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Navy Uses Railgun To Launch Fighter Jet

Phoghat writes "In 2015 the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford will take to the seas and the plan is to use a railgun to launch planes, instead of steam powered catapults. From the article: 'The Navy developed its Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System as a replacement for the steam catapults currently used on aircraft carriers. The EMALS is a linear induction motor that's capable of accelerating a 100,000 pound aircraft to 240 miles per hour in the space of 300 feet. Compared to a steam catapult, the railgun catapult is much smaller, more efficient, simpler to maintain, gentler on airframes, and can deliver up to 30% more power. It's also capable of being cranked down a whole bunch, meaning that it can also launch smaller (and more fragile) unmanned drones.'"

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  1. A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Informative

    n/t

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    1. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by icebike · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Same accelerator concept though. Maybe what they have built is flexible enough to handle both roles.

      Linear induction motor that's capable of accelerating a 100,000 pound aircraft to 240 miles per hour in the space of 300 feet.

      One wonders how is that any easier on the airframe?

      Anyone know how you calculate G-forces in this kind of acceleration?

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    2. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by blackraven14250 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would guess it's easier on the airframe because it can have a different acceleration curve. I imagine a steam driven catapult as having high power at the onset, but lower power at the end, while an electronic method like this can have a more gradual push.

    3. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I also wonder if it is simply a smoother curve, with less bumps and jarring. This would seem to be much better for a controlled acceleration, not just at G force or final speed, but for the entire range in between. With steam, it would seem they just pushing it at full throttle for the whole distance.

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    4. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      Jerk is probably what you should look at, not acceleration.

    5. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by GloomE · · Score: 3, Informative

      v = 400km/h = 111m/s
      s = 100m

      v^2 = 2as

      a = v^2/2s

      a = 12321/200

      a = 61m/s^2

      g = 9.8m/s^2

      a = 6.3g

    6. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by wiredlogic · · Score: 2

      They are switching to the linear motors for the reliability. Steam catapults need extensive maintenance on a regular basis which cuts down on the available capacity to launch planes

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    7. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Same accelerator concept though.

      No, it is not. It is far more similar in concept to a mass driver.

      A railgun consists of two parallel, electrically conductive rails, each connected to one terminal of a charge storage device (usually a capacitor, but if you've got something better, go with it). The charge storage device is charged to full power, and then a conductive projectile is placed across the rails, completing a circuit.

      The completed circuit resembles a large inductor, in that it is a large conductive loop with current flowing through it, whose inductance is proportional to the area enclosed by the loop. The magnetic field generates a force upon all the components of the railgun, but since the projectile is the only part not rigidly fixed, it is moved by the force. The force acts to increase the size of the inductive loop, driving the projectile away.

      The key component to note here is that the projectile needs to be conductive, not ferromagnetic, and the rails must be exposed in order to pass current. This limits military applications because the presence of dirt in the rails could break the circuit, causing an electric arc flash, causing the system to act more like an arc welder. Also, the rails wear out due to the heating caused by the lack of superconductivity.

      Read the Wikipedia articles for Railgun and Mass Driver more details.

    8. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While the question could have been phrased better, it isn't as simple as you make it out to be.

      You know that the starting velocity is zeroish(maybe a little bit of taxiing; but negligible) and that the end velocity is 240mph; this makes calculating average acceleration over those 300 feet trivial; but it doesn't much help you in determing the actual shape of the acceleration/time graph.

      It is quite possible, for instance, that an electrical system has a nearly perfectly constant acceleration, while getting the same out of a steam driven system(whose volume is presumably changing continuously) would be some fairly tricky plumbing.

      From an airframe maintenance perspective, I assume that it is the sharp spikes of peak acceleration that cause the most trouble, and those are what a system capable of neatly constant acceleration could avoid...

    9. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 4, Informative

      A lot fewer moving parts and better control over the stroke energy

      Looks like they've done over 220 test fires of this already in 2010

      http://www.navair.navy.mil/NewsReleases/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.view&id=4468

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_Aircraft_Launch_System#Advantages

    10. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      I was wondering what advantages this has over steam. Maybe it's easier to route cables than pipes?

      Much easier.

      On the other hand, you're already producing steam for the engines

      They are producing steam for the generators that produce electricity for the engines.

      ...steam pipes don't short when they get wet.

      The Navy has been using large electrical machines on shipboard for over 100 years. I think they know how to keep seawater out of them.

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    11. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      The EMALS [navy.mil] (electromagnetic air launch system) is a Linear Induction Motor...

