BYTE Is Coming Back

BYTE by maxrate · 2010-12-23 07:01 · Score: 0, Troll

BYTE ME!

Re:BYTE by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:03 · Score: 1, Funny

just a nibble
Re:BYTE by mcgrew · 2010-12-23 07:22 · Score: 4, Insightful

Well, since as TFS says, "The new version isn't replicating the focus of the old BYTE — it's focused on the use of consumer tech products in a business environment — and I'm pretty positive it won't feature Robert Tinney's art or epic Jerry Pournelle columns", than I agree with your sentiment. They can BYTE me.
That's a real byte in the ass; the magazine without all the things that made it great is bullshit, just another stupid tech blog featuring electronic bling.
The old BYTE magazine, now that I miss. In depth articles about hardware hacking, software hacking, phreaking, schematic diagrams, source code listings, etc., it was a true nerd's dream, which was why it was the one that "employees of every other tech mag got used to being compared unfavorably with."
I doubt I'll even like this reincarnation. Kind of like a doberman being reincarnated as a chihuahua.

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Re:BYTE by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:25 · Score: 0

Your proposal is acceptable.
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Re:BYTE by mcgrew · 2010-12-23 07:26 · Score: 0

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Re:BYTE by TheRaven64 · 2010-12-23 07:31 · Score: 4, Insightful

Yes, I'm not sure why the author of TFS is glad to see the brand back. I couldn't care less about the BYTE brand, but I loved the BYTE content. Like the multi-page article about the new one micrometer process, looking at the history of process technology, how it has kept pace with Moore's Law, and how the new process worked. Yet another web site about consumer technology in the business world? Who cares?

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Re:BYTE by vegiVamp · 2010-12-23 07:35 · Score: 0

You're thinking entirely along the wrong lines.
It's more like a doberman being reincarnated as Steve Ballmer.

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Re:BYTE by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:36 · Score: 0

BYTE! My shiny metal ass.
Re:BYTE by countertrolling · 2010-12-23 07:44 · Score: 0

They're the "New" Black Panthers... not at all like the original... Where's "genuine advantage" when you need it?

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Re:BYTE by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:52 · Score: 1

It's because back then, people into computers generally understood those things and were fairly technically literate. Now, they generally don't, and they're mostly technically illiterate. Like most things, computing got dumbed down when it got trendy among Joe Sixpack. It stopped being about anythin with any depth, and started being about superficial consumer culture.
No surprise then that this is what the media caters to.
It's also why people are no longer capable of making informed decisions about technology. They don't understand it. It's magic to them, so anything that requires thought about its impact is right over their heads.
Re:BYTE by commodore64_love · 2010-12-23 07:56 · Score: 3, Insightful

>>>the magazine without all the things that made it great is bullshit,
Pretty much. Like reviving the Bionic Woman or Knight Rider and then changing the whole premise of the show. Of course that worked in the case of Battlestar Galactica, but when you're already dealing with a good show (or magazine) there's no point abandoning it.
BTW I've never read Byte. At least not that I remember. My main two addictions were RUN for commodore VICs and 64s plus AmigaWorld (essentially the same as RUN but for 32-bit instead of 8-bit machines). I don't think BYTE would have interested me since I never owned an IBM PC at the time, and from what I remember that was it's main focus. Another magazine I remember was COMPUTE's Gazette but never subscribed to it since it didn't feel as polished or useful as RUN.
So: Just curious: What killed the magazine? - I see Jerry Pournelle is still writing his columns. Love his stories; never read his tech columns: http://www.chaosmanorreviews.com/
RUN (1984-93) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_magazine
AmigaWorld (archives) http://amr.abime.net/issues_30
Byte http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_(magazine)

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Re:BYTE by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 08:03 · Score: 0

Actually it's not, because that'd be a big improvement over most chihuahuas. This is just another shivering leg-humping lapdog. Some idiot bought BYTE's collar for it because they know it'll never merit attention for content.
Re:BYTE by ushering05401 · 2010-12-23 08:06 · Score: 1

The branding is lame, but the intention might have some wiggle room before being condemned to death. I have tried several times to find open source sites that were trying to bridge the knowledge gap with new Linux users. It is tough. If the subject is tackled with the same underlying educational bent as the old pub then maybe it will prove useful.
The biggest WIN would be if they could stake out the meeting ground between the uneducated user and the over-matched admin. I don't think anyone is doing this particularly well right now.
Focusing on threes would be good. A fluffy Esther Schindler type buzz-fest for the C level, an insightful feature/spec commentary for the implementors, and a consumer empowerment style review of associated devices/products for the honey-bees. Then you tie it together with well staffed forums.
That would be refreshing, right? If anything, a quick swim through the more technical parts of the forums could put some pie-in-the-sky C* types into their places ;) It can be healthy to clack decision makers in the balls on occasion.
Re:BYTE by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 08:13 · Score: 1

The new Byte will be written who were not born when the old one was in print. I lived in Africa ... we read Byte there ... we also read Compute! and of course Atari Format ... the code listings were awesome. In 1983 there was also an article on how to build a small robot controlled by Basic ...
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Re:BYTE by rbmyers · 2010-12-23 08:37 · Score: 1

Arguments that technical people (or that people in general) used to be smarter or more technologically capable really should make an effort to explain away the Flynn effect.

The technological products available to the average consumer have a level of sophistication that would have been unimaginable even to Byte's earliest readers. Technological products require more in the way of abstract reasoning, and today's consumers (especially the young ones) seem equal to the task. Those who confuse remembering zillions of details (like HEX representations of opcodes) with being intelligent might not agree, but it's because they are confused, not because they are smart.

Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. It never was.
Re:BYTE by ColdWetDog · 2010-12-23 09:01 · Score: 1

The technological products available to the average consumer have a level of sophistication that would have been unimaginable even to Byte's earliest readers.
While this may well be true, you're next sentence.

Technological products require more in the way of abstract reasoning, and today's consumers (especially the young ones) seem equal to the task.
What? The iPhone / Facebook / Modern web browser / overly engineered washing machine with the 'computer' readout requires 'abstract reasoning' beyond very basic English? Abstract as in painting or are you using another definition? Those examples (and countless others) are popular because they are so simple that my Labrador Retriever can use them. Maybe Twitter requires some fairly interesting rationalization as to why anyone is interested in your life, 140 characters at a time, but 'abstract' reasoning, it isn't.

Those who confuse remembering zillions of details (like HEX representations of opcodes) with being intelligent might not agree, but it's because they are confused, not because they are smart.
I think you're you're confused. Now, perhaps those designers of these technological wonders have training well beyond those of the average BYTE reader of days yore, but the users, not so much. Not by a long shot.

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Re:BYTE by mcgrew · 2010-12-23 09:05 · Score: 1

BYTE covered pretty much everything concerning computing, from the Commodore 64 to supercomputers to NAND and NOR gates, etc. It was kind of a Dr. Dobbs Lite.

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Re:BYTE by swrider · 2010-12-23 09:21 · Score: 2

Gawwwd! Jerry Pournelle was one of the major reasons I canceled my subscription to Byte. The fact that the content was turning to drivel and the size of one issue ballooned to the same size as six issues from the early days, due to ads, was another.

Why on earth would anyone want to pay money to read Pournelle's whining about how someone didn't give him enough free stuff; his gloating about how much free stuff he got; the schilling for his kid's for fee software; and his ragging on people trying to make a living off their software by selling it?

In fact, in 1995 when Internet World started to have a Pournelle column, I wrote them and said that if they continued to push his drivel I would not only cancel my subscription, but would recommend to everyone I knew to not read their rag. I doubt very much that I was the prime cause, but enough other people must have felt the same way I did because they dropped his column.

I have Byte magazine from the first issue up into the early 1990's. They should leave the name to rest in peace.
Re:BYTE by rbmyers · 2010-12-23 09:36 · Score: 2

You, of course, understood the Tectonic shift that social media represented and could know at at exactly what level to pitch it so that people who had never used such a thing before could see right away what to do with it. That's why you have six billion dollars and Mark Zuckerberg doesn't.

As to your Labrador retriever and modern computer interfaces and the concept of abstraction, you might note that even very basic English is missing from most interfaces. At the top of my Chrome browser, there is a series of icons and no words. If you hover on the icon, you can get English words. In order to do that, your Labrador retriever would have to master a number of tasks: knowing to look at the top of the page in the first place and that that is a common feature of browsers, hovering over the task as a possible way of getting some suggestion as to what the icon might do, and some system of abstract reasoning that approximates what IQ tests measure so that your Labrador retriever doesn't have to check out each icon randomly each time (what class of tasks would be suggested by a wrench, for example).

I don't think my generation, which thought it really grooved on techie details, would even have presented the opportunity that Mr. Zuckerberg had for getting rich so fast because it wouldn't have grasped the point, a phenomenon that delayed widespread acceptance of the fax machine until it was largely irrelevant.

