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ITU Softens On the Definition of 4G Mobile

alphadogg writes "After setting off a marketing free-for-all by effectively declaring that only future versions of LTE and WiMax will be 4G, the International Telecommunication Union appears to have opened its doors and let the party come inside. In October, the global standards group declared that after long study, it had determined which technologies truly qualified for its IMT-Advanced label, sometimes called 4G (fourth-generation). Only two systems made the list: LTE-Advanced, an emerging version of Long-Term Evolution technology, and WirelessMAN-Advanced, the next version of WiMax, also called WiMax 2. Neither is commercially available yet. Stripping the official 4G title from current LTE and WiMax, which both had claimed it, was the perfect foil for T-Mobile USA to wholeheartedly advertise its HSPA+ (High-Speed Packet Access) network as 4G. But in a recent press release about the opening of the ITU World Radiocommunication Seminar 2010, the august United Nations-affiliated agency appears to have caved in."

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  1. I'll have a go at it... by mevets · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Technological innovation in the mobile space has been swept aside by marketting innovation.

    1. Re:I'll have a go at it... by davester666 · · Score: 2

      It is now defined as: "4G = Whatever the major US carriers are selling today"

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    2. Re:I'll have a go at it... by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      I have a brilliant idea. Let's just measure wireless internet speed the same way we do consumer broadband -- by the actual speed of the service, rather then using all these "-G" codes. Honestly, "2.75G"? Talk about splitting hairs!

    3. Re:I'll have a go at it... by Korin43 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But then they'd have to admit that 4G and 3G are sometimes exactly the same.

    4. Re:I'll have a go at it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Feeling the same way here. My guess is this isn't so much a 'softening' of the definition, as some director at ITU throwing up his hands and yelling "Fine! They want to call it 4G, they can call it 4G! If anyone's looking for me, I'll be in the 4G bathroom, taking a 4G shit from all the 4G burritos I had at lunch."

  2. Re:Can someone summarize the summary? by SuperSlacker64 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, I just skimmed it, but it didn't make anything clearer. What I get from it and understand is this:

    • The ITU defines what 3G and 4G mean, and who can call their services by those names.
    • The ITU hadn't defined 4G officially, so LTE and WiMax called themselves 4G without official permission.
    • The ITU made a big long study on all this.
    • The ITU defined 4G, and neither LTE, WiMax, or any other existing '4G' network made the cut.
    • LTE-Advanced and WiMax 2 can be called 4G, but neither of them is in usage yet.
    • If you have a phone that says its 4G, it's lying.
  3. *sigh* Here's the only relevant sentence from TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as "4G", although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed.

    So they're not relaxing the standard; EDGE is still 3G (per IMT-2000), and LTE is still not 4G (per IMT-Advanced), etc.; however, "it is recognized" that everyone calls EDGE 2.75g, and LTE/WiMax/HSPA+ 4g, and that standards are as usual irrelevant to marketing.

  4. it's about time we got a better definition... by burtosis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now if they would just redefine unemployed as employed we could fix the entire US economy in one fell swoop!

    1. Re:it's about time we got a better definition... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      I think you just earn a degree in marketing for that.

  5. The mobile tech formerly known as 4G by noidentity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All this activity over the definition of 4G? It's kind of interesting, because it so clearly shows the standard marketing activity of taking a word that evokes a feeling in people, and connecting that with some product. Here, 4G apparently evokes the feeling of "best phone technology", and it's a mad scramble to have particular technologies labeled with the term, so that people will feel it's the best phone technology (why? because it says so!). What does the term actually mean? Apprently very little, beyond being a historical artifact of this silly activity.

    1. Re:The mobile tech formerly known as 4G by WCguru42 · · Score: 2

      For $2,000 I'll build you one that goes to 12.

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    2. Re:The mobile tech formerly known as 4G by sponga · · Score: 2

      It basically means you get broadband speeds 14mbps, pretty simple I just a lot of people here are over analyzing it and all parroting the same message. Basically you don't want to have a dozen different names for a certain set of speed.

      If you name your service a dozen different names, it does no one any good. Maybe Super-4G will probably be 20mbps but I think they are all in the general range there.

      Get over it....

  6. Here comes 5G by sunderland56 · · Score: 2

    So when the carriers implement true 4G, the marketeers are sure to call it 5G.

  7. Re:Can someone summarize the summary? by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you have a phone that says its 4G, it's lying.

    But do you really? Think of it this way, most people don't have a clue what 3G is other than that service that lets me view facebook on my phone without waiting a day for the page to load. Most consumers assume 4G is the next iteration of the number, and take it to mean exclusively "the next thing after 3G that will be faster". If marketing companies claim WiMax is 4G, and it is faster who ultimately cares what the specific standards are.

    I mean consumers will buy based on marketing, and sometimes based on the tech specs. If 4G according to the carriers meet a certain speed requirement, then who's the standards body to say that no we'll reserve 4G for something even faster after devices have already started shipping and advertising money has been spent. Ultimately the consumers who are buying their 4G device will get the latest and greatest faster technology and the fact that the definition changes doesn't make their phone suddenly slower.

    I'm glad the ITU apparently caved, the tech world is confusing enough as it is without one term meaning many different things.

  8. We already do, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First of all, the "-G" codes are quite notable. Transition from 1G to 2G (from analog to GSM) was a massive technological leap. Transition from 2G to 3G was also massive leap (effectively brought usable internet access to mobile devices). The transition from 3G to 4G is supposed to be something comparable to those two: Something that is a massive step forwards in terms of tehcnology and/or really does revolutionize the way we use mobile devices. That being the case, it's pretty simple and useful to look at the devices in terms of what "-G" tier they are... Of course, this assumes that things can't be labeled nG too easily, that there really is some massive (ie: Not just notable. Double or triple the speeds? Notable but nothing revolutionary.) difference between 3G and 4G. It seems that won't be the case anymore...

    That said, I find your statement about the actual speeds of broadbands to be amusing. When it comes to broadbands, we use terms like "unlimited", "speed is [theoretical maxium speed]", etc... We already use those same terms with mobile devices but they're even less useful in that realm as the enviromental variables are greater.