      Actually, it's a linear synchronous motor.

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    12. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps. But depending on the capacity of the steam reservoir - which is presumably huge on a nuclear aircraft carrier - the pressure drop is almost certainly negligible. What the motor permits (just looking at the performance aspects) is the acceleration curve to be tailored to the airplane.

    13. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by fluffy99 · · Score: 2

      "I could see a role for LIM directly as a weapon only..."

      It fires armed airborne bomb/missile launchers, sounds like a weapon to me.

      Actually they are developing railguns for launching projectiles and weapons. If the weapon doesn't need to have a chemical propellant it makes it much smaller and you can carry a lot more. All electric propulsion is being worked on as well. This is all part of the larger Navy initiative towards all-electric ships. Electricity is cheap and plentiful when you have up to 8 reactors onboard.

      As a side note, the Navy did a study for converting smaller ships to nuclear instead of oil. The cross-over point for total cost of ownership/operations was at $140/barrel for oil.

    14. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by kindbud · · Score: 5, Informative

      Perhaps. But depending on the capacity of the steam reservoir - which is presumably huge on a nuclear aircraft carrier - the pressure drop is almost certainly negligible.

      It's not. I've manned the steam generator control station on an aircraft carrier, and the drop in water level and steam pressure is dramatic and it takes several minutes to recover. Of course, we had 16 steam generators on the USS Enterprise in the 80's. Perhaps the newer carriers with just 4 steam generators (2 per reactor) are more efficient. But I do recall flight ops were a very very busy time for the MMs in the hole.

      This looks like a big improvement. Electricity generation is a much closer to a steady-state kind of operation for a naval nuclear power plant.

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    15. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Informative

      You know that the starting velocity is zeroish(maybe a little bit of taxiing; but negligible) and that the end velocity is 240mph; this makes calculating average acceleration over those 300 feet trivial;

      Actually, it doesn't. Average acceleration is defined as the change in velocity divided by the time interval over which the velocity changes: a_avg = delta v / delta t. The problem here is that you aren't given delta t, but rather the distance through which the jet accelerates. Now, if you know the acceleration is constant, it is easy to calculate the acceleration by means of the formula v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2a delta x, but for non-constant acceleration, delta t over a fixed distance will depend on the shape of the acceleration curve. Therefore the average acceleration will also depend on the shape of the curve.

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    16. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by kindbud · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They are producing steam for the generators that produce electricity for the engines.

      Are you sure about that? Isn't the Gerald Ford one of the Nimitz class carriers? Those have steam turbines to turn the screws. ...after Wikipedia lookup...

      Nope, it's the first of a new class. How about that. Last time I saw an electric motor turning a screw was at prototype training following nuclear power school.

      Damn! They're going to launch it with systems installed that only use half the available generating capacity. They expect to be able to put lasers on it in the future and have the juice to fire them. Sci Fi is no longer Fi.

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    17. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

      The advantage is they are building in massive electrical generation and distribution into this generation of carrier. They are looking forward to railgun and solid state laser point defense systems to replace the current CIWS which is thought to be outclassed by today's best surface skimming missiles and will surely be outclassed during the 50+ year horizon for the class. Add in reduced maintenance and increased availability during peak operating times (all jets scramble) and you have an easy sell. It's also much easier to patch a damaged electrical system, all you need is the right gauge spare cable and a few tools. With a steam system you have to find the leak (no TDR) and patch it to a high pressure steam fight finish, a much more difficult task.

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    18. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      If you've got seawater on your flight deck, there's a pretty good chance you're not launching airplanes off it...

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    19. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As being an MM many years ago, I can attest that steam is a real bitch to deal with. First there's a lot of maintenance involved to keep the cat risers in top order. And the steam to operate them places a lot of demand on the plants. If it's hard to "make water" for some reason, some birds may not be flying that day. (Running generators to charge capacitors means you could keep a lot more of that water in closed loop and a lot more held in reserve.) Not only that, but steam isn't exactly the most efficient working medium. Steam or at least the heat associated with it has a funny tendency to leak out in places and thermal insulation isn't perfect, so you have a lot of spaces on a carrier that can inadvertently become saunas. (And it's already too F'ing hot in places like the Persian Gulf. A/C can't always win when adjacent to some steam system.) A slow leak (as opposed to a much more noticeable one that's jetting out), is going to end up with a lot of water or condensation pooling around somewhere. (There's usually catch trays for that, but that means more plumbing. And those drains can and will plug up at times. Not to mention extra valves for DZ and all that.) Also with the rush of steam in pipes, there's a LOT of noise generated. Just the whoosh of the mass moving, or constant tic-tic-tic of thermal expansion and places where water hammer may be occurring in the lines. Then of course with the steam catapult systems, there's these huge pistons. So those things are massive in their own right in addition to the weight of the aircraft. And they're not exactly easy to work on and require a whole lot of grease. If there's a big enough problem with one of those, the carrier pretty much has to go back to the shipyard.