I don't know why I'm bothering with this. I think it's hopeless.
Re:BYTE by HermMunster · 2010-12-23 10:34 · Score: 1

Jerry was incredible in his day. I loved reading his columns. It was one of the main reasons for doing so. When they went paywall that destroyed them. Jerry today has his own blog but it seems to be to extreme for my tastes now, where he talks politics often more than technology and he expects everyone to believe him--to take him at his word.

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Re:BYTE by Plekto · 2010-12-23 10:42 · Score: 1

It does make me wonder, though, what happened to actual technical computing magazines. Sure, there are a few obscure Linux and similar ones out there, but getting into the nuts and bolts of a computer was(and still is) most of the fun. I suspect that instead of seeing "setting up your own home CNC machine for $500", we'll see yet another review and ad-driven site like all of the rest.
Actually I KNOW that we'll see that as the parent company to all of this is responsible for degrading education to the point where older books from the 70s actually do a better job of giving you usable facts and knowledge. I've seen the "state approved" textbooks my son is forced to learn from and they are nearly useless - full of factoids and snippets and tons of overblown pictures. You could physically fit ten paragraphs in the same space of actual information. But I guess that would require reading... I've tried to use the math programs online that he's forced to use for homework and they're a complete joke as well. You spend twice the time just fighting the interface to put in your answer as it would take to just write it down on a piece of paper.
It's becoming ever harder to obtain real knowledge because the media, books, and computers have all been dumbed-down to the level of a twelve year old. All the media you can ever want or need at your fingertips, but none of it worth anything more than entertainment for simpletons.
I don't care what's new or what's coming or what's shiny. I want to find new ways to use what I already have. I'm tired of having to look stuff up online and then finding it just referencing a book or article somewhere. "You can do really amazing things with your own home based CNC machine" ( essentially what that article here on slashdot this last week was going on about) yet all it did was point to a commercial site. No plans or parts list, no code, no anything about telling you about doing it yourself. Just where to maybe open your wallet and pray it comes to market for a 200% markup over cost.
Re:BYTE by maxrate · 2010-12-23 11:02 · Score: 1

Wow /. is a tough crowd (Score:0 Troll) - the masses interpret things in the negative for the most part. "BYTE ME" could have easily meant "I like Byte, sign me up" - I can see why that would score me a zero, but I'm a little surprised considering folks on here love to be so witty. Wasn't meant to read 'bite me'. Merry Christmas! and lighten up!!! :) (not a troll)
Re:BYTE by budgenator · 2010-12-23 12:03 · Score: 2

Oh no I remember articles on stuff like how to interface stepper-motors to an RS232 serial port to connect to an etch-a-stretch and program listing to make the whole gizmo work as a plotter on a 6502 or making a CPU card using a Z8000 for the S100 bus. There were focus issues on new-fangled Operating systems like Unix, Artificial Intellegence, Lisp, Forth, Pascal, C; they were all over the place in the golden age. The IBM PC did take them down the slippery slope, but they fell from a great height.

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Re:BYTE by budgenator · 2010-12-23 12:11 · Score: 1

The other thing I loved about Jerry, and everyone else was things that could break, would break when he was around. If you wrote a program or made some hardware and sent it to Chaos Manner and it functioned properly there, you were golden because it would function anywhere.

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Re:BYTE by Hovsep · 2010-12-23 15:12 · Score: 1

I agree with you. Pournelle was a long winded whiner and I never really understood what his "fans" saw in his column. While he did have some useful content, he sure took the long path to get to the it.
Really miss Micro Cornucopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Cornucopia) more than Byte. Sadly they folded just little over a year after I discovered them.
Re:BYTE by hawk · 2010-12-23 18:36 · Score: 1

>I couldn't care less about the BYTE brand, but I loved the BYTE content.
Exactly.
It's not Pournelle & Ciarca that you need, but the type of content they wrote.
My first encounter with Byte was reading an article on adding an external stack to your 8008, giving it "most" of the difference between the 8008 and the 8080, for a mere 20 (30?) chips . . .
[for the kids, the 8008 was an 8 bit, but with only a 14 bit address space, and a 7(?) layer internal stack (two bytes each). The 8080 instead had a pointer to a stack in memory, with no fixed depth limit].
No, we weren't much likelier to build most of the things than we were to build a 100mpg car from the article from a Spitfire chassis, small tractor engine, and fiberglass molds as described in a Popular Mechanics article, but they took us through what it *would* take to do it.
hawk
Re:BYTE by hawk · 2010-12-23 18:38 · Score: 1

>While this may well be true, you're next sentence.
Now *that* is a mishomophonia we don't see very often; it's almost universally the other direction . . . :)
bawm
Re:BYTE by hawk · 2010-12-23 18:43 · Score: 1

>I don't think BYTE would have interested me since I never owned an IBM PC at the time,
>and from what I remember that was it's main focus
That was very late BYTE.
Byte made it's mark in the 8 bit days, when the 4 bits were still worth discussing at times.
hawk
Re:BYTE by hvm2hvm · 2010-12-24 00:56 · Score: 1

There should be modding for -1 Scary. Your post gave me a frightnening sensation, I couldn't even let myself have a mental image of it.

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Re:BYTE by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-24 03:06 · Score: 0

Technically, child, the size of a byte is not necessarily 8 bits. It depends of the system. Also, a nibble has more then one definition. It is sometimes defined as 1/2 a byte, but other times it means less than one byte, but greater than one bit. Maybe we should revoke YOUR geek card.
Re:BYTE by Migraineman · 2010-12-24 04:19 · Score: 1

Zombie Rag - you know what happens when you bring something back from the dead. It'll sorta resemble the original, but it'll have doll eyes (pretty pics with no meat behind them,) and an insatiable appetite for brains (advertising.) Might even have an aggressive attitude toward non-subscribers (Top 10 Ways to Get Into IT Management.)
Re:BYTE by commodore64_love · 2010-12-24 05:33 · Score: 1

>>>I have Byte magazine from the first issue up into the early 1990's.
Atariage.com is in process of scanning BYTE into its computer for display on the web. Please go to the forums and post a message volunteering to help out.

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"Consumer products in a business environment." by brennanw · 2010-12-23 07:04 · Score: 1

So... sort of an Infoworld-lite, then? Ugh.

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Re:"Consumer products in a business environment." by Shikaku · 2010-12-23 07:19 · Score: 0

So... sort of an Slashdot-lite, then? Ugh.
Fixed.

i'm not.. by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:06 · Score: 1

But I'm glad to see the legendary brand back in use rather than sitting in limbo."

I'm not excited since the only thing in common between the new and the old is the brand. We don't need yet another mag /blog/site that raves about how people use trendy electronics (mainly apple) in their lives.

Re:i'm not.. by SanityInAnarchy · 2010-12-23 07:29 · Score: 1

Yeah, I'm a bit sick of brand-recycling in general. Even if they were good, there's a good chance fans of the original would be disappointed -- nostalgia is a capricious thing.

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Re:i'm not.. by vegiVamp · 2010-12-23 07:38 · Score: 1

It is hard, if not impossible these days to get, say, the schematics of your chosen popular electronic device. Fans of the original being dissapointed has nothing to do with nostalgia, and it's not a good chance, it's an absolute certainty.

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Re:i'm not.. by SanityInAnarchy · 2010-12-23 08:36 · Score: 1

My point was that this kind of move in general never works well. Before we even consider whether BYTE could work, does brand-recycling ever work?

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Zombie Byte by Craig+Maloney · 2010-12-23 07:06 · Score: 3, Insightful

So, it's going to be yet another useless publication in an already crowded arena? I mean, Dr. Dobbs is pretty much a parody of itself, and there's few print magazines that are worth the time investment to even open the magazine. What's this new iteration going to provide, other than a stark reminder of the mojo that Byte magazine no longer has?

Re:Zombie Byte by gmuslera · 2010-12-23 07:16 · Score: 0

Don't read it with too much attention. Will eat your brain.
Re:Zombie Byte by Yvanhoe · 2010-12-23 07:26 · Score: 2

Internet killed the need for tech-related publications on dead-tree materials. Nuff' said.

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Re:Zombie Byte by interval1066 · 2010-12-23 07:33 · Score: 1

Yeah... uh, what previous and next posters say... another "slick", glossy, brain dead fluff rag/web site that will feature some new iPhone app or some bit of consumer plastic you can hook up to your xbox? Do we really need this? We even already have that on G4 with "Attack of the Show", which used to be a really great show "The Screen Savers" hosted by Leo Laporte and focused on true geek tech. Apparently that was too geek so they glossed it up to the abomination it is today. As though we really need more media junk food.

