work for a small company and don't want to pay $500+ for workbenches.
    http://www.gorillarack.com/raptor/grz636245bdi-storage-rack-p-53.html

  11. What kind of slashdotter by grnrckt94 · · Score: 1

    are you that you don't have one of these already???

    1. Re:What kind of slashdotter by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Some of us have trouble convincing our parents that a hacker space is a good idea.

    2. Re:What kind of slashdotter by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, plus there is a really good chance there's one near you so you no longer have any excuses (they are currently popping up like mushrooms):

      Hacker Space Finder

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  12. Stuff by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Monitor arms and wireless keyboards/mice, or a keyboard drawer. This frees up valuable desk space for working on stuff.

    Also useful:

    USB port replicator - used for laptops, gets legacy and USB ports up on the desk from the tower, so you can get at them.
    Variable power supply - get good ones with a couple of voltage options. +/- 5V, +/- 12V rails along with a variable output is very handy
    Plenty of outlets on the desks or, better yet, built into the desks
    Grounding - if you can't get grounded desks, get antistatic pads or, at least, antistatic wrist straps, and ground everything you can

    The three things you shouldn't scrimp on - power supply, soldering station with adjustable temperature, multimeter

    Get a cheap desktop for the hardware station - interfacing with hardware doesn't take much horsepower.

    Buy a monster for the software station so you can run multiple OSes in virtual machines - get the free VMWare player that lets you create virtual machines and you can run Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD, etc...

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  13. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it's ridiculous to create such a lab for people who have no idea what do they need it for.
    In other case you would have been known, what you need, definitely.

  14. Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's one thing you can never have enough of: space. Put as little in there as possible. The rest depends on what you're going to build there. Maybe you want a CNC router, most definately a proper soldering station, oscilloscope and a whole shitload of storage full of parts. But most of all: lots of space. That bad motherfucking robotarm you will inevitably build there needs a lot of it:P

    1. Re:Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "definately"? Is that even a word? Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker.

    2. Re:Space by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      It's a real word but it's spelled "definitely."

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  15. power points, shelves and lighting by Richard_J_N · · Score: 4, Informative

    - Cover the wall in network and power-points - you might well make use of 12 ethernet ports and 50 mains sockets.
    - Have deep, load-bearing shelves above the workbench, (again, with power), and under-shelf lighting.
    - Consider the ergonomics: workbench height for standing (and some tall stools), a/c, bright light, silent computers. LCD monitor on a swing-arm?
    - If money is limited, you're probably better off with a larger variety of stock and tools than with fewer expensive ones.
    - Do you need the ability to make it dark? Plumbing? Dust/Fume extraction?
    - Ensure the floor is easy to clean, not static-prone, and easy to see where you dropped things.

    1. Re:power points, shelves and lighting by JustinOpinion · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One thing worth looking into are the desks sold by AnthroCart. They can address some of the points you mentioned (power availability, ergonomics, ...).

      AnthroCarts are not cheap, but they are solid, can carry substantial weight, and will last a long time. They are also modular: you can buy more pieces to extend them (adding shelves, etc.), or alter the height of shelves if necessary. Most of the pieces are on wheels (with locks) which is perfect for a workspace with constantly changing projects (need the wiring station in another room? Just roll it there.). You can also buy power bars that integrate directly to the Anthro desks/tables, so that all your equipment stays plugged in but is easy to move around. Many of the models also have adjustable-height work surfaces, which is great for adjusting keyboard height or moving the work surface as needed...

      No, I don't work for them. Just a happy customer. The downsides are the cost and that assembly takes longer than other furniture (because they use things like actual screws instead of crappy quick-connect pieces).

    2. Re:power points, shelves and lighting by eeble · · Score: 1

      Fume extraction has been nagging at the back of my mind for a while. I know we'll need it, I just don't know the best way to do it on a small budget for a small space. Thanks for the suggestion about power, I know that's one thing that's often overlooked. As is an anti-static floor, all great suggestions! Thanks

    3. Re:power points, shelves and lighting by rwa2 · · Score: 2

      AnthroCart / AnthroBench are certainly the cadillacs of that kind of thing.

      Don't bother with the integrated power bars (though the other accessories are quite nice). Just ziptie a cheap TrippLite 12 or 20-port power strip to the back of the thing.

      If you want something (much) cheaper, I'd also recommend the "Mayline eLAN" IT workbenches, which don't give you quite as much flexibility, but stack high and are very solid.
      http://www.google.com/search?q=mayline+eLAN

      Whatever you do, put them on casters so it's easy to reposition / clean . Oh, and that they actually fit through your doors / elevators :-P

    4. Re:power points, shelves and lighting by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Fume extraction has been nagging at the back of my mind for a while.

      If you can't get fume extraction for the workbench extract from the room and have a small wall mounted fan that gently blows air across the desk away from the person soldering (but not enough air that it cools the iron). I would not even attempt any welding, machining or grinding in the same space (as some have suggested) you are going to do electronics work leave that to the workshop where you can get sweaty and where it doesn't matter about metal shards getting into every nook and cranny.

      For your work benches consider benches that you can work comfortably at while you are standing up as you don't want to be crouched down "head over desk" all the time whilst seated. Make the benches so your arms are almost at right angles to the work area whilst standing then buy some quality "bar stool" sized height adjustable chairs. Bench construction should be marine ply (not crappy chipboard or MDF - blech). Mine are 32mm thick and will easily take 100Kg, YMMV.

      For the chairs consider dentist style saddle chairs that can be raised to bar stool type heights with a circular footrest. The reason is you may find yourself working on something and getting up and sitting down kinda gets annoying. If you have to sit for longer periods of time at the work bench that's when you use the stool when you get sick of sitting you can stand and still work - much more efficient. You'll also find that you are more energised while you are working especially if you can stand, work and move. Enough has been said about power and storage but you may want to consider that the power has ground loop cut-off for safety if you are working on mains-rated gear so you can minimise the chance of electrocution. A second smaller shelf or other arrangement that suits you to mount oscilloscopes, multimeters, lab power supplies and some mounting underneath to get the computer off the ground (if you really need one there at all) so you don't kick it all the time or bang it with your knee - have up to four ports wired into the wall to under the desk that you can use for ethernet (cat5/6) usb and rs232/432 to suit your needs.

      Have some separate lighting for the workbench beyond room light, a quality florescent with diffuser mounted just above the workbench that illuminates the work area generously (not your eyes) and can be switched on and off easily in case you need you use a magnified work lamp as well. Have this above a 100mm vice that includes an anvil space behind the jaws and has a mount that you can rotate. Mount it on a corner of the desk so that you can re-orient it 90 degrees. Buy a quality British, American or Australian made vice, more than likely the British vices are probably the best. You will use the vice more than you know - also have aluminium and wood vice guards that you can interchange handy.

      You will get burnt, you will get cut so mount a first aide kit on a wall nearby and also mounting space for safety gear like eyeglasses and hearing protection. Consider using the fine grade mechanics gloves that still give good feel for when you are working.

      This is basically the set up I have, obviously you have to consider the workbench for your needs and the stuff I have here is just the basics. When you construct the space consider what you need to do in such a way as to minimise the clutter. I have not even gone into tool selection/mounting because that is going to be dependent on what you are trying to do - but mount your tools so they are accessible and easy to put away - nothing slows you down more than not being able to find what you need quickly.

      Hope this helps.