      Now some old timers may look at it with disdain, as it makes A-Div less needed aboard ship. Not to mention there'd be less talk between M-div and topside. But from my perspective, anything that means less running outside of the plant for engineering means that the ship would be operating much more efficiently. Less shit to fix, and therefore less shit to go wrong. Then again life in E-Div on a carrier will probably get more interesting, as more and more systems go from steam to electric and require EMs where MMs used to be involved.

    20. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 2

      When my brother was on the USS America (1973) they had a few waves break over the flight deck during a cruise that took the ship north of the Arctic circle. He took some really spectacular pictures so not just "a story." The America was only a tad smaller than the Nimitz and Ford. They wouldn't have been there if they didn't think they could operate aircraft.

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    21. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by arivanov · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not necessarily. Multiple injection steam pusher is a concept old as the world. Most submarine launchers are like that - as the missile goes up more nozzles come into play on the sides giving it a good enough kick to clear the submarine and the water above it without breaking it in the process.

      The article misses the biggest advantage of electric vs steam. Electric has a much lower chance of failures in sub-zero temperatures. Steam is a nasty business at -5 or less. It condenses and freezes at all the inevitable leaks along the catapult pusher path. A couple of launches and the pusher is bound to get stuck damaging the aircraft in the process.

      IMHO, A ship with an electric catapult (or a ramp) has "Arctic/Antarctic war" stickered all over it. On the positive side this means that we are done with the Gulf and its surroundings. On the negative side this is one place which has seen very little war (except the North Atlantic portion of the Arctic in 1941-44).

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    22. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 2

      I meant he missed the point of it. Average acceleration is a average line through the entire acceleration profile and can be simply calculated by the formula as stated by the GGGP.

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    23. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by JustinRLynn · · Score: 5, Informative

      MM = Machinist Mate, think Mechanical Engineer but for maintenance operations on mechanical equipment. EM = Electrician's Mate, think Electrical Engineer but for maintenance operations on electrical equipment. A-Div: various shops and other groups that maintain the mechanical systems such as Hydraulics, AC, Steam and Heat, the catapults, fire pumps and water distribution systems, among others. M-Div: Machinery division refers to the group of MMs. E-Div: same for EMs. Afraid I don't know what DZ means, though it's a METAR code for drizzle, so perhaps that's what's being referred to. No first hand knowledge here, just stuff gained from reading, so please if you've got first hand or links, please correct.

    24. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by Nyh · · Score: 3, Informative

      To accelerate a 100000 pound object to 240 mph requires an energy of 260 MJ (sorry I converted all units to SI before I started calculating so you have to convert it back to BTU or kcal or whatever the right unit for energy you want to use yourself). Assuming a linear acceleration over 300 feet to 240 mph gives an acceleration time of 1.7 s. This results in an average power of 153 MW. AFAIK there is no electrical turbine that will supply an extra 153 MW at the flip of a switch. Electrical energy has to be stored somewhere to let the catapult work.

      Nyh

    25. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      > EM = Electrician's Mate, think Electrical Engineer

      The "Mates" are skilled technicians, not engineers.

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    26. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Perhaps. But depending on the capacity of the steam reservoir - which is presumably huge on a nuclear aircraft carrier - the pressure drop is almost certainly negligible.

      It's not. I've manned the steam generator control station on an aircraft carrier, and the drop in water level and steam pressure is dramatic and it takes several minutes to recover. Of course, we had 16 steam generators on the USS Enterprise in the 80's.

      32. Eight reactors, 4 steam generators per reactor.

      Perhaps the newer carriers with just 4 steam generators (2 per reactor) are more efficient. But I do recall flight ops were a very very busy time for the MMs in the hole.

      ...

      Nope. Somebody was lying to you. We just needed to watch our water levels in the secondary. Which on the EnterPig you had to be on top of anyway - and that was 20+ years ago. I can't imagine how bad that ship is now.