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Re:Zombie Byte by Third+Position · 2010-12-23 07:35 · Score: 1

True enough. I remember when Computerworld used to publish information actually useful for writing code, like algorithms and such. Not that you'd know that they ever did such a thing if you'd read it at any time in the last 20 years.
Hell, I remember when Slashdot was pretty much an All Linux, All The Time forum frequented only by hard-core techies.
The trend in computer publications seems to be to cater to either consumers or IT managers. For techies, the proceedings are pretty thin gruel. Unfortunately the smart money says the reanimated Byte will probably meet the same fate.

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Re:Zombie Byte by noidentity · 2010-12-23 08:16 · Score: 1

So, it's going to be yet another useless publication in an already crowded arena?

Yeah, but it's going to be called BYTE! Sure, it's going to have totally different content, but the name, BYTE. Surely that's enough for you to go out and buy it right away, right?
Re:Zombie Byte by postbigbang · 2010-12-23 11:02 · Score: 1

Yeah, it's a "brand".
Did you notice that there was a recent COMDEX, too? It was online. You didn't have to wait for taxis.

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Re:Zombie Byte by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 12:21 · Score: 0

Who cares if it's useless! The brand is back! It's all about the branding, not the content. Or weren't you here for the Reagan era? (Actually that doesn't matter, you're on Slashdot, you should know by now.)
Re:Zombie Byte by hawk · 2010-12-23 18:54 · Score: 1

>Hell, I remember when Slashdot was pretty much an All Linux, All The Time forum frequented only by hard-core techies.
Never mind that, I recall Slashdot breaking tech news before the Wall Street Journal (before it became "WSJ Today"). I paid a lot less attention when my morning WSJ reported tech news that would come later in the day here. Now fox & cnn seem to report most things hours or days ahead . . . occasionally I peek, out of some misdirected bit of nostalgia (and occasionally hit a nugget such as Byte).
hawk
Re:Zombie Byte by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-24 03:53 · Score: 0

Only in the US where magazines were pretty poor anyway.

What? by Mashiki · 2010-12-23 07:07 · Score: 4, Insightful

Why? Seriously? If you're not going to bring back the whole point of an original magazine then why dump something on the market that's already covered by other publications. It would be like bringing back Commadore Compute, but without having the programs you could copy, edit, and modify for your own amusement. Argh.

But you know, I honestly think there could be a market for a revamp of things like that. Games/apps/etc, published either online or magazine, where you could show kids and get them involved in things like programming. Hell it worked for me.

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Re:What? by HomelessInLaJolla · 2010-12-23 07:20 · Score: 1

That was Computes! Gazette
Heat Seeker 64! If you took the time to type in the compiler. Intro to 6502. Mr. Nibble. CMD Hard drives, 512k RAM expanders, etc.

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Re:What? by sloth+jr · 2010-12-23 07:26 · Score: 2

It worked for me as well - BUT: I think the barrier for entry is too high for kids today; in the early 80s when Byte was truly at the top of its game, there just wasn't a lot you could DO with computers without access to great resources like Byte or Creative Computing.
Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:28 · Score: 0

"Commadore"? Really?
Re:What? by Nemyst · 2010-12-23 07:41 · Score: 1

Actually, it's just like the Commodore 64 resurrection that's essentially a netbook without a screen that's housed in a case similar to the C64. They're trying to ride off the nostalgia factor to sell you crap, and it might just work. Sigh.
Re:What? by vegiVamp · 2010-12-23 07:59 · Score: 1

Didn't I read that there was to be a new Commodore some time back ? Only nothing like the Commodore, both in hardware (hopefully...) but neither in spirit.

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Re:What? by Mashiki · 2010-12-23 08:12 · Score: 1

I'd argue differently. I learned to write programs with 5k of memory(that'd be on the old vic20's), until I got an expansion cartridge for well more memory. You can get free vb compilers, you can even get visual C++ for free from microsoft, or if you prefer dev c++ and run it on 'nix.

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Re:What? by commodore64_love · 2010-12-23 08:47 · Score: 1

You sound like my old pal from middle school. He started with a VIC-20, expanded to a 32K addon, and then bought an Amiga somewhere around 10th grade.
I started with a Commodore Plus/4 which prematurely died, which was fortunate because the +4 was not a good computer. Commodore generously upgraded me to a free 128 --- best 8 bit machine ever made (included a builtin C64, but with twice the memory/resolution, and a CP/M business mode).

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Computer Shopper by NetServices · 2010-12-23 07:07 · Score: 5, Funny

I thought the Computer Shopper was the most beloved computer magazine of all time.

Re:Computer Shopper by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:14 · Score: 1

Unless you're a mailman. I bet he cursed my name every month he delivered that phone book.
Re:Computer Shopper by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:31 · Score: 0

I thought the Computer Shopper was the most beloved computer magazine of all time.
They were great for propping up 15-inch CRT monitors which didn't come with a stand. Of course a three-year old phone book would've done the job just as well, but CS added some geek cred to your workspace.
Re:Computer Shopper by MyLongNickName · 2010-12-23 07:37 · Score: 1

I used to wank to it.

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Re:Computer Shopper by Tetsujin · 2010-12-23 07:58 · Score: 1

I thought the Computer Shopper was the most beloved computer magazine of all time.
I only read it for the ads, I swear!

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Re:Computer Shopper by NetServices · 2010-12-23 09:50 · Score: 1

Thats what I did too. I know of 'computer' companies that treated it as their monthly catalog.
Re:Computer Shopper by NetServices · 2010-12-23 09:53 · Score: 1

Very true. But how else would you get your list of National bulletin boards?

Meh. by eyegor · 2010-12-23 07:08 · Score: 2

I subscribed to Byte "back in the day" and was disgusted with its slide into irrelevance. More of the same will only further sully any respect I had for what it was in its heyday.

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Re:Meh. by fishbowl · 2010-12-23 08:25 · Score: 1

>I subscribed to Byte "back in the day" and was disgusted with its slide into irrelevance.
Byte had some responsibility for its own fate. It insisted on remaining "the small systems journal" while largely neglecting the whole personal computing thing that was going on. I noticed this around 78-79. "Small" systems tended to be things outside the world where we hobbyists lived, with our 8080/S-100 systems, TRS-80s, Apple II's, and OSIs.

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In short, another magazine is using the name by a+Flatbed+Darkly · 2010-12-23 07:08 · Score: 2

It's certainly nice to see the brand getting some use - too iconic a brand to let it go to waste - but this appears to be revival of the name and no more. Reading TFA, I can find only tenuous similarity between this and the original magazine; different focus, different target audience, by the chronological gap between this and the original, probably completely different staff - one might as well change "BYTE Is Coming Back" to "Another Magazine is Using the Name BYTE". As an aside, I wonder how much they're going to have to pay for a domain like byte.com.

Re:In short, another magazine is using the name by Arthur+Grumbine · 2010-12-23 08:56 · Score: 2

It's certainly nice to see the brand getting some use - too iconic a brand to let it go to waste
George Lucas, is that you?!

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"Reviving" Brands by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:09 · Score: 4, Interesting

There is a whole industry dedicated to trading on familiar names to sell new (and completely unrelated) ventures. Why waste years building credibility when you can buy it?

IOW, if its not the same BYTE, its not the same BYTE. Does anyone really care about the "brand" so much that they are excited to see it back in use regardless of what that use is?

Re:"Reviving" Brands by RobertB-DC · 2010-12-23 07:14 · Score: 2

There is a whole industry dedicated to trading on familiar names to sell new (and completely unrelated) ventures. Why waste years building credibility when you can buy it?
IOW, if its not the same BYTE, its not the same BYTE. Does anyone really care about the "brand" so much that they are excited to see it back in use regardless of what that use is?
Completely agree. BYTE was a pioneer, something unique, a computer magazine back when computers were an oddity, not ubiquitous.
BYTE had its time. Like all of us, it lived and then died. The arrival of some gadget-review "Zombie BYTE" should be an occasion for sorrow, not celebration.

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Byte is gone, the world has changed. by Massacrifice · 2010-12-23 07:10 · Score: 5, Informative

In other words, somebody bought the domain name to byte.com and is now trying to drum up interest in a new website with content unrelated to the original magazine on the assertion that they have the same name. Fail.

I'm not missing Jerry Pournelle either, but the deep background articles that were THE killer feature of the dead tree publication now live on sites like acmqueue, arstechnica and others.

The king is dead, long live the king; shame on those pretending to take its throne by taking its name.

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Re:Byte is gone, the world has changed. by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 18:25 · Score: 0

Jerry Pournelle is still writing the column, online at jerrypournelle.com.