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    5. Re:power points, shelves and lighting by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Actually, what I've found VERY useful in labs is power bars hanging from the ceiling (about 2-3 feet above table height). You can then plug anything on the table into it without the cables making a mess of your working area. Add some network plugs to the power bars and you should be good to go.

    6. Re:power points, shelves and lighting by dogsend · · Score: 2
      Some additions from a decade in my labs...

      Power points - you cannot have enough, but plan them.

      • Don't place them too low to the benchtop. Many devices these days run off plugpacks and they need more clearance than the standard plug.
      • Use a combination of narrowly spaced and widely spaced sockets (plug packs again)

      LAN - at least some access is a must.

      • A desktop switch is just as convenient as multiple sockets, requires less patching further afield, and allows for you to isolate the lab when necessary.

      Computers

      • These days a laptop is more convenient and requires less space than a full blown desktop.
      • With just a little planning you don't need parallel ports any more.
      • You can still find laptops with a serial port if really necessary.

      Toolchest

      • use a tool chest on wheels
      • choose one that has shallow slide out drawers - it really helps you avoid filling it up with clutter and helps ensure [others / you] keep it organised

      Electronics supplies

      • Work it in with your toolchest (if appropriate)
      • Plastic specimen phials are a great way of keeping a couple of sizes of all the passive electronic components close to hand, organised, without taking much space.

      Soldering station

      • Have a decent permanent station with fume extraction / filtering.
      • Have the right tools - it saves you plenty of time from fixing poorly done jobs.

      Decent lighting, microscope

      Plenty more, but that'll do for now.

  16. Make the walls and ceiling markerboard by digiplant · · Score: 1

    You should cover all the walls and ceiling with markerboard. The shop in my parent's house is this way and makes for a great work space. Every (non-furniture) surface is a place to sketch out ideas and make little notes. If you put a thin metallic sheet behind the markerboard sheet, you'll also be able to use magnets to hold things up.

  17. Why are they making this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you're the person who requisitioned the lab and you don't know what to put in it, why is your company even building such an area?

    If your company has staff who would use this space, then poll them for the equipment they need. Otherwise, retract your request for a lab. Asking Slashdot will just get you a random assortment of hardware which will most likely sit unused.

    Believe me, if you really needed this stuff, you'd know exactly what to buy.

    Sincerely,
    Person with a Ph.D. in EE who has worked with hardware development for 15 years.

    1. Re:Why are they making this? by digitalsushi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sincerely,
      Person with a Ph.D. in EE who has worked with hardware development for 15 years.

      Aw, that's rough buddy! Hit me up and I'll teach you how to create a login. It's not that bad!

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    2. Re:Why are they making this? by magarity · · Score: 2

      Sincerely,
      Person with a Ph.D. in EE who has worked with hardware development for 15 years.

      All those years working with hardware has cut down on your reading comprehension. It's clear the questioner is asking about makes and models of desks/benches/shelves, not what work to do in his new lab.

    3. Re:Why are they making this? by digitalnoise615 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Sincerely, Person with a Ph.D. in EE who has worked with hardware development for 15 years who hates the fact that untrained monkey's working in their garages have come up with more cool stuff than he ever will.

      Fixed that for you.

    4. Re:Why are they making this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "that untrained monkey's working in their garages "

      So... If you're going to write monkey's, why not also garage's? I'm just trying to understand the inner workings (working's?) of a superior mind.

    5. Re:Why are they making this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no idea why this person is so bitter. I maintain a lab at work and one in my basement. Here are some things I find useful for a wide variety of tasks:

      -An antistatic mat for your workbench, if you live in an area where it gets dry during the winter.
      -A good soldering iron with tips that you can hot-swap. Hakko, or Metcal if you have the cash.
      -A 1-lb roll of solder.
      -Good storage solutions: "Small parts drawer cabinets" as Mcmaster-carr calls them, and some removable bin-racks like Akro-Mills makes.
      -A solder fume extractor.
      -A couple decent hand tools. These can get very expensive if you want quality, but some cheap brands are very nice. Techni-Tool carries all sorts of stuff. Xcelite is a good cheap brand. Erem and Lindstrom are of exquisite quality but are very expensive. Sparkfun.com sells some nice cheap hand tools. I recommend at least one wire cutter, a "wire forming" pair of pliers, and some tweezers.
      -If you like to use wire-wrap (I like it better than breadboarding things, most of the time), then a high-quality wire wrapping tool is worth the extra money. Wire-wrapping wire is cheap.

      -A good connector solution. Pick a popular connector line from Molex or somesuch, and get the official crimper, 1000 male terminals, 1000 female terminals, and a selection of 2, 3, 4, 8, etc.. male and female terminal receptacles. Very expensive, but sometimes you need cables. I keep three connector lines around at work and it's really convenient, but crimpers can be hundreds of dollars each.

      Personally, I like to have power and glue components around too:
      -A few of the IC starter sets from Jameco. I think they sell one that has a selection of parts with very wide utility (linear voltage regulators of several types, op-amps, RS-232 line drivers, etc).
      -A selection of resistors.
      -A selection of capacitors.

      I also keep a stock of t-slot aluminum and a large selection of fittings... But this stuff is expensive, bulky, and tends to get consumed very quickly by a project, so it's not an ideal "sharing" resource.

      I would recommend you only buy more complicated technology as-needed. Arduinos are cheap enough and you'll just be taking up valuable space if you buy ten of them and that version becomes obsolete. As you use the space, the surplus supplies and stuff will fill in the gaps and you'll have a much better idea of what needs to be purchased on a regular basis.

    6. Re:Why are they making this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the questioner specifically listed equipment. I had much the same thought - if you had not thought what you needed in the space, why request it? Crazy that a company who approve something without have a list of all material for approved something.

      My advice quit because they seem to know less about what they are doing than you do. Next guy is going to come along and ask for magic beans and they will throw money at him too.

    7. Re:Why are they making this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the parent should be modded up - this was my first question too. If you requested the lab, you ought to know exactly what you want to put in there, at the very least in terms of electronics.

    8. Re:Why are they making this? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      A good connector solution. Pick a popular connector line from Molex or somesuch...

      For low voltage power connections I heartily recommend Anderson Powerpoles - Amateur radio folk have pretty much standardized on these - they work well and are genderless. These guys have gone all crazy over them, and offer lots of useful things like power distribution blocks, etc.

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    9. Re:Why are they making this? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      One reason there are many "shop threads" on gearhead forums is that there are many DIFFERENT ways to set up shop.

      Some ideas that are obvious to one group may be new to another.

      Here are some examples of very small shop spaces with efficient layouts that might not occur to folks who have only worked in conventional structures:

      http://www.seabox.com/v3/modified/gallery/

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  18. best idea? by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 2

    I would advise against having hardware and software sharing the same space.

    do people really want to code between a bandsaw and stick welder?

    what kind of work are you thinking about doing in this hackerspace? its hard to say what you will need when we don't know what you will build.

    this is what i find helpful for my purposes:

    numerous soldering stations
    those grippy tables with 2 arms and a magnifying glass.
    lots of reverse tweezers. (most useful tool ever.)
    proper wire cutters. the huge ones that hammer down and pull apart. save tons of time.
    fish tank for holding etching acid
    heat press for iron on transfers
    rotary tools
    small metal lathe
    hand drill
    drill press
    band saw
    a good vice
    various clamps

    optional: safety goggles

    oh, and try to get a plasma cutter! I've never actually used one for anything useful, but it's fun as hell to play with.