      Of course, some could fuck up even the watching of water levels. One PPWO "lost" 7,000 gallons of water - and it wasn't even during flight ops. Since the 4 steam plants on the Enterprise could be interconnected in some ways, he was calling around to the other EOS's trying to find his lost water. The joke in the wardroom later was, "How the hell can you lose 7,000 gallons of water? And not be able to find it? 7,000 gallons of water will find YOU!" Prior to this incident, this one officer's nickname was "Rock" - as in "dumb as a". After someone remarked "He's not a rock, he's a fucking boulder" because of the "lost" water, he was known as "Boulder".

      The full nickname has been redacted to protect the not-so-innocent.

    27. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      Unless the turbines of the reactor can power these things directly without any need for buildup.

      They can't, but the system stores energy in flywheels, not capacitors.

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    28. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      7,000 gallons of water will find YOU!"

      You just blew your cover, Boris. It sounds like you were serving on a Soviet Russian carrier.

    29. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by VolciMaster · · Score: 2

      My understanding of the reason that they reduced the number of reactors after the Enterprise was that anything that took even one of them out of commission was pretty much going to reduce it to fleeing and you don't need a grip of reactors for that. The plan for a carrier is for it to be well-defended enough to not need that kind of redundancy.

      The Enterprise, as the first nuclear naval vessel, went with a very conservative design - they put in one reactor to replace each of the diesel engines on the previous design, ending up with 8 reactors.

    30. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by Fyzzler · · Score: 2

      Slight correction. G-force is 6.4184332 My prior answer used 32feet/sec^2 instead of g = 32.174 ft/s^2

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    31. Re:A linear induction motor is not a railgun. by budgenator · · Score: 3, Informative

      Probably not, as the steam piston moves down the bore, it takes increasing volumes of steam to be delivered to maintain the constant presure and that is unlikely to be possible. The gas flowing through the pipes is going to encounter resistances which will cause presure and temperature flucuations, the nice dry superheated steam is going to have areas where condesation occures and saturated steam results causing even more flocuations. Most of these effects will be chaoic and erratic so they build some over-kill into the system to compensate. The video of the launch looked real nice and smooth, regualar steam catpults launches seem much more jerky.

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  2. Very cool by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2

    Now they only need a more efficient way of catching the planes when they land.

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    1. Re:Very cool by radish · · Score: 2

      I'm imagining a giant electro magnet.... :)

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    2. Re:Very cool by reaper · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When I was working on the arrestor portion in 2001, we had a system controlling two linear induction motors attached to the arrestor cable. Turns out that yes, you can use this type of system to stop planes, it is effective in many situations where planes come in at odd angles (the system pulls the plane towards the center of the deck), and you can recover power from it.

      However, if you wire the position encoders backwards, the motor cores eject quite violently as soon as the control system is turned on. Thankfully, interns are surprisingly good at dodging.

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  3. Re:Rail Gun Weld by osu-neko · · Score: 2

    Isn't one of the problems with railguns that sometimes the projectile will weld itself to the rail?

    Only at sufficient speeds/friction. There's no reason a railgun-based aircraft launcher would be more prone to this problem than a steam-based one.

    What happens if that occurs with a jet launcher on the rail, and a plane hooked to that?

    Same thing that happens now if the thing gets stuck.

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  4. Couldn't wedge an "I" in there? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

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  5. Re:Rail Gun Weld by causality · · Score: 4, Informative

    Isn't one of the problems with railguns that sometimes the projectile will weld itself to the rail? What happens if that occurs with a jet launcher on the rail, and a plane hooked to that?

    As another poster pointed out, this technically isn't a railgun. It's a linear motor. This is more like a mag-lev train. The other big advantage is that in a real railgun, the rails need frequent replacement.

    If you were expecting technical accuracy from our esteemed professional Slashdot editors, that day has not yet arrived. They're still trying to figure out how to work a spell-checker and how to use basic English grammar. As long as the ad revenues and the paid account revenues keep on flowing, I suppose they don't feel much pressure to get these things right.

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  6. Carrier stumbles over chair, 1000's Embarresed by Usagi_yo · · Score: 2, Funny

    USS Gerald R. Ford? You have to be kidding me. What's next. USS Chevy Chase?

    1. Re:Carrier stumbles over chair, 1000's Embarresed by rossdee · · Score: 2

      They did name one after Daddy Bush though. (And fair enough because he did fight in WWII in the Navy. Carter got a sub named after him because he was a sub captain.

    2. Re:Carrier stumbles over chair, 1000's Embarresed by DesScorp · · Score: 5, Informative

      USS Gerald R. Ford? You have to be kidding me. What's next. USS Chevy Chase?