Jerry Pournelle by cje · 2010-12-23 07:11 · Score: 5, Funny

No reference to Jerry Pournelle is complete without this classic from rec.humor.funny (originally posted on BIX by Edmund X. DeJesus):

Usees Column by
Gerry Pourwelle

When we finally got home from the monthly Rambling Writers Conference (this time in Djemaa-el-Fna), we found Fractal Manor's main hall shoulder deep in brand-new state-of-the-art totally free computer hardware and software for me to check out. Drat. I'll never get around to most of it, of course, and probably will end up dumpstering 90% or more. What I really need to properly handle all of the wonderful things companies send me absolutely free to review and enjoy with no obligation whatsoever on my part, is a trash compactor.

I thought I'd start by reconfiguring my main computer, the Hyena 986SXDXMCMXCIV. Right now the sectors on the hard disk run clockwise, but I heard a rumor that you can squeeze 0.2% more throughput by running them counterclockwise. It's worth the effort. Recommended.

I slid the shrink-wrap off version 7.126 of DiskMember Gold (I know, you thought I'd never upgrade from version 4.79, especially after all my bad-mouthing of versions 5.33 and 6.02, but what can I say? Only a Corinthian drinks kevis in a Veronese cantola.) and fired it up. No joy. I reread the documentation to no avail, then scanned the whole manual in, OCRed it, spell- checked the file and uploaded it to BIX with a question mark appended.

While I waited for a response, I tried the software out on the TriskaDeck 1313. This is the machine Bill Gibson uses when we collaborate. It loaded fine and ran fine, but it seems to have automatically moved every hard disk sector to a random location and erased all the File Allocation Tables. Luckily I had backed up the entire hard disk to a CD-ROM with the new BitByter 7000 CD-ROM Mastering Deck (only $40,000 and worth every penny. Recommended.) so in only 6 more hours I was back where I started.

While the disk was humming, I checked BIX with the Niebelungen Valkyrie we keep in a corner for when Sandy Solzhenitsyn is here writing. No answers yet.

On the chance that he might have some insight, I buzzed Bill Gates. He mumbled something about it probably being a hardware problem before excusing himself. That seemed plausible.

I called Jan Toady, president of Hyena, who indicated that a helicopter of ground-assault technical assistants was hovering near Fractal Manor 24 hours a day and that all I had to do was give the word and they'd parachute in. (Based on my own experience, I think Hyena offers the best service in the business, and not just because I mention their products every month in my column which millions of avid computer buyers read either. I bet you'd get the same service I do. Recommended.) I chuckled and said I'd try to puzzle it out a little more myself. He said okay and then talked me into accepting a free laptop with holographic display and telepathic mouse. A nice guy.

I also got Mike Spindler, Lou Gerstner and Ross Perot on a conference call, but except for a few offers on tractor trailers full of new equipment they couldn't help me.

My wife Svetlana (whose reading program can teach anyone with a $3000 computer how to read, and which is now available for PC-compatibles, Apples, Macintoshes and the Cray XMP for only $49.95 plus shipping and sales tax where applicable, have your MasterCard or VISA card ready and call 1-800-555-1212, operators standing by 24 hours a day) stuck her head in to say Hi.

That gave me the idea to try calling my sons for help. Number one son Bud is now Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but when I called him he was busy in the War Room with the Secretary of Defense and some darn nerve gas missile crisis. It's always something with those civilians. Second son Robbie was in the middle of performing emergency brain surgery on the President, but promised to get back to me when he had a breather. Chip was arguing a landmark civil rights case before the Supreme Court when he answered my beeper message, but he seemed to thi

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Re:Jerry Pournelle by eyegor · 2010-12-23 07:13 · Score: 1

Yeah, that's pretty much the reason I gave up reading pournelle's column. :)

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Re:Jerry Pournelle by QuantumBeep · 2010-12-23 07:23 · Score: 4, Insightful

A column laced with nostalgia and in-jokes, refreshing to read and great for the ego (since most people won't get the in-jokes anymore, and if I'm missing any of the in-jokes, I don't know about it).
Recommended.
Re:Jerry Pournelle by cje · 2010-12-23 07:26 · Score: 4, Interesting

Speaking of ego and nostalgia, I was also reminded of the story about how Jerry Pournelle got kicked off of the ARPAnet.

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Re:Jerry Pournelle by operagost · 2010-12-23 07:28 · Score: 1

I once read an post on USENET (probably somewhere in comp.os.os2.*) in which the claim was made that Pournelle couldn't find his own ass with a map and a flashlight. I would concur, but feel that perhaps if he had access to modern GPS technology he could have found it (with the additional help of a few Boy Scouts that had both the Computers and Orienteering merit badges).

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Re:Jerry Pournelle by QuantumBeep · 2010-12-23 08:00 · Score: 1

Wow. Just wow. So much meaning and historic perspective in one little thread. I could write a paper.
Re:Jerry Pournelle by RobertB-DC · 2010-12-23 09:21 · Score: 1

That's... awesome. You don't have to know the players to recognize a good old-fashioned troll-and-flame war, 1980s style. Boil it down, and you've got a typical bash.org conversation. I'll add that to the stories I tell my kids about how things haven't *really* changed since character-based-display days.
The other one is how I was doing tech support via direct modem dialup to someone's PC in Helsinki, using "Carbon Copy"... while fixing the DOS problems, the (mostly non-technical) lady on the other end was flirting mightily, 20 years before online chat became part of society.

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Re:Jerry Pournelle by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 09:47 · Score: 0

Speaking of ego and nostalgia, I was also reminded of the story about how Jerry Pournelle got kicked off of the ARPAnet.
Wow.
I'd love to get these guys back into a room today, 25 years later, over a few beers and hear how things turned out after too many people found out about the non-blow-em-up uses of DARPA's network. (The other side of the debate raises a serious issue, too - how much different would our world have turned out, had the Eternal September started in 1985, instead of the 90s?)
Re:Jerry Pournelle by Traf-O-Data-Hater · 2010-12-23 13:00 · Score: 1

Oh how this is sooooo close to the mark, wish I had mod points. Like others I gave up reading JP's column. Well that's not quite true, I scanned it just to see who he would be name-dropping this month.
Steve Ciarcia's column, on the other hand... that guy was amazing. Not that I ever built any of his circuits, but he certainly added that technical grunt to the magazine.
Re:Jerry Pournelle by dpbsmith · 2010-12-23 13:45 · Score: 1

LOL! But it has an obvious transcription error. "PC-compatibles?" No, to Pournelle they were always "PCompatibles." He was one of those people who loved merging coincident final and initial letters, TraveLodge style.

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Re:Jerry Pournelle by falconwolf · 2010-12-23 14:53 · Score: 1

Speaking of ego and nostalgia, I was also reminded of the story about how Jerry Pournelle got kicked off of the ARPAnet
Reading that page I didn't recall Jerry being that way. Then I looked at the dates, in the mid '80s. "Ooh, that's why". I didn't read him much in the '80s, only in the mid to late '70s.
Falcon

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Re:Jerry Pournelle by hawk · 2010-12-23 19:00 · Score: 1

>I didn't read him much in the '80s, only in the mid to late '70s.
He wrote his best SF in the '70s. I don't think he had a peer for the dystopian writing he did back then . . .
hawk
Re:Jerry Pournelle by hawk · 2010-12-23 19:03 · Score: 1

ack.
And his introductions to the short stories in the anthologies he edited (There Will Be War, The Stars at War) were more compelling than the well chosen stories . . .
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Re:Jerry Pournelle by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-24 11:38 · Score: 0

The ONLY reason I read Byte was for Jerry Pournelle's column.
Re:Jerry Pournelle by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-24 20:44 · Score: 0

Jerry Pournelle never meant shit to me. Straight up racist, the sucker was simple and plain!
Mutha Fuck him and Steve Jobs!
Re:Jerry Pournelle by falconwolf · 2010-12-25 12:48 · Score: 1

He wrote his best SF in the '70s.
All I read back then was his "Chaos Manor" in "Byte". Years later, late '80s or early '90s, I read "Lucifer's Hammer" I think that he co-wrote with is it Larry Nivens?
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Re:Jerry Pournelle by hawk · 2010-12-26 17:31 · Score: 1

Yes. The stuff he co-authored with Niven wawas actually better than either of their individual works. The general tone/theme was far more Pournelle than Niven, but you could often tell who wrote which section.

Consumer Products in a Business Environment by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:12 · Score: 0

So, its not BYTE.

This is kind of like the company that bought up all of the trademark rights to Commodore, and tried to use it to sell a cheap, half-assed C2D PC, and hoped the trademark recognition would get them some suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H customers.

Byte vs other magazines by Jay+Tarbox · 2010-12-23 07:14 · Score: 1

I was unhappy when Byte died. I was left with only PC World and PC Magazine both of which suck. I have a new love in CPU magazine though.