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    1. Re:best idea? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "optional: safety goggles"

      Not optional if you value your vision. Face shields such as those made by Jackson for weldors are IMO more comfortable and much less likely to fog up. Face shield (some are tinted, spec what you need) and headgear are sold separately. Your local welding supplier will have them.

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    2. Re:best idea? by Idiomatick · · Score: 2

      Adding to this since it is the best suggestion so far....I'm not sure I'd use etching stuff rather than a standard pegboard piece if I'm just hacking... if I'm finished then order one to be printed. Not sure about a couple of the bigger tools but it all depends on the project (could also go to manual tools if they wont be used much).

      wall of drawers with millions of little compartments for components.
      wire stripper
      proper multimeter, capacitance meter
      lots of wire!
      Variable power supply
      Scope/logic tester
      solder station: Copper braid,solder,solder pumps, variable temp solder iron, brass sponge, flux pen, stand
      May need a fan depending on ventilation or you'll all get sick and die.
      heat shrink tubing
      heat gun (for soldering surface mount chips or other annoying stuff)
      Lots of handy outlets.

      That said i'm thinking of a small robotics/electronics lab. Nothing heavy mechanical.

    3. Re:best idea? by confused+one · · Score: 1

      I doubt you'll get permission to have a welder or plasma cutter in a building that (based on the limited description) is office space. Hot work carries a lot of baggage, safety wise; and, the welder or plasma cutter may trip any IR sensors in the fire alarm system.

    4. Re:best idea? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      I'd like to second the suggestion to do software elsewhere.

      Of course, keep some network drops in the room. They'll be handy when you bring in your laptop to make a minor change. Nobody wants to write code in a room that smells like burned plastic and solder flux.

      You're in a cramped space, don't waste it on a desk and computer that will never be used in the way they were intended.

      Use one workbench for fabrication/assembly and the other for electronics.

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    5. Re:best idea? by eeble · · Score: 1

      This will most likely be for prototyping embeded electronics/robotics work.

    6. Re:best idea? by tibman · · Score: 1

      I use two desks, one for software and one for hardware. It helps if your programming cables can reach from your PC to your embedded device on the second desk. Even better if you have a rolling chair to quickly go from coding station to soldering station and back. Having the desks together in an L-shape works well for me.

      You won't need much space on your solder station. I use a small tools bin (wire stripper, scissors, solder, ect), solder iron, fume sucker, 3rd hands thing/vice, and a bright lamp. Parts storage doesn't have to be very close to your hardware desk. For each project you'll have most of your part requirements planned out and you grab them all up at once and put it on your desk. For storage i use an open backed bookshelf with assorted tackle boxes and tupperware containers. A good supply of common parts is ideal. Having perf boards and portable power supplies is also great.. mostly to help get your projects out of your hackerspace for other people to see. Breadboarding is great but doesn't travel well.

      I wouldn't worry too much about planning out the perfect workspace. Start with a computer workstation. Grow some workspace to fit a solder iron. Parts storage will fill up an unused corner of the space. It'll all organically come together. As far as power goes, two sockets is plenty. I keep a "danger powerstrip" on the hardware desk that is easy to turn on and off. When the strip is on, the lamp and solder iron are powered. So i know that if the lamp is on, the station is hot.

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    7. Re:best idea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      electrical tape
      electrical wire caps (lots in a lot of sizes and some sizes go quicker)
      solder-less breadboards (prototyping)
      hot glue gun

  19. Benches, stools and power by geekoid · · Score: 2

    Supply a piice of decent electronic equip(a nice scope), and be sure all the tools are the cheapest you can find. There going to go missing anyways, so longevity isn't a major concern here.

    Let the enthusiastic bring stuff in if they want more.

    Oh, and a library of basic electronic books.

    The most important things is a welcoming attitude. Even the most bone headed nooob should be comfortable coming in and participating..a 'don't say no' attitude towards people wanting to participate.

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  20. Classic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I need (insert dogmatic instance of need here)! It will make us more (insert dogmatic insistence of improvement here) and we're falling behind our competition because you're not taking my awesome advice". Then when they say okay, you have no plan, no execution strategy...hell, you don't even know how to get start so you go ask someone else how to do it. Idiot. They should fire your dumb ass.

  21. what's the budget? by Surt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Surely the budget is relevant. Otherwise, I'd go 9x15xvertical worth of gold ingots and a lousy security system you know how to beat.

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    1. Re:what's the budget? by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

      Surely the budget is relevant. Otherwise, I'd go 9x15xvertical worth of gold ingots and a lousy security system you know how to beat.

      ... and a truck with good suspension.

      --
      When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
    2. Re:what's the budget? by AltairDusk · · Score: 2

      No no no that's all wrong, you need a small fleet of modified Mini Coopers!

    3. Re:what's the budget? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      assuming 8 foot ceiling, that would be 650 tons. You'll be making several trips in anything that can go down a road. Those 400 ton mining dump trucks are hell on city infrastructure....

  22. Good Workbench, plenty of outlets by swg101 · · Score: 1

    You don't say what your budget is, but good, sturdy workbenches (like these) with plenty of outlets for power supplies, scopes, meters, etc. as well as built in drawers and cabinet space.

    If you are looking for suggestions on equipment, power supplies like the Topward 6000D series or similar (multiple output, adjustable, current limiting supplies) are invaluable. Good o-scope, handheld multimeter, etc. if you don't already have that stuff.

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  23. Make it like like one of those cool hacker rooms by Ismellpoop · · Score: 1

    in the movies with the 20 plus monitors, cool lights and all that jazz. Then when your boss pops his head in he thinks "wow these guys are working hard and super cool" just like those movie nerds not sucky like regular nerds.

  24. Power by theunixman · · Score: 1

    Lots of high-current outlets, preferably on several circuits. Some non-fluorescent, repositionable work lights to help kill the flicker and see the work. Locking wheels for everything. Pegboard and hangers. Fans, ventilation, etc.

  25. Third Question by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

    Why do all the neat opportunities always go to the lads with the fewest clues?

    1. Re:Third Question by Clandestine_Blaze · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why do all the neat opportunities always go to the lads with the fewest clues?

      by RobotRunAmok (595286)

      See what happens when you don't plan your robotics lab out properly? They riot and start posting on /.

    2. Re:Third Question by DrEasy · · Score: 1

      That's a logical question, coming from a RobotRunAmok. ;)

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  26. Extra hands by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1
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  27. If you don't have the wherewithal to buy tables... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    without hand-holding, then why have you been entrusted with this task? Surely you've worked in an electronics lab before, and you know how to use Grainger.com?

  28. list by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    Not sure what you're really doing but...
    oscilloscope
    signal generator
    discrete power supply
    Voltmeter
    Breadboards
    General toolbox (seriously you'll need a hammer at some point)
    Multiple workstations with serial ports obviously
    parts bins
    Lable Maker (for the parts bins)
    etc...

    If it's a tall room... tall shelfs and one of those ladders on wheels.

  29. An assistant.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. from Abyss Creations :)

  30. Suggestions for electronics by kyle5t · · Score: 1

    Get a Weller soldering iron, some of those Jameco parts kits for all your common components, an oscilloscope, a couple decent multimeters, maybe a logic analyzer. Solderless breadboards and lots of those plug-in wire jumpers are useful. You want to have all the usual hand tools, plus a third-hand tool or two, a heat gun and heat shrink supplies, maybe a molex pin crimper. Try to leave some of your budget left over for when you find new things that you really want to get.