      Trust me, many Navy vets (including this one, who served on a carrier) are tired of the Navy naming our biggest capital ships after politicians. Layups like George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, no problem. But Gerald Ford? Really? There's a feeling in the Navy that we should stick to traditional names.... the Essex, the Hornet, the Lexington, etc, for our most prominent ships. But don't look for this practice to end, because appealing to political egos helps grease the Congressional appropriation machine.

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    3. Re:Carrier stumbles over chair, 1000's Embarresed by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Informative

      Carter was never a sub captan. He served on a submarine but was not a commander.
      Actually the shouldn't have named the sub after Jimmy Carter or the Carrier after Bush. It is tradition that no Navy ship is named after a living person. It was broken by the Burke class. It was unintentional because it takes so long to design a new ship that the Navy was sure that Burke would have passed on by the time the Burke was launched. He lived to a very ripe old age and mess up tradition.
      There is no reason to not name a ship after a President of the US and what most people don't know is that Gerald R. Ford was actually a very good president under considering what he had to work with. He as also a very good and honorable man as politicians go. I don't think you can find a single blemish on his record and historians today say his pardon of Nixon was the right thing to do.

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    4. Re:Carrier stumbles over chair, 1000's Embarresed by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know that Gerald Ford had a naval career right? He lead a fire control team that saved the escort carrier USS Monterey.

      Ford, Carter and George H.W. Bush all had naval careers, both Ford and Bush were on carriers and have carriers named for them, Carter was in the submarine service and has a submarine named for him.

    5. Re:Carrier stumbles over chair, 1000's Embarresed by ilo.v · · Score: 2

      They did name one after Daddy Bush though ... fair enough because he did fight in WWII in the Navy.

      My apologies, I assumed everyone would know that, but you are right, we should explain that here.

      In the US Navy's defense, they do have a "theme" where many aircraft carriers are named after U.S. Presidents:

      USS John F Kennedy
      USS Dwight D Eisenhower
      USS Thodore Roosevelt
      USS Abraham Lincoln
      USS George Washington
      USS Harry S. Truman
      USS Ronald Reagan
      USS George H.W. Bush
      USS Gerald R. Ford

      "Daddy Bush" was indeed a real honest-to-god carrier pilot, and actually did real honest-to-god fighting. He had already been admitted to Yale, with the war time draft deferment to go with it, but joined the Navy instead. He became the Navy's youngest pilot. He was shot down while bombing a Japanese radio tower on Chichi Jima, winning the Distinguished Flying Cross. (His plane was hit and on fire but he finished his bombing run first before bailing out).

      My not so funny joke was pointing out that things were going to get a lot less defensible if they continued to follow the calendar and named the next two after Clinton and Baby Bush. (See, ma, bipartisan dissing!)

    6. Re:Carrier stumbles over chair, 1000's Embarresed by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 2

      Maybe if they shared similar characteristics to the people they were named for.

      I can see the USS Dubya never leaving dock.

    7. Re:Carrier stumbles over chair, 1000's Embarresed by asylumx · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter_(SSN-23)

      Really? Not even a simple google search?

    8. Re:Carrier stumbles over chair, 1000's Embarresed by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2

      The US was out of Vietnam, Congress had stopped funding the South Vietnamese military in the fall of '74, so how exactly is the Fall of Saigon Ford's fault?

  7. Re:But why have a catapult at all? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

    because US Navy needs to launch large aircraft with significant payload (unlike the brits or russians)

  8. Re:Rail Gun Weld by Rakishi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Only at sufficient speeds/friction. There's no reason a railgun-based aircraft launcher would be more prone to this problem than a steam-based one.

    As I understand the issue, it has nothing to do with friction. In fact it's probably more likely to get welded if it's going too slowly.

    A rail gun is basically an arc welder in a way, you're passing massive amount of energy in the form of electricity through the interface between the rails and projectile. A high power rail gun has enough energy passing through to basically vaporize nontrivial amounts of metal off the rails every time it's fired. If you're unlucky on the other hand it'll simply weld the projectile to the rails.

  9. Re:Space Flight? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    The concept has been advanced; but my understanding is that(beyond the capital costs of building a gigantic magnetic accelerator) there are issues, for most payloads because of the incredible acceleration needed.