Yet another magazine blog? by 0xdeadbeef · 2010-12-23 07:14 · Score: 3, Funny

> it won't feature... epic Jerry Pournelle columns

Well, it has that going for it.

It ain't Byte... by toolz · 2010-12-23 07:15 · Score: 1

...unless it has Jerry Pournelle, Steve Ciarcia and others in it. And yes, Tinney artwork on it. Get with the program if you want my subscription dollars. Or my eyeballs.

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Re:It ain't Byte... by Gordonjcp · 2010-12-23 09:05 · Score: 1

I would have modded this up if mods weren't anonymous. Yes, Jerry Pournelle and Steve Ciarcia, and I didn't know who did the artwork but now I do.
Get it back to a hobbyist computing magazine like it was in the 70s and 80s and I'll buy several subscriptions - one for me and one for each of the volunteer-run techy groups I'm involved in.
Re:It ain't Byte... by falconwolf · 2010-12-23 15:03 · Score: 1

...unless it has Jerry Pournelle, Steve Ciarcia and others in it.
Until I started reading this thread I felt the same, I loved "Chaos Manor" and "Circuit Cellar". However after reading this thread I'm not sure about Jerry Pournelle anymore. If I want to read Steve Ciarcia, I can read his own magazine Circuit Cellar, and I do occasionally. I'll go ahead and check out the new print edition of "Byte" but I'll wait a few months before I ever subscribe to it.
Falcon

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What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:15 · Score: 1

I'm glad to see the legendary brand back in use rather than sitting in limbo

Why? If it's not going to be anything like what BYTE magazine was, then it's just a name - what's so special about that? The reason BYTE was great wasn't because it was called BYTE, it was because of the content and style it had - exactly what the new BYTE says it isn't going to have. Pointless, pointless, pointless.

Hoping for the best by bheckel · 2010-12-23 07:15 · Score: 1

Great news. Please let it be useful like Hacker Monthly and not just brand necrophilia...

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Re:Hoping for the best by a+Flatbed+Darkly · 2010-12-23 07:18 · Score: 1

brand necrophilia
Shouldn't that be brand necromancy? Unless you're referring to the joyous tone of the article, in which case, yes, brand necrophilia would be the correct word.

"Profesional"? by caius112 · 2010-12-23 07:16 · Score: 3, Insightful

It says "Profesional" in the title of the byte.com front page. I'm not optimistic.

Re:"Profesional"? by falconwolf · 2010-12-23 15:11 · Score: 1

It says "Profesional" in the title of the byte.com front page. I'm not optimistic.
Because that's the audience it's aimed at apparently. The article UBM TechWeb Re-Launching Popular Byte.com says this:
"IT is faced with new, pervasive user expectations – that all technology should work like the technology end users have at home, and that they can actually bring that technology into the work place," said InformationWeek editorial director Fritz Nelson. "This includes smart phones, tablets, social networks, and a host of gadgets and productivity software. IT needs to both manage and exploit the business value of these technologies."
Instead of bringing office tech into the home, they're looking at bring home tech into the office.
Falcon

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Re:"Profesional"? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 16:54 · Score: 0

"The Profesionals Guide..." - that's a twofer.
Re:"Profesional"? by 2muchcoffeeman · 2010-12-23 18:46 · Score: 1

You may already be aware that the correct spelling is "professional" ... instead of what they put up there. And they seem to have lost their apostrophe.

Much like Caius, I'm not optimistic.

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Re:"Profesional"? by falconwolf · 2010-12-25 12:38 · Score: 1

You may already be aware that the correct spelling is "professional" ... instead of what they put up there. And they seem to have lost their apostrophe.
I missed it too, but the article I linked to has the right spelling and uses an apostrophe correctly.
Prevent Windows piracy. Use Linux instead.
I gave up on Microsoft, I use Macs and OSX as well as Linux though. I'm getting ready to install Lucid Lynx on my MacBook Pro. Then I want to upgrade my Linux PC and set it up as a server.
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Business managers... by QuantumBeep · 2010-12-23 07:16 · Score: 4, Insightful

it's focused on the use of consumer tech products in a business environment

Business managers should be expelled from the industry and blackballed for decisions like this.

There are hundreds - fucking hundreds of magazines that do this already. When some mossy-backed MBA decides to revive an old brand for a new product that nobody is going to buy, there should be a Guild of Historians who can notify the shareholders that the manager needs to be fired and sued.

Incompetent business decisions are bad enough; bad decisions that have been shown again and again to be bad are criminally negligent.

with pages and pages of code, I hope. by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:21 · Score: 0

Will it have pages of code that I can type in and execute? I can't wait to do that again.

Glad really? by DarkOx · 2010-12-23 07:21 · Score: 1

I'm glad to see the legendary brand back in use rather than sitting in limbo."

You are happy to see someone attempt to get attention by confusing consumers about a product by conflating it with a past one through reuse of the name? I mean I guess if the original Byte people were able to make some money selling the name to this new organization I am happy for them. I guess I am not so happy about them trying to sucker people. If they were trying to create a magazine with similar content and focus to old Byte and using the name for that I'd be happy.

Its kinda like I don't get all that excited when someone slaps Amiga on something that has nothing at all to do with C= and is in no way even reminiscent.

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Byte In Name Only... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:29 · Score: 1

This sounds like yet another gadget review site... Byte was great because it was a deep diving into the story and science of technology. It was about core technology: hardware, software, architechture, systems, etc... And it assumed the reader was smart and had strong technical knowlege. That's what made it so great, it was technology pron. It wasn't about gadgets, fads, and all that stuff that only a fanboy would care about.

"it's focused on the use of consumer tech products in a business environment"... That doesn't sound like the Byte I know and love.

Zombie Brands by MyLongNickName · 2010-12-23 07:33 · Score: 3, Insightful

There is a marketing term for this - Zombie Brand. Basically a name has a certain recognition with people and companies want to capitalize on this. Rather than building their own brand equity, a new company wants to borrow this recognition from its target market.

Memorex is an example of this. They were bought and disbanded in the 80's only to later become an Imation brand in name only. Who (over the age of 30) doesn't remember the catch phrase "is it live? or is it Memorex". Imation wanted to tap into this to increase their profitability.

Heck, I could argue that Star Trek: TNG et all are guilty of this as well.

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Re:Zombie Brands by poptones · 2010-12-23 13:15 · Score: 1

So you're saying that someone bought a cheapass craptastic brand so they could imitate it?
Kinda like Cadillac buying Kia to trade on their clout, huh?
Re:Zombie Brands by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 13:41 · Score: 0

Not TNG. That could have stood on its own.
Thereafter, DS9 was Paramount's answer to Babylon 5.
Voyager was even worse, and then, there was Enterprise.
Re:Zombie Brands by adolf · 2010-12-23 14:18 · Score: 1

While I think that you are technically correct, and I thank for for introducing me to the term "Zombie Brand" (which is a concept that I had been recognizing for many years, but about which I had not had any success in succinctly surmising in any meaningful sense).
I don't know that Memorex is the best example (post-Ford Jaguar seems like a much more likely candidate), but at least now I know how to describe the phenomenon.

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BYTE was good when it "The Small Systems Journal" by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:33 · Score: 0

BYTE was great when it was "The Small Systems Journal", however once it became just another PC magazine it was no longer unique or interesting.

obl. Simpsons by Junior+J.+Junior+III · 2010-12-23 07:34 · Score: 1

For some reason, all I could think of as I read the summary was the following Simpsons quote:

Milhouse: Bart! Alf is back! In pog form!

While the old Byte is worth remembering, is this new website going to be anything like it? To me, Ars Technica is the Byte of today.

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WHY????? by rapturizer · 2010-12-23 07:38 · Score: 1

If they aren't bringing back a retro style BYTE Magazine (a hardware persons monthly reference), why bother. Call it something else. If they brought a BYTE like publication back that was an electronic publication formatted for e-readers and tablets, then I would be excited.

Nice to see it revived, but... by bfwebster · 2010-12-23 07:39 · Score: 5, Interesting

I wrote for BYTE back in the mid-1980s. Nowadays, if I mention that to most people, they look at me curiously -- probably get the same reaction if I told them I had published articles in Colliers.

And, no, any current incarnation won't be the same as back then, but the personal computing industry has changed massively since then; it's been through at least two crashes (1988-90 and, of course, 2000-2004), and the technology is on a whole different level now -- both the hardware and the system software is less accessible than it was back then. The real barrier, though, is the advertisers. BYTE in the mid-80s sometimes got up to 600 pages per issue total size, because there were so many advertisers willing to chase after its readers. (Cf. the 1988-90 tech crash.) Trying to create an updated version of that BYTE might be possible, but I'm not sure who would advertise in it. ..bruce..