    1. Re:Suggestions for electronics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weller? Pfft. Real men use Metcal.

    2. Re:Suggestions for electronics by kyle5t · · Score: 1

      Heh. Perhaps I should have just said "nice soldering iron."

    3. Re:Suggestions for electronics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For any circuit board re-work, a de-soldering iron (with vacuum pump and foot switch) is lots more convenient than using braid or a one-shot solder-sucker.

  31. Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are going for serious hardware electronics work, you need a hot-air soldering station, not just a soldering iron. Hot-air soldering stations will allow you to do all the modern SMT components that you can't do with just an iron. If you are doing electronics, you need a DC power supply; Oscilloscope; Multimeter, Signal generator. If you are doing power electronics you will need a Variac (autotransformer) and some heavy duty switches. Aligator clips are always handy. Non-contact temperature sensors are also handy. Caliper for measuring.. This all in addition to the work benches, power and lighting other people have mentioned.

  32. If you need a robot by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    Order it from the Japanese, if you need it to play guitar or make a car,
    or from that company that makes the disturbing headless-horse military robot.
    They know what they're doing.

    I mean seriously. What do you want a robot for?

    Sounds like its to satisfy a tinkering itch.

    My advice is don't build any hardware til you have the entire thing
    functioning perfectly in a software sim. And even then, don't build
    any hardware. The silly mechanical problems and non-linear force
    issues will defeat you and eat all your time. For what? For what?

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  33. Equipment by elewton · · Score: 1

    I'm in a hackerspace.

    I find the oscilloscopes, and multimeters useful. Include a solder iron, some prototyping board, hot glue gun, various screwdrivers, wrenches, bubble level, measuring tape, battery charger and some electricians pliers and you'll have a very useful space.

    Also a bench with a vice and some helping hands.

  34. Two thoughts... by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) Wheels on stuff is cool. Make sure at least 2 of 4 wheels lock, and get the biggest diameter wheels you can stand. Rolling a workbench with 600+lbs on it will shred those plastic casters.

    2) If you're going vertical, get a Little Giant-like ladder that splits into two a-frames, other brands work very well. Handy to be able to a-frame it, stretch it out and store vertically in a corner, use with planks as a third workbench, and of course lend out under constant supervision when someone else needs one.

    There is little else as much fun as establishing a new shopspace. I've done three big ones, and it's a riot. Just be glad you're not working on portable tape recorders, and have to explain the $400 P.O. for screws. Having a 1x1.2mm screw when you need one; priceless. Sony made great stuff back then, man.

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  35. Hardcore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask for a 3D printer and/or a 3D desktop mill such as the Roland MDX-40.

  36. Obligatory Slashdot-type comment by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    Also ask for Arduinos. Lots and lots of Arduinos.

    1. Re:Obligatory Slashdot-type comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Beowulf cluster of them!

    2. Re:Obligatory Slashdot-type comment by billstewart · · Score: 1

      REAL hackers use one Arduino for the blog cred (and ICSP burning), and a stack of raw ATmega328 chips on breadboard without all the fine Italian printed circuit boards for the production work. (Or even one '328 for I/O pins and a stack of ATtiny8s for the rest, and you can use two of the breadboard rails for I2C instead of power and ground :-)

      And yes, all of this is ignoring the fact that a 1GHz 32-bit ARM chip has a lot more horsepower than 64 16MHz 8-bit AVRs, but it doesn't give you das blinkenlichts.

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    3. Re:Obligatory Slashdot-type comment by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1
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  37. List. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Label maker. Different colored cables where possible. Makes finding cables in a nest easier.
    Multiple racks of parts bins, labelled.
    Shallow organizers can be put on hinges if wall area is scarce.
    Plywood or mdf or purpose-built sheets can also be used to hang tools. Put those on wall hinges to get tool hanging surface area.
    Get a standing table and a sitting table. Build out of wood with the necessary crossbracing and 3/4" or 1" urethaned tabletop.
    Can never have too much table space. Use all-round strapping or bolt holes to attach power bars. Get IP-addressable power bars if you want some automation.
    Get as much light as you can in that room, and keep flashlights and an LED headlamp handy (energizer has some good bright toughcase headlamps).
    Plumb in a urinal and a sink. (Half joking about the urinal...) Plumb for compressed air. Install outlet for central vac. Install a fume ventilator. Install conduit (2 inch perhaps) with generous bend radii and leave some strong line in for pulling cables. Check building codes for when necessary.
    Install vinyl skirts on any cabinets or shelf units so parts dropped on the floor won't sneak their way to some unreachable position.
    Get a big trash bin, or use a large diameter vacuum for dry trash disposal.
    And put an equipment rack in the corner.

    Okay, it sounds more like a garage than a hacker's room, but I hope you can take away some of these ideas.

  38. The eternal question by plcurechax · · Score: 2

    Many amateurs or hobbyists have faced this dilemma in their own personal (and professional) work spaces for centuries nows. Two groups I know a little about are wood workers and machinists, who have written dozens of books and articles about this subject, in both the general and specific case.

    0. Safety equipment: dust masks, goggles, safety glasses (with side protection), gloves (nitrile, latax, neoprene), hearing protection (ear muffs, ear plugs), and as needed!
    1. Tools
    2. Storage / management of those tools
    3. Hard copy (dead-tree) documentation, it is being rapidly moved online thanks to cheap and compact computers and laptops, but much older reference material is still in old-school paper form (which can be handy) (example references to collect: ARRL Handbook, Art of Electronics, Machinery's Handbook, Woodworking Basics, Understanding Wood, Wiring Simplified)
    4. Commonly used materials (lumber, hoses, holes clamps, fabric, sheet metal, dowels, nuts & bolts, wood and metal screws, etc.)
    5. Parts (in anti-static containers for any static sensitive parts like CMOS ICs)
    6. Labelling tools
    7. Log / Lab notebooks . These should be paper-based, though can be complimented with online documents, a honest to goodness hard copy lab book is essential.
    8. Chemicals
    9. Large, easy to read clock
    10. Test equipment: rulers, tape measures, calipers, digital multi-meter
    11. Plenty of AC mains circuits and outlets. Preferably with a separate circuit for lighting versus wall outlets. - Avoid extended use of extension cables, and excessive use of power bars.

    And time.

  39. Lasers by _GNU_ · · Score: 1

    You could never go wrong with lasers.

    Mount mirrors and lenses on a small, sturdy table and have a few beams of 1mW laser bounce around in smoke from a small smoke machine and you'll impress the boss enough to keep your lair. (and job) ;)

  40. What are you building or fixing? by pz · · Score: 2

    It depends greatly what you are building or fixing.

    For basic electronics stuff, soldering irons, those boxes of little drawers (filled with components), good chairs, a magnifying lamp, lots and lots of storage for this-and-that, heat gun, lots of shrink tube, wire in a handful of gauges and insulation colors (all teflon, if your budget allows) in solid and stranded. A variac. An oscilloscope (I have found that there are exactly two good places for a 'scope: on a cart, or in a 19-inch rack). Hand tools, and save some budget for extra hand tools as they have a high vapor pressure. Good hand tools, at that. Basic metal / wood working tools (files, hand saws, drills). Drill bits: buy good ones and you'll thank me later, buy cheap ones and you'll end up buying good ones anyway. A small drill press (one of THE most valuable bits of kit around). One of those massively heavy vises that gets bolted to the work surface (and do, indeed, bolt it in place). I've found an end-sander is really useful too. Epoxy, lots of epoxy. A set of precision screwdrivers (keep them under lock and key). A cordless drill (minimum a DeWalt). Fluke hand-held meters. A very high quality 6 or 8-inch L-square, and a decent quality 12-24 inch one. Good lighting. Lots of electrical outlets. A handful of ethernet drops.