    A rocket enjoys continuous thrust, so it can be relatively leisurely about reaching escape velocity. A magnetically accelerated pod has only the length of its accelerator track(and, unless you want that track to be very short or very expensive, you are likely launching at an angle other than vertical, thus travelling through more atmosphere to reach orbit). This means that your accelerator pod ends up pulling some hundreds of Gs for a few seconds, which cuts down on the sort of payloads you can launch. Water? sure. Food? some forms. Crew? only if you like meat paste...

  10. Re:But why have a catapult at all? by icegreentea · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The maximun launch weight on pure ski-jump systems are much much lower than catapult launches. The old British carriers for example were stuck launching Sea Harriers which had a max take off weight of 12000kg. The F-18 (the original one... they've all been replaced by heavier planes) had an EMPTY weight just 1000kg less than that. It's max take off weight from a US Carrier was almost over twice that of the Sea Harrier.

    The new British carriers (suppose to launch Eurofighter variant) will also have a catapult.

    The catapult is another point of failure. That's one reason there's 4 on a ship. And that's reason why US had an advantage. They had an unbroken string of experience designing, building, and maintaining catapult systems since the end of WW2.

  11. Re:But why have a catapult at all? by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes because cats are a better solution.
    You can launch heavier aircraft with a cat than with a ski jump. The Russians and UK can not operate aircraft like the E-2. Also the UK is going to put cats on their latest carrier because the F-35b may fail.
    Also a Ski jump can not launch while the carrier as at a stop which can be useful.

    So yes the sky jump has one benefit but a lot of drawbacks. The Russians used them because it was a low risk for their first real carrier. The brits used them because they only had the Harrier. It did work very well for the Harrier but the Harrier was not as good of a fighter as the F-14 or F-18. It also was not as good of an attack aircraft as the F-18, A-6, or A-7. But it was better than nothing.

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  12. Re:Space Flight? by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't forget fuel. The least 'sci-fi' way to really open up the solar system is to use something like railguns to get fuel (and water too) to orbit for cheap, and get the crew and food to orbit using cheap things like the Dragon/Dream Chaser/Orion Lite capsules.

    Most of the Saturn V stack was fuel. If we can get a reliable on-orbit refueling infrastructure in place, you could launch a moon landing on a Saturn I and do it easily within the current NASA budget. No heavy lift needed.

  13. Re:But why have a catapult at all? by jklovanc · · Score: 5, Informative

    Where fighter and bombers get all the glory there are a few equally important heavy aircraft that need catapults to launch:

    AEW:
    Aircraft such as the the E-2 Hawkeye http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_E-2_Hawkeye are critical to hiding the location of the fleet. If the enemy sees a ship based radar they know where the ship and usually the fleet is. If they see an airborne radar the fleet could be very far away. Also airborne radar can see further.

    COD;
    Carier Onboad Delivery, Need those critical parts or personel delivered outside of helicopter range? Need to evacuate critically injured personnel? You need a long range aircraft to do it.

    Tankers;
    Need to extend range to a target? Need to loiter for long periods on CAP. Need a sip of fuel to get back to the carrier because you used to much afterburners in the fight? Tankers are your friend. This role is currently done in the US Navy by the F/A-18E/F http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F/A-18E/F_Super_Hornet#Tanker_role

    Without catapults none of these aircraft would get off the deck.

  14. Re:Rail Gun Weld by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2

    As I understand the issue, it has nothing to do with friction. In fact it's probably more likely to get welded if it's going too slowly.

    A rail gun is basically an arc welder in a way, you're passing massive amount of energy in the form of electricity through the interface between the rails and projectile.....

    Think of a long, overpowered Jacob's Ladder with a slug where you'd expect the expanding arc.

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  15. Re:But why have a catapult at all? by afidel · · Score: 2

    The Brits converted their F-35B order to F-35C's in October.

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  16. It's more than just the weather by sean.peters · · Score: 4, Informative

    Steam systems are a nightmare to maintain in any weather conditions - switching from steam to electricity has been an ongoing process in the Navy for decades. The old Charles Adams class DDGs had all-steam propulsion plants - meaning that every oil pump, fuel pump, and every other system ran on some kind of steam. Those guys spent their lives maintaining steam turbines. As time has gone by, the Navy has gotten away from steam in a big way for exactly that reason - all that steam technology required a lot of sailors to keep running, and sailors are expensive. For what it's worth, I'm qualified as a Navy Engineering Officer of the Watch (EOOW) in 1200 lb steam, so I have some considerable personal experience with this.

    I also think that you're likely to get performance improvements from EMALS. So I really doubt that this move has much to do with an anticipated Arctic war - there are big advantages to moving away from steam in any weather conditions.