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Re:Nice to see it revived, but... by paesano · 2010-12-23 08:20 · Score: 2

Ha! I remember the column "According to Webster" or something like that. I also remember the class I took on Computers and Society. I still have fond memories of the book "Hackers." Those were the days...
Re:Nice to see it revived, but... by lurker412 · 2010-12-23 09:50 · Score: 1

Yes, I remember reading you in the 80s. A new incarnation of Byte cannot be the same. We aren't the same either. The ads in the 80s were a lot more interesting than many feature articles today. So it goes.
Re:Nice to see it revived, but... by hawk · 2010-12-23 19:06 · Score: 1

>but the personal computing industry has changed massively since then;
More people will probably read this thread than owned a computer (or read Byte) in Byte's heyday . . .
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You forgot something... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:40 · Score: 0

You forgot something in your post:
</advert>

Making a niche magazine mainstream by Animats · 2010-12-23 07:40 · Score: 1

"Details" magazine went through this twice. The original Details magazine, in the 1980s, was targeted to the hip New York City club crowd. The typical Details reader had probably met Madonna before she was famous, while dancing at Danceteria or Area. The people mentioned in Details read Details to see what their friends were doing. Ads were for little boutiques in SoHo.

Today's "Details" is like GQ or Esquire, with a heavy emphasis on shopping.

Byte is doing much the same thing.

Re:Making a niche magazine mainstream by yurtinus · 2010-12-24 06:58 · Score: 1

Who are you and what are you doing on Slashdot?

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iBYTE & itouch ipads by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:41 · Score: 0

iBYTE & itouch ipads only

Just another product review blog by SnarfQuest · 2010-12-23 07:41 · Score: 2

The original Byte was about hardware/software computer development. At that time, it was a useful introduction to interesting technologies, and remained so for many years. At some point, it switched to being just another product review magazine, which was not what the original audience was interested in. Since there were dozens of these already being published, it just faded into the background as just another generic joystick review magazine, as happened to Creative Computing some years earlier. There was nothing innovative or unique about it to attract anyone to it.

Sounds like they are trying to revive a dull, boring, copycat magazine, and are hoping that using an old name will attract enough curious readers long enough to reap some advertising dollars.

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My favorite article. by B5_geek · 2010-12-23 07:44 · Score: 1

My favorite how-to was the article that described changing io.sys & command.com so that it would load altcfg.sys instead of config.sys (thus making virus that altered config.sys/autoexec.bat useless).

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Re:My favorite article. by RadiCalMan · 2010-12-23 08:34 · Score: 1

I used to love Steve Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar in BYTE magazine. He used to write about all of these hardware/software projects to control your house or other gadgets you could make for yourself. The funniest column however, was how he accidently locked himself out of his house with his homebuilt alarm system activated and a souffle in the oven. You can see a version of the story by searching for "Computer On Guard".

Christmas 1975 BYTE Cover by theodp · 2010-12-23 07:51 · Score: 4, Informative

Christmas 1975 BYTE Cover - Computers: The Ultimate Toys. Digibarn has more BYTE covers from the '70s and '80s. Outstanding!

Please do not call it a magazine by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 07:52 · Score: 0

Magazines are printed. End of story.

I remember when my original subscription to Byte was cancelled back in the late '90s. The latest semi-decent magazine Dr. Dobbs also went away. Call me old-fashioned (I'm 37), but I still love to read print.

whooptie-fucking-doo by jollyreaper · 2010-12-23 07:59 · Score: 4, Insightful

About the same as Atari making a comeback, if by comeback you mean it's a meaningless label slapped onto random games by Ubisoft.

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RCA HP Zenith, Magnavox, by goombah99 · 2010-12-23 08:01 · Score: 4, Insightful

CRC RCA HP Zenith, Magnavox. Once great companies built on top of legendary innovations and engineer. Now hollow shells with only their names to sell products-- usually products distant from their original expertise.

(Anyone even realize that CRC means chemical rubber company-- yet the main product is integral tables)

et TU Byte.

Will they have program listing in Basic, or teach me handshaking on a RS232 port. I suspect not. it's just a gadget review mag.

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Re:RCA HP Zenith, Magnavox, by commodore64_love · 2010-12-23 08:10 · Score: 1

Maybe we should start our own tech magazine. I'd be interested in handshaking, not on RS232, but on a USB bus or across PCI-express. (shrug) I guess that's what Ars Technica is for.
Oh and can you imagine typing in a program for a modern computer? It took me 3 days to type RUNscript into my 8 bit Commodore (which was unsatisfactory and quickly replaced with the Mac-like GEOS). And 8-9 days to type-in a simple file manager for the 32-bit Amiga. I imagine with today's bloated word-processing software it would take 3 months.

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Re:RCA HP Zenith, Magnavox, by camperslo · 2010-12-23 09:29 · Score: 1

You're right about R.C.A., it's a name to license. But the high-tech creative part of H.P. lives on as Agilent, with the H.P. name leaving with the H.P. (computer) / Compaq merging.
Of older companies that did survive, the focus has often changed. Most consumers don't recall Motorola as being the company to first make car radios, or the first under $100 television set. Thaty were later huge in semiconductors, but that too changed moving off to become Freescale.
Time will tell if Byte offers anything at all for the hobbyist that wants to learn or share ideas.
It seems more likely that there won't be much difference between the ads and the articles.
The /. crowd might get more out of something like http://www.nutsvolts.com/
Re:RCA HP Zenith, Magnavox, by NikeHerc · 2010-12-23 09:47 · Score: 1

In their early days Byte and Kilobaud had lots of interesting, technical content. I became a 6502 fan because of these mags.
Sadly, Byte ditched its technical content and devolved into nothing but reviews. Its death caused no sadness. I predict that Real Soon Now the new Byte will follow the old Byte into oblivion.
R.I.P., old Byte.

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Re:RCA HP Zenith, Magnavox, by hawk · 2010-12-23 18:48 · Score: 1

>(Anyone even realize that CRC means chemical rubber company-- yet the main product is integral tables)
Of course.
But how few of those who do recognize that know that many (most?) of those tables came from the WPA. While others built bridges and libraries, unemployed academics cranked out tables . . .
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Re:RCA HP Zenith, Magnavox, by Transaction7 · 2011-01-01 17:08 · Score: 1

Chemical Rubber Company, CRC, now that takes me way back to buying the CRC tables book when starting four years of elective math in junior high and high school about 1953. Also my older brother's first good K & E slide rule. I got to college and discovered, to my horror, that higher math was not my thing, Computer literacy was being taken down to a big old-fashioned double-glass clean computer room, with tubes, wires, and punch cards, and being told "That's a computer. It thinks in ones and zeroes. DON'T GO IN THERE!" One of my classmates went on to MIT, as I had hoped to do, and figured in the use of computers to transform his chosen industry. I moved into law. Did some work regarding introduction ofr early word processors in law office but didn't even get a computer, including the big decision whether to splurge on the large 40 MB hard drive, and start trying to learn what I could about it until the late eighties. I remember reading BYTE. Some I could understand, some I never did. With the aid of some friends, I got to the point where I could do a lot of things in DOS using simple instructions, batch files, etc. Forced to "migrate" as they called it, to Windows 95, which necessitated a major upgrade, some time after my secretary had made that change as some essential programs no longer came in DOS, I have never yet found a book I can read, given my uncorrectable vision limitation and the smaller and smaller, and compressed, type used, or anywhere, including the computer science department at the state university here, which triggered the book type size etc. problem, via which I have been able to learn to do in any language in Windows some of the things I could do in DOS 5.0, WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS, etc.. Some oft he new and improved legal programs to keep up with amendments in the Bankruptcy Code, etc., were awful both from a legal and word processing, and a computing, standpoint. I managed to make the transition from WP 5.1 to Word but you have to dig for keyboard macros, operators, etc. and Word insists I want to do things nobody would be likely to do. I wish somebody would come up with a good on-line site that assumes you just got here from the dark side of the moon and were not a math person but had a little sense and were picking up bits and pieces, and that the first thing you might need to do would be to create some data lists, and then use those in designing a series of documents and some programs based upon forms, rules of court that sometimes measure from different points, etc. There really ought to be ways for someone without the math needed for an advanced degree in computer science or programming to create programs that would do basic things, some of which I know are needed in thousands of small ot medium sized legal and other offices, that either are wildly beyond their price range, would take a full-time year's work to learn, or both, or just don't do right, i.e. the way we rather than math majors do things. Everybody else I know over the age of eight knows how to hack into things I can't get into, too. One guy in our jail somehow managed to get advanced news, he said on line, of a 41 defendant child porn rid that the local authorities were not even supposed to know about, I thought he was bluffing until the story broke with that number, and the FBI won't tell me anything about it, including why and how the open public records of those 41 arrests somehow disappeared after the first news stories. I'm not interested in most felonies but need to be abel to track down stories that don't show up in a typical Google search, and protect myself from bad hackers etc. Maybe that's a niche this new start-up using the old BYTE name could fill. Hope it doesn't turn out likie some other good old magazines that either never caught on again or the new iteration was filled with a bunch of junk.