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    Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
  41. Re:Make it like like one of those cool hacker room by Tynin · · Score: 1

    Few things look more badass then dozens of monitors tailing log files. And it must be displayed as green text on a black background, otherwise you lose *major* cool points.

  42. This is what I have in my lab by mirix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Which is sadly under utilized these days (too much real work unfortunately)

    Several voltmeters - I like the old Fluke bench units... LED displays you can see across the room, and the batteries are never dead because there are none.
    Several scopes - tek is king here.
    Drill press - bloody essential for anything mechanical at all.
    Logic analyzer, i'm partial to the HP ones
    Spectrum analyzer - pricy, but a godsend for RF work (if you'll be doing any) - HP, again.
    Power supply - hp made good ones again. you can never have too many it seems. I have some homebrew ones too - ATX supplies and random ebay SMPS units can be handy and dirt cheap, but not adjustable (you can add an external reg easily though..)
    Freq counter - hp, but fluke made decent ones. more for RF, but can be handy for digital, clocking and stuff...
    Freq gen, whether you need a lower freq audio one or one that does RF depends on what you're planning on.

    For soldering irons im partial to the hakko ones, '936' is the model, and there are plenty of knockoffs available on ebay. The genuine model isn't crazy expensive though.

    Then a PC, a few programmers, depending on what you want. I'm partial to Atmel's AVR, but PIC is big, some folks are still stuck with moto 6800 derivatives for some unknown reason, likewise with 8051's... For the money ARM is really the way to go, but I havent played with them much yet. Some sort of JTAG unit will be handy for random programming also. I usually use a linux box with avr-gcc, but some tools are win32 only, so might want to have a windows box or virtualbox around - not to mention some schematic / board layout stuff is win only too.

    For dev boards, I have a few from atmel, but some of them are pretty pricy. these guys make some nice dev boards, but I'm not crazy about their compiler. The IDE looks nice enough, but I'm used to gcc and my own editor. I have one of their AVR boards, and I use a GPL'd AVR based AVR programmer (chicken and egg if you dont already have one ;) ) with it, because their built in programmers (which work well, mind you) are windows only.

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    1. Re:This is what I have in my lab by Knyterage · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I just had a nerdgasm, I'll clean it up, I swear!

    2. Re:This is what I have in my lab by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2
      I'd like to add some stuff from my experience of working with and partially managing three big lab spaces chock-full of electrical engineers.

      1. It's a well-known generalization that the more people you have sharing a space, the less care each person takes of equipment and of keeping the area tidy. Don't buy anything that's going to make you cringe when it gets dropped or has coffee spilled into it. An organizational scheme I learned from renovating a bathroom whilst living with a nice woman who had a startlingly large array of small bottles full of various weird colloidal materials was: if you want to collect a huge load of crap all over everything provide lots of open flat area, and if you don't, make your surfaces small enough to only contain what you're working on/with, and make everything else slanted. Specifically: figure out a way to mount your oscilloscopes and bench multimeters slanted upwards so people don't stack stuff on top of them, *particularly* containers full of liquid.

      2. You can get a small, reasonably capable drillpress from the likes of Harbor Freight or Sears. The smallish model -- 1/2" drillbit, tilting table, working distance from the column of about 20 cm, seems to be exactly the same from any source, so get the cheapest one. Check out drills from a locked desk, because they *will* break and disappear. Double goes for taps. Chain the drillpress key to the drillpress because it's completely useless once that's gone and buying a key to match a no-name chuck is not actually very much fun.

      3. While AVR and particularly Arduino are *fantastic* for their existing codebase, ST's microcontroller development kits, particularly the MSP430 LaunchPad, are truly amazing for what they deliver at the price they ask. Not as much code available, though, as for the PIC or AVR.

      4. Buy test&measurement stuff off ebay. If you're doing this for people who are just dropping in, aren't paying for it, and you're not being paid to keep them happy, you can buy half-broken stuff for chump change. I bought a 125 MHz oscilloscope for $70 the other day because one of the two channels didn't work. Still, $70 is a good price for even one channel -- and I happen to know how to fix this scope, so it was a *great* price.

      5. If you have the space, provide one workspace with an ESD mat and a grounding armband, and provide one workspace with an insulated surface, clearly marked "low voltage" and "high voltage". Trying to mix them means electronics are certainly going to get fried and it's quite possible people are, too.

      I'm a big fan of the pegboard-up-one-wall plan. Another trick I learned, this one from a very bright ex-girlfriend: put all the tools up on the pegboard, and get some bright pink spraypaint, and spraypaint everything. That way you have a shadow in the shape of each tool so you know what went there, and all your tools are BRIGHT PINK which reduces their vapor pressure, if you know what I mean.

      It's also nice if you can provide enough space for a bench vise and have a hacksaw handy.

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    3. Re:This is what I have in my lab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hakko's good, but sometimes a trusty ol' weller can be good too (the tips are cheaper and last longer)
      metal tip cleaner
      30 gauge wire or a little lower to solder to traces, pins, lower gauge for running higher currents
      a heat gun to remove and replace micros or chips
      solderwick
      hand drill for fine drilling onto boards
      copper tape
      ferrites
      xacto knives (and safety glasses)
      isolated power supply and variac for non-touch-proof testing
      power supplies (for your scopes and meters, but also for low voltage electronics)
      ferrites
      esd protective stuff
      10x loop (magnifying glass)
      magnifying lamp
      solder reels/solder
      a DREMEL
      current rings

      just buy everything in technitool

      but especially...

      a label maker!

    4. Re:This is what I have in my lab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back when I was doing prototype work on my primary bench area I had a Pace PRC2000 rework station http://www.paceworldwide.com/product/view/id/94.html

      Man did I love that thing. It covers about 5-6 of the things you list on there and was great for any type of rework rework (sm/thu/multilayer). Built in dremel with a lead you attach to a test point on a layer so if you need to drill out your own via's it'll stop when you hit that layer, built in solder paste dispenser, heat gun, multiple irons, vacuum picker, thermal tweezers, vacuum pump desoldering, I think the only thing I needed to add was a hot plate for preheating sm components. Independant temp controls (covers temp offsets for weird tips too), anti-static, you name it.

      Oh and get the foot petal too, using that to control the solder paste dispenser was def worth it.

  43. One thing you did not mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you plan on actually building in this new lab? If it's to be for robotics projects, what sort of robotics? You get your big industrial robots in various shapes and sizes, but surely that's not what you want to do in there (also those are not really that cheap). Then you've got nanorobotics, but you'd probably need a REM or AFM or CT or similar devices to set up experiments with those. But that's surely out of the question, too, again for space and probably budgetary reasons.

