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EPA Knowingly Allowed Pesticide That Kills Bees

hether writes "The mystery of the disappearing bees has been baffling scientists for years and now we get another big piece in the puzzle. From Fast Company: 'A number of theories have popped up as to why the North American honey bee population has declined — electromagnetic radiation, malnutrition, and climate change have all been pinpointed. Now a leaked EPA document reveals that the agency allowed the widespread use of a bee-toxic pesticide, despite warnings from EPA scientists.' Now environmentalists and bee keepers are calling for an immediate ban of the pesticide clothianidin, sold by Bayer Crop Science under the brand name Poncho."

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  1. Re:Good job by rekenner · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    What a bunch of stupid

    Yeah! Totally agreeing with you, there!

    niggers.

    ... Oh. Oh, well. Uh. Hm. You almost had it, there!

  2. Re:Good job by vuke69 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I'm intrigued by your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter... No seriously, I would.

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  3. Re:EP(what?) by monkyyy · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    would have mod`d if u wernt anon

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  4. Re:EP(what?) by trentblase · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The purpose of mod isn't to reward commenters. It's to raise visibility for worthy comments. So next time, mod anon up so that people reading on +2, etc. can see the good comments.

  5. Re:Good job by geegel · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I'm a marketer, you insensitive clod

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  6. Re:Some Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The bigger news is that

    'A number of theories have popped up as to why the North American honey bee population has declined — electromagnetic radiation, malnutrition, and climate change have all wrongly been pinpointed. Now a leaked EPA document reveals that the agency allowed the widespread use of a bee-toxic pesticide, despite warnings from EPA scientists.'

    Climate change is ... not ... responsible for some calamity. Don't expect this to get much press coverage, resulting in the idiotic fact that you will hear regularly 5 years from now how climate change is responsible for the decline of bees in North America.

    Like the gletsjer "misprint", that states every gletsjer will be gone by 2030, when they meant that if co2 keeps rising like it does today (ie. exponentially) they *might* be gone by 2300 (and ignoring the fact that if we burn all fossil fuel in the ground at the current rate, co2 increase will level out by 2080 at the latest (probably sooner), and the gletsjers will therefore keep existing no matter how badly we fuck things up).

    This leads to the kind of remarks that we all know, like Snowfall in Britain will be a thing of the past. In case anyone's wondering how to blow up one's credibility in a single sentence : That was a pretty good way to go about it. IPCC claim : "Snowfall will be a thing of the past". Promptly dozens of people freeze to death, in a winter blast not seen for a hundred years (okay the second article is from the wrong year, but I couldn't find a better one, but there's been quite a few horridly cold winter blasts in europe now).

    I wonder why idiots, especially in politics, keep repeating these things. When asked, they claim that even if it's a lie, it's for a good cause. That's another good way to blow up your credibility, as it's a blatant admission that the only reason you believe in the theory of climate change is the politics resulting from it. Exactly the accusation climate skeptics make.

    That's one thing I truly don't understand. Suppose we burn all oil in the ground, and half of all coal. That will result in an athmospheric co2 concentration that is actually *below* the IPCC targets. So if we have no climate accords or treaties at all, we will do *better* (not worse) at keeping co2 out of the athmosphere than with the treaties in place. I truly don't understand why people act so hostile to these suggestions. And obviously, like most of the UN's actions, climate accords actually make things worse, not better.

  7. Re:Good job by imakemusic · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    If you're in advertising or marketing... kill yourself.

    No, no, no it's just a little thought. I'm just trying to plant seeds. Maybe one day, they'll take root - I don't know. You try, you do what you can. Kill yourself.

    Seriously though, if you are, do.

    Aaah, no really, there's no rationalisation for what you do and you are Satan's little helpers. Okay - kill yourself - seriously. You are the ruiner of all things good, seriously. No this is not a joke, you're going, "there's going to be a joke coming," there's no fucking joke coming. You are Satan's spawn filling the world with bile and garbage. You are fucked and you are fucking us. Kill yourself. It's the only way to save your fucking soul, kill yourself.

    Planting seeds. I know all the marketing people are going, "he's doing a joke..." there's no joke here whatsoever. Suck a tail-pipe, fucking hang yourself, borrow a gun from a Yank friend - I don't care how you do it. Rid the world of your evil fucking makinations. Machi... Whatever, you know what I mean.

    I know what all the marketing people are thinking right now too, "Oh, you know what Bill's doing, he's going for that anti-marketing dollar. That's a good market, he's very smart."

    Oh man, I am not doing that. You fucking evil scum-bags!

    "Ooh, you know what Bill's doing now, he's going for the righteous indignation dollar. That's a big dollar. A lot of people are feeling that indignation. We've done research - huge market. He's doing a good thing."

    Godammit, I'm not doing that, you scum-bags! Quit putting a goddamn dollar sign on every fucking thing on this planet!

    "Ooh, the anger dollar. Huge. Huge in times of recession. Giant market, Bill's very bright to do that."

    God, I'm just caught in a fucking web.

    "Ooh the trapped dollar, big dollar, huge dollar. Good market - look at our research. We see that many people feel trapped. If we play to that and then separate them into the trapped dollar..."

    How do you live like that? And I bet you sleep like fucking babies at night, don't you?

    "What didya do today honey?"

    "Oh, we made ah, we made ah arsenic a childhood food now, goodnight." [snores] "Yeah we just said you know is your baby really too loud? You know?" [snores] "Yeah, you know the mums will love it." [snores]

    Sleep like fucking children, don't ya, this is your world isn't it?

    -Bill Hicks

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  8. Re:Good job by geegel · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Not necessarily, but he has a point.

    Right... Care to elaborate more or is this just your way of godwinning an argument?

    Of course things have. What specifically are you talking about?

    I don't know... maybe the explosion of the frigging Internet? You might not be aware of it, but once an online presence is built, people don't exactly tend to flock to it. It's more like building a mall in the middle of the desert: The land is dirt cheap, but you will have problems finding customers. Marketing is a vital tool in this regard.

    Why, thank you. I'm afraid your spelling and grammar don't impress me.

    FTFY

    Fruity Loops sucks. Give me some credit.

    Credit must be earned. So far, you've failed spectacularly in this regard.

    Ah, now that you've put it so eloquently I see how my comment was in error - I'm retarded. I see. You explain yourself well and in doing so bring enlightenment and a greater level of mutual understanding between the two of us.

    If you act like an asshole, don't be surprised when you get kicked. You want a reasonable argument? Act like it.

    Well, whatever. I won't maintain that you should kill yourself - though you could consider a change of career - but judging by your lack of actual response (other than angry blustering and the classic tactic of trying to discredit your rival without actually bringing anything useful to the discussion - you really do work in marketing!) it seems I hit a nerve...

    A nerve you've hit. You directly attacked the integrity of myself and my profession.I know that to some people this might not mean much, but to me it does.

    As for your "useful" advice, I've helped more people in my position of marketer than you could possibly imagine. I'm proud of my profession and I won't hesitate to defend it from douchebags who think they know it all.

    P.S. Wise move in switching to AC posting. There's no better way to highlight the conviction of your beliefs.

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