So... Articles or Ads? by fahrbot-bot · 2010-12-23 08:02 · Score: 1

...they finally got enough material for some articles, or is it going to be 800 pages of ads again?

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Other updates for the new century by Tetsujin · 2010-12-23 08:02 · Score: 2

Because of the vast changes in computers' capabilities since BYTE magazine ended its run, they've decided to change the name to "BYTE presents: Gibioctet"

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is this necessary? by deviator · 2010-12-23 08:11 · Score: 1

"focused on the use of consumer tech products in a business environment"

do we really need more of this? and will they be performing in-depth analysis of how much lost time & productivity comes with misappropriating consumer tech in a workplace?

Byte readers don't read Byte by crovira · 2010-12-23 08:13 · Score: 2

While I greatly enjoyed the August issues of the magazine (they were all about languages) and I still have the 1981 August issue on Smalltalk, dead trees are so last millennium.

We have much richer offerings available over the internet.

I predict a six month run before another bankruptcy.

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Who cares by nurb432 · 2010-12-23 08:25 · Score: 1

No really, who really cares about 'yet another consumer magazine' that is full of either pure ads, or fake reviews or 'placement' type of advertisements? Don't we have enough of those already?

I still remember when Byte was a great technical magazine and was something to look forward to getting in the mail box. I also remember its slow painful decent into "consumer electronics", which was really disappointing for engineering types like myself. It would be nice to see a return to the old ways, but even then, i think the 'magic' is long gone in the industry as a whole.

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Articles as Ads and Ads as Articles by crovira · 2010-12-23 08:34 · Score: 1

This is just wrong.

Its going to be a product review rag and avoid computers except as object of idolatry.

Nobody needs this magazine and trees are going to die unnecessarily.

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Not My Favorite by damn_registrars · 2010-12-23 08:35 · Score: 2

BYTE? No, not my favorite. I reached every month for Computer Shopper. Sure, it was 95% (or more) ads, but that was the point. I don't remember a single article I even read in it - really the articles in there were about as memorable as the ones in Playboy - but I found plenty of good deals on RAM and hard drives through that magazine.

And as an added bonus, a single year's worth of Computer Shopper was a stack tall enough to make an end table...

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What's Next? by Crash+McBang · 2010-12-23 08:44 · Score: 1

Micro Cornucopia on the iPad? Let sleeping dogs lie...

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I learned more from BYTE than I did by suburbanmediocrity · 2010-12-23 08:47 · Score: 1

getting my EE in college. Thanks Steve!

"The Best of BYTE" by Y-Crate · 2010-12-23 08:52 · Score: 1

I came across this book around 1993 / 1994. It was a thing of beauty - pretty much the entire history of personal computing up until that point. It didn't just contain flashy articles sure to bring in the mass market readers, but pieces that provided an amazing amount of perspective on the progression of hardware and software. I seem to recall stories on exciting new 20MB hard drives, (failed) networking standards, processor development, along with the usual "Launch of the Mac", "Launch of the IBM PC" and previews of the sure-to-be-amazing PCjr. My only gripe was that the collection of old computer ads were pretty much illegible photocopies.

Coincidence? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 09:15 · Score: 0

I always suspected it was more than coincidental that Byte's last-ever printer cover story was "Why can't we make reliable computers?" or some such.

Mind you, I've not missed Jerry Pournelle one bit.

More great ideas by imaque · 2010-12-23 09:27 · Score: 1

Maybe they should bring back COMPUTE magazine, too. And the magazine could do really cool things like discuss computers. That's a great idea for the internet, no?

Jerry Pournelle by Fear+the+Clam · 2010-12-23 09:44 · Score: 1

When I first rad this guy's columns I never knew he was a real writer--I thought his was a comedy bit, sort of like Andy Rooney, where some crazy old guy who kinds knows stuff explains in great and tedious detail how he tried to get something to work and every step he took to do it. Kind of like if the crazy person on the bus who sit next to you yammered on about home networking and defunct printer drivers instead of the goblins who keep stealing his liquor and getting him fired.

Wait! by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 10:07 · Score: 0

Somebody thinks people still read?

Next, they'll assume people are literate.

And by geekoid · 2010-12-23 11:00 · Score: 1

byte.com will be compared unfavorably to byte.

Seriously without that art, and Jerry, and changing it's focus. It is NOT the same magazine.

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Holy Nostalgia! by sgage · 2010-12-23 11:12 · Score: 1

I avidly read Byte back in the day. There was actually a period in the early 80's when it was part of my job! That and Creative Computing, InfoWorld, Datamation, and a few others.

But why bring it back now? It was what it was, yes, with Tinney's artwork, and Circuit Cellar, and Pournelle (what a blowhard!).

I really looked forward to each new issue back then, but please, let it R.I.P.

Favorite Stop Bits by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 11:20 · Score: 0

I just wish I could find the stop bit that said something like ' the marketing guy painted a rabbit gray and called it a desktop elephant.'

Byte... what a ride. by Slartibartfast · 2010-12-23 11:34 · Score: 1

I loved Byte -- I truly did. Indeed, it was part of the reason that I moved to the publishing powerhouse of Peterborough, NH. Yeah, the town is one of those don't-blink-or-you'll-miss-it towns, but it housed IDG's suite (A+, AmigaWorld, and others), 73 Magazine (the Ham/CB radio rag), several vertical market magazines (one of which, Sensors Magazine, still exists, and is edited by my ex-GF), and, yes, Byte.

I used to hang out with one of the founders, Carl Helmers. Nice enough guy, but a classic Asperger's person: don't even start a conversation if you have any plans, ever. He'll talk your ear off, and there's essentially never a graceful way to put in the words, "Oh, my! Midnight! Look at that!"

The magazine, itself, was such a suite of talent. Hardware columns, first peeks, and a boatload of knowledge. About the only thing I *didn't* like was Pournelle's column; while I even sometimes agreed, he was so pretentious and paternalistic that it drove me bonkers. Made me wonder how it was that he could co-create SF I actually enjoyed. (Though I never did enjoy his solo stuff.)

When Byte shut its doors, there was a lot of shock and disappointment. It had been doing well; there was talk that it was competing with some of McGraw-Hill's other holdings, and that they might have chosen to consolidate. Whatever the reason, I don't think its storied past holds much of a future as Yet Another Consumer Electronics Magazine.

But golly, I'd love to be wrong.

Re:Steve Ciarcia by kb1cvh · 2010-12-23 12:54 · Score: 1

The reminder of Byte's good parts - Jerry Pournelle also made me remember Steve Ciarcia.
Steve and Jerry are still around.
Steve's URL is http://www.circuitcellar.com/
Jerry's URL is http://www.jerrypournelle.com/

I took the time to subscribe to circuit cellar and to Jerry's site. They are good writers and deserve our support.

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Zombie Life by poptones · 2010-12-23 12:58 · Score: 2

That's why MAKE magazine still goes on in dead tree format? And elektor?

Steve Ciarcia's site is still going now almost two decades post-BYTE, and they still publish a dead tree issue.

BYTE had no mojo left long before BYTE quit publishing, all this sounds like is another cheap exploitation of another once beloved brand name.

Re:Zombie Life by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 16:27 · Score: 0

MAKE magazine - nice production values, from content standpoint an absolutely useless POS (subscribed for one year from the first issue)...
BYTE - great from issue 1 - particularly enjoyed Pournelle, Ciarcia, and Tinney - began a descent into crud when Wayne Greene lost the mag in a bit of domestic intrigue. (subscribed from issue one for many years)...
CIRCUIT CELLAR - spawned from BYTE - from a content standpoint my most valued current subscription (subscribed from issue one to present) - although I have designed and written code in many languages I must echo Steve's "my favorite programming language is solder" - in my case 60/40, not the tin whisker producing crap - BGAs and QFNs are a PITA but I digress...
ELEKTOR - discovered via Circuit Cellar - looks good
Dr. DOBBS - a shadow of its former self
Popular Electronics - Altair was out of my price range then - any remember Carl and Jerry - honorable mention
Radio Electronics - built variant of Mark 8 - working in a MOS fab helped with memory availability - honorable mention
73 - another Wayne Greene rag - honorable mention
Folks yammering dismissively about "dead tree" issues - There is no substitute for reading magazines and books in paper form. However, proper electronic forms are my preference for archiving and searching. People dissing dead tree publishing remind me of the clueless folks who heralded the paperless office. One thing I've learned with age is that a new technology rarely displaces an existing technology. Pragmatic folks utilize the best aspects of both technologies.
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Re:Zombie Life by poptones · 2010-12-23 17:48 · Score: 1

Try to track down a copy of the Scelbi-BYTE primer. It was published in about the 3rd year of BYTE magazine and was chock full of fantastic articles. It was this book, in fact, that allowed me to FINALLY understand WTF all those "numbers meant" when it came to micros. Before that I was an all analog man, happily spending my days building stero preamps, speakers and such.
I lost track of my primer ages ago and have longed to once again peruse its pages. Took me better part of a year to track one down and when I did it cost about 4 times the original cover price of 14.95. Now it sits right here on the shelf above my monitor, one of my very few "mojos."