    Anyway, for general electronics stuff you'll want a good multi-channel oscilloscope (or more), frequency generators and counters, logic analyzers could be of great use, and how about spectrum analyzers? BTW, what is frequency range of the circuits you're going to work with? The higher up the more you'll have to invest in proper tools that can handle high frequencies. Decent soldering station, desoldering station (be sure to buy something that handles SMT well). To be on the safe side with health and regulations look into exhausts for all the fumes that are generated by soldering and similar activities. For general prototyping you could do worse than to buy a CNC mill for making front panels/enclosures and prototyping PCBs. A good drill press with various bits for all kinds of materials is mandatory. And so on and so forth. I guess in your situation you'll have to decide on what you really need to do there in order to make a reasonable shopping list. Good luck.

  44. How to av by starfishsystems · · Score: 2

    It's a sad fact that most people who will want to borrow tools from your lab will not have any concept of returning them, much less of signing them out. I managed a robotics research lab for 12 years, so I know something about how this works.

    It's extremely frustrating to someone in the middle of an elaborate assembly or repair project to reach for an essential tool and discover that it has walked away with some unknown person.

    Therefore you pretty much have to keep tool cabinets locked, particularly the ones where the more popular hand tools are stored. Invest in cabinets with lots of separately-keyed doors and drawers. Always buy essential hand tools in pairs, and keep the backup set somewhere else.

    It also doesn't hurt to keep an open bin in the lab for storing cheap multibit drivers and the like. Buy lots of these, and restock as necessary. That way, people who drop by the lab to borrow something and never return it will go away happy, without causing frustration for your legitimate lab users. It's good politics, as well as allowing you to run an effective lab for the people who really need it.

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    1. Re:How to av by daid303 · · Score: 1

      Small tip, try to buy tools in awful colors. Almost nobody steals a pink screwdriver.

      We used to be losing quite a few scope probes now and then. But the last scope we got came with these really bright gay colored probes, and they are awesome, nobody dares to steal them.

    2. Re:How to av by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was in the military as an electronics tech, we had a standard issue toolkit called a TK-105, and every tool in the kit (as well as the lockable tool box) was numbered with the same shop ID number (mine was #21). Don't be caught using a tool with somebody else's number on it. When you get restationed they inventoried it and you paid for everything that was missing.

  45. Your tools vs. their tools by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

    1. Have your own tools, lock them up, lend them to no one, ever, period.
    2. Good technicians have their own tools.
    3. Good technicians keep their workplaces neat & well stocked
    4. Idiots "borrow" tools, because idiots have no respect for nor do they own any tools, they will leave them scattered everywhere and lose all of them within days of seeing them for the first time! If the company buys tools, let'em, you can't control what you don't pay for, make it clear to your manager that you think all tools should be on a sign-out basis only, and shop time also should be on a reservation schedule (especially important in very small shops). Have a written policy regarding shop safety, tidiness and security.
    5. Keep it locked at all times.
    6. Project tracking, (cross project parts pilferage) keep your projects and the parts purchased therefore segregated from others.
    7. Cost accounting, keep track of, parts, time, etc.
    8. It's easy to get sloppy, keep a checklist and keep to it!

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  46. Keep it from becoming a closet. by Reeses · · Score: 1

    The most important thing you need is every copy of the keys to that space. Don't even let the janitor have one.

    If people have keys to it, eventually someone will open the door when they're doing a building inspection, and think, "Man, this is a great place for a closet. Clear all this random junk (read: your in progress project) out of here, and we'll be able to claim X amount of square feet back on the management floor, where it clearly goes to better use."

    Seriously. Keys. Everything else is nice, but you need to control the space that was built reluctantly.

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    Reeses
  47. Hot glue gun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and lots of glue for it, no kidding they are as useful as can be.

  48. Don't do what I did by taniwha · · Score: 1
    Years ago, in my first job out of college, i was tasked to do just this - I spent a day wandering around town looking in hardware stores - a lot of the old guys behind the counter would snigger and make a smart comment - it wasn't until the end of the day I realised that "do you have any small vices" might have another meaning ....

    Just last month I found myself at the local big box hardware store looking for - you guessed it - looking for a small vice .... with a wonderfuil sense of deja-vu I got to pop the question - the young whipper-snapper there didn't even blink and took me to the aisle with the vices - kids these days, just oblivious

    1. Re:Don't do what I did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean a "vise" you tool.

  49. Nobody has mentioned the most important item... by matrim99 · · Score: 1

    Nobody has mentioned a Tesla coil. *Every* true hackerspace must have a Tesla coil; the bigger the better. Just because.

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    1. Re:Nobody has mentioned the most important item... by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Somehow I dont think a Tesla Coil in a 9'x15' office-come-lab is a good idea.

    2. Re:Nobody has mentioned the most important item... by BillX · · Score: 1

      Sure it is, if you have fluorescent lights in the lab and leave the tesla coil running, you will never have to fumble for a lightswitch again...

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  50. Lessons Learned (in another Hackerspace) by bluehrair · · Score: 1

    I'm a director of a Hackerspace in California, so I've got a few scraps of things learned the hard way. First bit is: don't let clutter build up. Be tough about broken things for restoration, and find a comfortable point where if something has been unloved for too long, that it must go. I strongly advise against permitting anybody to store anything there that is not for sharing with everybody. Make the space carry-in/carry-out. This is a great way to reduce clutter, and decrease drama and egos when people fight over territory, or tears when somebody's beloved project gets knocked on the floor and smashed. As for as organisation: abuse a label maker and try for clear containers. With a high-volume of unfamiliar people passing through, training everybody where everything belongs becomes a hell of a chore. You're better off just making it very easy for a well-meaning stranger to put things away, and to make it easy to see what is in storage containers to minimise rooting about. Keep a ready supply of fuses for your power supply etc about, people are going to be dumb and burn them up, and you don't want anybody to be tempted to "hotwire it just for a second while they try something." Reach an early understanding that the space is not liable if things left there are broken or improperly used. Also leave cleaning supplies very easy to see. People are more likely to clean up after themselves that way. Keep the drills and power tools away from the electrical station. I know "hardware" and "software" divisions make sense in the abstract to some people, but electrical people get very grouchy when metal chips wind up shorting out their boards.

  51. Get a desktop CNC! by th0mas.sixbit.org · · Score: 2

    A desktop CNC can be equipped with a plastic extruder so it could function as a 3d printer, plus it can mill circuit boards, wood, aluminum panels, enclosures, etc, etc.

    I've done a lot of reading on the subject lately and the easiest and cheapest way to get one without spending a ton of time doing your own work is:

    http://mydiycnc.com/

    For $400 (if they reach their goal) you will be able to get a complete CNC kit including spindle.

    Alternately if that falls through the next cheapest option is a Zen Toolworks kit. They are available from Amazon but you need to get a spindle, stepper motor driver board, and power supply to go along with it.

    Total cost works out towards the $600 range.

    More expensive than that are the cupcake CNC, lumenlab CNC, etc. But those are the cheapest options above, aside from the Mantis CNC which costs around $300 completely outfitted. Unfortunately it also takes the most time as you have to cut all the parts by hand and the guy who designed doesn't seem too interested in helping random people build their own.

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  52. Racks, Metro Shelves, Power, Earthquake Bracing by billstewart · · Score: 2

    If you're doing anything computer or network related, you're going to need a 19" rack, and you should get it upfront so you can allocate the space to access the front and back. You'll want some shelving in a fixed location, but rolling shelves or carts let you effectively use the space in back of your racks. You'll want lots of electricity, and usually Wiremold is the winning way to deploy it. The real trick, if you're in a US-like country, is deciding whether you only need 110v or also 220-240v.