The old BYTE magazine, now that I miss. by falconwolf · 2010-12-23 13:13 · Score: 1

In depth articles about hardware hacking, software hacking, phreaking, schematic diagrams, source code listings, etc., it was a true nerd's dream, which was why it was the one that "employees of every other tech mag got used to being compared unfavorably with."

Same here. The two columns I looked forward to the most was Jerry Pournelle's "Chaos Manor" and Steve Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar. Luckily he started his magazine.

Falcon

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BTW I've never read Byte by falconwolf · 2010-12-23 13:34 · Score: 1

I never owned an IBM PC at the time, and from what I remember that was it's main focus

Not at all. Byte's focus was the Home Brew computer club audience. Even after IBM released the PC Byte remained focused on homebrews, hardware and software. Steve Ciarcia's column, back then it was a column not a separate magazine, was an example.

Another magazine I remember was COMPUTE's Gazette

I read it too, along with "AmigaWorld", Computer Shopper, Interface Age, and Creative Computing.

Falcon

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Yeah, and let's fly Pan Am by dpbsmith · 2010-12-23 13:38 · Score: 1

Just reviving the name means nothing. And I don't think there's a chance they will revive the spirit of BYTE.

Robert Tinney is the touchstone. BYTE went downhill the day they stopped running Tinney's lovely cover art and suddenly started putting big ad-like photos of computers on the cover.

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doing magazines by falconwolf · 2010-12-23 13:48 · Score: 1

It does make me wonder, though, what happened to actual technical computing magazines. Sure, there are a few obscure Linux and similar ones out there, but getting into the nuts and bolts of a computer was(and still is) most of the fun. I suspect that instead of seeing "setting up your own home CNC machine for $500", we'll see yet another review and ad-driven site like all of the rest.

Though it's not focused on computers, Makezine is a good maker zine for the technical crowd. The same company also prints Craftzine for the crafts aficionado.

Falcon

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Re:doing magazines by Plekto · 2010-12-23 16:43 · Score: 1

Thanks for the link. :) That site's more interesting than the last month of Slashdot and Toms Hardware combined.

Creative Computing by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 13:49 · Score: 0

is the magazine they should being back.

Creative Computing! by Kaz+Kylheku · 2010-12-23 13:56 · Score: 1

No thanks, I'm waiting for CC.

Jerry Pournelle by falconwolf · 2010-12-23 14:05 · Score: 1

Jerry Pournelle was one of the major reasons I canceled my subscription to Byte.

You are the first reader of Byte I've heard didn't like "Chaos Manor". Jerry Pournelle's column as well as Steve Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar were 2 columns that kept me reading "Byte".

Why on earth would anyone want to pay money to read Pournelle's whining about how someone didn't give him enough free stuff;

I don't recall any of that, what I recall was how his teacher wife used computers to help her teach.

Falcon

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Why? Seriously? by falconwolf · 2010-12-23 14:31 · Score: 1

If you're not going to bring back the whole point of an original magazine then why dump something on the market that's already covered by other publications>

Why? To try to make money off the old name. If for nothing more than curiosity I'll peruse the new print magazine and if I like it I'll buy it off the stand. Then after several months if I still like it I may subscribe.

Falcon

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"Hackers" book by falconwolf · 2010-12-23 15:20 · Score: 1

I love Steve Levy's book. I'll tell, not ask or suggest but tell, those who use the word "hacker" improperly to read that book to understand how real hackers are, explorers and makers.

Falcon

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Alas, no Jerry Pournelle? Meh. by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 16:19 · Score: 0

The loss of Jerry Pournelle's column is no major loss. I will never miss reading the word 'alas' every fifth sentence, nor will I miss reading the trials and tribulations of a computer 'user' struggling with new technology- because that's what it was. I will also not miss the subtle hints about the Moat Around Murcheson's Eye, or whatever his latest book is. I was gifted a couple feet (high pile) of Byte magazines and read several of them before moving on to better publications. Sorry all of you downvoters, Byte just wasn't that good.

Wanye Greene? by dbc · 2010-12-23 19:23 · Score: 1

Does anyone else remember when it was published by Wanye Greene? And the story about how his soon-to-be-ex-wife and the managing editor packed up Byte Magazine and moved it down the street one night? According to Wayne, she basically stole it and then got it in the divorce settlement, if I recall the story correctly. Of course, old Wayne himself was a piece of work, too. Someplace in my stash I have issue #1 of Byte, still with the mailing wrapper.

Re:Flynn Effect! by TaoPhoenix · 2010-12-23 21:08 · Score: 1

From Wiki...
"In 1989 (seven years after the first film), Kevin Flynn (Jeff Bridges), an innovative software engineer and the CEO of ENCOM International, tells his seven-year-old son Sam (Owen Best) about a new "digital frontier" he has created called The Grid..."

Oh ... you mean that's not the Flynn effect you mean.

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Re:yet another review and ad-driven site by TaoPhoenix · 2010-12-23 21:58 · Score: 1

It's the Teal Deer problem.

(Humor)
"You have so many words in your post. It's too hard to read.
Here is a nice informative graphic to look at."
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/torihouji/tldr.jpg
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Isn't the most famous joke here not to read the articles?

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Nice to see it revived, but...Memory lane. by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-23 23:12 · Score: 0

For a real trip down memory lane just try and see how many of the advertisers still exists. Yes I miss the good old days. Wish there was a CD-ROM available of all the old issues.

Ars Technica? Indepth? I think not. by CountBrass · 2010-12-23 23:27 · Score: 1

Whilst I regularly skim Ars technica I don't think you can really call its articles 'in depth'.

And some are just painfully 'wrong by omission'.

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Not My Favorite-PlayByte. by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-24 00:15 · Score: 0

Computer Shopper is to geeks what the old Sears catalogs were to housewives. The world in one's home.

What I don't miss... by AliasMarlowe · 2010-12-24 00:42 · Score: 1

I'll take a wait-and-see approach before praising or condemning it so soon after its rebirth. A journal has to find its place and its readership, and the new BYTE will likely morph to some extent before it settles down ("consumer tech products in a business envronment" is a bit nebulous).

What I have not missed about the old BYTE is hanging on my wall. Framed prints of Robert Tinney's excellent art, signed and numbered. I just wish I had bought a few more of them when they were available.

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new BYTE??? by master_p · 2010-12-24 01:28 · Score: 1

Damn you kids and your fancy object-oriented garbage-collected languages!!! back in the day, we had to account for every BYTE allocated!!!!

BYTE still owes me by lee+n.+field · 2010-12-24 01:44 · Score: 1

BYTE still owes me for a chunk of the last year's subscription, undelivered when they went under. Grrrrrrrr.

And, yeah, they'd pretty much become like every other boring computer magazine of the time when they did die. "A review of the top 20 dot matrix printers for business" --BO-ring!

Ass Byte by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-24 14:02 · Score: 0

"ComputorEdge Magazine was first published on May 16, 1983 as The Byte Buyer in San Diego, California. It was one of the first local free distribution magazines in the United States devoted to the microcomputer. In 1988, in a dispute with the now defunct Byte Magazine, the name was changed to ComputorEdge." wikipedia

Anyone who would confuse the little free newsprint rag supported only by local advertising with the thick, slick, high gloss, Byte Magazine is an idiot. Anyone who would sue is an ass.

I won't be buying it.

The ComputorEdge Magazine is still publishing, and is available on line.

Byte! by Anonymous Coward · 2010-12-25 07:07 · Score: 0

My shiny metal ass.

Surely the best advertising slogan ever!

Makezine by falconwolf · 2010-12-25 12:27 · Score: 1

Thanks for the link. :)

I haven't subscribed yet but when I can I plan to. Every issue is filled with maker projects, of different types. Although I haven't started any projects yet one I want to do combines different areas of interest I have, Garduino combines Gardening with an Arduino microcontroller board. Using simple sensors, such as nails stuck in dirt, to measure water and lighting and if needed the circuit activates servos to provide water or light. Why this project? Because I love electronics as well as gardening.

That site's more interesting than the last month of Slashdot and Toms Hardware combined.

I don't follow Toms Hardware but Slashdot doesn't have good how-to articles. The closest I've seen are Ask Slashdot questions.

Falcon

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