    Your Building-management people may have lots of opinions about whether you can have 220vAC, and whether your racks, shelves, and desks need to be earthquake-braced, and what kind of HVAC you can have, and whether they need to install fire sprinklers or other fire suppression systems if you're soldering things. Let the wookies win - You will not successfully work around them, and you'll occasionally want them to be your friends, even if some of them are corporate droids. When I built a lab in the mid-90s, in San Francisco, I could have had it up and running in a couple of weeks for a couple of thousand dollars, before we hit the "earthquake bracing" question; by the time I was done, 6-8 months later, we had $900/seat "workstations" (that's the desks, not the $300 computers sitting under them), and an extra A/C system in the ceiling that only occasionally iced up and leaked, but we also had all the electric supply we needed to run a couple of eventually-full 19" racks.

    And you do want some kinds of cabinets or toolboxes to store miscellaneous stuff - the Sears Automotive tool drawers can be nice for random parts, and you'll want somewhere to keep random crap that isn't visibly cluttered, and some bookshelves for books.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
    1. Re:Racks, Metro Shelves, Power, Earthquake Bracing by Defenestrar · · Score: 1

      The cabinet drawers should have sturdy rails since you're likely going to have some dedicated to power supplies and some to solenoids and motors (you said robotics right?). Those things can be heavy enough on their own, wire can add up in weight too.

      Lighting is key - get extra and make sure you've got decent bulbs. Even if you don't work with surface mount, small electronics work is so much better with good lighting (mine is jury-rigged). You might want to consider having one or two of those giant lenses on an arm - that may be an after addition though. Some are bench mountable.

      I confess to being jealous - I've only recently won the right to retrofit an electronics bench in a small 9x9 lab which is split with a ceramics station. Congratulations

      It's probably not a facilities thing, but make sure you've got lots and lots of boxes for small things. The facility design comes with making sure there's the right sized storage for lots of boxes of small parts. So either buy the cabinets to fit the boxes you have, or buy the boxes for the cabinets. Some of those stackable mini-drawers are good for benchtop access, but don't go overboard on things you plan to keep on the benchtop since you'll lose working space.

  53. Welding in an office building? NSFW! by billstewart · · Score: 1

    If you've got a 9x15 space for your lab, it's probably in an office building, and probably in a city, and there are so many sets of rules that you will not be able to meet if you want to do it safely and legally. For welding, you need things like cement floors, lots of ventilation, fireproof construction, beefed-up electricity, safety inspectors, fire code compliance, appropriate insurance, etc. etc., and that's if you're doing something nice and clean like MIG or spot welding, as opposed to acetylene torches. Not gonna happen, unless you start working from the beginning with your building people to find out what they need you to do.

    The real question is going to be whether you can get approval for soldering, which still takes a decent fireproof bench and some ventilation.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  54. it sort of all comes down to the budget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but this is what we have at work - i rarely ever find myself at a task i dont have tools for

    electronics tools
    adjustable/programmable power supplies, more channels than 1 prefferably - you can make do with smps adapters, voltage regulators etc etc but nothing really beats a decent psu in ergonomics have a hp 4 channel programmable one, you can get cheaper one(s)
    oscilloscope - a must have for all your time changing signals - a logic analyzer input is a bonus if the os has one - have a 4 channel 1GHz agilent one, you can find a cheaper one
    arbitary signal generator - generating time changing signals if you dont have one will be a very time demanding task - i have tecktronic one on my desk
    programmers - elnec has some good universal ones, you need to get your code to the hardware somehow, you can always diy or use eg atmel chips with boot assistant but with a universal programmer its just so much sinpler
    radio tools: spectrum analyzer, vna, rf signal gen, power meters.. there are some jobs you just cant do without but the hardware is really very pricey, its nice to have but you probably cant afford it, we have Rohde and Schwarz instrumets
    rackable programmable multimeters - again cost a lot but are nice to have on your desk and very ergonomic in some tasks. i use keithly ones mostly
    a proper welding station, not an iron you plug into wall. nice features are smd tweezers, vacuum and more than one soldering iron hot at once. again you can have just your avarage one with single iron, flat wide tip will be good enough for 98% of the tasks - we use weller ones
    logic analyzer if your os didnt come with one, i dont have this and i often wish i did
    a large breadboard, nothing beats that in fast prototyping
    microscope or real good magnifier, for finding these pesky short circuits on smd pcb-s

    cabling tools(now these are lot cheaper so you can get most of these):
    good pliers - a must have tool
    cable strippers - ever find yourself in need to soulder 50 wires and only have a knife?
    knives/scalpels
    hot shrink tubing of various sizes - once you try these you never want to see a piece of sticky tape again

    mechanical power tools:
    a dremel - solves a lot of mistakes
    cordless drill, with anywhere from slow to high speed, dont take the cheapest one - will drill holes, screw screws, bolts, nuts, taper thread(in soft materials with M5 and above), etc, irreplacable
    drill bench - for holes that have to be straight and true

    bits:
    drillset 1-10mm with 0.5mm step
    taper bits
    unibit eg step drill, good for larger holes in metal and plastic

    manual mech tools:
    screwdrivers - all sorts dont think that single size crossed one or flat one will do, you need anything from large to real tiny
    allen key set, one end with ball ends - better than any other bolt heads, except maybe torx
    wrech set, +an adjustable one
    hammer - good for hitting things witrh
    hacksaw

    im sure this list can get a lot longer but this should be about the most of tools i daily use, adjust the list to your budget, you dont have to have everything

  55. Fricken' Sharks by billstewart · · Score: 1

    So you're going to need some water tanks and a faucet.

    Why yes, I actually *do* work in an underground lab0ratory for my day job.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  56. Re:Make it like like one of those cool hacker room by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    I just changed my terminal colors to green on black B-)

    OK actually this sucks. I'm gonna have to use white on black when nobody's looking.

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  57. Though not into that, I've seen one by KingAlanI · · Score: 2

    Some side areas of the Innovation Center on the RIT campus are dedicated to that purpose.
    Sometimes separate walled-off rooms, sometimes an open area on the edge of the big room.
    While walking around, I've noticed:
    The tables were trapezoidal and on wheels (easily reconfigurable arrangement)
    * They seemed to be relatively normal tables; not sure fi what you're doing would require ones that could handle a lot of weight under them.

    Probably could use more outlets and Ethernet ports than we already have.

    Small personal lockers in addition to the storage racks for tools

    [These particular hackerspaces seemed more suited to software AFAIK; not sure if hardware stuff would require more space.]

    Do you want to play around with oldschool equipment, or focus on up-to-date stuff?

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  58. Heres what we have by jimmyswimmy · · Score: 2

    IAAEE and I do design work; I'm in my lab daily and helped design the current lab. My lab has two separate spaces, one for mech work and the other for EE work. The mech lab has a bandsaw, drill press, grinder, lathe and milling machine. For the space you have I'd say get the mill. You can use it to drill, cut and face a small workpiece. Look at Grizzly tools (basically Harbor Freight) for decent deals and ok quality equipment.

    The EE lab has a lot of kit. You need at least one dual power supply for each station where you'll do electrical work (look at BK, they have several value items), as well as a soldering iron. For irons the near-instant heat types are truly awesome and IMO well worth the cost. We like Weller but as long as they get hot they'll work fine. One piece of advice - however many soldering stations you intend to have, you should buy them all at one time. Weller loves to keep redesigning the tips so I have to stock five different families of tips in my lab. Don't waste money on benchtop multimeters, for the cost of one great Agilent we got four Fluke 77's - sufficient for most work and more easily portable. You need at least two multimeters per EE station. You should also invest in scopes if you do anything analog. You must have at least one good scope in the lab for every two EE's, and you should also have a bad scope. We have some cheap Teks as well as one awesome MSO4000 series which has a 16 channel mini-LA - expensive but worth every penny. If you do much digital look at the USBee for a cheap LA. Also at least one good function generator is very useful; look at Agilent and SRS for good ones. You may need a spectrum analyzer depending on what you're doing, too.

    Back to the basics, though. You can fit two 6' benches on each 15' wall with space between. Global Industries sells these at reasonable cost but Costco might have some near you for ~$150. A good bench will have a hutch shelf with a row of outlets on it (outlets you can see are really important, but you can also get a 6' industrial power strip instead if you need). I'd get two, and a stand for the mill, as well as storage. A good rolling tool rack (with ball bearing slides! don't skimp on that!) and a cabinet will use most of the other wall. Look at a good shelving cabinet like Akro Mills make if you will stock small parts. Expensive but an excellent way to store and organize your SMT parts or hardware. And think about how/where you'll store your scrap mechanical stock - you might still have room for a good open vertical shelf.

    You will want all the storage you can fit in there. Think about a layer of shelves at 6.5' off the ground all the way around the room for rarely-used equipment. And your lab needs power and data. You should have a dedicated power circuit (or two) for the lab and more ethernet ports than usual (preferably two per work station or more). Finally since you are short on space you should try to get a laptop dedicated to lab use, and preferably one with a real db-9 serial port on it (or a base station with one).

    That would be my Christmas list for your lab. Hope it helps.

    --

    Just my $0.55 (US inflation, 1774-2008, for $0.02)
  59. a real reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should get a function generator, oscilloscope, a good DC power supply, and a temperature controlled soldering iron. these are the basic pieces of equipment you will most likely need. also you will need to pick a manufacture for a microprocessor you intend to use, and get a programmer for it. this should cover the digital end. The nice thing is that these should all fit on a decient workbench nicely.

  60. Isolation transformer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another thing which is valuable at all times:
    Get a decent mains isolation transformer so you can test and analyse mains powered stuff too. (like smps) I always remembered the sentence: "Your oscilloscope was never designed to float"

  61. Heard in the hackerspace this morning by otter42 · · Score: 1

    This is only related because it was said in my hackerspace, this morning:

    Q: How many hackers does it take to... do anything?
    A: Three. Two to watch and one to demonstrate.

    P.S.: If you happen to be in Luxembourg, we're selling chocolate keyboards this weekend.

    --
    www.eissq.com/BandP.html Ball and Plate System. Amuse your friends. Crush your enemies.
  62. An essential by NetServices · · Score: 1

    You need to add a pinball machine. Preferably something from the late-80's to mid-90's. It is great for morale.

  63. Elevating toolbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And watching your tool box get knocked off a raised B1 stand or off the horizontal stab of a heavy to see it bounce and then create a wonderful FOD pattern on the ground...only priceless if it was not your shop! Otherwise it was a pain in the neck to find every piece!

    I just saw a special Make magazine that talks about organizing the perfect shop, and on page 6 they have a shot of a toolbox made by Adam Savage. The neat thing is that it has a scissors lift style base so he can elevate it from floor to bench height.

    I mention this because I'm wondering if something similar would keep your toolbox from falling over.

    1. Re:Elevating toolbox by gonzo67 · · Score: 1

      When you are 40 or 50 feet up on a maintenance stand, a method to raise the box 4' would not help. Same with working on the top of the T-tail of a large cargo plane...sometimes stuff happens!

  64. Make Magazine 2011 Tool Guide has details.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may find Make Magazine's 2011 Ultimate Tool Guide useful for this. Has a lot of information/suggestions, and only costs $10. (Granted, there are a lot of advertisements that masquerade as articles, but still.)

  65. Get This Book by Brian+Edwards · · Score: 1

    Build Your Own Security Lab: A Field Guide for Network Testing by Michael Gregg ISBN 978-0-470-17986-4 http://www.amazon.com/Build-Your-Own-Security-Lab/dp/0470179864/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1291996372&sr=1-1

  66. Re:Welding in an office building? NSFW! by plcurechax · · Score: 1

    whether you can get approval for soldering, which still takes a decent fireproof bench and some ventilation.

    Electronics soldering is quite safe. Most standard office furniture (e.g. particle board with melamine) should be fire resistant enough by nature to be safe enough, and any sane workbench would be a non-issue. A small square of hardboard (high-density fibreboard) as a temporary tabletop protection is an approach I've used with no problem in locations without a workbench.

    An small to medium wattage soldering iron with a stand is quite safe.

    While the soldering fumes can provoke and may cause to asthma (due to rosin fumes) and can contain lead oxide (in lead based solders), the health risk can be managed through ventilation such as an activated carbon filtered fume extraction fan, which you can make yourself.

    Oh, and wear pants, soldering in shorts is dangerous.

  67. Car Guy Garage by head_dunce · · Score: 1

    Call these guys, they did a 3D Google Sketchup of my garage with all the storage options I wanted - http://www.carguygarage.com

  68. Re:Welding in an office building? NSFW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whether you can get approval for soldering, which still takes a decent fireproof bench and some ventilation.

    If you are going to be doing any plastics work, that is another reason for ventilation--I got into big trouble with the office building neighbors when curing some smelly acrylic resin (clear casting resin). The "lab" room had a ceiling vent, but a bit of toilet paper wouldn't stick to it, so there was basically no air flow, at least not when I tested it. My work-around was to put the curing resin into an airtight sealed box.

    If you use power tools (drills, grinder, etc), the noise could be a problem. Consider a door with a good air seal--plugging all the cracks is the first step in noise isolation.

  69. Ane most importantly ... by eyore15 · · Score: 1

    .... a kick-ass sound system (doesn't make any difference what's in the workspace if you can't hear the tunes).

  70. "pretty heavy" by alizard · · Score: 1

    doesn't mean drill presses, The tabletop bent as soon as the press was put on it and it became evident that the anchoring bolts would come out in a hurry if anyone bumped into it. I had to add plywood reinforcement to make it safe.

  71. get good circuit-board holder & lighted magnif by alizard · · Score: 1

    I use Panavise, a base plus the board holder, and other things can be attached to the base.

    Get a good lighted magnifier on a swing arm, the kind where there's a circular light source (fluorescent or ring of LEDs) surrounding the magnifier.

    Each will cost around $70, and they're well worth it.

    When one is doing printed circuit board soldering, or examining surface mount PCBs, it really helps to be able to see what it is you are working on with a nice, shadowless light. And for the board to be up where you can easily work on it.

  72. Don't forget by Geminii · · Score: 1

    If you're going to have hardware hacking tools, at some point you will need a medkit. You may also want a landline phone with the physical address of the hackerspace next to it, so that anyone who needs to call emergency services for any reason will be able to give directions.

    That aside, keep an eye on the cost of 3D printers and snag one once it comes into your price range. Additionally: don't forget to surge-protect your power sockets and be able to isolate your USB and network sockets both logically and physically - you never know what some people might plug into those things.

  73. Equipping a Small Hackerspace? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Makezine has a new guide book out, 2011 Ultimate Workshop and Tool Guide, that goes through how to set up and equip a workshop.

    Falcon